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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #120 on: April 16, 2008, 09:52:01 PM »
Base frequency of the TPU should be directly related to the magnetic frequency response of the control coils. If magnetic field in control coil changes too fast with the pulse there is no way magnetic fields of adjacent pulse coils will touch each other. While they should "flow" into each other in order to support rotating magnetic field. The only way to get this is to have magnetic absolute field intensity differentials of two adjacent control coils to be roughly equal halfway between the pulses - it is obvious that when magnetic field of one coil falls in intensity the magnetic field in the adjacent coil which was just pulsed rises. So, I would speculate that open TPU's two-ring frame is a ferro-magnetic material with a very slow response so that when the next pulse fires into the control coil there is still some field left from the previous pulse on the same coil. Then this magnetic field energy adds up with each pulse and may reach saturation thus limiting maximum output.

The "slower" the magnetic response of the control coil's core, the easier it will be to create a rotating magnetic field I think.
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #121 on: April 16, 2008, 09:59:34 PM »
I think the reed switch/magnet is no more than a switch that looked cooler than a gaudy dangling toggle. Reeds have limited actuations and fail. I doubt Steven would have jeopardized demos over reeds getting close to their MTBF counts. And if magnets were of any value they would be deployed in the large unit.
For prototyping reed switches should be fine. Can you offer any idea of what could be used there instead of reed switches that also "pulse"?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #122 on: April 16, 2008, 10:11:43 PM »
Why does there need to be any mechanically induced switching or any electronic for that matter? At least one set of four coils energize in a circular or rotary fashion creating the gyroscopic phenomena in the physical world. Do the coils actually get mechanically or electronically switched? I don't think so. I do think there is a transfer of energy in a rotary fashion but how is the million dollar question.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #123 on: April 16, 2008, 10:16:43 PM »
Why does there need to be any mechanically induced switching or any electronic for that matter? At least one set of four coils energize in a circular or rotary fashion creating the gyroscopic phenomena in the physical world. Do the coils actually get mechanically or electronically switched? I don't think so. I do think there is a transfer of energy in a rotary fashion but how is the million dollar question.
Understood. If there is no pulsing going on, I'm out of here. And sorry to flood with my 'acoustic/phonon non-equilibrium' ideas. ;) (but then again how this TPU is different from an AC motor then)

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #124 on: April 16, 2008, 10:29:26 PM »
@All

I would like to mention that reed switches are available in both NO normally open and NC normally closed.

Essentially, all 6V auto radios used vacuum tubes and had vibrators to step up the 6V to HV for the plates.  Since SM started sweeping the floor at 13 in a TV repair shop, he may have stumbled across this vibrator concept and used it later in the first TPUs.  Actually these old HV generator vibrators are one of the coolest things I've ever run into.  Too bad I never had the chance to meet and talk to their inventor.  A DC/DC converter with no electronics from way back in the 50's.

Radio Shack would have had reed relays and by wrapping a coil around a reed relay he could have made a small vibrator HV supply.  This supply could also have had two HV outputs, one with a slight delay and a different voltage.  These two voltage waveforms go to the bifilar windings.  This transformer could be in one of the pillars holding the two plates together.

I definitely see two pillars with square ceramic magnets.  These could easily have wire wrapped around them.  Perhaps both Stefan and EM are correct.

To me the bifilar winding is made from ordinary lamp cord.

@Marco

The voltmeters used are auto ranging and if there is no voltage present on the input leads, the DVM switches to the most sensitive scale.  It is very easy to pick up noise from a TPU close by and get an indication on the meter on its 2V scale.  Therefore a reading on the meter when connected to nothing is not an indication of a fake.

Also SM probably had these square ceramic magnets in his pockets, lying around on tables, all over the place.  That one is lying on a table does not send me any alarms.

I noticed in one of the videos that after finishing a demo with one TPU he walks away from it, but before doing so turns it upside-down.  This indicates to me that there is an internal switch to turn off the internal battery [for the electronics or vibrator].

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #125 on: April 16, 2008, 10:39:26 PM »
@JD

I like the way you think just like me about the psychology of ones actions and the possible reasons. Did you notice after he put the two magnets on the OPTU, he pressed a pushbutton. So maybe the magnet is a ruse after all.

The problem is each time he puts his magnets, the digital meter is not on yet. So he starts it up then puts on his probes. This creates the illusion of the magnets having an active role int he device.

