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Hi my name is infringer and I am an oil-ahaulic...
Everyday I live my life dependant on oil and other methods of pulluting power production sold to me by my electric and gas company.
My goal is to learn enough to slowly ween myself off of these old technolgies and strive for better means.
I am no mathmatician, scholar, EE, or gentlemen. Just an avg ordinary person...
I have a decent ability to learn if taught correctly.
I dont have much money saved and cannot invest a lot in to equipment.
I am however a creative thinker I think therefore I am :P
EDITED TO SHARE A BIT MORE ABOUT MYSELF BELOW IN HOPES OTHERS WILL JOIN IN
One other thing I'd like to share is I work in the arcade business as a laborer in the electronics department where I wire, test, assemble, and package arcades. I myself oddly enough am not into arcades the electronics in general of the job is the only thing of interest to me.
I am currently layed off due to a lack of orders and change in company leadership but I am able to figure some things out with no EE knowladge.
I have took a little schooling, that got me the basic comptia certifications...
Hello all please feel free to intro yourself and say a little bit about yourself as well!
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Hi my name is infringer and I am an oil-ahaulic...
Everyday I live my life dependant on oil and other methods of pulluting power production sold to me by my electric and gas company.
My goal is to learn enough to slowly ween myself off of these old technolgies and strive for better means.
I am no mathmatician, scholar, EE, or gentlemen. Just an avg ordinary person...
I have a decent ability to learn if taught correctly.
I dont have much money saved and cannot invest a lot in to equipment.
I am however a creative thinker I think therefore I am :P
Hello all please feel free to intro yourself and say a little bit about yourself as well!
hi there im b0rg13, i gave up driving my car when fuel was $1 a liter , now its about 10c away from being $2 a liter, id rather save and buy/build an electric car, i live in town any way so i ride a mountain bike, i cant imagine paying for fuel to propel a smelly car again, apart from that id like to get a beach bach and tinker with stuff and get off the grid. OU dot com has been a great place to learn about some stuff so far. :)
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Thanks a lot for introduction b0rg13, it is great that some folks like yourself can live day to day without the need to use an automobile.
Also I have gathered that you work from home and make a decent living doing so roughly 300bux a week working 5hours a day.
This is great man if I could find a way to do the same believe me I would and be less dependant on fossil fuels by doing so as well.
I thank you much for sharing with us man.
It is nice to get to know the folks a little that you talk to.
Be nice if there were a dedicated IRC server where people could join and talk in real time if they wished or possibly just to shoot the chit ;)
With all the views of this thread I am supprised no one else wishes to share a little insight into personal views, and goals.
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hi again, it wasnt always as i describbed it, i used to wake up at 4am each morning and drive 120km to work and back and do a 12 to 16 hour day 6 days a week with just enought time to crawl into bed and wake up and do it all over again, i had no time with my partner(now ex partner),no time for me kids, no time for MY SELF all i seemed to be doing was chasing $$$$$$$,hmmmm, i had a crap load of cash BUT my bills were always bigger, hmmm ?
, so i got rid of the house my car my other car and MAN IT SUCKED, all my friends thought i had lost my marbles( some times i began to wonder as well) and most of them still dont talk to me lol, but back then(7 years ago) everyone was bitching about how they were in debt to there eyes balls and beyond, now 7 years on there bitching even more, ive just gottin rid of ALL my debt and feel alot better, sure im not keeping up with the jones but i also dont have debt any more, folks your only as rich as a computer some place with a number typed into it and i bet you %99 of the time it has a BIG FAT MINUS next to it :). youll feel better when you dump that number and free your self,after 3 to 6 months youll sudenly realise its not that hard after you have broken out of the cycle. im looking forward to an electric car and a beach bach with some solar panels, some fruit trees and a vege garden,.
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oh i forgot to mention . now that i only work about 5 hours a day i have time to relax and read and come here to ou dot com , and work on my fitness and spend time with my kids and refind my own passions and things that keep me intersted in life,when im biking around the streets i cant help but see lots of people in cars all in a rush going everywhere slowly and being backed up in traffic, they sit there tapping the sterring wheel txting shaking there fist at each other flicking cigarest butts out the windows and generaly looking really unhappy.and i remember it all to well.
