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Author Topic: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban  (Read 403892 times)

Offline wattsup

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #930 on: May 21, 2008, 06:54:06 AM »
@Loner

Please look at my post on previous page located here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg97865.html#msg97865

It touches upon some of the points you made but what I am trying to see is the step by step process. When you take the FTPU apart, there are not that many parts. So when you ask yourself how can these parts work with each other in order to produce 61 volts, could be radiant voltage only, but regardless, what happens to a pulse when it is on and as importantly, what happens to the pulse when it is off, because both ways, you will have action. Tesla would probably say that your power is also in the return. Trying to push always one way will not work, or may work but the overall energy expended will be higher and the flyback, if not used will create heat and havoc.

So there is a question of what is desirable in a toroid core. In the terminology I have seen they refer to these cores as having various levels of permeability, then they show the level of micro-henries the core can store, at least this is how I am understanding this. So having minimal winds and expecting maximum action, I would presume that a toroid having maximum of both permeability and micro-henries would be desirable to both store some of the initial pulse energy that is also transfered, plus to transfer flyback at pulse off. Once this single action is working, then it is a matter of matching the toroid to the control coil windings using the proper capacitor values.

Also, I think the so called "kick" is happening when the flyback returns to the toroid core from both ends and meets inside the core. That would be the only point of collision I can find in the FTPU since such flyback would be of higher potential and add to the source and given the control coils are pushing a movement forward, they are not really colliding. Also, since the collision is when the flyback returns to the toroid core and is automatically reflected back to the control coils as a pulse, this can create the illusion that it is the pulse that is producing the kick, but in reality, it is the collapse.

Yes this may diverge from other theories but it is OK to have several avenues to push forward, as long as the basis can hold some reasoning and offer some method of experimentation, which I will do with a new toroid plus control coils with a lamp wire triple ring.

Come to think of it, if I was to choose a new ready made center toroid, I would choose an isolating toroid transformer since both winds would be identical and the core would have to have the ability to reflect near 100%. Hmmmmmmm.

@sparks

We know SM feels the heat of the OTPU before picking it up. I don't know about one level being hot and other cold. I will look for the purple light you have talked about and let you know if I see anything or if it is from simple light reflection when he places the two lamps near the OTPU.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #931 on: May 21, 2008, 09:32:52 PM »
@EM

I don't know if you will notice this but on the FTPU rings, I think, no, I am now sure there is only two rings going all the way around. We do see three at the output wires because this is where the two rings overlap. You can also see at the front top electric tape the one of the ring wires is overlapped to take up the wire slack. I was wondering why the ring was so nice and clean on the other sides and when it came near the output side, things got so messy. lol
« Last Edit: May 21, 2008, 10:10:41 PM by wattsup »

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #932 on: May 22, 2008, 04:18:02 AM »
@Art ... that is what I was kinda thinking to ... stick the control circuit though in the centre of the torid, take apposing magnets on one on top and the bottom and slowly move them into each other (use plastic screw rod and plastic nuts) ... depending on what hemisphere you live in .... the freq's will need to be adjusted and fine tuned for each location ... magnet flux lines will re-act much quicker and more precise for some fine tuning to compensate for the area.  I would wrap the torrid around the outside with a bifler made of copper and a steel insulated wire, maybe with 4 turns or 8 ... ( I would even try an odd number like 7) then wide the torrid with 4 quadrants.  I have a fairly large coil left from my electroliser ... one might even try making a torrid using steel strapping/banding use for shipping .. this is coated with paint .. the edges though would need to make sure they are also coated spray paint it ...

Funny on the control circuits all of been on the outside of the torrid ... SM had it in the centre for a reason .. I think it is due to the infinate inward concentration of flux lines of not just magentic property's but also the energy centre .. this centre then pushes energy to the middle medium from the outer layers .. that middle is the collection point / pass through as it trys to get equalibrium back to the centre.  Hope fully that makes some sense ..

I would not try using a power source for the control ciruit from the wall plug ... maybe use some large flat batteries or those small 9volt used in cameras .. very little metal as anything in the core will disrupt the fields.  Reason for SM using 2 magnets is because the third is generate in the core .. 3 magnetic fields can never find equalibrium and will always try to fall into each others fields until it is only 2 .. you can see this for yourself by taking 3 rectangular/square magnetics and make a triangle .. you can't.


Just some thought's to try .. even if we can't exactly replicate the SM who gives a @#$ as long as we can come close or some frankenstein version.

For what it is worth you can use a Tesla flat coil and an Al round plate to get magnetic shielding .. and pulsing the coil with just a couple germanium diodes inline and a cap will cause the magnet to amplify.

EM .. try sticking your control in the centre just for the heck of it and see if anything happens.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #933 on: May 22, 2008, 05:51:54 AM »
@Loner

I will prepare a small diagram of what I am trying to do and post it soon.