But he made a mistake when he showed the FPTU. lol
Look at the meter when he connects the probes. He knows that meter off by heart and would not putz around so long with the selector buttons. He put the probes on, the voltage started going up around 26 but then he pushed some of the buttons to remove the voltage reading. He then put the magnet then pressed the proper meter button again to show the voltage. We could never see the meter readings in the old video. lol

Also he kept the FPTU in a carry case. Convenience yes, but that unit is totally open and would have given out many more details then he would have wanted.

OK so no magnets required. The units have push buttons or toggle switches.

And always notice he always refers "there are no batteries in this device that can produce the energy required to make the lights go on as they do" or something like that. This is a way of saying, there are  batteries but never enough to do all the work involved. lol

OK magnets are a ruse. Reeds, maybe this is why the units only last 20 minutes. The reeds burn up because of any potential arching across them. Otherwise, we have to figure out another way.

But look at what DAVE DOLESHAL says on the other thread.

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 I confess I don?t know what a reed switch is, but I?ve seen plenty of simple magnet activated switches, so such a thing is hardly amazing. I?m not sure it was a ruse, but I am sure it offers no clue as to the inner working of the device. Steven did take pains to obscure how it worked. If he thought he was giving away some secret, he?d have never let this be filmed. Some of his devices worked merely by flipping an ordinary off/on switch. If these is real feature of the device, it?s probably more like the ability to push start an automobile. It works, but it reveals little about how to build a car.
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #126 on: April 16, 2008, 10:41:23 PM »
Hey Stefan you forgot the coils are bifilar to cancel out the flux.
This is visible in the pictures too... it's two wires.

M.

Marco,
no it does not make any sense !
Why should it cancel out the flux of the control coil  and be bifilar?

I see in your posted picture that it could also be just the 2 wires of the
control coil going to the stand-box, where maybe a big capacitor just sits there
to do a phase shift.

The 4 coils of the OpenTPU are probably connected this way,
that 2 opposing control coils are in series with a big cap in parallel so these 4 coils plus 2 caps form
2 LC tanks which are 90 degrees out of phase (in quadrature).

So if these 2 LC tanks oscillate they generate a rotational magnet field.

Then the white single turn collector coil wire,
which is taped under the red control coils
to be hidden ( can only be seen in some places, otherwise
taped by black tape)
generates the output DC voltage.


If you remember Jack said,
SM just used these stands  from plastic loudspeaker holders,
so the spool frame where he put it all on, is just plastic all the way...
No more mystery here.

Also the 2 magnets are probably just put there to switch on
2 reed relays, that keep the 2 LC tanks disconnected from each other.

The white loose wire in the center of the OpenTPU is just there
to connect the loudspeaker type output connectors at the top to
the other output connectors at the right side.

Remember SM connects the voltmeter to the upper
loudspeaker type output connectors and the 2 bulbs to the side output connectors.

So the white wires in the center hnaging loose there are just there to make a parallel
output connection from loudspeaker type output connectors to side output connector,
nothing more...



It would be easy for e.g. Roberto to do these tests,
as he has all the required hardware.
The only thing he would have to change is use
a shiftregister pulse control setup and pulse his
control coils in a sequential order to have a rotational
magnet field for his control coils and then see the DC voltage with hash on
the output coil.
This would be the first test to see, how the DC voltage is generated.
Then we just have to find out, how we have to connect the 2 LC tanks
to the output coils and to each other to violate Lenz law and keep
the oscillation running.

It is a pretty simple circuit I guess and easy to setup,
once you know how the connections are to be made.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #127 on: April 16, 2008, 10:43:01 PM »
"I don?t know what a reed switch is, but I?ve seen plenty of simple magnet activated switches"
Sounds like a disinformation, like reed switch is not a "simple magnet activated switch". Maybe he didn't really knew a word 'reed switch' at all.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #128 on: April 16, 2008, 10:55:10 PM »
@Guys

Don't forget that the OTPU has a circuit board and should not be considered the same device as the others, even to the FPTU which is the first generation device. Again my image grabber is on the blink and I am trying to figure out why. It grabs the image, I can edit the image but when I save it and look at it in another program, the image is black.