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beautiful man beautiful I love it :P happiness is worth way more then money it is all about the journey not the end of the journey.
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Symmetry would suggest that the oil companies would have 12-step recovery programs for over-unitarian inventors, re-indoctrinating them with the virtues of burning hydrocarbons.
Y'all buy lotsa Texas Natural Gas now, ya hear! ;)
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Hi! I'm a geoscience student specializing in GIS. I became interested in energy by magnets when my brothers developed a model in the 1970's when I was a little girl. However, they were not able to get it to work the way they wanted it to, but it did spin. Then I learned Biology, Geology, Geography, and Chemistry for my degree...a little bit of alot of things. I'm also a registered nurse. I live in rough terrain and drive a SUV, used to only have to drive occasionally, but have to drive alot lately, and the prices at $3.59 per gallon and our shrinking value of the dollar is not promising.
I decided I wanted to look into magnetic energy more when in Geology they brought up some new theories about a Push Pull mechanism in plate tectonics along with cell convection, a hard solid nickel and iron core in the center of the Earth, (not molten) and an electromagnetic field around Earth that protects us from harmful particles of the sun and causes the Earth to spin. The land itself has a magnetic force that as plates move can cause an increasing negative or positive declination from magnetic north reading on your compass as you move away from agonal lines. You can look up your declination on-line.
My area is -4 West. You just subtract 4 degrees from your compass reading to get the true magnetic reading. It changes 1 degree every 20 years because of the constant movement of the plates, but some plates move faster than others.
Now I'm researching on energy crisis and analysis of optional renewable resources, pros and cons. I found out some disappointing things. There was some information I found in a Journal about Poynting and Heaviside Component and the Lorentz effect to discard the Heaviside Component and 1/2 energy is used to destroy the dipole and 1/2 to power the loads and losses. The heaviside component is 10^13 times as much as the Poynting Component. A scientist discovered how to tap into the nondiverged energy (Heaviside) and proved it out to the Government but the other scientists were afraid of it because they did not understand where all that energy came from, called it "black energy," and discarded the whole thing.
I found out about Dr. Adams but he described having trouble with pattons being refused or made "military use only" and the knowledge of magnetic energy is not known around here.
Does anyone know more about the Poynting and Heaviside Components, and Lorentz effect?
I'm trying to tell EVERYONE at my university about this magnet motor and made a mini hybrid one to demonstrate the relationship of magnetism and electricity. I told the presidential candidates, but they keep going on about burning our food in spite of science predicting yearly droughts by 2030 in Europe and Global famine by 2060 due to climate changes and use of food for fuel and exponential population growth and increasing developments of more countries.
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Hi! I'm a geoscience student specializing in GIS. I became interested in energy by magnets when my brothers developed a model in the 1970's when I was a little girl. However, they were not able to get it to work the way they wanted it to, but it did spin. Then I learned Biology, Geology, Geography, and Chemistry for my degree...a little bit of alot of things. I'm also a registered nurse. I live in rough terrain and drive a SUV, used to only have to drive occasionally, but have to drive alot lately, and the prices at $3.59 per gallon and our shrinking value of the dollar is not promising.
I decided I wanted to look into magnetic energy more when in Geology they brought up some new theories about a Push Pull mechanism in plate tectonics along with cell convection, a hard solid nickel and iron core in the center of the Earth, (not molten) and an electromagnetic field around Earth that protects us from harmful particles of the sun and causes the Earth to spin. The land itself has a magnetic force that as plates move can cause an increasing negative or positive declination from magnetic north reading on your compass as you move away from agonal lines. You can look up your declination on-line.
My area is -4 West. You just subtract 4 degrees from your compass reading to get the true magnetic reading. It changes 1 degree every 20 years because of the constant movement of the plates, but some plates move faster than others.
Now I'm researching on energy crisis and analysis of optional renewable resources, pros and cons. I found out some disappointing things. There was some information I found in a Journal about Poynting and Heaviside Component and the Lorentz effect to discard the Heaviside Component and 1/2 energy is used to destroy the dipole and 1/2 to power the loads and losses. The heaviside component is 10^13 times as much as the Poynting Component. A scientist discovered how to tap into the nondiverged energy (Heaviside) and proved it out to the Government but the other scientists were afraid of it because they did not understand where all that energy came from, called it "black energy," and discarded the whole thing.
