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Author Topic: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban  (Read 412804 times)

Offline wattsup

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1005 on: June 03, 2008, 05:39:17 PM »
@JustRite

I think also there is no U-turn allowed inside the toroid as this will cancel each other.

Since we can agree that the toroid is in fact a bucking field toroid with both coils in series as in bifilar. This leaves two wires from the toroid center that I believe are going and comming from the top and bottom ring ends. As it is a way to start the current flow to the tpu output. The output of the tpu is also providing the input return loop to the tpu circuit so this can explain the gradual current increase in the tpu.

@BEP

Thanks for mentioning bucking field. I have looked it up since last nigth reading up on many types of usages and have found this paragraph........

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Basically, if we take two conventional coils, and connect them in series, but orient them such that the poles of the two coils are in opposition, what is often called 'bucking fields', we will find that the
total inductance is greater than that of a single coil.  The total energy stored in the fields of the two coils is not significantly effected by their orientation, and the system is highly inductive.
UNQUOTE

From here: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/scalwfaq.htm

I am now very close to putting these pieces together and have taken something from Tesla's patents to see how this can fit together sort of similiar to what I have learned with the Erfinder Challenge.

Now if the bucking coil toroid is the coil of high induction and is assisting in creating a suitable charge on EM's capacitor, and the control coil is the primary, and the collector ring is the secondary, then all I need is a way to create a short circuit going from the feed source, through the collector/emitter of the transistor and going to the junction where the bucking toroid and primary are connected together. This will produce high voltage into the primary and I already know from tests that the way the control coil/collector windings on my current build are giving me good coupling potential, this should produce juice.

Since my control coil and collector are each wound from one continuous wire, I may consider changing the control coil configurations to see if this can increase amperage but I will not change the single wire wind on the collector.

From my observation of the FTPU circuit, there are three small capacitors, one slow blow fuse, one resistor, one transistor, two diodes and another EM type capacitor so it should not be too hard to figure out how to connect these. I would imagine a few of the small caps are used to pulse the transistor base, the diodes are there to isolate the emmitter side of the transistor and also provide a returning side for flyback to source. Anyways, that will be a good problem to have.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1006 on: June 03, 2008, 05:41:53 PM »
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Basically, if we take two conventional coils, and connect them in series, but orient them such that the poles of the two coils are in opposition, what is often called 'bucking fields', we will find that the
total inductance is greater than that of a single coil.  The total energy stored in the fields of the two coils is not significantly effected by their orientation, and the system is highly inductive.

the total inductance is LESS not greater.

nice find BEP, the coil wire sure looks like it reverses direction, very interesting.

EM

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1007 on: June 03, 2008, 07:52:44 PM »
the total inductance is LESS not greater.

nice find BEP, the coil wire sure looks like it reverses direction, very interesting.

EM

The total inductance depends highly upon the mutual orientation and the common core. Use of the term 'bifilar' would also require the core be conductive to a mag field. I think it is not.
Should the core be ferrous, current hitting the opposing coils would create more reluctance in the overall coil. In short during one part of the cycle it would make the coil act like it had a very high inductance. During the 'off' state the 'series opposing' flyback fields would be equal and opposite - net zero.
When you deal with multiple coils of any type you also must consider if they are series or parallel aiding, opposing or some variation of cross-field. I believe these two windings are a combination of series opposing and parallel aiding but only because I don't think the core is ferrous.
Another thing to consider is when you wrap a coil around another conductor (that coil wound so the net MF is near zero) you reduce the effect of CEMF in that covered conductor. In short - it makes current flow in the covered conductor not only faster but easier. Hints of cancellation and speeding the current flow?
None of that will happen with an iron core.
Connect one end of that outer wrap with one end of the inner flat coil and you have a Rogowski coil on steroids. Rogoski's are constant voltage output.
Add a second flat spiral inside with some clean DC on it. You wind up with North on that last coil pointing toward center and North of the outer wrap in a loop around the circumference.
I'm thinking when you have two perpindicular mag fields they will be less likely to have an effect on each other and this will cause a third vector. Of what? I'll not start the argument.
Just be aware the above has me understanding why the ampprobe was positioned the way it was for the highest reading.