I think the magnet is a continuing conundrum. The FTPU has one near the toroid. The OTPU has two but the toroid is not near the magnet at all but placed behind the circuit board. The STPU has one but I don't know any more. The LTPU has none but a simple swipe of a large hand held magnet. This will have to be cleared up soon. @JD thinks it is for show.

Right now I am looking over the specs of the toroid cores I have on hand, up to 4", big ones. LOL

Looking over the specs from these two pages;
Iron Powder Toroid Cores - http://www.oselectronics.com/ose_p89.htm
Ferrite Toroid Cores - http://www.oselectronics.com/ose_p88.htm

I notice that the specs for ferrite toroid cores is per 1000 turns in mH and for Iron Powder Cores per 100 turns in uH. So yes I am confused. I have more Iron powder cores on hand. Looking at the TPU toroid, and having already wound a similar size with 144 turns, this would be about the number of turns per side on the TPU toroid. So if you only had that many turns, would you use a ferrite or iron powder core. I am thinking Iron Powder Core.

The models I have on hand are T200-26, T225-26, T300-26 and T400-26. The 26 mix is rated between 0-1 mhz as I figured I would never be going anywhere near that high. lol

I know I may be barking up the wrong tree but thus far I have not seen any major discussions on the toroid, choice of core, turns, etc. As far as I can see there are three possibilities, ferrite, iron powder or iron rolled laminate. The last one I already tried and there is really no activity I could expect, so it leaves two choices. I'll try with T225-26. It is a tad smaller then the FTPU toroid. But given that the FTPU toroid is the same as the two in the LTPU, I figure the FTPU toroid is probably overkill anyways. The T225-26 core is rated at 950 uH at 100 turns.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #934 on: May 22, 2008, 08:58:50 AM »
IF Marco had danceing magnets why not wind coils around an Iron wire and make the mangnets dance io the wire ( leedsskialin) ........ maybe 2 wires  .......

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #935 on: May 25, 2008, 08:09:05 AM »
@JD

If you come back here, now would be a good time to find that Beta tape. I need it to finish off the winding map of the FTPU cause I have exhausted all possible avenues with the quality I have now. Don't get me wrong. What we have now is mountains better then before but to follow the windings, it is just too hard on the eyes and the brain. lol

@all

About the bailing wire, if this does in fact play a role in the devices, the question would be what type of bailing wire. We are all assuming that standard iron wire we buy form hardware stores is enough but I doubt it. Take a look at this page;

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tables/magprop.html#c2

Any metal wire could be called bailing wire as a generic nomenclature.
I am sure, there has to be something else. Regular iron bailing wire is just way to inefficient.

Hydrogen annealed iron or permalloy seem to have much better characteristics for OU devices.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #936 on: May 26, 2008, 04:24:06 PM »
Guys, gather round for a minute.
SM was in audio. I know this may sound stupid, but do I ever care. (Actually I do.) lol

The way the FTPU center toroid is dimensioned is very particular.
I have not been able to find such toroids on the market. None. Yes I have been looking all over. Those center toroids are not ferrite. From my own  tests, no ferrite with so few winds would do anything to influence such a massive toroid core. They're not laminated iron and they're not iron powder either.

The dimension issue I am talking about is more the center opening is smaller then usual toroid cores. This makes it a much thicker toroid core. Now curiously, I have seen this dimension before but not in toroids......?

I am now sure the center toroid core is a speaker magnet that he painted white enamel. This explains some edge shadows that are inconsistent with a factory made toroid core. Onto this he wound two field perturbation primaries.

We all know that a DC current sent into a coil produces a field that by itself does nothing, just like a speaker magnet left on a table will do nothing.  Move the magnet over a wire and you make power, except in this case you don't move the magnet, you perturb the magnet field. When you release it, it returns to where it was for free. Two... Two...... Two movements in one. You push it out, stop, it comes back. This moves the field over the collectors. So 3000 cycles out makes 3000 free cycles in. The return cycles are not a field collapse, it is simply another magnetic field movement which is additive.

What's even better with two primaries is you can use @allcanadians circuit to make two movements in one pulse. All you need is a Tesla short circuit. Add that to the two free returns makes four movements with one pulse. What a deal.

Now if you have a center speaker and you have an outer coil ring making like a microphone, what do you get? Feedback. This feedback is what makes the current flow in the system. I would bet top dollar that in the FTPU spool center is a speaker coil. The speaker magnet is doing two things. It permit a speaker coil to oscillate so it can make feedback with a microphone, and it provides the field that is deflected by the two primary coils.

But there's more.........

Now you choose. Which is the microphone and which is the collector, the ring or the control coil. Feedback is the best return loop. No SS components required. The junction is through the air.