I found out about Dr. Adams but he described having trouble with pattons being refused or made "military use only" and the knowledge of magnetic energy is not known around here.
Does anyone know more about the Poynting and Heaviside Components, and Lorentz effect?
I'm trying to tell EVERYONE at my university about this magnet motor and made a mini hybrid one to demonstrate the relationship of magnetism and electricity. I told the presidential candidates, but they keep going on about burning our food in spite of science predicting yearly droughts by 2030 in Europe and Global famine by 2060 due to climate changes and use of food for fuel and exponential population growth and increasing developments of more countries.
Welcome GeoscienceStudent
Did you say that you made a mini hybrid magnet motor ?
If so can you make a U tube video or something like that?
I know how upsettng it must be to try to show people that there is a better way .....and find no interest .
It is sad .....but the people that should be working hardest at finding new solutions are doing nothing.
The people that could make the most difference have a vested interest in keeping everything the way it is.
Our economy is based in a large part on energy ........ No one that is near the top of the food chain will risk shaking the tree .....
If one country developed free energy and was able to keep it from the other country's it would eventually lead to war ..
We ALL NEED a better source of energy than oil ........ The only practical way to achieve it is through the little people ........ lots of little people tinkering around .......all over the world . .......
That is why most of us are here .
Just a word to the wise ........ I would be careful with the things you learn here . Our education systems are part of the way that ideas about creating more energy are suppressed . Anyone with more than half an education knows that over unity is not possible . And because it has been taught that it is impossible for several hundred years ......no one has given it much effort .. Also ...... our schools teach us ways to work around the " quirks " that make free energy possible.
If you try to show your professor how things really work ..........you may be totally right ....... and be able to prove it .......but you will probably flunk that class .
The professor has to teach what is accepted as true ....... not what IS true .
Once the little people of the world start providing themselves with free energy ..... the rest of the world will follow ....... professors and polatitions will follow the masses .
gary
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Hi my name is ResinRat2 and I am an oil-ahaulic..
From the moment I open my eyes and get out of bed I am burning some type of energy sourced from oil.
My car gets 18 miles to the gallon highway, and I travel every week day 24 miles round trip to work.(at least, plus errands etc.) This is because I am hooked on horsepower and I want at least 220 horses under my car hood. I LIKE POWER under my car's hood. I am addicted to it. So my weakness causes me to burn more oil.
Someday I want to own a Tesla electric car. Preferrably the sports car, but I sure don't want to pay almost a hundred grand for one. Sorry, can't afford it. I can't stomach driving one of those tiny fuel efficient cars, and I sure don't want to pay 22 grand for a Prius. The hybrids are a joke. It takes over ten years to get the difference in your money back. Forget it!!!! I am an addict.
My work as a Polymer Research Chemist gives me decent pay, but it is still rediculous how much energy costs.
I am researching everything physically possible to destroy the oil cartel's hold on us. They need to go!!!
Hopefully this is the year it starts to happen. Got my fingers crossed. Never give up, never surrender!!!
Thanks for listening. I am an oil addict; and I despise it with every ounce of my being. >:(
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The little motor I made, I got the idea off of utube. It's already on there by several people called "mono polar" or "unipolar" magnetic motor. I actually received help by one of my instructors to finally get it working right. I received an "A" on my report and the instructor took one of the motors home with him. Another instructor let me know he's going to keep an eye on this latest development because he's Pro-energy change professor too. There is also a Spanish teacher who referred me to a book and another student who referred me to one "Plan B" that was similar to the research I did.
We are encouraged at IUS to think outside of the box in the Geoscience Dept. I know that politics do guide the education though as my Biology teacher explained to us, yet it did not stop him from letting us know other theories besides Darwin anyways.
We even had David Hurst Thomas (Curator of Native American Museum, 4 Phd's in Anthropology) come to talk about his book, "Skull Wars," and he brought up about how scientists and education are enmeshed in politics, and often not quite so ethical in the name of "the greater good."
