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Author Topic: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban  (Read 397332 times)

Offline mikestocks2006

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #750 on: May 11, 2008, 04:59:32 PM »
In the diagram you will notice three rings colored orange, blue and yellow. I have done this to separate the ring windings. The orange ring is the horizontal loop collector. The blue ring is the first primary vertical winding called the control coils. The yellow ring will show the thin wire coil known as the feedback. Just remeber that the blue and yellow ring are actually wound over the orange ring.
wattsup

wattsup Nice work!
@ all
A simple question,

Why is the collector the horizontal orange ring? (to borrow from wattsup pic above)
Why not have that loop as the emitter (control) and the blue (toroid) be the collector? There is a step up in voltage out anyway(about 100V on the small TPUs, 800V for the large ones). Shouldn't it be going from low turns to high turns? etc?

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Just looking for the basic principles of operation.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #751 on: May 11, 2008, 05:30:38 PM »
Speaking of a ROTATING FIELD to drive the TPU.  Every PC Fan has a BRUSHLESS Motor.  If you take it apart, it is a 3 PHASE MOTOR.  There is a small circuit board with Transistors that create 3 Phase Power to drive the Motor Coils.  Brilliant design at Low Cost.  However, because it has transistors, it can be EASILY damaged by over voltage spikes!!

I had a PC Fan once that was making a Growling Noise.  It turned out to be 1 PHASE OUT.  The Motor was still barely turning on 2 Phases.  Amazing little things.

My Question is:  COULD a PC 3 Phase Fan Circuit Board be used to drive 3 Control Windings on a TPU?



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« Last Edit: May 11, 2008, 06:16:51 PM by FatBird »

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #752 on: May 11, 2008, 05:37:22 PM »
wattsup: Thank you for your hard work... and courage.

Take care.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #753 on: May 11, 2008, 05:45:55 PM »
@Milestock

   This thing of SM's produces a turbine like magnetic field that is guided by the copper collector.
It's not your usual turns to turns voltage increaser.  The actual magnetic field spin is being stored in the collector copper so all bets are off as far as the tpu acting as a voltage transformer.  The real majic is down in the kick windings.   Spike catalyst conversion of atomic mass to translatory energy.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #754 on: May 11, 2008, 06:00:11 PM »
@Milestock

   This thing of SM's produces a turbine like magnetic field that is guided by the copper collector.
It's not your usual turns to turns voltage increaser.  The actual magnetic field spin is being stored in the collector copper so all bets are off as far as the tpu acting as a voltage transformer.  The real majic is down in the kick windings.   Spike catalyst conversion of atomic mass to translatory energy.

Well, it's not clear what the principle of operation is, and thus the question(s). Just questioning the basics, before building up. Kinda like understanding/designing a house foundation before arguing what color to paint the walls so to speak.
Are you 100% sure that the collector is the loop and not the toroid coil?
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #755 on: May 11, 2008, 06:15:54 PM »
Speaking of a ROTATING FIELD to drive the TPU.  Every PC Fan Motor has a Brushless Motor.  If you take it apart, it is a 3 PHASE MOTOR.  There is a small circuit board with Transistors that create 3 Phase Power to drive the Motor Coils.  Brilliant design at Low Cost.  However, because it has transistors, it can be EASILY damaged by over voltage spikes!!

I had a PC Fan once that was making a Growling Noise.  It turned out to be 1 PHASE OUT.  The Motor was still barely turning on 2 Phases.  Amazing little things.

My Question is:  COULD a PC 3 Phase Fan Circuit Board be used to drive 3 Control Windings on a TPU?

    I have a 15kw three phase vfd running a blower motor.  It's carrier freq is 4khz.  The fake sinsuoidial 60hz is controlled by amplitude modulation. The carrier freq is putting out a boatload more power than 15kw.  First it makes the 80pound motor jump up and down 4000 times a second,  the noise from this phenomenon creates a high pitched ringing sound.  It blanks out am radio receivers for a 1/4 mile radius.  Gets into my telephone lines etc.  All this extra power and not a single watt draw to produce it from the grid. ;)   I have a spare 5hp 3phase inverter on hand.  I was thinking of dumping just the carrier into a steel/copper kick coil whose magnetic shift is experienced by a  "special" transformer secondary.  Measure the watts in and out and if it has gain feed some of the power back to the caps in the inverter.
Then turn off the switch to the grid and light up some lamps.   I don't think I need to wrap it all up in black electricians tape though. >:(   
    I think the motor/generator you are describing has been done before.  Martinez Molan or something like that.  Stephan has a topic about it on this forum.  When you had single phase out your motor was acting as a rotary phase converter.  I've built plenty of these.



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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #756 on: May 11, 2008, 06:26:06 PM »
@ Sparks

Thank you for explaining that.  It really sounds very interesting.  Maybe you could post a brief schematic showing the connections & what frequency is on which wire.


