Phase shifts can ALSO be gained by using three separate SPECIFIC frequencies, all denoted from the center frequency.
2. After experimentation with my scope, and reading Mr. Mark's letters I do not think the kicks are something you produce, they are something you seek to make sure your coil is tuned properly with the frequency. An ordinary coil, connected to the output of my variable frequency square wave oscillator (fancy way of saying breadboarded 555 astable setup) demonstrated extreme kicks with certain frequencies. The control coil could be adjusted to the frequency using a scope in this manner, by removing length until kicks at said frequency are evident. In Tesla's concept, until the coil "rings".
I can probably dust off my old control circuitry and generate those pulse trains without any problem--I even have some ideas for the coil setup. The only big question remaining is: where is the power amplification taking place?
When testing, will we see the power output occur on a normally wound toroidal secondary, or only on the 90-degree coils, I wonder...
Once again the RMF rears it's ugly head, like Nessie out of Loch Ness...Nice joke! So you are comparing those lonely sine-waves to Nessie? ;)
Why not just take a 3-phase motor and replace its rotor with a coil? Guess it won't work, because this overunity FX is not about rotating mag field. Rotating mag field may cause ether inertia effects to manifest, but do you really think it produces electric potential higher than what you have on your coils?
I think it won't work without MOSFET pulsing like Otto's TPU=ECD. While I disagree that this device "converts" these pulses, the sharp pulses MOSFET produces is what extracts energy. Any pure sinusoidal oscillations - be them acoustic or electric do not have DC component in them, they are not abrupt. Even thinking in resonance terms won't help.Why not just take a 3-phase motor and replace its rotor with a coil? Guess it won't work, because this overunity FX is not about rotating mag field. Rotating mag field may cause ether inertia effects to manifest, but do you really think it produces electric potential higher than what you have on your coils?
Actually, yes. Yes I do.
Output therefore is determinable just like any other generation system, depending upon the winding style of the collectors.There won't be any surplus energy. It's sad this is not obvious to you. The 'sine wave' output Otto got is actually a serie of "sine-wave" wavelets, there is no continuous sine wave available by itself, no filters no nothing. Not to note this combined "sinewave" provides a lot of energy at a given voltage, because this voltage is genuinely not from the circuitry: circuitry does not and cannot have that energy. The only thing I hope somebody tries is to use collector coil as an antenna - not as a part of circuitry.
The only thing I hope somebody tries is to use collector coil as an antenna - not as a part of circuitry.
An antenna to receive what?Well, antenna does not receive anything. It is staying in a higher potential field acting as a terminal on a battery. The energy is taken from everywhere it can be taken, even via matter disintegration.
We must identify the source of energy first. If magnetism can some manipulate gravity or the Earths own magnetic
field the we may get something.
Instead of winding three control windings covering different portions of the tpu od would it work out better to have three windings wound around the whole circumference that are next to each other. Route the feed from the pass filter so that there is a directional shift of energy with each set of turns representing a pole.Sounds pretty logical. In Tesla's patent we see 4 windings around circumference. I thought that you can actually use any number of them.
It is already assumed that a mosfet power stage is used (I want to hit the controls with at least half an amp, not the piddly 200ma my 555 can source.). However, a mosfet, or other transistor, will reproduce the signal applied. If you hit it with square waves, it will produce square waves.Otto's MOSFETs exhibit avalanche performance, so on every square wave attack front they produce a saw-tooth instead, with a gross spike (~400V).
Im working with high voltage sine waves.How's progress going? Well, I do not believe you can achieve anything overunity with just sinewaves, or just square waves be them high voltage or low voltage without high spikes - if that wasn't the case almost every DC motor with a driver would exhibit overunity - if you are unaware, rotation speed of DC motors can be regulated by means of square waves with varying duty cycle. I believe abrupt spiking is a very important thing in this whole business - and I've shown the reason for this (Dirac delta function is a model of such spike, and when applied to acoustics it means much more).
I know that you all know the Tesla patent 381 970. I also was "familiar" with this patent.Well, you should have noted that Tesla uses brushes. During motor rotation they produce spikes (sparkles) - much like from your MOSFETs. These spikes are pulsing thinner coils that are arranged in two-phase manner. Collectors (thick coils) are also arranged in two-phase manner. Due to nature of this motor/brush system the spikes produced on the thinner coils are mostly RANDOM with a frequency bump that depends on the frequency of the motor.
Why always in my little garage such "successes"??? Better I would make something else.Maybe try to completely decouple collector and control? Just imagine you've connected your control coil to wall outlet. It will burn together with your PS. I believe the same happens when you "tune" your circuitry. Decoupling means control circuitry should not share ground with collector, it should be ungrounded or the surplus energy will flow both paths, through the control circuitry as well. Maybe also try to use "antenna" approach I've mentioned meaning you should not connect collector with the control circuitry via wires. Note that Tesla's power loads on that patent are also not wire-connected with the pulsing coils - induction is in use.
Hopefully this way we can clear up a bunch of the hype surrounding fast rotating magnetic fields once and for all! ;DWell, I hope so :) Thanks for your devotion to this topic in general, it's always interesting to see new findings along these lines!
ALL THREE FREQUENCIES ARE FED INTO A SINGLE WIRE SIMULTANEOUSLY. You will learn why below.
3. How to feed the necessary frequencies to the appropriate coils, and do so using feedback from the output.
This hit me like a thunderbolt. Since the output is pulsed DC, at three frequencies, all that is required to "tap" the output is a blocking diode, with a resistor or thermistor to limit current to the control coils. This IS FED TO A THREE WAY CROSSOVER, which splits one signal into three, and routes said signals to the appropriate control coil inputs!!!!!!!!!!
I THOUGHT THAT STUPID "CONTROL" IN THE CENTER OF THE 17" TPU LOOKED FAMILIAR!
The oscillator circuits feed three mosfets, each connected by matched resistors to positive, fed through diodes into a single wire into the crossover. ALL TPU CIRCUIT GROUNDS ARE SHARED.
Why not just take a 3-phase motor and replace its rotor with a coil? Guess it won't work, because this overunity FX is not about rotating mag field. Rotating mag field may cause ether inertia effects to manifest, but do you really think it produces electric potential higher than what you have on your coils?
Instead of winding three control windings covering different portions of the tpu od would it work out better to have three windings wound around the whole circumference that are next to each other. Route the feed from the pass filter so that there is a directional shift of energy with each set of turns representing a pole.
This may explain the kicks:I do not see caps in Otto's schematic whereas the above explanation is based on capacitor?
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html
Instead of winding three control windings covering different portions of the tpu od would it work out better to have three windings wound around the whole circumference that are next to each other. Route the feed from the pass filter so that there is a directional shift of energy with each set of turns representing a pole.
Could be quickly run with 3 lead ribbon cable.
--giantkiller.
Then just think of that what can be the speed of our electrons in our TPUs... and they are being driven by our inaccurate oscillators... I am not wondering they're destroying themselves after awhile.
I think you misunderstood. :)It seems we all are not understanding each other. Hope, this won't be so for too long as we are doomed to find the least common denominator here.
Go back to your first science class on electricity with the wire and the bar magnet.There is no ether in contemporary science. But there is conservation of energy. All your 'waving' around coil is returned back to the circuitry (self-inductance) or dissipated as heat. We should consider a genuinely new phenomenon, or forget about these TPUs once and for all.
Perhaps the we need a torroidal magnetic field because the circle within the donut has no alternative than to cross the magnetic field.Once again, Otto's circuit (see photo) has no closed toroid, and it seems that his logical AND square wave circuitry does not produce a sequential pulsing of control coils - they are pulsed more like 1 3 2 3 1 1, etc. in a cyclic manner, depending on the individual square wave frequencies.
Like SM said (wish the f**k he had made a couple of blueprints of this design instead of some homegrown videos)That's the reason I think SM's knowledge is useless - he provided no plans, no component types and no component values. Unuseful bla'blaing - there is a lot of such type of guys on the net. Otto's plans should be used as a ground I think now, even if they were inspired by SM. The idea I have is that energy is not 'transferred' from Earth or Sun, or Moon, etc. It is created by means of potential field produced by the saw-tooth HV pulses. It's a totally different thing.
and another thread goes down the crapper...
Like SM said (wish the f**k he had made a couple of blueprints of this design instead of some homegrown videos)That's the reason I think SM's knowledge is useless - he provided no plans, no component types and no component values. Unuseful bla'blaing - there is a lot of such type of guys on the net. Otto's plans should be used as a ground I think now, even if they were inspired by SM. The idea I have is that energy is not 'transferred' from Earth or Sun, or Moon, etc. It is created by means of potential field produced by the saw-tooth HV pulses. It's a totally different thing.
use your grey matter and put the SM clues and grumpy's, spherics', et al insights together. there is something there based on all this, and it's not down the otto/gk path.Rotating magnetic fields and 'extraction of energy from Earth's magnetic field' do not make sense to me. It is exactly Otto's path (and my deductions about DC acoustic waves) which makes at least some sense and Dirac delta spikes and their spectral content which includes DC component.
Blink your eyes and you are 15kilometers or more from where you were when you started blinking your eyes relative to the Sun.The fact that Earth's ether whirl passed 15 km on its orbit in a second does not mean a whirl you are creating in TPU didn't move and was left behind by 15 km. It's a principle of relativity. Small whirl inside a large whirl moves together with a large whirl. This principle actually has a more general view if you perceive it as a sum of sine-wave oscillations. Oscillation with a higher amplitude always "owns" (carries) less powerful oscillations. Lower frequencies are usually thought as being "base" frequencies for higher frequencies. These frequencies do not mix in a signal - they live their own lives, so to say, but in a field there is always a carrier and a carried something.
Nasa has been doing it since the 70's slingshotting spacecraft from one inertial field to the other around the solar system.It's a good point. What NASA uses? Planet's gravity. So, we should create gravity as well. This is what I'm trying to say from the time I started to talk about DC acoustic waves, and according to my deduction it is what SM's and Otto's devices actually do: they create gravity/anti-gravity potentials which creates energy much like planet's gravity creates energy for spacecraft. Also note that cold electricity demonstrates destruction of energy.
If SM or Tesla for that matter was able to create a scalar emwave then it stands still in 4d and along comes the Earth field, and there is a relavent exchange of energy between the two inertial frames. A collision of two inertial frames with potential energy stored in each. An accident in the aether. A magnetic field crossing a conductor.Well, maybe. The scalar wave (or DC acoustic wave) is inertia-less and in this respect it is independent from Earth's inertial system, that's why it can supply energy to Earth's inertial systems (e.g. to free electrons in a collector coil). However, this does not stand true for rotating magnetic fields - they are inertial systems born in Earth's inertial system, they'll cease to exist after transferring all their energy back.
use your grey matter and put the SM clues and grumpy's, spherics', et al insights together. there is something there based on all this, and it's not down the otto/gk path.
These were the sines. With this particular setup, I achieved AC sines, but rather horrid waveforms.These results are of course what a resonant low-pass filter may produce. Below is what an 'idealized' -48 dB/oct resonant low-pass filter and a serie of -6 dB/oct high-pass (DC blocking) filters produces when applied to a perfect square wave.
I do not understand your reference as to the relevance of the filter. What does it matter what the waves resemble, if they can accomplish the job necessary???? (I am lost on that one, as I do not see the relevance. I think it must be merely a misunderstanding.)My idea is that "sine waves" do not come from resonant/reactive behavior of the circuit and its coils. Sine waves appear as a result of some "external" potential field. However, it is circuit that triggers this potential field. This potential field's intensity varies with time and it is this variation that is seen as sine-wave segment. By the way, SM himself tuned his device so that it produces overunity DC current - not a sinewave output. From the vid he also referred to high-freq sinewaves which are of course not really useful for powering applications.
My idea is that "sine waves" do not come from resonant/reactive behavior of the circuit and its coils. Sine waves appear as a result of some "external" potential field. However, it is circuit that triggers this potential field. This potential field's intensity varies with time and it is this variation that is seen as sine-wave segment. By the way, SM himself tuned his device so that it produces overunity DC current - not a sinewave output. From the vid he also referred to high-freq sinewaves which are of course not really useful for powering applications.
"Sine waves" are result of DC acoustic potential field produced by pulse coils. This DC acoustic potential field affects all surrounding fields and electrons, and so these changes manifest as change in voltage in "sine wave segment" shape on the oscilloscope.My idea is that "sine waves" do not come from resonant/reactive behavior of the circuit and its coils. Sine waves appear as a result of some "external" potential field. However, it is circuit that triggers this potential field. This potential field's intensity varies with time and it is this variation that is seen as sine-wave segment. By the way, SM himself tuned his device so that it produces overunity DC current - not a sinewave output. From the vid he also referred to high-freq sinewaves which are of course not really useful for powering applications.I will have to think about this. Interesting concept. What potential gradient do you theorize it is acting upon?
It is not like we are hitting these with hundreds of volts DC/AC, and the cap/ind ratio can be fairly small yielding a low instantaneous joule throughput, UNLIKE a high volt/high capacitance/low inductance tesla primary which may source hundreds of joules at any point in time at the spark gap.. Any ideas?I think we also need to "fire" a lot of joules per impulse for any serious action. The frequency of impulses can be lowered if each impulse can be made powerful. If Tesla ever got any surplus energy, he should have used spark gap at a low frequency repetition - there were no MOSFETs at that time which could fire 50000 impulses per second like in Otto's experiment. At the same time even in Tesla's times each spark gap impulse could be made powerful to any degree required. Note that spark gap impulses are saw-tooth waves:
2. Moving electrons have an associated electromagnetic field.
3. Each electron therefore has its own magnetic field due to its own motion.
4. Magnetic fields either attract or repel each other, depending upon field orientation.
All the "laws" go humming right along, as the TPU violates none.It does violate laws of conservation from what I understand (but then a space satellite does it by gaining velocity in planets gravity field). But I do not think you have to be afraid of that. It is dogmatic physicists who should really get scared. From what I've read they were really pissed when such situation happened in the past (do not remember which experiment was it), but then they've invented a neutrino and that gave them a better breath again. If I understand human society correctly 'top' physicists are really exist to protect conservation of energy for elites. Any good physicist will always tell when a 'borderline' is close to be broken (meaning something unexplored seems like producing OU). We have many such 'conspiracy' evidences recorded - just surf the net and see many 'OU' situations where humble inventors were 'locked' in prison or in grave. There are artists/actors who are really working as politicians, and there are physicists (and generally - scientists) who do the same. Such physicists will start to stink if money resources are going into a 'wrong' direction. I hope you understand this social system.