His book is really enlightening.
My neighbor and I are serious about finding a way to get off the oil. We only have about 41 years of Petroleum left, eighty something years of natural gas and 235 years of coal (2002 figures, Goode's Atlas 21st ed.) at the present rate we are using it.
Hydrology is often obtained by burning coal and petroleum and not readily availably to public.
Some of the cars that are hybrid are anywhere from $13500 to $108000. Some are not out until 2009.
Wind energy runs often at about 30% efficiency. We own 60% of shale oil but it's not as efficient or economic to obtain as petroleum which is why many countries switched. (China and Estonia currently still uses shale oil.
Solar energy beside being expensive has had problems with leakage of water tubes. Passive solar energy is ok though. Solar energy also is absorbed by oceans and the movement of warm water to cold can be harnessed as energy also, not to mention, solar energy causes wind due to warming causes lower pressure, and rising of air, thus high pressure cool air moves in to replace it (Hadley cells).
If you look up Magnet motors utube, you'll find all kinds of little gadgets. Even a hybrid magnet motorcycle by Japan.
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Today I got a new car (honda civic 97). My other one is a big 6 cyl. I am tired to pay for oil. I just downgraded my car (less luxe, no leather, no electric stuffs). Its a pain at the beginning but I will able to finally do my HHO cell in the next following week!
With my other car I just have no room to put anything inside the engine bay!
My first thing I will do is to put my MOD Catch Can, I made a filter and filled with silica gel, to do the same as the condensator. I cannot wait to see if I will catch stuffs with that thing!
After that I will connect my HHO cell on the catch can to send the HHO in the PCV valve instead of air filter.
Then, I will need to do the EFIE circuit for hacking the oxygen sensor.
I hope all this will help to do better mileage!
I was wondering if its possible to separate the Hydrogen and oxygen so to put the hydrogen inside the PCV and the oxygen inside the air filter?
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Here is what I'm learning in college. All the following observations come from textbooks and teachers:
A wild frenzy went up amongst scientists when Alfred Wegener stated his theory of continental drift. He was a meteorologist and came forth with proof showing how the continents fit together and fossils of same-types in now separated continents. Scientists argued he was not a real geologist, did not know what he was talking about because he could not explain the mechanism how the continents moved. In the 1950's the mid Atlantic ridge was discovered proving Wegener but reassessed and changed into what is now known as Plate Tectonics.
Darwin, who failed math, failed medical school and theology school finally was given a job thanks to his father-in-law as a naturalist. On Galapagos Islands he noticed a variety of fossils but similarities to other species. He wrote several books describing his theory of evolution. Another scientist, while suffering delusions from a malarial fever, wrote the same theory, but with greater detail. The two met, but it was decide that Darwin would receive all the credit. Biologists today admit his theory goes against the 2nd law of thermodynamics but state that under the curriculum accepted by Universities they have to teach the Theory anyways. A physicisist argued that the 2nd law of thermodynamics when applied to the theory of evolution was debunked because it just showed what occurs due to the radiation and heat of solar rays. He suggested that at the time electric bolts were flashing through methane gases and primordial goop that the solar rays had no effect on the results. They have tried to copy this but only came up with 17 amino acids (it takes 21 to make a complete protein) and then it immediately fell apart, being too unstable.
Scientists argue that the effects of man on the Earth are too insignificant and would not make any difference on Plate Tectonics, Volcanic Eruptions, or Earthquake. This was a geologists. Then in the very next sentence he describes how in Colorado they were having earthquakes and discovered it was due to putting contaminants, trash into a fault in Colorado. They stopped the dumping, the earthquakes subsided.
Scientist disproved the bumblebee could fly. It went against some law (I don't know which one). The bumble bee refused to bow under the pressure of politically inspired scientists and continued to fly.
