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Author Topic: Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?  (Read 9283 times)

Offline achilles

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Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?
« on: April 12, 2008, 09:17:41 AM »
As a free energy enthusiast who can only sense a palatable excitement in your posts, my question is this:

Has Over Unity been replicated based on the Meyers Water Fuel Cell design?


If yes, why hasn't the technology been made public?   

If no, how close are we? Or are we chasing a mirage?


I get the feeling Over Unity as per Meyers design is possible.   But successful inventors sit on their discovery.  Why?

This is exactly what Corporations and the Establishment have done - suppress revolutionary technology for their own benefit and profit.


I'm not going to browbeat those who have cracked the code.   Its every persons right to do what they wish with the technology.

My opinion on the matter (and that of many others) --- such a revolutionary breakthrough would have profound, VAST and LASTING benefits for entire Mankind.


Africa could be irrigated and farmed at little-to-no cost.

Starvation. Gone.


Hydro Carbons would be relegated to the dustbin of history (save plastics).   

Oil Wars.  Gone.

Terrorist financing.  Gone.

Fossil Fuel Pollution.  Gone.

Global Warming.  Gone.


The Economic benefits for the Earth would be staggering:

The entire Third World could be developed overnight. 

Industrial capacity around the world run at ~zero cost.

Products across-the-board become drastically cheaper. 

Consumers have far more wealth to spend on homes, food, Education, leisure, Business Investment.

This creates massive economic growth and wealth for all 6 Billion of us.


This type of technology represents a breakthrough of Biblical proportions. 

Tens of Millions will be saved from starvation, each year.

Billions more will work themselves out of poverty into a Better Life.

Education will become far more affordable and accessible to Billions.

The Military-Industrial Complex will take a huge hit.  No more Oil Wars = no more dead Muslims.   Hundreds of Thousands of lives saved.

Global Warming becomes a thing of the past.

Industrial pollution and its ravenous affects on ecological health evaporate overnight.

Every single human is instantly enriched and we enter a new Economic Renaissance not seen since the Industrial Revolution or the invention of the Locomotive.


All because of Water.

And the Few Intrepid Souls who had the Courage to stand up and do the Right Thing.


Those of you who are sitting on the fence with a working model --  you deserve to be compensated for your hard work and contribution to humanity.

No doubt about it.

If I could create a public fund guaranteeing each inventor X millions of dollars in exchange for a working prototype, schematics, and a Public User License to ensure EVERY PERSON ON EARTH CAN FREELY USE THE TECHNOLOGY (and not one or two selfish inventors or Corporations).....................how much do you want?

How much is fair value for your hard work and ingenuity to bring humanity into a new era prosperity and peace?

I eagerly await your response.






« Last Edit: April 14, 2008, 09:03:18 PM by achilles »

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Re: Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2008, 06:30:25 PM »
So no one has replicated Stans work??


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Re: Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2008, 09:06:24 PM »
No, no one has come forward with a working Stan Meyer device yet. Ravi and Lawton have made nice looking replications but the amount of gases produced is still not enough to be used for on demand purposes.

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Re: Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2008, 09:18:03 PM »
Howdy Achilles,

I agree that having a fuel sources as clean an abundant as water would be a revolutionary, world changing thing.  But have you thought about the consequences?  First we would be burning something that is vital to our survival.  I know this is out there, but what happens when we have a water shortage.  Water prices go through the roof.  There would be water wars, water smuggling, water terrorism.  Much like it is now with oil, except supplanted by water.  Like life on Mongo.  Now some would say that there is an unlimited amount of water on our planet.  Is there?  It kind of seems that someone said that about oil around the turn of the twentieth century.  You will never know that there are limits, until there is a crisis.

I'm all for water technologies.  It would really cleanup our planet, and put the robber baron oil men in their place.  But knowing the human race, we would gluttonize it until its gone.

I know what we'll say too.  There is more than enough water to last beyond my lifetime, so I don't need to conserve.  By the time we run out of water we'll have found a new source of energy.  The next generation is far smarter than we are, they'll figure it out.  Always passing the buck to our Grandchildren, and making them suffer.  How do I know?  I inherited all my Grandfather's problems, oil shortages, pollution, radioactive waste, ozone holes, national debt, countries that hate us...

Then imagine life, or lack there of, without water....

Whoa! Dude!

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Re: Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2008, 09:32:17 PM »
So over unity hasn't been achieved = power out > power in??

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Re: Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2008, 11:32:35 PM »
Howdy Achilles,

I agree that having a fuel sources as clean an abundant as water would be a revolutionary, world changing thing.  But have you thought about the consequences?  First we would be burning something that is vital to our survival.  I know this is out there, but what happens when we have a water shortage.  Water prices go through the roof.  There would be water wars, water smuggling, water terrorism.  Much like it is now with oil, except supplanted by water.  Like life on Mongo.  Now some would say that there is an unlimited amount of water on our planet.  Is there?  It kind of seems that someone said that about oil around the turn of the twentieth century.  You will never know that there are limits, until there is a crisis.

I'm all for water technologies.  It would really cleanup our planet, and put the robber baron oil men in their place.  But knowing the human race, we would gluttonize it until its gone.

I know what we'll say too.  There is more than enough water to last beyond my lifetime, so I don't need to conserve.  By the time we run out of water we'll have found a new source of energy.  The next generation is far smarter than we are, they'll figure it out.  Always passing the buck to our Grandchildren, and making them suffer.  How do I know?  I inherited all my Grandfather's problems, oil shortages, pollution, radioactive waste, ozone holes, national debt, countries that hate us...

