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Author Topic: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban  (Read 365668 times)

Offline Spoodily

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #180 on: April 17, 2008, 08:01:44 PM »
Regarding HV vibrators, I came across the following links:
http://www.electronixandmore.com/project/1.html
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9A00E2DD133FE233A2575AC1A96E9C946496D6CF&oref=slogin

Probably far OT as most of my posts but then perhaps not...  ::)

Not OT, good info.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #181 on: April 17, 2008, 08:07:24 PM »

 @Marco

The OPTU 4 coils could be bifilar or single wound at this stage, but BEP sees both a dual and a single wire wound, and others see differently right now. We need more observation on that. Don't take it personally because at this stage, the more we can observe, the more we can then put the pieces together later.

 

It's obvious....
Just look at the pictures.
And read the carl doc.

M.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #182 on: April 17, 2008, 08:20:37 PM »
One thing to consider when evaluating this technology that cannot be overlooked or discounted is semantics and jargoneering. When evaluating statements made from SM or others even here in this forum one has to consider the authenticity or accuracy of the terms used. More specifically when listening to SM or reading his alleged communications with others here you have to take into consideration the awareness level or sphere of influence of the person. In SM's case if his technical awareness is mostly from an era gone by when vacuum tubes ruled the day, his words moreover his terminology should be dissected and parsed for modern day equivalence. In other words don't get too focused on terms like "collector coil" as they may not be accurate terms in the modern era. If SM was schooled in vacuum tube theory, the predecessor to the transistor and FET then one must consider that his sphere of influence is vacuum tube theory and therefore he sees the world from a prism different than that of an engineer schooled in the modern era. Therefore in summary do not take SM's terminology verbatim, parse and translate and you might that his terminology may make more sense.

A "collector coil" for all we know could mean something quite different to a "tube" guy!

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #183 on: April 17, 2008, 08:28:09 PM »
@Spoodily

Your idea has merit. We will see. Maybe try to make a diagram would help.

@M@rcel

Good posts. I like the nytimes article.

@EM

If you look at the FTPU you will notice that the white glue is set in 1/4 sections. So between each white section is a black or open section. But where each section start starts or ends the primary (your blue wire) goes towards the center. You can see it when the image is close up near the open section.   So the coil is not at the end of the sppol rim because you can see the spool rim is shorter then the coiling underneath.

That's why he used the white glue to cover the primary wire but stopped when the primary went inwards from each end, so he did not have to put white glue in the open sections.

So the FTPU, as far as I can see has a total of 8 Primary 1/4 sections, 4 on top and 4 on the bottom.

Again I think the center of the primary is a pancake coil and the pancake coil is going to the output side.

Now if we extend this to the OTPU, if the four coils were bifilar, this would also make 8 primaries.

I will try to grab a few images on this when I get back home.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #184 on: April 17, 2008, 08:31:33 PM »
that's so true Jack,  in fact it reminds me of an old timer that read SMs messages (I think it was John Bedini) and he imediatley noticed the "control" coil that SM refers to, is the same or simular to a coil in magnetometers.    I guess we need to understand the man's background and put it all in perspective.   good point

@wattsup,  interesting, I'll study that some more when I get home.

@marco,  yes I've seen those wires before as well, with a bit more processing we'll be able to put it all together and make a nice schematic.

EM

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #185 on: April 17, 2008, 08:52:46 PM »

 @Marco

The OPTU 4 coils could be bifilar or single wound at this stage, but BEP sees both a dual and a single wire wound, and others see differently right now. We need more observation on that. Don't take it personally because at this stage, the more we can observe, the more we can then put the pieces together later.

 

It's obvious....
Just look at the pictures.
And read the carl doc.

M.

One wire carries pulses and the other is a collector?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #186 on: April 17, 2008, 09:10:52 PM »

 @Marco

The OPTU 4 coils could be bifilar or single wound at this stage, but BEP sees both a dual and a single wire wound, and others see differently right now. We need more observation on that. Don't take it personally because at this stage, the more we can observe, the more we can then put the pieces together later.

 

It's obvious....
Just look at the pictures.
And read the carl doc.

M.

One wire carries pulses and the other is a collector?

That can be the case.
But i would say the other wire is to cancel out part of the flux so the result travels in one direction.
I came to this conclusion because Steven said "disable the effects of the flux" and after reading the carl doc.

M.




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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #187 on: April 17, 2008, 09:17:11 PM »

I came to this conclusion because Steven said "disable the effects of the flux" and after reading the carl doc.