Scientists are arguing that perpetual motion is against the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Yet in the same breath they send out shuttles loaded with satellites. When they move at a particular speed at a particlular direction desired (previously calculated) they let loose the satellite and it keeps moving that speed, that direction, not by any motor, or fire, or propulsion, until finally gravitational forces bring it down. Where is the change from a hotter environment to a colder environment in that? I'm still trying to figure this one out. I suppose maybe one guy was right and really they are just Hollywood devised movies like Star Wars and the satellites aren't really out there and the World is flat, tomatoes will kill you if you eat them because 100% people who eat them die from car wrecks, strokes, heart attacks, murder, accidents, etc. Heaviside component of energy is black voodoo energy and if a black cat crosses your path you'll have bad luck!
Energy cannot be created, it is the 4th state of matter, but scientists are apparently speaking out of two sides of the mouth when they say it can't be destroyed. If it can't be destroyed, then you should be able to recapture it, recycle it, thus use it over and over and over by regenerating your battery with it. You should be able to capture energy while your driving from the circular movement of your wheels or even turbines set up to capture the wind you face while you move and resend the energy harnessed back to your battery or generator. Why is this impossible and we are all called a bunch of crackpots saying we just broke the 2nd law of thermodynamics when we suggest this?
A Geoscientist Student who dares to be a "crackpot" and is working on a magnetic motor.
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Here is what I'm learning in college. All the following observations come from textbooks and teachers:
A wild frenzy went up amongst scientists when Alfred Wegener stated his theory of continental drift. He was a meteorologist and came forth with proof showing how the continents fit together and fossils of same-types in now separated continents. Scientists argued he was not a real geologist, did not know what he was talking about because he could not explain the mechanism how the continents moved. In the 1950's the mid Atlantic ridge was discovered proving Wegener but reassessed and changed into what is now known as Plate Tectonics.
Darwin, who failed math, failed medical school and theology school finally was given a job thanks to his father-in-law as a naturalist. On Galapagos Islands he noticed a variety of fossils but similarities to other species. He wrote several books describing his theory of evolution. Another scientist, while suffering delusions from a malarial fever, wrote the same theory, but with greater detail. The two met, but it was decide that Darwin would receive all the credit. Biologists today admit his theory goes against the 2nd law of thermodynamics but state that under the curriculum accepted by Universities they have to teach the Theory anyways. A physicisist argued that the 2nd law of thermodynamics when applied to the theory of evolution was debunked because it just showed what occurs due to the radiation and heat of solar rays. He suggested that at the time electric bolts were flashing through methane gases and primordial goop that the solar rays had no effect on the results. They have tried to copy this but only came up with 17 amino acids (it takes 21 to make a complete protein) and then it immediately fell apart, being too unstable.
Scientists argue that the effects of man on the Earth are too insignificant and would not make any difference on Plate Tectonics, Volcanic Eruptions, or Earthquake. This was a geologists. Then in the very next sentence he describes how in Colorado they were having earthquakes and discovered it was due to putting contaminants, trash into a fault in Colorado. They stopped the dumping, the earthquakes subsided.
Scientist disproved the bumblebee could fly. It went against some law (I don't know which one). The bumble bee refused to bow under the pressure of politically inspired scientists and continued to fly.
Scientists are arguing that perpetual motion is against the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Yet in the same breath they send out shuttles loaded with satellites. When they move at a particular speed at a particlular direction desired (previously calculated) they let loose the satellite and it keeps moving that speed, that direction, not by any motor, or fire, or propulsion, until finally gravitational forces bring it down. Where is the change from a hotter environment to a colder environment in that? I'm still trying to figure this one out. I suppose maybe one guy was right and really they are just Hollywood devised movies like Star Wars and the satellites aren't really out there and the World is flat, tomatoes will kill you if you eat them because 100% people who eat them die from car wrecks, strokes, heart attacks, murder, accidents, etc. Heaviside component of energy is black voodoo energy and if a black cat crosses your path you'll have bad luck!
Energy cannot be created, it is the 4th state of matter, but scientists are apparently speaking out of two sides of the mouth when they say it can't be destroyed. If it can't be destroyed, then you should be able to recapture it, recycle it, thus use it over and over and over by regenerating your battery with it. You should be able to capture energy while your driving from the circular movement of your wheels or even turbines set up to capture the wind you face while you move and resend the energy harnessed back to your battery or generator. Why is this impossible and we are all called a bunch of crackpots saying we just broke the 2nd law of thermodynamics when we suggest this?