Yes, I'm convinced these little toroids are just the first stage of a step-up TPU instead of a step-up transformer.
 


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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1008 on: June 04, 2008, 03:29:18 PM »
@all

I did another complete and closest sizing of the center toroid cores and winds as having the following as final dimensions. I even took a grab of the toroid and superimposed a 32 turn x 2 drawing over it and gave the line width of 0.0418" or 18 awg.

2.50" OD
1.25" ID
0.50" HT

So the ID is half the OD and the height is 1/5 the OD.
32 turns x 2 in series, one winding in reverse to the other.
The turns are 5 degrees apart.
Wire is 18 awg having a nominal diameter of 0.0418"

I have not been able to find any toroid core with such dimensions on the market. Nothing. They all have thinner core walls. The dimension ratio of 2:1:1/5 is really unique. WHY????????????

I know I am getting to be a pain in the ass about this but I believe the toroid is the center most important part of the TPU and having some concrete information of this toroid design will give us a better insight on the remaining functions. Especially for the FTPU since there is so little to the device.

Also, if this is in fact a two wire bucking toroid as BEP says, then besides the two black wires, there are two white wires coming out the center. What if there really is a horizontal coil inside the center toroid. That would explain the two white wires. Oh but they are from the collectors or the control rings. Maybe not. Maybe they are from an internal coil in the center toroid core structure that then goes to the collectors. But as long as we are concentrating on the rings, we're not thinking inside the toroid. And maybe that's the way SM wants it to look. lol

Next move, get an empty Teflon tape spool, wind it with a 16 gauge lamp wire having a thin insulation on it, wind 64 turns at 32 turns reverse of 18 awg mag wire and start doing more testing.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1009 on: June 04, 2008, 05:11:03 PM »
@ wattsup - Beautiful observations! You have much more patience with these images than I. Your hard work is roundly appreciated.

I did some intense reading last night about modern toroidal applications and manufacturing methods. Google will return lots of results from both makers of these devices and the engineers designing them. From these readings, I am inclined to agree with BEP that these are designed as bucking coils - the application is right, the appearance is right, and as you suggest these are probably custom-made for the TPU, explaining why there's no widely available version through retail.

The white wires are mysterious. Wattsup, the only place I might question your interpretation as pictured is where the winding does a half-loop and reverses in the middle - everything I read says that reversing the direction would result in zero net influence, or even slow things down. Instead, could the white wires be center-taps, to provide feedback or current reinforcement?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1010 on: June 05, 2008, 09:03:11 PM »
hello hello

he he he "mystery coil "
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3403.msg58263.html#msg58263


"Has anyone ever done any research on what happens when we
create a magnetic field and revolve it faster and faster.
What changes and at what speed or frequency of the pulsed field
do things suddenly change?"
so what happens?
some tesla stuff
"The result will, of course, largely depend on the resistance and geometrical dimensions of the path of the resulting eddy current and on the speed of rotation; these elements, namely, determine the retardation of this current and its position relative to the field. For a certain speed there would be a maximum energizing action: then at higher speeds, it would gradually fall off to zero and finally reverse, that is, the resultant eddy current effect would be to weaken the field. The reaction would be best demonstrated experimentally by arranging the fields N S, N' S', freely movable on an axis concentric with the shaft of the disc. If the latter were rotated as before in the direction of the arrow D, the field would be dragged in the same direction with a torque, which, up to a certain point, would go on increasing with the speed of rotation, then fall off, and, passing through zero, finally become negative; that is, the field would begin to rotate in opposite direction to the disc. In experiments with alternate current motors in which the field was shifted by currents of differing phase, this interesting result was observed. For very low speeds of rotation of the field the motor would show a torque of 900 lbs. or more, measured on a, pulley 12 inches in diameter. When the speed of rotation of the poles was increased, the torque would diminish, would finally go down to zero, become negative, and then the armature would begin to rotate in opposite direction to the field-To return to the principal subject; assume the conditions to be such that the eddy currents generated by the rotation of the disc strengthen the field, and suppose the latter gradually removed while the disc is kept rotating at an increased rate. The current, once started, may then be sufficient to maintain itself and even increase in strength, and then we have the case of Sir William Thomson's "current accumulator"."