One major reason SM said not to go near the tpu with a piece of metal, and he told the others to remove watches and rings, was simply because the metal would immediately stick to the magnet and give away the secret. Plus such an impact would risk ruining the coils. lol

The center toroid mounting bracket with the two terminals on a toroid with two coils does not make sense. You would need four terminals if this was an off the shelf design, but there's only two, sooooooooooo. This is simply a bracket for terminals going to a speaker coil. He put a white padding between the bracket and the toroid magnet to protect the toroid windings. The padding may also have a dielectric issue since he places the small magnet to these terminals.

The magnet has to be in the center of the collector.
A while back I had put up a video of moving litz wires located here that shows this effect. Somewhat similar to @marco's dancing magnets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXgL4Wf8zrQ

I know this sounds (no pun intended) like very simplistic gibber jabber, but the parts fit in so well.

I think I am now ready to make a FTPU build. I will need some help on the EE side.

@JD

I have a question.

Did SM have access to speaker components such as bulk speaker magnets, speaker coils, speaker coil terminals and terminal to coil wires, etc., or, did he have access to speakers from which he could have removed these?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #937 on: May 26, 2008, 04:43:52 PM »
mhhh
http://jnaudin.free.fr/spgen/barkhausen.htm

magnets are really weird things
like mac has done toroid transformer and magnets but if there was something else?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #938 on: May 26, 2008, 05:34:45 PM »
Just removed the two metal washer ends from a speaker magnet. Very easy with a hammer and an old knife..

This is how it looks. The dimension ratios are very close to the FTPU toroid.

Now for the fun to start.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #939 on: May 26, 2008, 07:38:33 PM »
@wattsup,

I guess you have seen this vid http://youtube.com/watch?v=cSEtx5C2pkQ
At 8:03 he does an experiment using speakermagnets and salt water....to create a vortex.

Wires can be wound in many ways around a speakermagnet. :)

Greetings Rene

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #940 on: May 26, 2008, 09:06:03 PM »
@All

The Feedback

Finally figured it out. The microphone is not the ring or the control coil.

Check a grab on the FTPU video at Frame 7788 with a close up. Sorry if it is not that clear.
You will see it better in real mode close up with the null transform feature in VDM.
Then compare it to a photo I just took of a microphone I had on hand.
Almost identical in form.

Also, while he is turning the TPU back over, he is extra careful not to put his fingers in the center on the microphone or else. He almost did but moved his finger at the last moment. HE KNOWS WHY.....................

Now imagine the TPU is on the VCR and working OK. The microphone is getting feedback reflection via the metal cover of the VCR. When he turns it over and says look the voltage is dropping, that's because the microphone is now pointing to open air space so it cannot get the feedback going. lol

I used to play base guitar in a rock n roll band. During many of our songs, Edgar Winter, Black Sabbath, Grand Funk Railroad, etc., the leadman, Mike, would often jump towards his Fender amp and shoot off a fantastic lead with a whole bunch of feedback. As soon as he turned back towards the crowd, no more feedback.

There is no Earth field North and South phenomenon.
It's all smoke screens. In his next TPU the microphone is now facing inwards so feedback is available in any position.

Now that I know what that bottom component is a microphone, the white capacitor is now even more surely a 9 volt battery. lol

Will have more soon.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #941 on: May 26, 2008, 09:29:12 PM »
@All

The Feedback

Finally figured it out. The microphone is not the ring or the control coil.

So, can it be true that the central "transducer" is used to squeeze the external toroid circumference? This should happen if transducer is powerful enough. (I mean central electromagnet will attract iron of external toroid thus stressing it). Now, if you "squeeze" it on the right frequency (resonant frequency of the external toroid) something fancy may happen? Now look again to the previously quoted Spheric audio system and its insane grille and wonder... You won't likely need SS indeed, a mic is good for locking into a resonance, they do not deliver power. This may create an auto-tuning system, pretty nifty.
..And, BTW, you'll need some initial movement (e.g. by waving a magnet, or knocking it with a finger) to get the system into resonance.

(I just wonder if interruptions in electromagnet work are necessary - this may be what we see on audio spectrum power plot at ~100 Hz signal - this was discussed, if so you'll also need a square wave gate signal, but this can be probably arbitrary, no need for tuning).
« Last Edit: May 26, 2008, 10:05:41 PM by aleks »

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #942 on: May 27, 2008, 05:42:39 AM »
We all know that a DC current sent into a coil produces a field that by itself does nothing

Does nothing?

It most certainly does do something.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #943 on: May 27, 2008, 05:50:48 AM »
There is no Earth field North and South phenomenon.

Bullshit.  Quit smokin that homegrown and switch to AK-47 - at least you will get your money's worth.

Add to that rotation, the fact that a magnetic field does do "something", and for a moment, realize that your armchair theory is missing something.  Now what could that be? 

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #944 on: May 27, 2008, 06:18:56 AM »
@all

OK here it is wound.

@Grumpy

You're shoe is untied. Or, did you trip over something else? Geez.