A Geoscientist Student who dares to be a "crackpot" and is working on a magnetic motor.
Geoscientist
I guess your classes are preparing you for the real world better than I expected .
Or maybe people are becoming more aware of the problems than I gave them credit for .
The other day I was at the gym ..... I overheard some talk in the locker room ... one guy was talking about something he was thinking of doing ....... the reply from his friend was ...... you might as well go for it , the way things are looking this world only has about 20 more years .
I hope that you choose to share with us about your progress with your magnetic motor .
If we are going to turn this thing around ............we need all the " crackpots " that we can get .
:)
gary
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Question:
This is geology. It is believed that when subduction occurs in plate tectonics that the plate (basalt if oceanic plate) move down to such pressure that it finally gets hot and becomes molten magma, lava when it pushes back out to the earth's surface, then cools. But pressure and temperature are inversely proportionate so this has caused Physicists to pause. High pressure would result in cold and low pressure would result in hot. Now when we have the sun hitting the earth, it warms up the air and it raises, thus lowering the pressure. High pressure, cooler temperature from Hadley cells then move in (2nd law of thermodynamics at play here). Because cool temperatures hold less water than hot temperatures, this also causes it to rain.
In the space, we have a vacuum. If you are on Mars, and facing the sun, it's extremely hot. On the other side of Mars we have extreme cold. Now unlike water, that holds it temperature for longer periods, land mass absorbs energy quick, then loses it quick too. That is why the desert is hot in day, cold in night. But in the desert, it is because the distance away from the ITCZ zone why it is dry. The ITCZ zone moves along with the sun's movement North and South and thus the trade winds towards that mid zone also moves. Then we have the dead horse lattitudes where there is lack of winds. Then we have another zone further north and south of winds and rain effects and also corialis effect that will direct the direction of the winds in accordance of the spin of the Earth. I don't want to spend all day explaining this but take a look at space. We have Mars issue that we have extreme temperatures both ways in space. What is the change of Pressure?
Does this inverse proportion take effect in a vacuum, or under the Earth's surface, because according to these laws of Physics, Magma apparently does not exist, so someone is mistaken here?
Would zero point energy be a better explanation that takes effect here?
Can somebody answer this?
Is there a vacuum effect miles and miles under the plates? That maybe that is why there is such energy force at high pressure. There is definetely a magnetic attraction in all plates, we already know that. YOu can tell if you get your compass out and figure out your declination from true magnetic north. The Plate area under you will cause your compass to go off according to the turn of you declination.
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomagmodels/Declination.jsp
for declination.
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/
geomagnetism, you can get data on solar flare history, weather, geomagnetic history, etc.
I'm going to go now because I just came across some data for GIS I could use.
Beck
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Today I got a new car (honda civic 97). My other one is a big 6 cyl. I am tired to pay for oil. I just downgraded my car (less luxe, no leather, no electric stuffs). Its a pain at the beginning but I will able to finally do my HHO cell in the next following week!
With my other car I just have no room to put anything inside the engine bay!
My first thing I will do is to put my MOD Catch Can, I made a filter and filled with silica gel, to do the same as the condensator. I cannot wait to see if I will catch stuffs with that thing!
After that I will connect my HHO cell on the catch can to send the HHO in the PCV valve instead of air filter.
Then, I will need to do the EFIE circuit for hacking the oxygen sensor.
I hope all this will help to do better mileage!
I was wondering if its possible to separate the Hydrogen and oxygen so to put the hydrogen inside the PCV and the oxygen inside the air filter?
It's possible to separate Hydrogen and Oxygen by nuclear power because they do it in submarines. I came across something describing the use of electrolysis to do it, by Phil Stone but don't know what the results are. One problem is that the Sec. of Energy made some statement about all this being a hoax. He went on to state that perpetual motion and perpetual energy does not exist. He did not explain how we got all those satellites out there going around the Earth, though. Or how come my magnets move around and around when I apply the poles. (my problem is I don't have the right tools so my magnets are so strong, they suddenly break off on me so I've still got to fix that) but I know it can work. Dyson said you've got to make 300,000 prototypes that fail before you get one to work, but none are failures, because you learn something each time.