1. From what I've read, electrons have electrostatic charge field. This is like a bulb's light aura which diminishes with distance from the electron's core.
2. This does not apply to electron as it does not have a magnetic field. Electron is an electric charge monopole. Electrons always repel each other. What makes them stick to each other in an atom is proton which is lacking one electron charge. But it is not electrons sticking to each other - it is protons nullifying their repelling force that make them able to live close to each other.
3. Electro-magnetic fields are always a result of photon emission performed by various particle interactions.
BTW, on another thought, a rotating 'field' may be of use. However, it is not about rotating electric-magnetic field, it is mostly about using DC acoustic potential field to produce gradients around the coil so that they produce a directed electric flow. Well, the EM field WILL rotate, of course, being pulsed that way, but its rotation is an outcome of DC acoustic potential field. Just imagine you are popping and hiding small black holes from nowhere in a cyclic manner around coil. They will start to accelerate all charges inside and outside the coil. This will produce an EM whirl, but the energy of this whirl is sustained by pulsing, not by whirl itself. Then you can use this whirl to get required energy.
1. Electrons do have an electrostatic charge field, which is true. Your description is pretty good. However, an electromagnetic field is created by said charge field in motion. That is why an electromagnetic field is electromagnetic. A magnetic field always has an electric field in conjunction with it. No field is truly static, as all fields are varying over time in magnitude and motion.
For instance, an electron in a lower electron shell has more energy than one in a higher shell. A laser (stimulated emission) works by adding energy to an electron which forces it into a lower shell, then upon relaxation it returns to its original shell, and gives off the extra energy in the form of light quanta we call photons. The charge field of each electron had to vary, to change the energy contained in said electron, so was by no means static.
2. :D Concerning the magnetic field, prove it.
If a moving electron has no magnetic field (and there is no such thing as a stationary electron), then electricity and its associated magnetic field, does not work. A magnetic field is produced wherever electrons are in motion, and this is independant upon the conductor. An electric arc in a vacuum still has a magnetic field produced (IE no conductor at all, JUST electrons in motion.).
There is no such thing as 'opposite charge'. There is only 'lack of charge'. Electrons orbiting the atom nucleus is a dogma, or model. They may well be "sticked" around atom like bullets into rifle's magazine. Electrons may appear attracted to each other in Copper's pairs when super-conductivity is reached.
Electrons do repel each other, and this is due solely to the monopole nature of the charge. Opposite charges attract, like charges repel. To my knowledge, electrons never stick to each other.They orbit the atom nucleus in a similar manner that a moon orbits a planet.
Arc in a vacuum is created out of ions and electrons and EM waves at the same time. Of course, photon is a mass-less wave. I think that E=mc^2 means that you cannot speak of energy without having mass to accept it; you can't get energy out of EM waves without having matter.
3. In this I HAVE to disagree, to some extent. If various particle interactions are necessary, then explain the magnetic field created by an arc in a vacuum? Or maybe explain the photon itself, which by the claims of physics is a traveling electromagnetic wave with an associated electric field, with NO ASSOCIATED PARTICLES. (If it sounds somewhat stupid, that is because it is. I debate this view as well, but it is the current model.)
giving your DC potential field that you talk about. (acoustic is a term which is used for properties of sound by definition)We may be close in our terminology and understanding of this particular coil system, but I insist it is a "DC acoustic potential field", not just "DC potential field" which usually implicitly means "related to electricity". It's a conceptually different thing.
A light bulb does not put out coherent light in any form....?????It is laser that outputs coherent light. Light source working in a laser does not have to be coherent. Laser's "reflective chamber" produces coherent light and that's why it becomes powerful and thin.
Protons are positively charged, and electrons negatively charged.Protons are not just 'positively charged', they are lacking 1 electron. This is a different thing than some 'positive charge'.
A permanent magnet has within itself a moving electric charge, due to the availability of free electrons within the atomic structure, the structure of electron shells of certain atoms, and peculularities of molecular alignment and interaction within the overall particular magnetic substance.....????I'm not sure this correct. If they had an electrical field they would produce an electrical potential.
Concerning the electron/magnetic field/books.... what books????Well, I've surfed Internet for this information. In many places there were references to real books. Of course, I can't give you these references, but you may use a websearch for these keywords - you'll likely to find a relevant information.
A "lack of charge" is called neutrally charged, not positively charged. It is by definition NOT of ANY charge.....?????Neutral charge is not a "lack of charge". Neutrally-charged particle is when all protons have electrons attached to them. Proton is like a "charge hole". It is in this respect becomes a "positive charge", because it really is lacking 1 electron charge. It may have some special "positive charge" field associated with it, but I've never read about that.
An ion, by basic definition is a charged atom or molecule. Free charged particles themselves are called ionizing radiation....????? You have me really confused here. (Just being honest.)No, ionizing radiation is EM waves of high energy that produces ions by "bombarding" atoms and molecules.
I am not trying to insult you. I truly am not, but your responses to this last post make absolutely no sense to me, from the physics standpoint. If you are trying to speak a concept, and do not have the proper words to express your concepts, please state so and I will try to interpret. I do not fault anyone for this.In this latest discussion I'm not talking concepts. This is what I've understood and learned. The only concept I was talking is "DC acoustical waves" which frankly saying do not interfere with any other physical phenomena. It only adds a tiny bit. And it is not an aether in common sense like a gaseous substance. DC acoustical waves are virtual as much as photons are virtual particles.
I must reiterate, Photons are not EM. They are not a form of EM.Then you are talking about some other EM and some other photons. It is a widely-accepted theory, quantum electro dynamics. EM is a field comprised of photons. Note that photon is a general name for 1 quanta of EM wave or field.
I have to agree. It is time to build this puppy. Whether one uses sine/squares/sawtooth.... I DONT CARE! Just try for rotation of the field, which would be discernable using nothing more than a cheapo compass. Get the field rotating, then post your schematic for this part of the coil, we can worry about the collectors when we achieve this.You are right, no more words are needed. Just make sure rotation is achieved by sharp pulses, not by AC or DC current as in conventional schematics.
Aleks, I won't start a discussion on this, but I think you should look up "Modern" theory.
I, too, used to accept the BS in the physics books of old, but have evolved my understanding.
Seeing that EM energy has never been used to describe a photon as 1 quantum in any of the
physics courses I took, nor has anyone else ever stated that to me,
Only a rotating field will not give anything AFAIK, but add a DC bias to the collector wire once the rotating field is set up...lifting the hose and squeezing it...I guess this should be exactly fine! Rotating field or gravity is nothing if it has nothing to accelerate. DC bias should provide the necessary meat to accelerate. It's like having a sattelite without velocity: it will dump itself onto planet. If it has velocity, planet will only add energy to its speed.
A Photon is a LIGHT Quanta, NOT an EM Quanta.Well, this is last time I will comment on this. Light is EM wave, there is no difference between light and EM waves, just a different application. Model is same.
Paul,
I have a quick question for you. Would there be any benefit to using a Marko Rodin coil? I always wondered if the winding and geometry to add some benefit. Thanks
I forgot to mention one thing towards the pictures above.
Both are taken at the same frequency setting ( .2 us ) and the same Volt/div ( 5v/div ) which is evident in any case through the pictures. Picture no 2 (phase difference) is relatively indicative of the voltage of the original waveform.
One thing that is a royal PAIN when adjusting for resonance is the sensitivity of the circuitry at this point. Just the capacitance of the proximity of your body close to any circuitry at this point changes the waveform!!!! (adjusting the pots becomes a chore)
Paul Andrulis
This example is using a 555driver circuit as in the pic, with an inductor/capacitance resonation tank as the driving circuit, testing output through an air core inductor. This is not through a completed collector coil circuit, but indicative of one control coil if you applied it towards such.
I am going to build one today, and do some playing.Hmm. Will it work at all? I think even if magnetic field is nullified it does not mean current will get nullified as well...
The first sine picture is the same coil, the same applied signal, but ALL of the signals are in phase, which is why the AC component CREATED BY THE COIL ITSELF, is of much greater strength than the applied signal.No problem, I understand. It is called filtering. DC pulses carry base frequency information. It is what we see on the scope. Still, this does not look like "sine wave segments".
I am going to build one today, and do some playing.Hmm. Will it work at all? I think even if magnetic field is nullified it does not mean current will get nullified as well...
The first sine picture is the same coil, the same applied signal, but ALL of the signals are in phase, which is why the AC component CREATED BY THE COIL ITSELF, is of much greater strength than the applied signal.No problem, I understand. It is called filtering. DC pulses carry base frequency information. It is what we see on the scope. Still, this does not look like "sine wave segments".
Maybe I should run it through a full wave... :D I could power my house tomorrow!You won't achieve that with a single rectifier stage. Since oscillations are random you need a more involved arrangement. I think you will need a rectifier ladder of some kind so that you can cover a wide range of signal amplitudes - it is like analog-to-digital converter, but with each bit stage outputting power so when you have a large signal this rectifier ladder should "light" all lower power rectifier stages. Each stage should probably be low-passed by means of a small choke or RC (RC should be simpler).
I only can only guess to turn them into DC and hopefully they mix. Anything better?From spectral math (Fourier transform and such things) you may build a battery of band-pass filters. What is band-pass filter? It is simply a component whose resistance (or rather impedance) is dependent on the frequency of the input signal. This way you can divide any signal into narrow spectral bands: the power will be streaming there where there is less resistance exist.
...through this media a hf pulse is propogated and wave guided....Each successive "radio wave"...
...through this media a hf pulse is propogated and wave guided....Each successive "radio wave"...
I have a very hard time believing SM used anything remotely like a waveguide--the construction is just too imprecise for this to be feasible.
So, you might say, use HF waves, that way the construction can be less precise. That sounds nice until you calculate the wavelengths involved and find that they are way to long to fit in the device's wires.
Sorry if I seem a bit strong on these points; I have seen the waveguide / RF idea brought up over and over (I have actually tested it as well with no results).
Aleks, this begs a question from me, and we may need EE input, but Wouldn't a single coil
be able to produce a rotation in the flux if pulsed at the correct Freq.
Core memory was discarded LONG before the internet was started
P.S. Which kind of schematic were you referring to? I am afraid I can't keep up with all the
info here and would like to add this to my "Failure" list so I don't repeat the same mistakes
that others have already done the work to find. TIA. (Thanks in advance?)
I am referring to Actual Core Memory.Permanent magnet chargers are in use even now. It's like having one big domain instead of billions of smaller ones.
(BIG HINT, think about what you have seen on the small motor, and go examine the TPU pics in JDO's newest thread, and see if you notice what I noticed.)
What WE are facing with the TPU is a rotorless induction motor, where the fields itself are rotating. Think of it in those terms. Otto, you stand vindicated in part, as the controls may well need phased AC.
I can say with 90% certainty that you will not see these effects with a ferrite core (ran LOTS of tests, nothing interesting happened)Do you have frequency response details about ferrite cores you've used? The reason I'm asking is that in my opinion core should be accumulating flux with each pulse. If the ferrite core is fast, flux won't be accumulating. What I'm looking for is back EMF. It is this "background" EMF that gains OU energy with each new pulse. If there is no background EMF energy in the core left from previous pulse, there is nothing present that can benefit from gravity force. Of course, you should not forget about diode placed on the pulse circuit so that back EMF does not flow into the pulse circuitry. In this scenario the only way for the energy to go is though the parallel wound load wire.
I set up my iron powder coreAs I've said, the performance should depend on the induction frequency response of this core. I think the basis of gaining OU energy is to have an "energy cloud" around TPU. If core is too fast, all induced energy will leave the core before the next pulse arrives. Ever increasing and saturating flux is a requirement here I think.
When the old Edison DC generators were turned on, back in the day, they released this 'kick' and killed many workers in the process.
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[Tesla] discharged capacitors into stout wire and through a spark gap.
The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap.
-Steven Mark
"I assumed that anyone working on technology this sophisticated would have a superior
knowledge of electronics and an understanding of PURE frequency output being a Necessity to
control the reactions going on inside the collector.
-Steven Mark"
I am using 6BQ7-A tubes for the input and phase inverter because they are VHF amplifier triodes -Steven Mark
Vacuum tubes have EXTREAMLY FAST TRANSIT TIMES.
Solid state devices are like molasses!
I don't think anything special as far as controllers will be necessary. . . the absolute freq may very well be in 555In terms of the frequency range, even the cheapest 555s on the market today go up to 300kHz. However, the rise/fall on a 555 can be as bad as 110-250ns, or as good as 10-15ns. So it really depends on what brand 555 you are using. One of the reasons I made the device shown here is because it has a rise/fall time of 2ns or better. Furthermore, the computer control of the oscillators lets us automate data collection and save a lot of tedious switching of resistor/capacitor values
Seeing some of the ideas of different materials, and noting that SM stated he couldn't mention the composition
of the Collector coils, sorta points me in that direction. Why say that if they were copper?