@Stefan

Yes there are some wire going to the speaker terminal, but there are other white wires going to the Coil #1 and #2.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #129 on: April 16, 2008, 11:09:35 PM »


I don't have the basics in this field but even before reading todays comments my mind is going in the same direction as wattsup and EM...that can be either good or bad :)

As I alluded to in an earlier post about the magnets adjusting or tuning reed switches.

Similarly, you guys are also speculating on the reeds having a flapping or switching action.
 
Today the words of Victor Schauberger came back to me... he spoke of the ability of the salmon to effortlessly swim up vertically up stream of quickly falling water.

Its seems to me the salmon may be vibrating their tails in harmony with the falling water, somehow neutralizing the force of the waterfall?could SM?s repositioning of the magnets be him ?tuning? the reed switch until it flutters or vibrates in tune with the frequency of passing signal ?   

Do those two harmonized frequencies combine with ether energy similar to the way in which an orchestra can produce a resonant sound.   produce usable energy

Denny Doherty of the Mamas And The Papas once described a phenomena which occurred when the group were singing in a certain range?apparently their voices combined to make it sound as if they had another person accompanying them?they even had a name for ?him? which escapes me.

No one has addressed the possible effects of twisting the litz wire, prior to making it into a coil...would doing that enhance the properties of the coil in any way ?

Hope the foregoing is of some use, or triggers an idea in someone.

Regards...





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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #130 on: April 16, 2008, 11:42:59 PM »
I keep coming back to the same principles, some how the TPUs are related to Double Balanced Mixers, or Magnetic Amplifiers, etc..    SM did say he discovered the principle by observing interactions from a transformer core and mentioned rectifier tubes...

Here's something you might like  :)

EM

P.S.  Steven might have combined some of these topologies with capacitors and caused resonance.  Resonance and rotating magnetic fields seem to be key as well, so throw Teslas rotational magfield in this and we should be in the ball park. 

Note the title,  Magnetic amplifiers for INDUCTIVE loads,  so take the output and hook it back to the input COIL, which is inductive and we have feedback !!!  Then we will get something interesting.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2008, 12:09:49 AM by EMdevices »

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #131 on: April 16, 2008, 11:43:21 PM »
Mr Durban,

Just to save you some time if you are thinking of replicating Tesla's rotating field coil with the 2 sets of coils set up in a bucking configuration I have reproduced that experiment and noticed nothing significant. I didnt take any shortcuts on the circuit I built to replicate the signal. I first built a quadrature sine wave oscillator, then I built 2 seperate amplifier circuits to amplify both signals then finally fed them to 2 coils. If you are intersted in other observation I made with this project just let me know, or maybe if there is something you think I may have overlooked.

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« Reply #132 on: April 16, 2008, 11:56:33 PM »
Its seems to me the salmon may be vibrating their tails in harmony with the falling water, somehow neutralizing the force of the waterfall...
From complex Fourier transform I know that every real-valued oscillation serie (e.g. acoustic wave) carries negative component of the same frequency. I always wondered myself how this fact can be utilized in a physical world. This is the same as mentally inverting compression and rarefaction areas within acoustic wave field. Probably it can be utilized.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #133 on: April 16, 2008, 11:58:49 PM »
Why does there need to be any mechanically induced switching or any electronic for that matter? At least one set of four coils energize in a circular or rotary fashion creating the gyroscopic phenomena in the physical world. Do the coils actually get mechanically or electronically switched? I don't think so. I do think there is a transfer of energy in a rotary fashion but how is the million dollar question.

You can just do this via using the 4 coils in 2 LC circuits and have some kind of
positive feedback, so the 4 coil?s circuit will oscillate.

If the LC components are choosen right,
the magnet field inside the oscillating  2 LC tanks is just rotating.

This would work without any amplifiers or transistors or tubes,
if the wiring of the coils would violate the Lenz law and the vortex of the magnet field
would tap into the earth field somehow..

The magetic vortex then would just propell the electrons inside the output coil.

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« Reply #134 on: April 17, 2008, 12:01:14 AM »
Have any of you seen the stationary ripples that occur when you place a small obstruction in a stream of water?  (like your finger towards the top of a waterfall)   somehow ripples travel upwards but are stationary with respect to the obstruction not the moving water.  It's quite an interesting phenomena.

EM

P.S.  Stefan, a simple capacitor hooked in series to one of the LC tanks would provide the necessary 90 phase shift to cause rotation.  That's what they do in AC motors driven from 1 phase I believe.

 

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