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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #757 on: May 11, 2008, 07:24:32 PM »
My Question is:  COULD a PC 3 Phase Fan Circuit Board be used to drive 3 Control Windings on a TPU?

Yes. Keep in-mind those outputs are limited in current and voltage. You'll have to have some form of middle device (MOSfet or other device) to do the work.
Excellent observation on the polyphase arrangement. The same can be true on computer drives of all types.
Another item to be aware of is the ring magnet that rotates around these 3-phase coils is the same magnetic polarity all the way around except on one spot. This is the point that creates movement by its attraction/repulsion from the motor coils. There may be variations of this.

These motor coils are fired in groups. You should see they are wired in groups of three. I have seen those in groups of other odd numbers.

You should find it easier to throw a few transistors together to replace the motor controller. This would give you a better chance of varying the phase relationship between the poles.

Lookup 'rat-race' circuits done by others on this forum or look into adding a third stage to a simple transistor multivibrator. If you choose to build a multivibrator you can replace the resistor in each stage with a variable resistor so you can control the phase relationship between pulses.

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While most think this firing sequence is only around the circumference I think it may also be vertical from one collector to another. On the 3 collector TPUs you can series the control from one collector with the next collector. This would not only create rotation around the axis but would also create a vertical movement (of what I'm not sure of yet).

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #758 on: May 11, 2008, 07:38:14 PM »
Also right behind the crystal, I think I can see a potentiometer. lol
Would a pot be required with a crystal?

If it is a crystal and there is a pot then it is not uncommon to add another device, like a cap, pot, coil or combinations, to give some extra control or shift from the crystal frequency.

Like said many times before, colorburst comes to mind. Easy crystal to obtain, has to do with TVs, frequency seems related to TPU frequencies mentioned. I could see a TPU resonating at 3.58MHz or some division or multiple of that. With a Pot maybe even 35.705kHz ?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #759 on: May 11, 2008, 08:44:22 PM »
If it is a crystal it would much more likely be a variable capacitance which would also be coloured to indicate the value, most comonly yellow or green in uk tv's.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #760 on: May 12, 2008, 12:13:47 AM »
I read Marco's PDF again yesterday and now understand that Jack Durban is right - SM did not invent this device. He reverse-engineered one that he acquired somewhere.

what evidence is there that led you to believe this?

@Poynt - I know it really doesn't matter where it came from - it was just a moment of clarity. I'm only going by words attributed to SM in a document named "Steven_Mark_TPU_compilation.pdf" that I found on OverUnity.com. Not trying to make a stink here - I'm still finding threads and messages I haven't seen before. Look on pages 54 & 55 for what seems to support my assertion.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #761 on: May 12, 2008, 12:32:14 AM »
hi

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #762 on: May 12, 2008, 01:44:01 AM »
A chronology of events:

- SM discovers and strikes the first magical chord with tube gens. and amps. presumably this is with his own coil device of his own construction

- SM tries to replicate/duplicate the first working unit for months with no success

- SM eventually gets the replicas working, but does not mention what the stupid reason was

- Attempts to make the control unit with SS devices, but the SS units would not keep the TPU on frequency. Again months go by without success.

-SM talks to his TV chump and figures out all the "quirks" to make it work, including: special pcb material, raised components off pcb, control unit inside of ring.

so, from the above, which was taken directly from the pages you mentioned, I'd say that the TPU is an SM original. Yep he had help, so there are one or two other chaps out there that know how the thing works, but they're not talking. That's what he meant by "I had a great deal of help". SM is not an engineer, but he had one or two on staff with him to help work out the kinks during the TPU's development. so once out of the tube realm and into SS, things become a little less straight-forward.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #763 on: May 12, 2008, 04:20:27 AM »
@MAC

What do you mean. A diode?

@All

When something does not seem right, chances are it isn't. Please look at the following grab of the big white capacitor. Perspective it everything, what do you see now.

Also, the output that BEP thinks is a transformer and I thought was a bridge rectifier is not that at all. lol
Check the two next grabs.
The first one was taken when the output was not connected to the meter.
The second one was taken as the output is being connected.
Holy wire output Batman, it's a wire guide. lol
One less thing to worry about. Great!

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #764 on: May 12, 2008, 04:34:25 AM »
Whatssup ...

Your diagrams have been rather nice but its tuff to see what you see with such blurry pictures...

Reminds me of this picture I once saw looked like an ugly old lady and when you turned it 180 degrees it looked like a decent looking woman...

Old drunken picture before beer and after comparison... Good little joke hehe...

But point being its a bit hard to see...

Anyhow take care and keep up the good work shame Jack D is unable to confirm much of anything about the device I would have studied the thing closely if I had seen the results of the unit first hand and am awfully supprised he did not.

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