A light bulb does not put out coherent light in any form....?????It is laser that outputs coherent light. Light source working in a laser does not have to be coherent. Laser's "reflective chamber" produces coherent light and that's why it becomes powerful and thin.Protons are positively charged, and electrons negatively charged.Protons are not just 'positively charged', they are lacking 1 electron. This is a different thing than some 'positive charge'.A permanent magnet has within itself a moving electric charge, due to the availability of free electrons within the atomic structure, the structure of electron shells of certain atoms, and peculularities of molecular alignment and interaction within the overall particular magnetic substance.....????I'm not sure this correct. If they had an electrical field they would produce an electrical potential.Concerning the electron/magnetic field/books.... what books????Well, I've surfed Internet for this information. In many places there were references to real books. Of course, I can't give you these references, but you may use a websearch for these keywords - you'll likely to find a relevant information.A "lack of charge" is called neutrally charged, not positively charged. It is by definition NOT of ANY charge.....?????Neutral charge is not a "lack of charge". Neutrally-charged particle is when all protons have electrons attached to them. Proton is like a "charge hole". It is in this respect becomes a "positive charge", because it really is lacking 1 electron charge. It may have some special "positive charge" field associated with it, but I've never read about that.An ion, by basic definition is a charged atom or molecule. Free charged particles themselves are called ionizing radiation....????? You have me really confused here. (Just being honest.)No, ionizing radiation is EM waves of high energy that produces ions by "bombarding" atoms and molecules.I am not trying to insult you. I truly am not, but your responses to this last post make absolutely no sense to me, from the physics standpoint. If you are trying to speak a concept, and do not have the proper words to express your concepts, please state so and I will try to interpret. I do not fault anyone for this.In this latest discussion I'm not talking concepts. This is what I've understood and learned. The only concept I was talking is "DC acoustical waves" which frankly saying do not interfere with any other physical phenomena. It only adds a tiny bit. And it is not an aether in common sense like a gaseous substance. DC acoustical waves are virtual as much as photons are virtual particles.
@aleksDo not start this again please, re-read what I've written. It is proton that lacks electron, not otherwise. About lasers, read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser and check out its principal components. While 'stimulated emission' is important in real-world lasers, it is not the basis of laser work, and the only energy they receive is via external light or electricity source. Otherwise lasers would be perpetuum mobile devices (or COP>1 devices). So, it's still some form of reflection - this is what I was saying. In other words, it is a process of Q factor change in the photon energy probability space: the peak of probability increases while side-lobes of probability distribution function shrink. In signal processing this is usually achieved by some forms of feedback: be it via reflective surfaces or via some internal atomic feedback.
I first started reading your posts and thought you had no knowlege as to electronics, then you said some things that only someone with actual knowledge in the field would know. Then you screw it up again fighting with paul who has said some of the most important things I have ever heard. You are wrong about the laser, it does work by causing electrons to shift levels, and no a mirror and light is not a true LASER it is a focused light source, I mean cmon dude you should really think about what you say but OK.
An electron DOES NOT have a missing proton that causes it to be negativly charged. That only happens with atoms. Just that really makes me think how much you know about anything to do with particle physics.
@alecks have you taken the time to compress more knowlege of the kick phenomenon ? ;)It's not necessary anymore. The more I read the more I become assured that this whole overunity thing is about DC acoustic (phonon) waves, and in some cases about equal frequency heterodyning (e.g. when two processes of the same frequency produce opposing forces with nullifying movement - like oscillation of two closely standing membranes - halfwave they are oscillating, halfwave they are standing still stopped by each others motion - maybe even Casimir force is about this and not about quantum ZPE Dirac space). The only complex thing in this understanding is finding the method of utilizing this DC acoustic wave component to gain energy. The main problem is that this DC wave component is not a particle nor transversal nor longitudal wave. It is a third type of wave. If conditions are rather ambient creation of this DC wave component may not produce any serious change on the surrounding matter and energy levels. So, in order to gain any energy either a very powerful DC wave component should be created (e.g. via high-power discharge or explosion), or a rather "fluid" energy field should be created (e.g. varying magnetic field) that can react on even small DC wave component, and then normally induce displacement current that corresponds to this change. My previous reasoning was solely based on these ideas.
@alecks have you taken the time to compress more knowlege of the kick phenomenon ? ;)It's not necessary anymore. The more I read the more I become assured that this whole overunity thing is about DC acoustic (phonon) waves, and in some cases about equal frequency heterodyning (e.g. when two processes of the same frequency produce opposing forces with nullifying movement - like oscillation of two closely standing membranes - halfwave they are oscillating, halfwave they are standing still stopped by each others motion - maybe even Casimir force is about this and not about quantum ZPE Dirac space). The only complex thing in this understanding is finding the method of utilizing this DC acoustic wave component to gain energy. The main problem is that this DC wave component is not a particle nor transversal nor longitudal wave. It is a third type of wave. If conditions are rather ambient creation of this DC wave component may not produce any serious change on the surrounding matter and energy levels. So, in order to gain any energy either a very powerful DC wave component should be created (e.g. via high-power discharge or explosion), or a rather "fluid" energy field should be created (e.g. varying magnetic field) that can react on even small DC wave component, and then normally induce displacement current that corresponds to this change. My previous reasoning was solely based on these ideas.
I do not really think neutrinos should be added to this equation. What I'm talking about is a way to gain pure energy. And I mean pure: this energy is produced out of nowhere, it does not require molecular or atomic destruction (if used correctly).
this sounds like Tom Bearden's theory.It's all good if correct. It's also nice to see Tom Bearden announced availability of 'Radiant' commercial products: http://energenx.com/products.html This is a strong step since as you know if they can't stand their advertisement claims they can be sued easily. Still no claimed overunity, but who knows? When you are charging your battery it's hard to compare grid power to battery charge power, it costs pennies to charge a battery so nobody will really care if his device gives COP 1.1, for example. ;) But of course it's a huge step if even generally invisible.
This also seems to be a logical evolution....!
Okay, first of all, I have just read through the entire thread. Paul, I think your ideas here are excellent. You should not listen to detractors who have nothing to contribute.
Update:
I have finished the Arduino microcontroller protocol, including the implementation and circuitry. The device is called Gemini. I will tell you how to build it with full plans and part list for free. If you want I can also build one for you.
1. A horizontal coil should not magnetically interact much with a vertical coil..... Yet my scope set on dual channel, comparing the controls to the collectors were showing obviously something happening, as the output waveforms from each were matching, and on XY I had a somewhat circular pattern (for those whom know what this means)...... :)
Hey pauldude,
Good to hear you are making some progress. . . a few questions...
How many control coils are you using? What is the configuration of your collectors (2xparallel/1xseries, etc)?
What voltage are your control input signals? And what diameter is your TPU?
@Rhombus
Hi!
Go next door some time and ask your neuclear scientist guy if electrons have mass. Then ask him. Why do neuclear power plants find it necessary to mess around with the neuclear mass when there is a guy on the internet that says you can convert some of the mass of the electron into energy.
You can also tell him that radio frequency excitation of spent neuclear fuel rods can render them null within minutes instead of 20 or 30 thousand years.
Should rock his world a little. :D
@alecks have you taken the time to compress more knowlege of the kick phenomenon ? ;)
With an additional coil as we see them in the videos, the little one in the middle, we have nice, clear signals of a lot of volts.
May I say like with tubes??? Yes.
Otto
1. Resonance is not enough by itself.
2. Rotation is not enough by itself.
3. The output characteristics from every coil tried so far increase dramatically with higher voltage. 9v by itself is not enough. It must be raised to a higher potential.
4. >>>>>>Rotation is an absolute necessity<<<<<<, not merely a possible.
5. Pulsing of the collector in an isolated leg of a bifilar should be tried by all!
6. Using a Steel core is worthless. If anyone has had luck with steel or ferrite cores, give me the info. They detract from performance as far as I can see.
7. Frequency of operation for any given coil is IMPERATIVE. All of the coils tested have "sweet spot" frequencies. They may not even produce much of any output too far from a "sweet spot" (natural resonant frequency of the unit).
8. Pulse length is important.
If they were full sized, pulsed with say 50v..... OUCH! (Who am I kidding, if I were to pulse them with 50v NOW I have no clue what the field would do, or how strong it might get. It tries to explode at 12v, and feedback kicks in my B&K's safety circuitry if I turn to 15v for more than a second or two.)
AM, maybe you know something about the AlMn alloy???
They are voltage amplifiers.Tubes are voltage modulators, they can't work without external pre-amplified (300-400V) voltage source, DC or biased AC. If you supply biased AC as power you may create a signal multiplier (a * b). Sorry, could not resist ;)
Feedback is appreciated.
@PeseHallo Paul.
I double checked, both my schematic, my first draw, and the original, and it is correct.
The initial idea is not mine. I remember coming across it from a circuit diagram online. I searched, an found the original, which I hated as they used a square block diagram with no R or C values and put the pins where convenient to draw, not convenient to breadboard. I modified this in that I did away with an unnecessary connection, made it easy to convert to a breadboard, and modified its scope and applicational usage. The original was a single 555 driving diagram, of which my original post of the schematic was a direct interpretation.
Anyway, I will quote the inventor of the original timing circuit and his reasoning:
From:
Tony Van Roon at http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/gadgets/555/555.html (http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/gadgets/555/555.html)
"When the output is high, the transistor is biased into saturation by R2 so that the charging current passes through the transistor and R1 to C. When the output goes low, the discharge transistor (pin 7) cuts off the transistor and discharges the capacitor through R1 and the diode. The high & low periods are equal. The value of the capacitor (C) and the resistor (R1 or potmeter) is not given. It is a mere example of how to do it and the values are pending on the type of application, so choose your own values. The diode can be any small signal diode like the NTE519, 1N4148, 1N914 or 1N3063, but a high conductance Germanium or Schottky type for the diode will minimize the diode voltage drops in the transistor and diode. However, the transistor should have a high beta so that R2 can be large and still cause the transistor to saturate. The transistor can be a TUN (europe), NTE123, 2N3569 and most others."
The original replies to the 555 schematics start at reply no 1385 in Otto's "Successful TPU-ECD" thread, and end at 1395 on page 35. Check out the screenshots of this non working circuit, working, my friend! :D (By the way, you will notice quickly that I draw my own schematics.)
@Loner
You are right, this circuit is FAST. I can overclock the bejeebers out of a TS555CN to the currently measured max of 4.9mhz (though the datasheet says 2.7 mhz max) depending upon components used. Check out otto's thread and my original posts. I have screenshots of the breadboarded unit with the freq meter showing output at 4.1 or so mhz. The wave suffers at such high freq, but it still oscillates!
However, as wierd as the connections seem. IT DOES WORK.
Paul Andrulis
@pese
I am not going to argue over something as dumb as this (not your arguments, they make sense, the situation is dumb).
I would not have posted the circuit, unless I had already breadboarded and tested the circuit. There is alot of wierd things that happen but "shouldn't". The circuit works... build it before you tell me how it "can't", then explain to yourself when you look at the squares on your scope why it is working. Then get back to me and tell me why.
I found a schematic, tried it, liked it, modified it, use it, and am sharing it.
Paul Andrulis
Hello all,
@AM
I have to be honest: I promised a nice man here in the forum to build my tube oscillators.....
35 years ago I learned everything about tubes. I was really good. Tube radios, tube TVs. In the times of tubes I learned in school how to repair tube TVs and in the same time had a lot of TVs to repair!! And I earned a good money as a very joung guy.Then came the time with transistors, ICs.......and as it happens, I forgot everything about tubes....
How I see the development of a TPU:
- SM was a TV repair man, he knew about the TV story and wanted to know what happened when the TV got out of frequencies.
- I think he was playing around with a deflection coil
- as a TV had tubes, SM used them also in his work
- the voltage on tubes plates is say 300V more or less
- with such signals he was pulsing his TPU and got it work
- later he had to use SS because tubes are a little big, ha,ha.
- with SS devices, to say MOSFETs, he had nice signals but at a low voltage level and so he had to think about how to rise the voltage of the signals - to get biiiig signals, like with tubes
- the solution is well seen: additional coil(s) sitting in the center of the TPU
In this way he got an easier acceleration of the particles, he didnt had to use a soooo high frequency to accelerate the tornado and at an unknown (?) frequency mix the tornado accelerates for itself so....
He got nice clean signals
and he got biiiig signals
This all I see with my setup.
I only need to rise a little the voltage from my power supply and then......I can again repair my equipment.
I think its enough crap from me this week.
Otto
PS: AM, maybe you know something about the AlMn alloy???
If you load it heavier it will heat up more the main output winding which is to be expected, but not like in the old days where the units heated up to a point of self destruction with or without load.
You can think of it as improvement.
There are a lot of other factors that directly influence it's operating characteristics.
M.
you got something---or not?
Very easy in the tpu to exchange collector for emitter I would suggest.
@ Paul - you are seeing the same square-to-sine conversion that I've seen several times now. At lower frequencies you can sometimes see the input square pulses riding on top of the sines, which demonstrates to me that there is indeed a conversion of some sort taking place, not just plain inductance and transformation. The sine wave frequency appeared to be a fraction of the square input frequency, like 1:20 or so (now I wish I had paid more attention). The first time I saw this is when I had started playing with feedback from the secondaries into the primaries, way back at what I call TPU1, and again in TPU4. http://www.randallsteward.com/TPU/ (http://www.randallsteward.com/TPU/) The super-imposed square would rise from the sine trace, stay on for 50%, then drop back down. If we assume the sine trace as zero-volts, there was no negative component shown in the square artifacts. Perhaps the negative square component is what was converted into the sine?
@Pauldude
Somethings are better remaining buried? Secrets or alluding to secrets tend to push the paranoia level up a notch. How can one think clearly if he believes he pocesses knowlege no one else has the ability to understand?
Have faith in the ability of a child to learn.
