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Author Topic: New proof and blueprints on how to properly sheild magnets  (Read 16716 times)

Low-Q

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Re: New proof and blueprints on how to properly sheild magnets
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2008, 11:03:51 AM »

Our farm tractor had an opening in the front where you could insert a crank to start it.

It always struck me how the flywheel seemed to be imbalanced...it would turn very hard until it past a certain point, where it would speed up with such force that if you were not careful the crank would  also make a very violent rotation.

Would a weight placed on a rotor at the correct location be enough to take a magnet motor past the sticky point...and with torque ?

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LOL, Yes I remember those tractors  :) Once in a while the farmer broke an arm, or someone got that crank in the face - looking too close - when the engine kicked back when the ignition went wrong.

Well, a weight placed correctly on a rotor would for sure cancel the sticky spot by using gravity, but when that weight are going the next half round - upwards -, it must fight agains gravity, which is then the "sticky" spot. Force, thrust, mass, gravity, or static magnetism can't do work alone. Easy as that. SMOT, "Wankel", or whatever you call the magnet motor will never work alone.

These magnet motors or constructions are all based on force and counterforce, in several forms, which at the end cancels out into nothing. They simply don't work as long as the permanent magnet or gravity doesn't change at proper intervals. And how should that happen without applying external energy?

Br.

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Cap-Z-ro

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Re: New proof and blueprints on how to properly sheild magnets
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2008, 12:15:43 PM »


Yes, the trick was to let go of the crank very quickly after giving it a good turn. :)


I haven't seen anyone use an unbalanced rotor in any of those other experiments you mentioned though...the concept might well be worth exploring.

It would seem that by adjusting the location of the sticky spot relative to gravitational forces would allow for the momentum gathered by the unbalanced rotor carry the rotor past the sticky spot with force with each rotation?

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utilitarian

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Re: New proof and blueprints on how to properly sheild magnets
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2008, 10:45:02 PM »


Yes, the trick was to let go of the crank very quickly after giving it a good turn. :)


I haven't seen anyone use an unbalanced rotor in any of those other experiments you mentioned though...the concept might well be worth exploring.

It would seem that by adjusting the location of the sticky spot relative to gravitational forces would allow for the momentum gathered by the unbalanced rotor carry the rotor past the sticky spot with force with each rotation?

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What you call the sticky spot is not really sticky, like glue or other frictional agent might be sticky.  The stickiness is nature telling you, "energy out equals energy in minus losses to friction, she canna give no more cap'n."  So it is impossible to move the sticky spot, because wherever you put it, that's where it will be.

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: New proof and blueprints on how to properly sheild magnets
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2008, 11:06:05 PM »

The shifting of the 'sticky spot'(something I thought to be common knowledge here) by itseld is redundant.

Adding elements such as gravitational forces and the momentum gathered by the unbalanced rotor however require more consideration.

Not to dwell on a negative, but I've have learned 2 things after making many mistakes...never say never...and nothing is impossible.

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Re: New proof and blueprints on how to properly sheild magnets
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2008, 11:26:10 PM »

The shifting of the 'sticky spot'(something I thought to be common knowledge here) by itseld is redundant.

Adding elements such as gravitational forces and the momentum gathered by the unbalanced rotor however require more consideration.

Not to dwell on a negative, but I've have learned 2 things after making many mistakes...never say never...and nothing is impossible.

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You're probably right, but 1 - 1 is still nothing. However, I made a mistake when saying that 1 + 1 is 2. In my situation 1 + 1 is 4 - me (1), my wife (1), and two kids ;)

br.

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Re: New proof and blueprints on how to properly sheild magnets
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2008, 10:27:20 PM »
I didn't think about it before bur this shielding idea is exactly the kind of shielding that Lloyd Zirbes used in his 'Flux-o-matic'.
The shields around the magnets on the rotor and the stator releases mostly just the repelling forces what makes the device work.

The blueprints and cad assemblies of the flux--matic are here: http://www.fdp.nu/zirbes/default.asp

The most asked question I get is: did someone make the FLux-o-matic yet? And I must answer: not that I know. The only one who build it, was Lloyd Zirbes himself, accoording to the interviews I heard.

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Re: New proof and blueprints on how to properly sheild magnets
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2008, 01:20:04 AM »

Thanks for the link eavogels...

He was also a geomagnetic researcher...here is what he had to say aboutf HAARP...

" Zirbes strongly opposed the technology utilized in the HAARP system. He wrote, 'Disruption of the Earth's magnetic field will complete damages to the planet's balance done by the government nuclear bomb blasts in the natural radiation belts above the ionosphere. Earth's magnetic field keeps the planet in balance with the moon and sun. Disrupting the field will be the last straw in sending Earth into the sun or out into space."

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Re: New proof and blueprints on how to properly sheild magnets
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2008, 01:36:57 PM »
Now and then people contact me that they cannot read the figures on the drawings of the Flux-o-matic.
I now invested in proffesional scanning and I put the drawings here:

 fdp.nu/shared/manager.asp?d=files\Flux-o-matic\

What_The_Flux

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Re: New proof and blueprints on how to properly sheild magnets
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2008, 07:37:49 PM »
I am just starting to experiment with shielding, so I would appreciate any comments on my conclusions so far.
For the record, I am not a nay-sayer, but an engineer seeking the same thing the rest of you are.

But after looking at the above youtube shielding video, and investigating the Perendev concept, right now my data and gut instinct are telling me that shielding does not bring us any closer to over unity.

Shielding definitely insulates magnetic fields and creates an asymmetrical field around a magnet, but all this is doing is a combination of attenuating part of the field and shifting the location and geometry of the field. A rotor magnet traveling through the flux field still appears to face equal net attraction/repulsion force when entering then exiting a field.

This also passes my sanity (?) check, if you consider that even the most complex magnet and shielding arrangement still has a definable set of flux lines which all start and end at the magnet assembly. Whether a moving magnet is going straight through the field, on an arc, or non-linearly. It still passes the same flux density going in as it does going out.

Experimenting with Perendev-type magnets (and believe me, it's not easy cutting or grinding neodymium), I find that the shielding does allow the two magnets to approach more easily from one direction. But as they approach the same axis, the resistance is amplified, greater than if the magnets were unshielded. The total net force appears to be the same for the rotor moving in either direction. If the Perendev concept is sound, we should be able to isolate the concept with just two magnets.

So far I am still looking for evidence of a true magnetic 'gate', where force in one direction is different from the other.

Please let me know if you have some experiments that prove me wrong. I'm looking forward to sharing and learning from everybody.

Bob

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Re: New proof and blueprints on how to properly sheild magnets
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2008, 07:44:52 PM »
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