Author Topic: Special battery charguer, Is this possible to do? (Read 6980 times)

Magnethos · « **on:** April 12, 2008, 12:21:08 AM »

Look at this:
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4784/batterydevicekq0.th.jpg)

If this possible? High Volts don?t mean hundreds of volts, instead it means more volts than amperes. But I can give the exactly amount to the device of volts and amps.

This is possible to do? I have 2 cells, one giving a good amount of volts and the another a good amount of amps. Can I make a fussion to give the needed energy to the battery charger? How?

pese · « **Reply #1 on:** April 12, 2008, 09:49:49 AM »

for the "normal" pysical lows, you can only
transfer, charge, ore transorm. the POWER
(sy "Watt" that you have in the souce to send in the INPUT
of "carger transorormer or other devices)

In any way if you transfore , caharge ,or store in battery /condensor
and so on.
ONLY the Watts comes out (less losts), that you put insige.

Any transformation of Voltages OR currents withcahange the 2. value.
So in any way the Voltages muiltiplied with the Ampers will shown you the WATTs (Power)

V timme Amps = Watt (vA).

Ify you charge batteries or condensor , and use the to power devices with them.
You will als calculated the time, that you charge AND he time to "deload" the charge (unload).
So you have an Value as. Watt/hours. that will compared Input to output.
Normal batterieas (cad , lead enz. you must calculate about 20 % losses.

Pese

Koen1 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 14, 2008, 02:53:37 PM »

Quote from: Magnethos on April 12, 2008, 12:21:08 AM

Look at this:
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4784/batterydevicekq0.th.jpg)

If this possible? High Volts don?t mean hundreds of volts, instead it means more volts than amperes. But I can give the exactly amount to the device of volts and amps.

This is possible to do? I have 2 cells, one giving a good amount of volts and the another a good amount of amps. Can I make a fussion to give the needed energy to the battery charger? How?

Well you're being a little too vague for me; what eactly do you mean?
Do you mean to say you have 2 power sources of which one outputs voltage at almost no amperage, and the other
outputs amperage at almost no voltage, and you want to combine the two to get the combination of voltage and amperage?
That won't work. Like Pese says, you can only transform one into the other. So if you have many volts, you can
trafo them into lower volts higher amps, and if you have many amps you can trafo them into higher volts lower amps,
but simply adding the voltage and amperage of two seperate sources up doesn't work. You could wire them to seperate
transfomer primaries I guess, and trafo the voltage down to a lower voltage at acceptable amperage, while you trafo the
other sources' amperage down to lower amps at acceptable voltage, and then take the resulting combined output
off the secondary...
But that's not exactly the same thing as sticking the volt cell on top of the amp cell and getting volts plus amps out.

For the rest of your question, it is a little bit too vague for me to answer.
Please rephrase more clearly?

triffid · « **Reply #3 on:** April 14, 2008, 04:20:33 PM »

What it looks like to me is that you are asking if a step up transformer and a step down transformer
can be combined into the same box giving you two very different outputs.I would say the answer is yes to getting two different outputs from the same box.But it takes a lot of work to design the circuits
and build the device.It would be a custom job.Triffid

triffid · « **Reply #4 on:** April 14, 2008, 04:25:19 PM »

Try to find a book on electronics design or a physics book with an electronics section in it.Start at the library if you can't afford to buy your own.triffid

Koen1 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 14, 2008, 04:52:36 PM »

@triffid:

I am pretty sure that's not what he meant...
After all he did say:

Quote

I have 2 cells, one giving a good amount of volts and the another a good amount of amps. Can I make a fussion to give the needed energy to the battery charger?