The main problem that I have with it is that it depends on a virtual stator in the form of a rotating magnetic field. The problem with this is, there's no real replacement for an actual rotating magnet, or coil arrangement. The magnetic field in a Tesla motor design does not actually rotate so much as the poles move around the device as the coils are pulsed. In other words, the magnetic field does not rotate any more than individual frames played rapidly in sequence actually make bugs bunny eat carrots.. Therefore there is no cutting of any output coil placed in this field, all you will get is the significantly lower output of the fields expanding and contracting as they are pulsed sequentially. It may be obvious, but I do not believe that the TPU works on induction at all.
Magnetic Induction by definition is an induced EMF (electricity) in a closed circuit due to change of a magnetic flux in the circuit.
Since these units HAVE to be either pulsed with electricity in some manner, or started with a moving magnet, they by definition are run by magnetic induction. To have induction, a magnetic field does not have to "cut" a wire". Skin effect, faraday's disk example, and various other principles show that ANY interaction between a changing or motional magnetic field and a conductor produces EMF.
Faraday's disk example demonstrates that the field is continually "cutting through" an infinitely thick conductor, as far as the stationary magnetic field is concerned.
Now, in a theoretically "perfect" rotating field, you would see a moving "tube" shaped magnetic field, sliding around the circumference of the TPU. Now, we are told that this is impossible, as the field cannot exist without the applied electric field, which is true. They indeed do exist hand in hand. However, both photons and radio transmissions demonstrate that this Mag field/EMF field CAN separate from the inductor that produced it, and travel away from said conductor seemingly existing by itself.
The question is, will the resistance of such a field to passing through a conductor, allow for a conductor to guide its path of travel? (The principle of the path of least resistance.)
If so, then a self existant rotating field can be made.
Now, consider a virtual rotating field effect. I state virtual, as all that matters is what the collector "Sees". Your "frame by frame" analogy wouldn't matter in this case, as the collector neither "knows about" nor "cares" whether the field is an independent field rotating or three or four fields simulating the same thing. Three or four properly phased coils pulsed in proper sequence do just this.
The first signal fires field No1. Second coil fires just BEFORE field No1 starts starts to collapses, joining the two aligned fields, just like two permanent bar magnets held with N of mag1 facing S of mag2. This prevents or at least minimizes "field orientation flipping" upon collapse of field No1. (it would at worst be a very weak field at the point of field reversal due to the strength of the following field at full power.) Field No2 then is at full peak, as the third coil fires, and so on around the coil.
You then have a perfectly simulated rotational field of the same type, but using stationary fields. The "collectors" would see nothing but a rotating field either way. It does not matter really which is truly happening.
The collectors in a tpu are not much different in consideration as the disk in Faraday's example.
At least, this is the current state of my understanding. It may change as my work progresses.
If you have a theory for your understanding of the operation of the device, I would love to hear it. All input is good stuff to me, and I am proposing but ONE possibly valid explanation of the device.
Paul Andrulis
@ Paul
About moving a field or field poles; There is no upper limit to that speed ,not even the speed of light itself and that's so because the field itself is not a particle which have mass, 0 like the photon or greater like any other particles. So in theory one could move a field created by virtual poles (aka a virtual magnet) at a speed much much faster then the speed of light.That would obey all known laws oh physics.
@Paul and All
In the early days of the TPU, I thought it had to do with heterodyning and mixing of frequencies.
I now believe SM achieved rotation by the Lorentz O forces. Link here: (About half way thru the video for the demo):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cSEtx5C2pkQ
Torsion field energy comes in from the aether and assumes a vortex shape as in tornadoes. Turn the TPU over and it will not work because it bucks the natural flow.
Hello all,
How things can change...I was a lurker on this forum for soo long and now I'm posting for the second time today. lol.Anyway.
I had to reread all the TPU related posts all day long and one min ago I've just finished one pdf titled "Steven_Mark_TPU_compilation.pdf".Some ppl here think that all that could be just BS but please reread that paper and then just think again.He stated that he allready gave Lindsay all clues he needed to replicate the device and know what ?I really think he did.All his clues about how the device work would make sense if and only if we move a virtual magnet(or more) at the speed of light and/or even faster.Don't think right now about the configurations of his tpu's ,I'm certain they were genuine, there are many ways to achieve a result once one understand the principle behind.And that would be simply the relativity.No magic ,no BS, just that.
There is much more to say but my eyes are stinging so i have to take a break.
Kron
@GeniusDudeWhereverYouAre
I need someone to answer a question for me. If an electrical path doesn't exist, current doesn't flow...right?
Then explain to me enough juice to run three leds from collectors not electrically connected to control coils I am pulsing.... with ONLY ONE LEAD from a function generator? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Force IS "action over distance".
In my understanding there is no difference between "electric" (electrostatic) field and magnetic field (I gave some insights why before in some other posts).
@loner, pese, & allPaul. the scematis are or. it is not to show . that output coil , wiring to the diodebridge MUST be couplet in near of the oscillating coils. Some mor help ... on mail.
I have a possible oscillator I just designed, based upon a Hartley oscillator, with feedback for a two CC TPU I would like some input on.
Paul Andrulis
Excellent correction of my statement! Perhaps I should have used the word potential instead. So according to the classic definition of force it no longer exists when movement stops or the distance no longer changes?
My understanding is still different. Perhaps flawed. So then momentum and the associated mass are one in the same? Bad analogy, I know.
Since one can exist without the other (electric/magnetic) and without movement how can they be one in the same. Hopelessly tied together, yes but the same? It is a binding factor that makes it all one as a system(IMO).
Learning never stops. I appreciate the lesson :)
Rather than clogg this good thread I'll look you up where those other posts reside asap.
Photons and other electromagnetic phenomena have been demonstrated to have momentum.Well, photons are waves, and are definitely massless. They of course have a momentum, but it is very strictly defined via E=hv * direction vector (or something else in that manner), so it's kind of "momentum of energy", not tied to mass (e.g. impact wave that propagates in air also carries a kind of momentum which will show force upon impact with any physical object).
Momentum is based upon a moving mass. Notice I didn't say moving "matter".
As far as it being funny. Kewl. Go for it. More power to ya! I just personally do not see what is so funny. Could be a simple difference of sense of humor. I like puns myself.What was funny is attributing things Einstein didn't invent or even thought about. He's not some Almighty creator.
What was funny is attributing things Einstein didn't invent or even thought about. He's not some Almighty creator.
I insist that E=MC^2 basically works with subatomic bond energies ONLY.
All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?' Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken. ? I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based on the field concept, i.e., on continuous structures. In that case, nothing remains of my entire castle in the air, gravitation theory included, [and of] the rest of modern physics. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
"Light just is."
Ever wonder what Tesla's RE is? A changing field (use region if you like) of pressure different from the surrounding pressure.
I have to go wash your ideas out of my mind before they contaminate my own.Oh, yeah. Here's another source of contamination: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiant_energy Or is it exactly what you are thinking RE is? ;)
"complexed numbered medium"? "transient mass"?
Kinetic energy and collisions? Are we smashing particles now?
RE has nothing to do with "particles".
Oh, yeah. Here's another source of contamination: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiant_energy Or is it exactly what you are thinking RE is? ;)
Now, read this and understand that who wants to contaminate your mind is not me: http://educate-yourself.org/fe/radiantenergystory.shtml
"Tesla was now operating under entirely new rules which he referred to as ?dynamic? electro-static forces" My DC Acoustic Wave is exactly dynamic electro-static force. When you change its sign, it's a gravity (mass) force. Otherwise it's an "electro-static" force you can change at your will.
I just noticed something from your last post. Who, besides you in your reference, stated that "mass is matter"? Mass is NOT matter. I was explaining that mass is a FUNCTION or ASPECT of BOTH energy AND matter. (I implied that it is a shared function, IE a field effect.)
Tesla himself would be shaking his head, exasperated in complete disbelief if he could see all the BS people attribute to him today.Of course, I've read the patent. And your confusion is understandable. Well, maybe I'm incorrect in assuming Tesla EVER thought of something along the lines I'm writting myself. But the talk about producing some kind of "shield" is something to note - this is mentioned in some sources in relation to Tesla. Maybe it's not about "radiant energy shield". But then again you do not know what this "RE antenna" really "pumped in". If it's not in production today there are two possibilities: either it does not work or nobody knows how it really works. Beside that, my insights do not rely on fantasy only. I'm not trying to convince anybody by "injecting" authority of Tesla or someone else. I'm just trying to find "parallels". Again, no need to accuse anybody - it's counter-productive. Trying to accuse me I'm wanting to "gain" anything in these freelance internet forum discussions is a plain paranoia. Things are "gained" in a scientific environment, in conferences and publications in Nature, Scientific American, etc. Patents are also used for "gain". Get real.
I asked Dr. Tesla if his plan for transmission of power between planets involved the use of cosmic rays, and he stated that the two projects have no connection whatever. He stated that he has continued his experimental work in the laboratory on the interplanetary power transmission project and is certain of its feasibility.
Are Radiant Energy and Radiant Electricty two different things?Yep, Radiant Electricity is close to what I'm writing myself:
Yep, Radiant Electricity is close to what I'm writing myself:
http://www.communicationagents.com/chris/2003/06/06/ramifications_of_free_energytesla_and_others.htm
"No reversal of current was permissible, else the effect would not manifest."
One interesting idea... What if one can "pump in" more charge into capacitor than usual? Radiant Energy patent also tells about "cracking" capacitors when they are overcharged. Seems like it is important. I.e. striking an already charged capacitor with more energy.
"Tesla found it impossible to measure a diminution in radiant force at several hundred yards..."
Hello all,
@Paul
1. you can use 2, 3 , 4 or 8 control coils
2. we have bifilar wound controls - like Tesla did it and described it
3. there is at least 1 collector or 2 or maximal 3 collectors
4. the controls, wound in a bifilar manner, are 1 exiter, trigger coil and the other part of the bifilar is the load coil
8. 2 or 3 frequencies are needed
12. its a longitudinal wave or said in a better way, we are dealing with compression waves, clearly to see on my scope.
Of course Im talking about a TPU with a core.
Otto
In essence you put in 5V @ 100ma, and for a small fraction of a second, you see a spike of say 20v @ 100ma. For that fraction of a second you see over-unity. The sharper the input pulse and the cleaner the signal, the higher the initial voltage spike and, viola, the greater the factor of over-unity.
Paul Andrulis
i'd be ecstatic to see anyone prove this
@poynt99 - I've seen it, Paul has seen it, Otto has seen it, as have many others, and you can too. Send a sharp pulse through a wire or coil and see the kick on your scope. It's a nano-second event, so you'll need to dial the scope to the smaller divisions. It's a transitional effect that occurs at some level in any device when DC power is applied. Why DC? Because standard AC power from generators provides smooth sines instead of sharp pulses. But I do not agree with the notion that the kick comes from the earth's magnetic field, as SM quoted from the EE book - I think it's more of a wavefront effect.
great to hear buzz. already tried it, but no joy.
as i said i'd be ecstatic to see anyone's proof...post your scope shot please ;)
for those who constantly post non-sensical banter and couldn't debate their way out of a wet paper bag--- best not to venture out :D
@poynt99
At this point I would have to state that no, you probably haven't..... (tried anything that is.)
This isn't some "new" occurrence.
This isn't some "rare" happening.
It happens pretty much anytime you flick a switch on.
Therefore I highly doubt that you have checked anything, by your responses.
Paul Andrulis
It is a common and well known occurrence in EE, but it is never stated as OU.
Hello,
Could someone tell me in very short words about SM device ?
Do I guess correctly that this device has :
- an electronic circuit part
- an excitor coil probably of large self-induction
- a torroidal transformer probably made in such way as to step down frequency also
?
Please, give me an idea, there is so many OU devices, do you have so much time to analyze them all ? I would like to limit myself to those which are possible to replicate or understandable.
Paulyes you have heard it
i've never seen nor heard of it (until SM) and i've been in electronics and FE research for quite a number of years
thanks for the short answer ;) :D
there are over 13,000 members on this forum, and as far as i know, none have discovered this effect and none are discussing it. surely if it was that common and easy to detect, many would be?
reverse inductive spike has been "seen" as overunity by many many people here (and continues to be) in error, but that is not what i am talking about here. i sincerely hope that this is not what you are talking about either.
Just join TPU with S1R9 coil and discoveries about plasma spark discharge. You will find it of the same nature - fast oscillations superimposed on quite large lower voltage DC current.
This is electroradiant effect...
WTF, has everyone gone mad :o
i just want to see Paul's (or anyone's) scope shot. i'll pass on all the other stuff goin' on here thanks ;)
i'm not even going to try to figure out what the hell grumpy is talking about in #521 above ::)
@ Kicks really aren't that unusual. Empirically, it's easy to experience - just turn on a stereo with the volume up and listen for the thump.
that's just inrush current. a common thing, but not ou.
i hope we're not talking about this? :-\
@poynt - I think that's the concern Paul expressed, that we're talking about inrush current, which we're not. It's the make & break events that cause the kick. On the make event, the inrush comes right after the kick. On the break event, the kick happens at the moment the circuit is broken. Tesla speaks to this also, emphasizing the importance of super-fast drop times.
Let me explain a little better my current understanding and it may clear up a little confusion. I think the kick has to do with voltage leading the current on a cold circuit. However, I USED to think it a magnetic field effect, as do many others still. However, I do not think it a magnetic field effect, but probably an electric field effect. I cannot state for sure, as I am guessing at this point. However, what I am seeing ties closely to Loners statement of a "pressure" wave front (or voltage in this case). The "kicks" also tend to caused a damped wave resonance in an improperly tuned circuit, which is what had me fooled for a long time. The effects tend to mask the event.