blaa blaa
http://www.andrijar.com/teslahom/index.html


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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1011 on: June 06, 2008, 02:49:51 AM »
@zapnic

Thanks for the link. I remember very well that great thread and I had asked you to expand on that photo with the arrows. lol

Iron wire core toroid would not be hard to do.

@BEP

I just made one with a core of 16awg wire I found yesterday that has a thin plastic coating to increase wire winds. It is 2" diameter spool used for teflon plumbers tape. I wound 25 turns one way then looped reverse another 25 turns.

Do you have any ideas on how to drive this coil. lol

Now after winding this coil, and looking at the TPU toroids and the cleanliness of the winds, it is clear that the TPU toroids were not hand wound.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1012 on: June 06, 2008, 04:01:56 AM »
@Wattsup

You'll appreciate this:

I wound several before I got one that looked fairly good. I wound up using those dognut adapter bushings for plastic pipe. The white stuff heated up at high frequencies so I use the off-white ones. Not a plumber but you probably get my drift.

The dognut has the chamfered top surface and bottom ledge I believe I see in the video. I don't have any now but I'm thinking the goop between the wires is RobRoy ceramic explosion proof conduit fitting sealer. It gets all over everything and dries to a rock hard ceramic. I don't think wire movement is a good thing here.

Looking at your pic the left winding is more dense between 11:30 an 9:00 - exactly opposite on the right wind - dense between 5:30 and 3.

I haven't determined exactly what the hidden winding consists of yet. I think it is likely a heavier wire. As to how it connects to the rest - I don't know.

I do know you can connect one end of the horizontal wind to one end of the perpendicular wind and have intersting scope shots. They are better when you place a radiant source in the center - incandescent bulb, neon light(not quite lit), spark gap, etc. along with dognut mags top and bottom.

You can also just put a resistor across the two white wires - anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand ohms. If you have a scope connect your probe across this resistor. The white wire circuit should probably be a closed circuit. Then run a few amps of DC through the perp wind. You'll have to experiment on polarities.

Remove the dognut mags and place a small - weak magnet where the outer wind reverses and/or at the 180 end.

I'm using flat pancake coils inside and still experimenting when I have a chance. My next shot will be using the inside wind with much more and smaller wire with high voltage applied to the horizontal wind.

Apply pulses to the outer wind and the resonance drops for the horizontal wind - with the right strength and frequency - dramatically.


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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1013 on: June 07, 2008, 04:05:50 AM »
Am I the only one that sees the toroidal chokes as just chokes?

I have watched the video over and over again like everyone else here and all I see is two commonly available chokes with the leads detached to accommodate larger gauge wires that go from the switch poles and back again. This is supported by just following the easily identifiable large white wires that are sent out of the TPU interior to the switch and back from the switch to the TPU only as a means of opening the output of the secondary. This theory is further supported by scale. The smaller unit uses one choke and the larger two. Why? Current. The larger TPU was higher power and thus more load isolation was applied.

The fact that that these inductors are residing in the middle of the device are on no significance other than a little design balance or aesthetics.

Also regarding references to "Sherics". Just do a little study of his reference to the speakers he made and you will find no relevance at all. I even spent an evening reading most of the relevant patents and not a correlation to be had and I read patents for a living.

As far I as could tell reading and re-reading his post there wasn't any transfer of any usable information at all. All I could picture in my mind was Rod Steiger in "Mars Attacks" asking "What  the hell does that mean!"