Then imagine life, or lack there of, without water....

Whoa! Dude!


Thanks for the input, Monkey.

Some simple math should put your mind at ease:

The earth has an estimated 1.4 Billion Km^3 of water.

1 km^3 of water = 6.2 Billion Barrels.


Assume:

1)  90,000,000 barrels a day (oil) consumed current
2)  to err on the conservative --- 1 unit of oil produces 10x more energy than 1 unit of water


Therefore:

900,000,000 barrels of water a day are needed.

That means every ~6 days the entire planet burns only ONE Km^3 of water -- from 1.4 BILLION Km^3 available.

For perspective, after 10 years, humans would burn only 608 Km^3 of water --- roughly 0.000043%

It would take humans 233,333 YEARS to burn only ONE PERCENT of the earths total water.


Within a couple hundred years max, humans will have discovered or perfected other, cheaper forms of FE (cold fusion) etc.

Perhaps you'd agree now, that we really are just talking about a drop in a bucket ;)










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Re: Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2008, 12:13:30 AM »
@ z.monkey & All

Not sure why but this always comes up in these types of discussion:

HHO technologies waste water???? HUHHHH????

Water is split into Hydrogen and Oxygen then recombined in the combustion process.

Thanks,
Paul

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Re: Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2008, 12:56:53 AM »
Howdy,
I was aware that we have an throughly excessive supply of water, and that water is the by product of burning HHO.  I think these water technologies are a great idea.  I would like to build an HHO electrolyzer with a digital control system.  Look at these posts.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4293.0.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4458.0.html

Those other questions are something that we need to explore before we start using water for fuel.  Will we have a water crisis? Probably not.  But do you think the oil men ask themselves those questions 150 years ago?  Probably not.  I am concerned about generating a future crisis that my descendants will have to rectify.

I am interested in HHO to keep my car moving, but I am also interested in zero point energy to keep my house powered. Of course if you don't mind the noise you could always power your house with HHO.  Running a generator on HHO would be simpler that supplying it to a car.  The generator runs at one speed, while a car accelerates, that is a difficult problem for HHO production.

The first of those links is a idea for pulse width modulated control of and HHO system using high voltage supplied by a ignition coil.  We can make it better by using a microcontroller to monitor sensor inputs like RPM, exhaust oxygen sensor, and throttle position to regulate the production of the HHO in the electrolyzer.

I am attaching a schematic.

Have Fun...

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Re: Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2008, 04:20:29 AM »
@ z.monkey

Didn't mean to imply you didn't know about HHO recombination to water and please accept my apologies if it came out that way. 

I just added my 2 cents to try and stop Achilles from going down the wrong train of thought about HHO powered ICE's :)  And thanks for the links, I liked the one about the PWM and coils, been thinking along those lines as well, so thanks!  I'll definitely keep that one in mind :)

@ achilles

There's many people thinking that splitting water to HHO and burning it will turn the world into a desert when in fact it's a closed system of returning water to it's previous state of liquid after combustion.  There is even documentation pointing to the water once burned coming out in a purer (less poluted) state than the water you started with!!!  So there's many more gains to using this method if it ever becomes feasible than our current state of using hydrocarbon fuels which is destroying our planet with polution. 

With respect,

Paul



 

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Re: Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2008, 02:51:39 AM »
Lets take another angle.

Assuming a few working models exist....

How can inventors remain anonymous and still go public with the information?

Can compensation be anonymously awarded to those inventors concerned about their safety?


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Re: Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2008, 03:05:24 AM »
ACH  have you heard of Bob Boyce?  A whole pail load of guys are replicating his device on a water car group can't remember which one   Google Bob Boyce

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Re: Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2008, 04:46:05 AM »
I agree that having a fuel sources as clean an abundant as water would be a revolutionary, world changing thing.  But have you thought about the consequences?  First we would be burning something that is vital to our survival.  I know this is out there, but what happens when we have a water shortage.  Water prices go through the roof.  There would be water wars, water smuggling, water terrorism.  Much like it is now with oil, except supplanted by water.  Like life on Mongo.  Now some would say that there is an unlimited amount of water on our planet.  Is there?  It kind of seems that someone said that about oil around the turn of the twentieth century.  You will never know that there are limits, until there is a crisis.

When you burn hydrogen, the result is steam. Would this not be 100% efficiency with zero waste. The water vapor simply will return to the ground/atmosphere. Right?
So where is the loss, if any?

Lexridge


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Re: Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2008, 04:07:55 PM »
Bob Boyce's cell design is a nice piece of work, although, the expense of the cell alone will cost well over $1000.00. No one, including Bob himself, has shown a successful replication yet. If there has been any device proven to work, I'm sure the desire for fortune has taken over and the tech has once again been kept from the public as open source information.

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Re: Changing the World: Has Meyers OU Been Replicated?
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2008, 04:40:05 PM »
HB  BOB ran race boats for years with his setup  granted raceboats have two speeds stop and goooo....   but he is dedicated to public release of his tech  and will make this work in cars    if 1000.00 scares you [your estimate ] for a hand made prototype [before any kind of mass production savings] I think this is not realistic on your part     PS Bob is a true HERO the first to put the needs of many in front of his own   and in june will show a running conversion    Chet

 

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