IMHO, I do not believe it is a direct magnetic effect either, as kick and inrush occur in circuits in space systems (don't ask). SM's quote from the EE book about kicks was composed before the 70s, and tying the effect to the earth's magnetic field was a convenient explanation at the time. The kick only occurs in a cold circuit, as a warm circuit implies that there is already a pathway established. A warm circuit when pulsed exhibits a surge but no kick. In a cold circuit, there is an induced magnetic component as the fields around the conductor are established and atoms are entrained, just before flow can be measured - this from quantum physics. Also from quantum physics, a small number of 'looser' electrons will entrain more easily than average and start things moving before the coming inrush - this is SM's "kick" and Loner's "wavefront", and can be interpreted as 'free energy' because there was no traditional work done to cause the movement of these electrons. In a broader statement, the kick we see is the establishment of a voltage environment that joules can be transmitted through.
@poynt99 and Buzz
Let me explain a little better my current understanding and it may clear up a little confusion. I think the kick has to do with voltage leading the current on a cold circuit. However, I USED to think it a magnetic field effect, as do many others still. However, I do not think it a magnetic field effect, but probably an electric field effect. I cannot state for sure, as I am guessing at this point. However, what I am seeing ties closely to Loners statement of a "pressure" wave front (or voltage in this case). The "kicks" also tend to caused a damped wave resonance in an improperly tuned circuit, which is what had me fooled for a long time. The effects tend to mask the event.
However, I do know that the "kicks" are easily reproducible, but from my own semi-skeptical viewpoint, I also know that the other scope shots I could produce, excuses would abound about what is being seen.
Almost all of these possible excuses have to do with the magnetic field. Therefore, cancel the field, cancel the excuses.
Another major excuse is "transformer action". Remove the possibility of transformer action, no excuse.
Another major excuse is resonance action. Remove the possibility of resonance, no excuse.
Otherwise, I could post scope shots all day long of the effect in various forms, and we would hear nothing but "It is this or that". Reproducing the kicks are simple. Reproducing the kicks where someone cannot easily disregard them is not necessarily so easy.
Now Poynt, I am not saying you would do this, but I know there are hundreds here whom would, and I don't feel like any more senseless arguments from them. What is worse, I know there will be even with the experiment I have designed. :-[
If anyone sees exceptions to the rule they would like to see canceled out as a possibility, now is the time as I will be doing the scope work/ pics Sunday. (I have been having to work on a stinking car, this afternoon I have to replace a starter, and tomorrow is the sabbath.)
Paul Andrulis
@duff - Excellent suggestion. The simplest kick test I've seen anyone mention here is shorting the terminals of a 9V battery with a length of wire. A fast diode on the positive terminal should prevent scope artifacts caused by reflection if any are present, no?
@duff - Excellent suggestion. The simplest kick test I've seen anyone mention here is shorting the terminals of a 9V battery with a length of wire. A fast diode on the positive terminal should prevent scope artifacts caused by reflection if any are present, no?
@forest - There must be a time in between for the circuit to grow 'cold' again. Kicks occur with both the application of power and the removal of it. But I don't think that inertia has anything to do with it.
Anything I say regarding SM came from overunity.com - I make up nothing.
@poynt99
If you dont wish to see, why ask....
[snip]
The question is this, do you wish to see "kicks" or not? Just be honest with me. If you cannot grant me this, then it becomes evident that you have no wish to learn anything I may have to share with you, which means that communication between us is then just a complete waste of time and effort. I will simply stop communicating with such.
Paul Andrulis
IMHO, I do not believe it is a direct magnetic effect either, as kick and inrush occur in circuits in space systems (don't ask). SM's quote from the EE book about kicks was composed before the 70s, and tying the effect to the earth's magnetic field was a convenient explanation at the time. The kick only occurs in a cold circuit, as a warm circuit implies that there is already a pathway established. A warm circuit when pulsed exhibits a surge but no kick. In a cold circuit, there is an induced magnetic component as the fields around the conductor are established and atoms are entrained, just before flow can be measured - this from quantum physics. Also from quantum physics, a small number of 'looser' electrons will entrain more easily than average and start things moving before the coming inrush - this is SM's "kick" and Loner's "wavefront", and can be interpreted as 'free energy' because there was no traditional work done to cause the movement of these electrons. In a broader statement, the kick we see is the establishment of a voltage environment that joules can be transmitted through.
@zapnic
The principle SM was attempting to get across is a simple one, really. When electricity first flows in a circuit, you have the "inrush current". This current should technically flow at the same voltage as originally applied, yet it gains a sudden spike in voltage, at the same current. This boost is attributed to interaction with the earth's magnetic field.
In essence you put in 5V @ 100ma, and for a small fraction of a second, you see a spike of say 20v @ 100ma. For that fraction of a second you see over-unity. The sharper the input pulse and the cleaner the signal, the higher the initial voltage spike and, viola, the greater the factor of over-unity.
glad to hear the house got away unscathed. chopping wood is good for you, also good time for contemplation ;)
so, i could tell you what is going on with your circuit and explain why you're seeing what you're seeing, but i promised to keep my mouth shut ;D
maybe someone else will know it too...let's see
The problem is that most of today's electrical engineers tend to oversimplify things. When someone ask why something is going on in the circuit , they are citing some law or rule without explanation. There is always an "explanation".
Do you see something interesting about those kicks ? They are symmetrical , positive and negative kicks. I you find a way to create only positive or only negative kicks it will be usable.
@Grumpy
You know an interesting effect? There was a time, when they were building what are now called "antique engines", or popularly "hit - and - miss". Interesting things with big flywheels. They had batteries, but at the time, they had a very simple means of firing the spark to ignite the gasoline. It was called a "kick" coil.
What was a "kick" coil? A simple solid iron core solenoid, with a single winding of many, many turns.
By itself, nothing but a waste of battery juice, a big magnet.
What was amazing is that when points were placed so as to make and break the connection, without a capacitor to drain the excess voltage off, this coil could attain 5000v or more upon breaking of the points, so a timing system was devised which would make the contact before the spark was needed, fully energize the coil, then the massive spike at break which would fire the plug.... We also see this at the strike of an arc in an arc welder.
Thousands of volts from a low voltage source has always been a current phenomena from a lower voltage source.
Now, "Kick" coils did not have to be an iron core solenoid. They could also be an air core solenoid, even at higher voltages.........
Electrons have both mass and inertia. Try to stop them or start them suddenly, and they react.
Why don't they still use them? Kick coils (at least the iron cored ones) get HOT after enough use.
Paul Andrulis
here is the pattend i speek of look at the digrams ...
http://keelynet.com/tesla/00685958.pdf
i see a transmitter .... and a reciver ....
or if you perfer a kick and a kickback.....
what bothers me is this lil thing in many of his pattents called G altho it is not labeled G in this pattend it is there ..... it is your tranmistter
transmitt in ordor to recieve ....
you all herd that b4? lol
ist
well if i keep going hummmm what would be next ?? TESLAS FUELLESS GENERATOR :o :o 8)
now how does it work??
lol think i cant explain it try me ....
@duff - It's been many years since I was in a classroom, so I've had to really scrape the edges of my memory to recall much about reflection and I haven't had sufficient time yet to research it properly again. But the more I think about it the more I'm convinced we're not seeing reflection, as the kick appears on the leading edge of the pulse event. If memory serves, reflection happens after an event and may superimpose itself in such a way as to appear to be part of a pulse train. But we aren't necessarily talking about pulse trains here - a single pulse will show a kick. For it to be otherwise, we'd be looking at Einstein's "spooky action at a distance" and I don't think we're working in that realm.
@all
Here is the coil current flow pattern. Remember, the current is flowing from the inside of the inner coil, to the outside, while the current is flowing from the outside of the outer coil towards the inside with the current direction arrows as indicated.
By definition they are hooked in parallel, but in current flow they are parallel mirror opposites. That is why a regular schematic or simulation program can be worthless, unless it can differentiate pancake coil connections and action. If spice can, that would be great.
Paul Andrulis
@poynt99
Hmmm......... Coil type doesn't matter....... Winding direction doesn't matter.......
Basically you are stating is is an incorrect usage of the scope connections? (It is possible, I am not an expert.)
Or are you saying a basic principle? (Equally possible, as I tend to get lost in field examination sometimes.)
I have to disagree on the schematics statement though. Unless your schematics show the winding relationship and style of coil, then no conception of current flow/vs/magnetic field alignment can be attained without extra in detail winding explanation also provided.
Paul Andrulis
@Duff
I have been puzzling out your setup and I have one thing to say. I am lousy at explanation.
Dang, maybe this is too complicated of a setup. I made it opposing in all factors. Direction of rotation of current, spatial directional current flow, and generated magnetic field alignment. It is designed for all factors to hit an electrical "brick wall". The harder this is hit, the harder the wall.
You have two to many coils in your setup. There are no resistors. The necessary resistance is provided by each coils self-inductance and mutual opposing fields. The coils are not center tapped. (I bet you thought 3 and 4 were nodes. My fault not yours.)
It is an interesting concept though. the current flow would be strange, along with the magnetic fields..... kewl. A simple schematic of two coils in parallel is more accurate though.
By the way, if you build, try the magnet exeriment I suggested to poynt earlier.
Paul Andrulis
duff thanks for the modeling. what do you conclude from your particular (slightly odd) circuit and its results? is your circuit correct?
why are you measuring between node 1 and 2? is anyone paying attention to this...pick up an error maybe?
@duff
Concerning nodes1 & 2 on your schematic.... My coil is not center tapped, but I might be able to guess where center of coil is and scrape off some insulation and measure. I will have to reset frequency on my FG, but I can get it extremely close to the test setting. (I have been playing)
I will see what I can do....
no one has come forward and explained Paul's experiment as of today.
SM told us the kicks are overunity and that they are current kicks. the voltage kicks we see in Paul's scope shots are not overunity. they are a basic electrical reaction due to Lenz's law.
all things being ideal, the voltage kicks seen in Paul's post would have been closer to the 20V level, not 12V.
they are higher than the applied voltage--why?
because of Lenz's law, the inductor will produce a counter emf, and it is this cemf that we see as the 12V spikes.
the two concentric pancake coils is more complicated than it needs to be. wind a simple single air core inductor (solenoid) to give you about the same inductance as your pancake coil (about 20uH) and pulse it the same way. you'll get almost the same scope shot, with no ringing or resonance. the spikes will be there, both negative and positive as before.
every piece of wire no matter how long has some inductance, and every device that will drive this piece of wire has a finite output impedance (50 Ohm typical for function generators, and the crirical missing element in duff's model), so in theory it should be possible to produce these voltage kicks on demand. in fact in practice, it should be impossible to get rid of them.
so at the end of the day, what do we have? we have some transient cemf produced that exceeds the applied input voltage level, but current does not increase nor does the power, leaving us with exactly what we put in, minus some natural losses.
but we still don't have the kicks SM talked about, because the above kicks are not increases in current, and they aren't overunity.
so until now the peanut gallery has been mostly quiet about this. forgive me for breaking my promise of keeping quiet ;)
no one has come forward and explained Paul's experiment as of today.
SM told us the kicks are overunity and that they are current kicks. the voltage kicks we see in Paul's scope shots are not overunity. they are a basic electrical reaction due to Lenz's law.
all things being ideal, the voltage kicks seen in Paul's post would have been closer to the 20V level, not 12V.
they are higher than the applied voltage--why?
because of Lenz's law, the inductor will produce a counter emf, and it is this cemf that we see as the 12V spikes.
the two concentric pancake coils is more complicated than it needs to be. wind a simple single air core inductor (solenoid) to give you about the same inductance as your pancake coil (about 20uH) and pulse it the same way. you'll get almost the same scope shot, with no ringing or resonance. the spikes will be there, both negative and positive as before.
every piece of wire no matter how long has some inductance, and every device that will drive this piece of wire has a finite output impedance (50 Ohm typical for function generators, and the crirical missing element in duff's model), so in theory it should be possible to produce these voltage kicks on demand. in fact in practice, it should be impossible to get rid of them.
so at the end of the day, what do we have? we have some transient cemf produced that exceeds the applied input voltage level, but current does not increase nor does the power, leaving us with exactly what we put in, minus some natural losses.
but we still don't have the kicks SM talked about, because the above kicks are not increases in current, and they aren't overunity.
so until now the peanut gallery has been mostly quiet about this. forgive me for breaking my promise of keeping quiet ;)
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3354.0;attach=23805)
The kick is at the top of the bell curve edge hidden in the ringing. The next pulse in amplifies it. Unfortunately the DC part also causes its demise. The ringing in the DC part is the 2 forces fighting for control. The DC wins as shown by the stability of the voltage.
--giantkiller.
hey guys,
this from my super-ultra-infra-sonic-quadrature-heterodyning-phase-shifting-pre-emphasized-QAM-based-quantum-kick generator!
see the kick? it's right there! can't see it too well amongst all that noise, but it's there, i assure you ;)
:D LOL :D LOL :D LOL
Hey Troll,
Trying to mock a builder here is not cool. (Bad Troll!!)
NOW, if you actually EVER built anything..... OH, never mind, that will never happen. Time to crawl under your bridge, BEND OVER, and wait for the KICK!!! IT will be there, i assure you ;)
:D LOL :D LOL :D LOL
no one has come forward and explained Paul's experiment as of today.
SM told us the kicks are overunity and that they are current kicks. the voltage kicks we see in Paul's scope shots are not overunity. they are a basic electrical reaction due to Lenz's law.
all things being ideal, the voltage kicks seen in Paul's post would have been closer to the 20V level, not 12V.
they are higher than the applied voltage--why?
because of Lenz's law, the inductor will produce a counter emf, and it is this cemf that we see as the 12V spikes.
the two concentric pancake coils is more complicated than it needs to be. wind a simple single air core inductor (solenoid) to give you about the same inductance as your pancake coil (about 20uH) and pulse it the same way. you'll get almost the same scope shot, with no ringing or resonance. the spikes will be there, both negative and positive as before.
every piece of wire no matter how long has some inductance, and every device that will drive this piece of wire has a finite output impedance (50 Ohm typical for function generators, and the crirical missing element in duff's model), so in theory it should be possible to produce these voltage kicks on demand. in fact in practice, it should be impossible to get rid of them.
so at the end of the day, what do we have? we have some transient cemf produced that exceeds the applied input voltage level, but current does not increase nor does the power, leaving us with exactly what we put in, minus some natural losses.
but we still don't have the kicks SM talked about, because the above kicks are not increases in current, and they aren't overunity.
so until now the peanut gallery has been mostly quiet about this. forgive me for breaking my promise of keeping quiet ;)
There seems to be some odd concepts. Volatge is no more separate from the electrons it represents, as one aspect of their movement, than is amperage.