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Question:
This is geology. It is believed that when subduction occurs in plate tectonics that the plate (basalt if oceanic plate) move down to such pressure that it finally gets hot and becomes molten magma, lava when it pushes back out to the earth's surface, then cools. But pressure and temperature are inversely proportionate so this has caused Physicists to pause. High pressure would result in cold and low pressure would result in hot. Now when we have the sun hitting the earth, it warms up the air and it raises, thus lowering the pressure. High pressure, cooler temperature from Hadley cells then move in (2nd law of thermodynamics at play here). Because cool temperatures hold less water than hot temperatures, this also causes it to rain.
In the space, we have a vacuum. If you are on Mars, and facing the sun, it's extremely hot. On the other side of Mars we have extreme cold. Now unlike water, that holds it temperature for longer periods, land mass absorbs energy quick, then loses it quick too. That is why the desert is hot in day, cold in night. But in the desert, it is because the distance away from the ITCZ zone why it is dry. The ITCZ zone moves along with the sun's movement North and South and thus the trade winds towards that mid zone also moves. Then we have the dead horse lattitudes where there is lack of winds. Then we have another zone further north and south of winds and rain effects and also corialis effect that will direct the direction of the winds in accordance of the spin of the Earth. I don't want to spend all day explaining this but take a look at space. We have Mars issue that we have extreme temperatures both ways in space. What is the change of Pressure?
Does this inverse proportion take effect in a vacuum, or under the Earth's surface, because according to these laws of Physics, Magma apparently does not exist, so someone is mistaken here?
Would zero point energy be a better explanation that takes effect here?
Can somebody answer this?
Is there a vacuum effect miles and miles under the plates? That maybe that is why there is such energy force at high pressure. There is definetely a magnetic attraction in all plates, we already know that. YOu can tell if you get your compass out and figure out your declination from true magnetic north. The Plate area under you will cause your compass to go off according to the turn of you declination.
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomagmodels/Declination.jsp
for declination.
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/
geomagnetism, you can get data on solar flare history, weather, geomagnetic history, etc.
I'm going to go now because I just came across some data for GIS I could use.
Beck
I thought temperature and pressure were directly proportional. At least with gases. This is what I have always been taught. Water is an exception in that it is less dense in the sold state (hence ice floats). Other liquids do not behave this way. And it is a good thing water is the exception, or our oceans would never thaw out but be always frozen at the bottom, probably preventing life from ever forming.
Also, there is no vacuum on Mars. Mars has an atmosphere.
Maybe if you could clear up these confusing statements we could go further. You do raise interesting points, but I am bothered by some of the assumptions.
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Thanks for the information. Yes with gases temperature and pressure are directly propotionate and with climate we get hot air that causes a lowered pressure and the cold higher pressure will move towards the lowered pressure. Since you bring this up about water, the rain droplets move up and down with the heat and cold even though they are wrapped around a dust particle. Does heat allow things with higher density to rise also? the water apparently melts, then pulls more droplets then goes up, freezes, falls down until it drops. There is an index that has something to do with how cold it is and how much humidity it can hold as to when it finally rains.
But what about solids and pressure vs temperature? How would that apply with plate tectonics? Would the higher pressure also of solids actually cause higher temperatures, or would it have to involve zpe? 4/24 Geologist explains, no zpe involved, is radiation, convection and Dynamo effect electromagnetic energy I just read quantum physics has to be used to explain geophysics but its not required to learn physics for geosciences, so trying to use classical basic physics is confusing me. I'm thinking of switching to physics after I finish my geoscience in the fall.