Which "flux" is he refering to?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #188 on: April 17, 2008, 09:20:39 PM »
But i would say the other wire is to cancel out part of the flux so the result travels in one direction.
It may cancel out a part of the flux induced by pulses only if it carries the same signal in an opposite direction. If that's the case, where is the load collector? Beside that cancelling the flux created by pulses will obviously nullify any magnetic induction so there won't be any magnetic field building up.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #189 on: April 17, 2008, 09:21:47 PM »
Marco and Grumpy, here's what SM said in regards to this

Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of magnetic flux. what if you disable the effects of the flux?

I would not put so much faith in his explanations, notice it is a retorical question.  I'm no quantum physicist but I can tell you electrons don't travel fast through wires for other reasons, not simply magnetic flux. His main point in all of this seemed to be the addition of energies, with the analogy of bullets or cannons firing from each other, the analogy being to voltage adition or pulse addition

EM

P.S.   I was browsing some of the old threads and this should not be forgoten, (effects in iron wire). I need to do more digging on this.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4224.msg80526.html#msg80526

When a circuit
consisting partly of a straight iron wire, and containing a battery, is
closed, the current is at first smaller than the normal current, through
what is termed an " extra current," in opposition to the main current.
On opening the circuit on the other hand, the current is greater than
the normal, the " extra current '' being in the same direction with
the main current.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #190 on: April 17, 2008, 09:26:11 PM »
@EM

Oh yes Bedini...Mr. "Radiant Energy" Sounds like an Avon product. We wonder why most mainstream engineers run when they hear this stuff.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #191 on: April 17, 2008, 09:30:13 PM »
How does all of this fit with SM's comment that Tao "has the secret" - which supports an RE explanation:

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I want to mention about something I read on the site.
A person named TAO wrote this to you a while back:
 
>As a gesture of good faith towards you and the rest I'll throw out some insights...
Lets talk about the 'kick.' When the old Edison DC generators were turned on, back in the day, they released this 'kick' and killed many workers in the process. A man by the name of Tesla had seen this. He wondered how and why this 'kick' would occur. So he experimented with wire and disruptive discharges from capacitors. It was found by him that this kick could be made so powerful that it could explode wires instantly. This kick came out of the wires perpendicularly. He discharged capacitors into stout wire and through a spark gap. The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap. Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current, magnets, a flame, counter-rotating engines. His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED to be much quicker. As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge. These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire.

So, based on those things, lets look at the Mark device. Lets say Steven put one big stout cable around or in the rings,and all around these he had many many windings. Now, if Steven put into that stout cable a current and before the current could get to the end of the wire, he stopped it's flow abruptly, then perpendicular radiations (the KICKS), the same Tesla observed, would appear and spread from this stout cable, this would cause Tesla'a copper charging effect, which would hit all the other wires in Steven's coils. Now, if Steven wired the coils right and stopped the discharge of the current through the coils he would be able to extract a lot of extra energy from the tap points on the coils. This is basically how Tesla's magnifying transmitter works.

Capacitors discharged ABRUPTLY into a wire, then the current flow is stopped ABRUPTLY before the current makes it to the end of the wire, and this KICK comes out of the wires perpendicularly. This KICK would then charge copper with electrons(hot electricity) or their opposites(cold electricity). It just depends on how you setup the device.

So, I would say that Steven's KICKS have a direct relationship to Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, its REAL operation.<
 
So Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret. I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does have the secret.
Do you think he knows it?
The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.
Lindsay, it is so VERY hard to describe things with words!

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #192 on: April 17, 2008, 09:33:14 PM »
But i would say the other wire is to cancel out part of the flux so the result travels in one direction.
It may cancel out a part of the flux induced by pulses only if it carries the same signal in an opposite direction. If that's the case, where is the load collector? Beside that cancelling the flux created by pulses will obviously nullify any magnetic induction so there won't be any magnetic field building up.

Hey i said PART of the flux.
Fire up a coil and disconnect it.
Then you have movement in TWO directions.
We don't want this cause we want movement in ONE direction.
So we need to cancel out one half of the cycle.
People say this cannot be done because we will always have this opposing force.
I am sure you know what law i am reffering to.
Pherhaps cancelling out isn't the right name.
It should have been called "redirected feedback"
Collect the opposing force, and at the same time feed it back in only from the other side of the second coil.
It will still be there and it will still be opposite but it will create the apperance as it is moving in one direction.
At least that is what i could see.

M.

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« Reply #193 on: April 17, 2008, 09:35:49 PM »
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Oh yes Bedini...Mr. "Radiant Energy" Sounds like an Avon product. We wonder why most mainstream engineers run when they hear this stuff.

LOL   :D  :D   

yeah, I don't buy all his theories,  I've wasted too much time with his concepts in the past.

EM

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #194 on: April 17, 2008, 09:36:53 PM »
Perhaps it is just a creative way of saying to use a unidirectional pulse.

 

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