Simply put, you grumpy do not desire to communicate, you wish to declare without any debate allowed.
You misquote Tesla, then when shown HIS EXACT WORDS deny it as true.
Take for instance innovations arrogant statements made in the last couple of posts. I intend to check the quoted source EVEN IF I HAVE ALREADY READ IT, again, to see if what he says is true.
Tesla designed what was commonly called a "death ray", which has a common definition today..... a particle accelerator.
The magnetism of the earth is not comparable to gravity, which cant be seen as eminating perpendicularly from the surface of the earth.
Hey Troll,
Trying to mock a builder here is not cool. (Bad Troll!!)
NOW, if you actually EVER built anything..... OH, never mind, that will never happen. Time to crawl under your bridge, BEND OVER, and wait for the KICK!!! IT will be there, i assure you ;)
:D LOL :D LOL :D LOL
Hmmmmm. Interesting.
Two people trying to through out bull**** as truth. Both seemingly opposing, but serving the same end. Same corporation? I don't need to name any names. It should be clear to any reader.
To one of them, nice switch. Nailed to the proverbial wall with the back-emf concept, switched to "differentiated pulses" at the drop of a hat. I like that term.... sounds impressive, yet completely meaningless. Just like "transformer action".
To the other: No, you wouldn't know Tesla if he bit you in the keaster, apparently. The "Death Ray" used the magnifying transmitter for power only, to drive a linear particle accelerator. (Yes, particle...) Oh, I forgot, you ignore what Tesla himself said. You seem to know more than him.
I don't think you are MIB gentlemen, I think you are worse than MIB. I think you are posers. Attention hounds. Intellectually effete.
If you were MIB you would be fired for being so lousy and transparent at the job. I hear quite a bit of talk, mostly BS, so why don't each of you do something more enlightening and satisfying, like build something.
Paul Andrulis
Stanley Meyer used the proper wave,but how he was able to do it ?
@ Duff,
you're probably the only one interested in this, so i'm just posting the netlist. it's the simple single inductor version, which won't give the exact results as Paul's but close enough. you'll see the differentiation effect and voltage peak anyway:Vgen 1 0 Pulse -10 10 0 10n 10n 6.25u 12.5u
Rgen 1 2 50
L1 2 3 20uH
R1 3 0 1.2
@poynt
Ok - maybe I can learn something here, so please give me some explanation.
To me the circuit does not represent Pauls circuit in that you don't show both bifilar inductors with opposing polarity.
The differentiation is bascially voltage across the inductor as a result of the RL time constant.
I like the output waveform but I don't understand why the -10 volt pulse ???
If I apply a positve pulse everything goes to hell - I don't get that at all...
-Duff
@all
I wish to point out some things which seem to have gotten lost since I first posted:
1. The effect is common. No kidding it has a "common buzzword" in EE. I stated it would.
2. I stated that I was going to have to deal with just this sort of BS, even with the complex test.
Yes, you are looking at "wave differentiation". I still think it is a cute word, with little meaning.
DEFINITION:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/differentiation (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/differentiation)
Look it up. ;D You will quickly find it is a buzzword. The usage as Grumpster posted is used in the manner of a differential op-amp.
Interesting enough, you see this effect to some degree all the time, even in full waveforms.
A non-integrating wave. Just because an effect has a common term applied to it, does not change anything. I explained this was so earlier. Nothing is therefore "relegated away", or "crap" as one so "quaintly" put it.
Paul Andrulis
@ Duff
the single inductor shows you the same effect, just a slightly different wave form. but here is the dual bucking version since you asked. i threw in a small parallel capacitor for good measure.
schematic, wave form, wave form vertical zoomed, more or less like Paul did in his post. the netlist is here also. sorry for the funny net numbers.
i am sure Paul's generator is swinging plus and minus 10V, so that's what i did. you won't get the right levels measured if you use only +10V and 0V. does it make sense now?
Even when you are told that your pulses are crap you refuse to accept it. Go ahead and drown in your self-gratifying BS.
You keep claiming that I misquote Tesla, yet you only repeat the hearsay and BS on the web about him.
Come on Paul, try to prove me wrong. You can't. If you had any sense you would listen to every word I say and apply it, but you never will.
You could get rid of the neg pulses, clamp the crap out of the pos one (to raise them way above zero) and use them to excite a third coil - wa-la - RE coming out your ass. But you won't even try cause you think we're all full of crap.
I'll keep trying to help you a little longer, but I am tiring.
You made a rediculous statement to MIB and now you accuse Poynt99 and myself of being MIB? Hillarious.
Allright - all BS and joking aside. Let's move on.
About the differentiation, see attached image - notice the pulses coincide with the transitions of the square wave? The top image is double differentiation - notice the pulse is tighter but you get a quick reversal at each pulse?
Yes, grumpy, you are the master, the authority, the one guru here whom has complete and infallible understanding of all you survey. Your understanding of Tesla's works has relegated you into the position of religious leader for all Teslites.
All anyone has to do is go back in this very thread to discover that, concerning Tesla's own definition of radiant energy, his words were quoted, YOU stated his words incorrect.
They were quoted directly from his own patent dealing with the subject, not just some "BS" on the web. Nice try, or should I say nice foot in mouth..
Concerning the wave phenomena, you were the only one right, which was VERY surprising. However, it changes nothing, as you would understand if you bothered to understand my initial posts. I SAID it was common. Now, you actually did post the common term for a common effect. You want a star? To quote you, "Whoop-de-dooo".
No kidding that a common effect has a common term also associated with it.
I have sense, and now I intend to refuse to respond to your posts which are "attitudinal", to use slang.
Why, when SM stated this device works off of magnetic fields, should I be concerned with RE?
You have also in the hubbard coil thread stated a position of mine wrong because of harmonics, and you referred as proof to the "magnifying transmitter" as proof. The only problem is that there is no evidence whatsoever linking the TPU tech with the magnifying transmitter tech. NONE.
I already stated I am tired of this, and more than hinted that your refusal to attempt to communicate with me is fine, actually more than just merely fine, it is desirable.
I didn't say you were MIB, just that it is a possibility. I stated quite clearly that I assume you are POSERS. However, without proof nothing is truly ruled out, since what you do has the same overall effect..
Good going.... You figured it out.
Now explain it, how it affects fields within the circuit, how it affects current flow, etc......
Paul Andrulis
Differentiation has NOTHING to do with op-amps?? (In what universe?)
You are speaking to the air.
Three pages almost completely wasted......... and worse, a monumental waste of my time and effort, except for maybe a few....
@Ponyt,
I understand what your saying however to me it does not account for the way Paul
made the connections. I'm still thinking my orginal post is closer even though
I did not get the correct voltage levels.
Your bucking coils I buy, but they are not bifilar and reflect the connection Paul
made.
The schematics will hopefully illustrate what I'm saying.
(http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7523/kickcir01ho3.jpg)
I appreciate your work in posting the models and hope you can see my point.
-Duff
@ Duff,
Paul's drawing is showing 2 coils only, not 4. please correct your drawing. my schematic shows 2 coils (the transformer), and they are connected in phase reverse of each other.
my coils are closer to bifilar than Paul's are. Paul purposely did not wind his bifilar.
sorry, i'm not sure if i'm answering your questions.
@Duff
Now I see. You thought I posted four coils with my schematic. No there are just two single pancake, non-bifilar coils used for the experiment.
I had to use two circles to demonstrate the inner and outer windings of each coil. I am lousy at free-handed drawing of spirals in MSpaint.
It is not your fault, it is mine. Sorry for the confusion.
Paul Andrulis
i think there is only one thing to do at this point in time---move on
in the mean time, i wonder if anyone can figure out how this guy performed this trick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTAJp5KyRIY&NR=1
Wanna see a kick, build a kickcoil.. ;D ;D
Greetings Spider
Bascially imparting viscosity parameters to electrical phenomenon.
Wanna see a kick, build a kickcoil.. ;D ;D
Greetings Spider
the kick as i see it
imagine a bubble like our ionasphere now make a bubble inside that bubble like a magnetic feild ok got that colapse that bubble what is the result? the big bubble that this takes place inside will push upon the collapsed bubble and some engery will be expelled from the big bubble to make up the space of where the little bubble was ... and if this was air inside the bubble and you had a valve like a 1 way valve upon the colapse of the bubble u could draw air from the big bubble as the pressure is higher in the big bubble
well that was a mess but i tryed
lol
ist
ill give her another go when i collect my thoughts....
Ok Spider, that's a nice display, assuming the scope inputs are of equal setting.
Here's my problem. If I "assume" an iron delay coil is in use in the SM device, it would be in the Collector, because
the control coils are obvious. Now we must feed the Collector?
I'm really trying to stick with visible items on the smaller SM units, so I can stick with what I can see. This may not
be an effective method, but it's where I'm at. Of course one can create a "Kick" the way you did. If this IS the mode
of operation, then the "Kick" coil is the collector, and the Input signal is from the Control coils, then there is still a
different situation going on here. (Not normal induction into Collector....)
Maybe the idea is the "Kick" coil is the seperate "Torrid"?
I'm still not saying wrong or right, but to me, it would be visable if the control coils were not "Lamp Wire" and/or had
Iron wire mixed in. I can therefore eliminate that from the control coils, no question.
Also, was it SM who said the "Kicks" were OU, or was it the follow up people? Not to say they are wrong, but I was
under a different impression. SM DID infer that, but I didn't think those words were used. He DID state the "Kick"
he was using was a Current Kick, and yet most of the "Good" designs are using voltage pulses to produce the
"Kick".
Not to repeat myself, but I still see two non-convergent methods here. I guess it's up to me to test and prove one
way or another. (Note: Spiders "Iron" delay coil is GREAT. Will any of the "Voltage Pulse" proponents explain
how it could possibly be used if NO magnetic materials should be in the device?)
Here is my "Real - World" problem AGAIN. Divergent designs. I cannot seem to produce a kick, without a "Delay"
of an actual signal, and no matter how much I play with "Pure Copper" coils, the elusive "Kick" will not appear. I
can produce many interesting effects, but NOT the simple effect spider just showed. Add a little iron delay coil,
and it's a different story, but the two methods I mentioned can't be reconciled.
THere is either Iron in the device or not. I need a little help here, for I don't think anyone has stated HOW to do
this without the Iron, using the "Kick". The original Spherics post is fantastic, as mentioned, but precludes the
use of iron in the system, meaning that "Kick" production is using that "Comp" field, as described in that post.
This is an aether-based device, and probably a better design, by a long shot, but it IS NOT an SM TPU.
I can't make it much clearer than that. I realize I'm not the best with words, but logic inside me is my best
strength, and there is a confusion factor here. I don't WANT to skip by SM to go the Aether Route, as posted.
If I not making myself and my question clear, then I guess I'm on my own till I have test data to back up anything
either way. Hopefully, I can Reproduce Spiders effect in a collector via Mag or Electrostatic induction. That
Iron wire would run hot as heck, but at least I would know what was up. The ONLY thing I can be sure of
rightnow is that there is NO IRON in the Control coils on the small open units from SM, and that those coils
aren't big enough to form an aetheric vortex with the simple circuitry seen on the device. (It seems...)
Any other helpful hints. Obviously, I'm gonna have to wind and test this today, just to prove to myself that
I can obtain a "Kick" in an Iron coil, without directly sending in a signal. If it's induced via Cap effect or
inductive effect is secondary. This all assumes the "Kick" is directly OU, of which I am not fully convinced
either way, YET! ;D ;D
OK, maybe I'm too thick headed, but I have to follow my feelings on this one, at least for a while.
Art.
now were getting some where..... ;D ;D
good job forest
ist
now forest if you could discharge that to a primary of low selfinduction wound on the collector coil what would be the result? out put out the secondary ?
and this would then be hot electricty or normal electricty the out put of the seccondary?
im intrested in hearing your results 8)
Please, where can I find Spheric posts ? I don't understand those two pictures. They looks to me like Tesla experiments with displacement currents. If this is true that what I'm missing is the advantage of toroid core and rotating magnetic fields.
Hmm,it can't be so easy...
Open path vs closed path... How would you enlarge displacement current and convert it back to ordinary hot current ?
Is open path and high frequency oscillation the key and magnetic fields and toroid core only an engineering choice to maintain it ? In other words : could we implement the simplest device first ?
Does someone has a knowledge if capacitors are used in TPU ?
Well Bruce,
Here is a simple experiment everybody can do.
It is about the infamous iron delay coils.
Tho you have to go into the nanoseconds to see it, its worth it. :)
greetings Spider
PS, I never said I would post anything usefull, I just wanted to show off my equipment LOL
hi spider.
what are we looking at there?
Tesla starts off stating in his disclosure patent on bifilar wound coils, that a tuned circuit will pass hf currents with only ohmic losses. Then he states that capacitors are a pain in the ass to keep maintained. So he describes a process wherein he uses bifilar wound coils with series connection of the elements to build the capacitance into the coil. He goes on and desribes a coil with a 1000 turns and 10 volts potential between turns. So he is pulsing the coil and looking at each turn as a capacitor. Then the patent goes and describes the bifilar gain in capacity by developing more voltage between each turn and between element turns. Then he states "the energy stored now in the coil as a whole will now be two hundred and fitfy
thousand as great."