so it seems he is looking for a way to merge the output of a low voltage high amp source with the output of a high voltage low amp source
to try and get a high voltage high amp source, which he wants to use to run his battery charger on.
I think the only way to merge the outputs is something along the lines of the transformer idea I mentioned,
using the two power sources to feed two primary coils properly wired to obtain a nice flux in a core, then take the
output off the secondary...
But it seems to me that that cannot increase the total power output at all.
After all, volts times amps equals watts. If source A puts out 100V at 0.001 amps that amounts to 0.1 Watts,
if source B puts out 0.001V at 100amps that amounts to 0.1 Watts, the two combined can never give more than 0.2 Watts.
What Magnethos seems to be asking is: can we merge the two into a source C with 100V at 100amps?
The answer to that is simply: no. After all, that would mean that source C puts out 10,000 Watts, which is slightly more than 0.2 Watts.
Only 9.9998 kiloWatts of a difference.

Quite huge.

Magnethos · « **Reply #6 on:** April 14, 2008, 08:33:45 PM »

Quote from: Koen1 on April 14, 2008, 04:52:36 PM

@triffid:

I am pretty sure that's not what he meant...
After all he did say:
Quote
I have 2 cells, one giving a good amount of volts and the another a good amount of amps. Can I make a fussion to give the needed energy to the battery charger?
so it seems he is looking for a way to merge the output of a low voltage high amp source with the output of a high voltage low amp source
to try and get a high voltage high amp source, which he wants to use to run his battery charger on.
I think the only way to merge the outputs is something along the lines of the transformer idea I mentioned,
using the two power sources to feed two primary coils properly wired to obtain a nice flux in a core, then take the
output off the secondary...
But it seems to me that that cannot increase the total power output at all.
After all, volts times amps equals watts. If source A puts out 100V at 0.001 amps that amounts to 0.1 Watts,
if source B puts out 0.001V at 100amps that amounts to 0.1 Watts, the two combined can never give more than 0.2 Watts.
What Magnethos seems to be asking is: can we merge the two into a source C with 100V at 100amps?
The answer to that is simply: no. After all, that would mean that source C puts out 10,000 Watts, which is slightly more than 0.2 Watts.
Only 9.9998 kiloWatts of a difference. Quite huge.

Yes Koen1, I mean exactly that. Sorry for my poor english but I tried to explain it the best that I can.
As you have said Koen, IÃ‚Â´m trying to do that:
Source A: puts out 100V at 0.001 amps
Source B: puts out 0.001V at 100amps
What IÃ‚Â´m trying to obtain: Source C-> 100V at 100amps

The idea was this: take the amperes from source B, and the voltage from source A to obtain a high amount of energy on source C.

I was thinking on that idea, because I "designed" a device where you can obtain the voltage that you want, but at little amperage. Is a water battery:
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3318/waterblockjpgdt5.th.jpg)
Note: the picture shows an old design of the WaterBlock Cell, and there isnÃ‚Â´t the "Side Cells" that must be putting out enough amperage. This device only shows the main cell.

I can get more amperes from the water battery, but I must to increase the size of the wires a lot, and if I want to obtain a lot on watts, I must to increase the size of the device a lot. So, I thought... well, I can put a main cell (the center cell), that can put out X Volts at little amperage, and... How can I obtain enough amperage? And my possible answer was: ok, I can put two big electrodes at each side of the cell. So, if I have a big electrodes at the sides, I would have a good amount of amperes. So, if I merge the main cell that it putting out a good amount of volts, and the side cells, that are putting out a good amount of amperes.... I can get enough watts?

If you put more electrodes, you will get more volts.
If you put bigger electrodes, you will get more amperes.

But the answers is not...

Koen1 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 14, 2008, 09:38:24 PM »

Quote from: Magnethos on April 14, 2008, 08:33:45 PM

Yes Koen1, I mean exactly that. Sorry for my poor english but I tried to explain it the best that I can.

Hey no problem man, I figured it out in the end

Quote

As you have said Koen, I?m trying to do that:
Source A: puts out 100V at 0.001 amps
Source B: puts out 0.001V at 100amps
What I?m trying to obtain: Source C-> 100V at 100amps

The idea was this: take the amperes from source B, and the voltage from source A to obtain a high amount of energy on source C.

ok, so I did understand correctly.