I realize that this device might partially be outside of known science but I always discount a technical discussion that doesn't use at least a few known and established mathematical references or interpretations!

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1014 on: June 07, 2008, 04:48:26 AM »
Am I the only one that sees the toroidal chokes as just chokes?

 ;D Nope  ;).

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1015 on: June 07, 2008, 04:42:10 PM »
@JD

It is really good to know that you have put some time into these questions. I know this could be a choke and would be tempted to just abdicate to that fact because it wold simplify thing greatly, but I doubt it. The first premise is that to make such a TPU device one would have had to think outside the box. I presume a choke would be an energy loser and not an energy gainer. If you look at a 1000 watt inverter and see the small size of the choke, then ask yourself why would SM put one that is soooo  big for only 60 volts. Something does not smell right.

Here is another way of looking at it..

The FTPU is composed of scrawny control coils for a total of 96 small turns, wound over a scrawny collector having a total of 4 turns all run by a scrawny iffy jiffy circuit to then produce an output of 60 volts that would then have to be choked by a huge central (or wherever) choke. Again, something does not smell right. If someone could give me a good explanation of why one would use such a big choke for the FTPU, this would help tremendously. Then maybe provide a correlation between the FTPU and the LTPU chokes, why use one at 60 volts, and only two at 800 volts. Again something does not look right.

Anyway, I'll just pound the pavement until I am convinced. I am starting to do my own testing with my current build using various "choke" types to see differences.

As for your comments of Spherics, I agree as well.

@BEP

From what you have posted, are you thinking that the toroid has a horizontal coil that is encapsulated in some type of epoxy. This may make sense because when yo look at the close-up photos at the top of this page, the winds do seem to be embedding themselves slightly into the core material, something that would be impossible if this was a ferrite or iron powder core. If the toroid core was a winding in epoxy and not on a spool as my last build this would also simply how you can get both wire leads out of the core.

I am beginning to feel that 80% of the overunity aspect of the TPU is right in the central toroid and that the rings that changes from one unit to the other may somewhat useful but also may be a major decoy.

@all

I have put up a patent I found that when you look at the circuit, and read the function, this guy is touching on so many relevant points for the TPU function or any OU system and it is basically talking about an audio amplifier. But the read is long but each paragraph has so many parallels. Hope you like it. I have uploaded it to the download section here;

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get83

JD if you take a look at the patent, check out the bucking coil in the first diagram.


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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1016 on: June 07, 2008, 04:51:05 PM »
Could anybody help me to paste here the download links/torrents of HQ videos?
Thank you in advance. (I don't know where can I find these links, because of the first page links has been broken).

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1017 on: June 07, 2008, 06:25:11 PM »
@wattsup
about the central choke i think that steven use this for frequency adjust when collector voltage  reach max ( critical voltage current )
if you drive that choke from blocking oscillator incredulity many harmonic frequency appear   :)

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1018 on: June 07, 2008, 10:09:43 PM »
Hm.. I think somebody should consider structural standing wave produced by an acoustical squarewave generator. To put it short, such standing wave "dissects" structure with a fine "blade". Make wave stronger, and structure will go cracks. If you remove this standing wave, structure will reunite with its density equalizing: that will send a wave of ripples. Think about sono-luminescence. Why the heck "reunion" of bubble's opposite surfaces is able to produce light burst? If you compare energy in/energy out of this very light burst moment, it's pretty much overunity - in the larger scale it's not overunity because you have just 1 collapsing bubble: with a standing wave produced by an acoustical squarewave generator in a crystalline lattice you can have a much larger surface of a similar "reunion" process. Not to note that such "light burst" probably produces EM field fluctuation as well.
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #1019 on: June 08, 2008, 06:21:55 AM »
This question is for Jack Durban,on the large tpu,
in view of the heating problem
did Steven Marks ever  use teflon coated wire anywhere on the tpu.
or is it totally made of simple stranded insulated copper wire that you could see.

Thanks