What this is telling me is that instead of the hf or kicks or nanosecond spikes altering the magnetic field
(an inertial deal) it is first eliciting then storing voltage from mass. When determining inductance of a solenoid the surface area of the conductor is only considered not the VOLUME of the conductor. This implies that inductance is relative to the conductors radiating surface. No consideration is given to the energy field density within the conductor.
Charge itself is a differential distribution of energy and exists between fields of differing electrical density
Not different mass density-- different electrical density.
The kick is a catalyst so seeing it is going to be rough. Seeing it's effect on differing mass may be more practical. This puts us back in Faraday's lab.
@Poynt
I made a simple 30 turn coil on a pvc pipe, 32 mm dia, from iron wire I bought at the DIY store.
Just to get some experience with coils and scopes and generators. Made some 10 turn, 20 turn too.
6 months ago I owned nothing more then a multimeter. One end is in the pulse gen, other end is connected to the scope. The second channel of the scope is in the pulse gens TTL. Pulse gen is 10 MHZ.
SPIDER nice build almost has that factory look Chet PS which end do you light
This thread is like one of those Twighlight Zone episodes where the characters keep living the same day over and over.
The same questions, the same answers, and no results.
At least five different ways to see the real "kick" have been provided to this forum and no one has bothered to try any of them.
Spider's scope does not show the "kick".
@innovation
Don't have the patent copy here at my office but will post it later.. Tesla would discharge his "flux capacitor" into devices of high self-inductance like electric motor coils, which as in your signature represent a high impedance to the kick's coming from the spark gap. Flux capacitor acting as a frequency converter. When Deforest perfected the vacuum tube Tesla must have been overjoyed. Hi frequency event of tempic field energy input stashed in his flux capacitor and discharged as a low frequency energy flow into his motors lightbulbs and transformer primaries, all without the use of finicky air parameters. Just a little energy input from the tempic electrical field at high frequency ending up flowing through devices of low frequency conversion.
I have tried to impart the importance of definitions, and generally receive rebuff or rebuke.
However, I am going to break it down. First, has anyone seen what they define as "kicks" on a scope?
The reason I ask, is simple that an oscilloscope does not read amperage..... it reads voltage. Changes in measured voltage over a measured period of time, to be specific.
So, if ANYONE claims to see kicks on a scope, then a change in voltage is involved, pure and simple, or it would not register on the scope to begin with.
Now, the voltage represented on the scope does not have to be the original effect. It can be a side effect of the original effect. I say this as a sudden change in amperage causes a sudden change in voltage as well. So, a high voltage "spike" can well be caused by a sudden change in the applied current.
Now we come back to SM...
Did SM claim to see the kicks? If so on what? If on an oscilloscope, then he was looking for voltage changes.
He stated "current" kicks. This can have TWO CLOSE BUT SEPERATE MEANINGS.
1. It can mean current in the sense of amperage (they are often used synonymously)
2. It can means current in the sense of electron flow (which refers to the entire current of electricity flowing in a wire. Both Voltage and amperage.)
This is just a personal observation, but I infer from his words the second, since I believe he was using an oscilloscope to search for the effect. Being a voltage measuring device, you could never be sure that what you are viewing is a change in amperage.......
Paul Andrulis
ok bruce, i'll ask for help about the spherics stuff.
in your drawing 1, where do you scope it? A-B, A+B, A AND B, A only, B only, which one?
in your drawing 2 you've used the spherics idea and configured it for the Steven Mark version i'm guessing. the kick coils, they are 3 separate coils with their own delay coils. ok, got that. are the 3 kick coils wound as toroidal coils sharing the same toroid form, or are they pointing toward the toroid from outside of it?
it looks to me like you are pointing the 3 control (kick) coils inward toward the toroid.
i'm open to these ideas, but 3 things don't equate to what SM told/showed us:
1. the collector is poloidal, yours/spherics is toroidal
2. the control coils are toroidal around the poloidal collector, your controls are separate solenoid coils pointing inward
3. SM calls for a frequency and 2 of its harmonics. spherics calls for 1 phase-shifted frequency.
appreciate any help on these points/questions.
Amperage by itself cannot "spike" OR "kick" without a corresponding increase of voltage.
Hence the use of the oscope. "Current probes" are available to convert current readings to voltage for viewing on the oscope.
Attached is a modified image of the earlier diagram for seeing the effect.
Basically, you pulse the two coils at their resonant freq with square waves (0 to 20v or more) - then adjust the iron length until you see "little green men" on the scope - aka fluttery spiky stuff.
So, wind 'em up and put yer scopes in x-y mode - yee-haw!
@grumpy,
could you post a pic of your kick scope shot please.
thanks
oh, and did you mean A-B mode or XY mode for the scope?
Posting that would be "proof", but I've been thinking about it.
XY mode to find the resonant freq of the coil and then back to normal when you trim the iron wire. This was for anyone who is actually going to do this experiment. I'll probably use a DIP meter. Anyone who is rusty on finding the resonant frequency or has never done it, instructions should be in your oscope manual.
it would probably get a lot more people trying the spherics kick coil if you did post it. is that what you used?
I believe the delay coil absorbs the hi freq pulse energy so a voltage gradient is set up between the bifilar elements. This is all well and good for seeing the kick. But not so good for concentrating the the kick invested energy. Series connecting the two bifilar ends will setup a higher turn to turn capacitance for the energy input.
It appears I have been too brief in my presentation. I truly believed that there would be a group here who would be able to make the leap between the Steven Mark devices you are familiar with and the design that I showed.
Firstly although this has been mooted I am not Jack. All I will say is the interview says more about the character of Jack than it does Steven Mark. I will also add that the SM device uses rotation. I say this without doubt and Jack is wrong in saying rotation is not necessary.
I will now talk about the Steven Mark designs you have seen in the videos and the like so you will understand why my design at the start of this message works.
The SM designs all work on the same set of principles. A pulse into a coil generates an expanding magnetic field. The magnetic field comes into being by an underlying patterning of the ether. It is a cascade action on the part of the ether that causes the EFFECT of an expanding magnetic field. If you then cause a second magnetic field to expand through the same space as the already expanding magnetic field, a specific cascading action, a pattern is setup in the ether which is the EQUIVALENT of a magnetic field and has many of the characteristics of a magnetic field. By this I mean it will interact with metals, and cause the EFFECT of a current, IF the field is moving across the metal. I will refer to this field as a COMP field from now on. But please be clear this COMP field is in addition to the expected magnetic field. This COMP field, a patterning in the ether, is dampened and effectively nulled by magnetic metals. This is why if you are using an iron core in the coils named control coils you will never get a working TPU.
No doubt this may be disconcerting to many who have fond references to baling wire, iron wire and the like. I will now digress onto the circumstance surrounding the initial eureka moment as I understand them. Audiophiles who frequent this watering-hole will no doubt have heard of QUAD ESL electrostatic speakers. An essential design element is the incoming signal is sent into, I believe, 7 or 8 progressive delay elements. These elements delay the signal by microseconds each time.
As part of experiments, associated with what would become his 3D spacial control patents, he was using these delay elements with custom made bifilar wound voice coils (i.e. air coils) and unexpectedly detected an anomalous signal on his spectrum analyser.
Steven Mark created his own delay elements using iron wire after several years of intermittent experimentation. The technique was to carefully wrap a bifilar air-coil using copper wire. The longer the length of copper the better but using identical lengths. The two coils were connected to the SAME pulse waveforms in parallel so that the magnetic field is additive NOT canceling. The delay element was added in series to only one of the coils that made up the bifilar coil. The delay coil was made from insulated iron wire wound into an air coil. An oscilloscope was connected to both COPPER coils. The setup would be pulsed with a dc offset square wave (i.e. 0 to 20V not -10 to 10V) at the resonant frequency of the bifilar coils. The tuning consisted of cutting the iron wire down in length until an unexpected pulse/signal appeared. This pulse is the kick. I will refer to these tuned bifilar coils as kick coils.
You are privy to the information that the COMP field is nulled by iron. Those who so wish may like to take some time to fully comprehend the frustrations of closely packing the delay and bifilar coils together only to find the unexpected pulse was no longer appearing!!! This is what SM had to contend. And Jack says SM was not technical. Bunkum!!
From traditional electrical engineering view point the kick coils for a particular quantity of energy now put out the expected magnetic field but also put out the COMP field which has effects like a magnetic field. In a world that excludes the ether, these coils are overunity. If the world took into account the ether, then the coils would not be thought of as overunity.
The magnetic field is now larger than expected. All that needs to be done is to rotate this field in a circle and intercept the field with an output coil. The captured energy is greater than the input energy because of the energy apparently created by the COMP field. If you arrange all N poles of the kicker coils so that they point towards the center and pulse each coil in turn you will get a rotating magnetic field. There are many ways to create a rotating magnetic field. A secondary effect of a rotating field is the entrainment of the COMP field so that the pattern in the ether is partially additive. A big problem was the iron in the delay coils. It was found that a large solenoid fed with a DC current to produce a static magnetic field around all of the kicker coils allowed the kicker coils to be tuned with the iron delay coils in close proximity.
Intercepting only N poles of the kicker coils means you get a DC output along with a smaller induced ripple from pulsing the kicker coils.
Feedback of the output into the input was achieved using toroidal saturable inductor switches. I've copied the picture from other messages of the inductor switches. Refer to the patent for an example to see how these switches are used. Early designs used a small magnet to bias the saturable inductors.
All SM devices had small batteries to power the LC oscillators. The LC oscillators were used as control pulse currents to the saturable inductors. To start the process high voltage capacitors were step charged, this is why the coils took time to start-up! The first few pulses came from these pre-charged capacitors being switched via saturable inductors. Part of the DC output was feedback to keep the capacitors fully charged.
My design shown at the very start of this message thread eliminated the need for an iron delay coil because the pattern is set up in the ether outside of the influence of copper metal of the control coils. It directly allows the COMP field to be generated IN FREE SPACE. By placing the output toroidal coil within this free space the COMP field is intercepted. The complete lack of any magnetic materials within this design is what allows this to happen.
I do believe there are elements of information here that you will not have been aware of before. I trust this is enough to convince at least some of you to reflect and ponder more seriously on this material.
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19820016542_1982016542.pdf
@GrumpyI need the slickness so i can easily push the wires into position. I'm using 3" poly drain pipe for this one. This will put the diameter close to the length for max self-induction. I learned this from Dollard, but have since seen several radio guys use coils with these dimensions (length = diameter).
If you have problems winding loose bifiliars on pvc, that is because of the slickness of the material. You can coat it with a thin layer of molten beeswax and it makes winding much simpler.
By the way, I prefer cardboard tube because of the texture of the material, and mine is already wound. (2 lengths bifilar approx 60ft each 24ga, with iron "delay" coil.)
Paul Andrulis
@wattsup.
You could try the 3x bifilar right away.
my coil is 31 layers, 106 (2x53) turns per layer. It resonates at about 35 kHz.
I would suggest to connect 2 channels of 2 scopes at either end of the bifilar coil. Maybe that will show even more.
Still working on the power. I am told that I need at least 300V pulses.
More to come.....
@Grumpy
Happy winding! :)
Greetings Spider.
The big thing seems to be "SM found a way to get the "Iron" coils close to the TPU without it killing
the effect." If you agree with that statement, I would like to hear that from you.
I have an important question (At least to me) that I would like to ask. This "Signal" delay. Does it
HAVE to be an Iron delay coil, or can I use (I'm trying it, but no success yet...) components. In sticking
with older info, and assuming that certain info is correct, I was hoping to introduce the same type of
delay via several germainium (SP) diodes. (Avoiding silicon, for obvious reasons..) They seem to be
much less common, but I have a few and have been playing, but crisped enough to re-try without some
motivation that there could be results. Am I way out in left field there??
Please note: I have stated, for a long time, that I considered any magnetic material as a cheat. I
know no-one remembers this, but I asked these questions for the specific reason of forcing people
in the know to bring forth more information. (Seems that is starting to work, but who knows.) My
favorite coil setup has NO Iron in it, but causes me trouble. Very hard to get anything useful out
of it, until it takes off and fries all my components. (That got old quick!)
OK, I've asked. Now here we go again. IF you need iron in the coil to produce the "Kick", or even
seperate. (I'll go for the Pic that "Bruce" put out.) That's perfectly acceptable. Now how does one
get this same "Kick" with no "Iron" coil. My diode ain't cutting it yet. (Probably never will.) Spark
gap ain't in the agenda, that's different tech. High pulse rate didn't help, and has gotten me nowhere
after spending quite a few (Around 40) hours making some nice coils with 40 AWG wire, in a nice
format and rotating the hack out of them with a "Borrowed" pulser for a laser (I couldn't keep it, many $$$)
(In Reality, --- Deleted --- Details are too stupid for me to admit...PS was too good, and I pushed at the end.)
I really feel I must be too dumb for this, or am missing a key ingrediant. At one time I really thought I
was going somewhere, but after all the time effort, and $, following what should have been a great method,
I had less output than my original flat, Tesla based, coil with turn organized like SM's original. (Sorta?)
I guess I'm just frustrated, and following too many rules, but that's why I started the inquiry the way I did.
It seems others are asking the same thing, but in better ways than I. My Original, non posted, "Kick"
coil was actually a basic bi-filer coil being fed from an osc to one lead and through the "Garden" iron
wire coil on the other. Yes, results were interesting. The "Garden" coil was OK to closer than three
feet, but not too much. What got me there was Unconnected metal had an effect as well. Honestly,
that was so early in the stuff I did (Original from Bedini, when that info was going around) and before
I had even heard of OU.com, that I don't have pics, scope shots, or anything. Just pulling out the
"Green" wire coils brought back a lot, and I am a pack-rat when ti comes to Junk. Time to pull them
back out, and re-test all of that. I do remember, that "Green" paint doesn't insulate well, and HV on
the coils shouldn't be touched. (Strange how shocks improve the memory ;D) I also clearly remember
that these setups, the Bi-filar coil at least, put out more than just a Kick, at HV.