So no vacuum in Mars, I guess I used a bad example, but someone else explained the lack of friction in space allows the satellites to move and if energy was extracted it would slow it down. 4/24 found out Mars has ice caps both water and CO2, small atmosphere compared to Earths
... Just found a site that explains this pressure thing I'm trying to describe.http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/wwhlpr/constant_pressure_surface.rxml?hret=/guides/mtr/fw/prs/prstmp.rxml
It's saying as the temperature goes up, the height goes up then the pressure goes down.Pressure decreases with height. This might be why I'm misunderstanding. Cooling changes the height, lowers the height and the pressure increases. http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/fw/prs/prstmp.rxml
Now what happens when dealing with subduction of matter? Does the lowering of the height (basically minus altitude) cause the pressure to also increase? Besides the fact it's going under the other plate, I mean? And how would this effect temperature? There was some talk a few years back stating some scientists did not think this alone would cause the temperatures to get as high as they do. So I'm wondering about quantum physics, and how would it explain this? 4/24 Geologist explains involves radiation also, which also is involved in fact that core and asthenosphere is solid
I'm wondering if also maybe there is more involved in magnetism that causes the push pull effect of plate tectonics along with cell convection. They tell and show us the magnetic polarization, North and South, they show the magnetic directions of each plate, some are a little askewed due to plates moving west and east then turning up or down when pushed by a lower or higher plate. They mentioned the newest theory of the push-pull but did not put the magnetic issue necessarily with it. Yet at the diversional plate it has two sides of the same polar dirction, the next outside of it is opposite, the next is opposite and so on. Opposites attract and same repel, so this is making me think???? Why don't they explain it?
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Just thought of something when pondering orographic precipitation... The water will go down (rain and not continue all the way up with the warmer air. Cold air is dense, so it goes lower and is why it has higher atmospheric pressure. There is a humidity factor that each temperature has of how much % water it will hold, so disregard my former question on dense water molecules rising. I forgot about the orographic .
Also found out the earth is hot all the way through but involves radiation as to why some parts are solid. It will eventually lose all its heat (millions of years) and go cold. Does anybody know...
Will it implode eventually?
Or remain a nonturning floating piece of mass?... I seem to remember something about stars are actually former planets that exploded millions of years ago..??
Someone told me that for about a thousand or more dollars, you could have your present car made to be able to use ethanol fuels.. Instead of buying these expensive new ones. There's maps on geographical survey sites for your state that show distribution points of biodiesel and ethanol fuels. Seems a shame though that they burn potatoes, corn, rice, and other grains for fuel. Why couldn't they stick to non food items...even trash as it decays puts of useable methane.
If they burned sugar cane and beets that would not be so bad..raise the price of sugar, lower you consumption (as a food source) save money on dental and medical bills for tooth decay, hyperglycemia, hardening of the arteries (sugar can increase chances of it) and obesity that's 1/3 population of US and I hear also UK.
It would do us a favor. Lets reduce our sugar intake. However there is no "wonder" answer because only so much sugar can be produced and not enough for the whole world, but we might at least help our own country. Unfortunately I can just see politics sneaking in trying to solve global problems by sending all the ethanol to other countries for global trade (yes I understand we have to have global economy, but not to the level of destroying your own economy, food sources, or natural resources that you don't really have enough of) Then those countries will send us back poisoned toothpaste and lead filled toys..etc.
I don't think we can solve global problems, they are too complex with uncertainty factors and evil greedy business minded dictators. You got to concentrate on what you can change, and if it can include other countries without negative impacts, all the better.
What's your perspective on this?
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Hi guys, my name is Charlie and I'm an electrical engineering PhD student working full time at a national laboratory. 40 hours a week, plus school and a new baby - I'm staying pretty busy! Once I finish school I'm hoping to get a staff position at the lab - fingers crossed.
Although my current research deals with trace explosive detection, my passion is for energy generation and magnetic field interactions. For the past two years I've been shooting around ideas on permanent magnet generators - actually it's been longer than that but I've only recently became serious about them.
I've tried several things that ended up not working, but I gained a lot from them. I started out trying various shielding methods, those failed because the shield takes on the same magnetic field polarity that the coil's core would have - this mostly happens at the edges of the shield as it approaches, despite the thickness of the shield. Perhaps curling the edges of the shield would help, but this was a feeble effect anyway, so I abandoned it. I've since found myself working on ways of "redirecting" the field that seem to hold much more promise. More particularly, I believe it might be possible to "buffer" a coil from a moving magnet by using a stationary magnet between the two. The trick here is to balance the forces so that the moving magnet moves with the least possible force. My ultimate goal is to have a generator where back torque does not affect the prime mover.
I was actually in the process of building a prototype but it had to be postponed due to finals. Maybe someday I'll be able to work on my own research.