Quote

I was thinking on that idea, because I "designed" a device where you can obtain the voltage that you want, but at little amperage. Is a water battery:
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3318/waterblockjpgdt5.th.jpg)
Note: the picture shows an old design of the WaterBlock Cell, and there isn?t the "Side Cells" that must be putting out enough amperage. This device only shows the main cell.
I can get more amperes from the water battery, but I must to increase the size of the wires a lot, and if I want to obtain a lot on watts, I must to increase the size of the device a lot. So, I thought... well, I can put a main cell (the center cell), that can put out X Volts at little amperage, and... How can I obtain enough amperage? And my possible answer was: ok, I can put two big electrodes at each side of the cell. So, if I have a big electrodes at the sides, I would have a good amount of amperes. So, if I merge the main cell that it putting out a good amount of volts, and the side cells, that are putting out a good amount of amperes.... I can get enough watts?

If you put more electrodes, you will get more volts.
If you put bigger electrodes, you will get more amperes.

But the answers is not...

Hold on there.
First of all: can you give me some more info on that water cell? (a website maybe?) It sounds interesting.
Second: Although it is not possible to transform the low wattage into high wattage simply by using one hV lowA primary
and one lowV highA primary, you have just said something that might enable you to get more power out...
Now remember, I have not studied this WaterBlock Cell yet so I cannot be entirely sure,
but it sounds like "simply" using a lot more and bigger electrodes should increase both voltage and amperage output...
Or it should, if it really is a matter of "more electrodes => more volts, bigger electrodes => more amps".
... but to be sure I really need to read up on the WaterBlock thing.

Magnethos · « **Reply #8 on:** April 14, 2008, 09:52:23 PM »

Hi again Koen1,
I have designed (in the picture program) and give the name to the WaterBlock Cell, so... I can?t give you a website where you can get more information. The only thing that I can say to you is that I get the idea from youtube videos, so.. see these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-GAvA0YCxE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdgnDHR2M5A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw2bsqh86nA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZfsWwrivec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_MRRpd94Cs
In these videos, you can see the main concept.

The second one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B601aMfBirw
In this, you can see the water battery inventor. This cell, work in a diferent fashion. I think it uses a combination of magnesium and carbone powder, like the nopopo cells.
Nopopo cells: http://www.google.es/search?as_q=nopopo&hl=es&num=10&btnG=Buscar+con+Google&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=lang_en&cr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images

There are others, that can put out 10Watts(not sure), but these ones uses nanotechnology, so... we can?t replicate it.

Note: this kind of energy, only uses water (not hydrogen or something similar).

I?m goingo to extend this info. (I?M DRAWING THE PLANS RIGHT NOW. WHEN I END THE PLANS, I WILL PUT THEM HERE)

Update 1
I have some plans of some devices that I have designed that maybe some are free energy devices. One of these, I?m 95% sure that is free energy device and is based on the waterblock cell and some combinations with other devices. I will post it maybe tomorrow.

I have found some water-powered clocks:
http://www.unpluggedliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/water-powered-alarm-clock.jpg

And I?m printing now the patent of a 1956 device who claims that is capable to put ot 100 volts at 10 amps, and it seems to be like the waterblock cell. The main difference is that the device uses a 300Mhz frequency to obtain more energy from water and this device can put out energy 70 years!!

http://www.geekalerts.com/h20-multi-function-alarm-clock/

The design that I told to you. Merge volts with amps.
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9711/olddsignly3.th.jpg)

Koen1 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 14, 2008, 10:19:22 PM »

Wow thanks!

I'll need to read that stuff through,
but I really appreciate you putting all this info up here.

Will be back after reading it all. May take a day or so as I'm very busy,
but I'll definately reply. Thanks again.

triffid · « **Reply #10 on:** April 15, 2008, 01:18:28 PM »

Yeah,it looks like I had no clue as to what he was talking about.Triffid

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