Note on spiders output. I stated, IF the input and output were as I assumed, that would be a "Kick".
I state right now, If the output HAD the SAME peak voltage, with a "Wider" wave, that would have been
a Kick. Now, seeing his most recient posting, it becomes obvious that that is the normal "Coil" effect.
(I only wish that the output wave peak HAD been the same height!!)
Sorry to all, I now feel stupid. If I wind two more "Garden" iron wire coils, so I have four, and feed this into
the big coil bi-filer coils, I wonder..... I (Dumb!!) actually never considered using that much space, just for
a test. I have to assume that the Iron coils need the seperation from each other as well. I guess I'll have
to clear a large space on a concrete floor (No Nails!) to get a free circle with a 6 foot diameter, just to test.
If that produces any output, I will happily accept being called stupid. Time for me to wind now.
Art.
PS. Another Dumb question. If RE (In Theory) can be insulated by polymers, (Long String..) Isn't PVC
a polymer? Chemistry was never one of my big things, but I Have been sticking to high-den Phenolic
tubes, just for that reason. (From my Tesla coil days.) If PVC is OK, someone PLEASE verify that,
because it would be much easier to obtain in various sizes. If PVC is not a polymer, just let me know,
and I'll try to be less ignorant in the future. (If no-one comments, I can look it up, but if your typing
already, and I can save the search time, that would be appreciated.)
ding ding? ding-dong
The Spherics coil being considered will demonstrate the differential voltage developed by conductors bifilar wound and pulsed with dc. This kick illicited voltage is the same thing that happens when a radio signal hits a receiver antennae. The mass in the antennae responds to the kick produced at the radio station. Now when you consider how many molecules get kicked from one kick from a radio station tube you can understand the Energy doesn't come from the kick but from the mass the kick encounters.
It is radiated from the mass the kick encounters.
SM puts a radio transmitter inside his torroidal ring and powers her up.
He uses the coils of the control windings for transmitter antennaes. He uses his iron delay coil to split the transmitter kicks. (Latter designs use two off- tuned transmitters.) He puts a receiver antennae inside the torroidal transmitter windings and voila the light bulbs light.
Anyone ever seen a waveform like this?
This is from Ossie's magnet motor - Bedini-ish type.
I have seen similar (a little sweeter) from a Newman motor.
Anyone ever seen a waveform like this?
This is from Ossie's magnet motor - Bedini-ish type.
I have seen similar (a little sweeter) from a Newman motor.
Grumpy
This is pure radiant created by a reed switch in the base line of a power transistor, switched by passing rotor magnets. Nothing difficult here except minimising the burn on the reed contacts by careful positioning.
I would say that this is the direction we should be looking. I'm currently applying this idea to my Bedini SG motors.
Hoppy
Anyone ever seen a waveform like this?
This is from Ossie's magnet motor - Bedini-ish type.
I have seen similar (a little sweeter) from a Newman motor.
Gentlemen, my compliments, you have build some very nice coils in such a short time :)
Greetings Spider.
@wattsup, not sure what you're doing there, but I suspect you're not hooked up correctly to see any delay. Grumpy's diagram on the previous page is not wired correctly (scope in the wrong place).
Take a look at my new diagram below.
What happens is that when the voltage of the square wave transitions, the iron coil doesn't conduct current right away for that particular polarity, and a voltage drop occurs across it (V = L di/dt) and as the current increases other components get loaded and carry the voltage drop, so basicaly this is seen on the scope as a delay(with time pulses, and as a phase shift with sinewaves).
In your case, your Z = jwL, (an inductor) and for this you will not see a delay since I suspect the inductance of the iron coil is a very small percentage of the inductance of the larger coil. What "Z" you use makes a difference.
Anyway, that's my take on this whole delay business. If you understand phasors you will see how a coil (and a capacitor) introduce a 90 degree phase shift. The iron coil just has more inductance per length of wire compared to copper, but it can't compete with a copper coil that has a huge number of turns.
EM
P.S. Obviously, both probes are referenced to ground, just like the signal.
It's sad that a couple of people have tried this experiment and concluded that there is nothing to see.
They post no data other than a picture, if even that.
No one even asked about the length of the iron wire required or the amount of delay - they just jumped to the preconcieved conclusion that it doesn't work as described. For all they know it takes 100 feet of iron wire or 2 inches.
The required delay could be anywhere from a few ns to a microsecond. How much iron does that take?
I found one source for velocity of electric wave in iron = 101700 km/s - compared to copper at 299500 km/s.
Anyway if you iron can give you a microsecond - it should be long enough - however long that is.
@all
I am going to have to back up grumpy on this, as he is speaking truth. Electricity has been known to travel at different rates of speed through different materials for a long time. The higher the resistance, the slower the propagation.
Nichrome wire (heating elements in electric heaters), for instance takes a LOT longer than iron for electricity to flow through, but heats up MUCH more. This is true for each substance, as the higher the resistance, the higher the heat, the slower the electrons travel through. Substances with lower internal resistance such as gold propagate electricity faster than copper.
However, what I saw in my coil setup was variations on a theme of voltage spikes with phasing. I have seen this in several of my TPU builds, and MANY of the pancake and/or bifiliar coil variations that I have experimented with. I have even seen variations of the theme for the scope shot you posted concerning the magnet motor.
That is why I want to know what you are calling kicks. Like I said elsewhere, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt.
I actually have the feeling that what I am calling kicks actually IS what you are calling kicks. You may disagree, but I am certain you can achieve kicks from AC as well, though I do not know what the effects would be on the negative kick cycles.
Paul Andrulis
I may have a photo for you... when I take it that is. I may try to do it later tonight, if possible.
It is not with this delayed device, it is with my replication of EM's "mysterious resonant circuit". The only way I can think to describe the effect is "kicks".... nothing else would seem to fit. I will let you all decide.
Also, 70V kicks to boot, from a lousy 9v battery supply, with all turns matching on the toroid (3 parallel wound at 14 turns each) except for the trigger coil (8 turns) ....
Seriously, this should be a 1:1 ratio form of transformer, but it isn't.
I just don't understand why they are present in the middle of the pulse waveforms. The pulses at the ends make sense.
Oh well.
Paul Andrulis
@Forest
I have found that this effect has a veeeeeeery small resonance range at which it happens in this device. What is worse, it is reeeeeaaal close to where the npn goes POOF. (GK wasnt joking) Tiny paperweights, I have about fifteen of them so far. ;D
(Voltage increases rapidly in a small change of frequency.)
Paul Andrulis
I've never photo'd a kick. Really no reason to. Everyone that I hang with knows what they are.
NOW WHAT IS THE IMPORTANCE?
The ONLY TWO MEANS of fluctuating the amperage, is with a fluctuation of resistance (which I dont even know if it is possible realistically), or to fluctuate the VOLTAGE. (I=V/R)
With a fluctuation of voltage across a given circuit resistance, comes a fluctuation in amperage.
So, whether we are talking amperage "kicks" (spikes), then we should look specifically for voltage "kicks" or "spikes".....
Amperage by itself cannot "spike" OR "kick" without a corresponding increase of voltage.
an ampere is one coulomb of charge going past a given point in the duration of one second
What happens if you change the definition of "one second"?
Just lost horizonatal on my scope. Bought a 36-pack of beer to replace it with - LOL!
BEP - on the "second" - change the rate of entropy (time) and you run with gain.
Beer as horizontal sweep replacement? I suppose that depends on how much you drink. I stopped the liquid electronics repair some years ago so I can't help you there. Good Luck!
Entropy? Yes, I agree but one big problem.... In order to prove the concept you must produce at least two entropic frames of reference, one longer than the other, one for that 'point' and the load connection and another 'normal' for the source of current.
So which will you use as a test? A nuclear blast, lightning strike, EMP generator or produce a wave to push another wave beyond that 'sound barrier'?
Even though I no longer drink, a beer sounds like a better test.
That's about all the energy I have after a week of 12 hour shifts( no OU in these aging bones! )
@Bruce_TPU
thanks for confirming my thoughts on the spherics stuff.
i feel remiss in my invitations:
i'd like to invite you also to post a pic of your kick scope shots you've made.
thanks.
@Bruce--- are you there?
could you post your pic please?
No.
Actually I am building a Coil(s) and do not have the time to do anything else at this point.
Sorry, you will have to actually try this yourself.
Oh wait, I forgot, you don't build anything. ;)
I have already had my confirmation of the kick, some time ago.
translations in red:
ain't got one, never produced or seen one of my own.
haven't built the spherics coil, and so haven't tested it.
haven't built the spherics coil, and so haven't tested it. haven't even tried a simple piece of wire either. please build and test it so we can see the real deal, because we haven't a clue how to go about it, even though we talk like we do.
i assume poynt99 has built nothing, and the junk i've built has produced nothing...notwithstanding, i'm still better than him anyway.
me and the elite cats i hang with (grumpy et al) are all experts and authorities on the kick even though none of us can produce a photo of one. the ambiguous photos posted by gk, marco and others is all the confirmation we need that they exist, even though we can't prove that they are the real deal, nor have we created one ourselves.
the shotgun approach only goes so far. not all are so gullible.
OK guys. Enough!
Seeing that I am stuck on ALL that I am trying to do, I'm taking the responsibility to "PROVE",
once and for all, the details and existence of the kick, and how "exactly" to produce and detect
it. Grumpy, I may even figure a way to show it without a scope, but I am sure it will require one
to prove that IS what it is. Even a Neon, could produce light without a "Kick", so this may be
not possible without scope shots AND basic loads, light lights.
Here's my method, open for changing, but I'm pulling this one until it's done. 1 hour, 10 hours,
or as long as it takes! Starting with a simple Bifilar coil, sitting on the workbench. I'm going
to put a coil on top of this. OK so far? Two Spools, Bifilar on bottom, single wind on top, no
core used. (Hopefully, this will work.) I'll start by sending pulses into ONE of the Bifilar winds,
and measure the output of the top coil. Then the other Bifilar wind, and measure. Then Both
Bifilar at the same phase, and measure output. This should be a sufficient baseline, no?
Next, I'll alter the phase of ONE of the two bifilar winds, while measuring the output. IF a
"Kick" exists, I should be able to produce some kind of boosted output, at some phase
difference, assuming that I understand any of this. If this won't work, for any reason that
anyone knows, PLEASE tell me ASAP so I don't stay awake for 48 hours trying to do a
documented test that cannot produce results!!!!
If this works, I can post the scope shots, the schematics, etc. Would that be sufficient to
settle this for both the doubters and the ones who understand? It will certainly help me to
become more familar with the field effects, and though I"ll post the "Kick" results, be asured
that's not the only reason to do this basic of a test. (Imagine small coil kicks, easily avail...)
OK? I'm at the bench "RIGHT NOW!" I'll post here to say I've stopped of finished, and I'll
post ANY results in the "Test Results" thread, just to keep things organized.
I've never been a good teacher, but I'll give a demo a try. Feels like I'm back in the Labs of
old, documenting an untried circuit. Hopefully, the components survive this one. I'll even
note on any prints I draw as to where the scope probes are placed, though that's the main
reason I'm going to use a seperate coil for output. Should make this easier. (Maybe?)
Art
@Grumpy
All I can say is ARGGGGG!
Art
I am going to take this a step farther. Someone told me that it is necessary to use "high voltage" to produce these kicks you guys have been making. No kidding. I could have told you that. It is the way you are trying to make them that necessitates such high voltage.
You can force a thing (hit it with a sledgehammer), or finesse a thing (do it right the first time).
I demonstrated a means to show that you can create pulses with almost linear rise anf fall times, with the pulse itself in the nano seconds, and still no one caught it. Add two of these, treated in the proper manner with the proper frequencies, and what do you have when injected together into the same conductor?
Paul Andrulis
Hi gajos :D
Is easy.
The basic concept of magnetism. One flux of current magnetic have vary in the time.
That is, at any given time in the wire or inductor it has that to have variation of the flow.
What the peoples make is vary the voltage in the time but, the flow continues the same.
regards :D
So do not imply that I do not build things.
Bruce :)
@Grumpy
What amount of amperage are we talking if that same coulomb transverses that same point in one microsecond?
yes good advice
c'mon, you've got time it seems to make these posts- it takes only a few seconds to post a pic, that is if you've got one. cut the BS and just admit it, you don't.
could you say a little more about what you mean exactly?
doesn't the flux vary with current? with an AC current, the flux will vary in direction and time.
The spike is powerful in that it creates a very dense energy field. It doesn't go anywhere where comes to it. Resistance of a conductor produces heat in proportion to the current flow.
The Allende letters
The Atruscans know Generosity overwhelms.
@aleks
An antenna to receive what?
We must identify the source of energy first. If switching magnets can some how manipulate gravity or the Earths own magnetic
field the we may get something.
As far as the waves shape goes, the lazy person in me say's use square waves but look around you. We live in an
analogue world and sine waves have a lot of properties. You can get a lot more interesting harmonics than you would
with square waves. Look at the works of Keeley or Russel and you see what I mean.
I think text book Electronic or Electrical engineering view is not enough to solve this riddle.
AM
@paul
I would agree but this is a rather simplistic view---- which is a good thing ;D we should keep things simple. I always like to turn things around to understand the other perspective, If an increasing voltage potential leads to increased amperage flow then ----an increasing amperage flow will lead to a increasing voltage potential. ...
@AllCanadian:
It seems basic electrical physics lessons in high school and community college made it fairly clear that through Ohm's Law, I = E/R, amperage varies as voltage, but not the reverse.
@sparks
have a look @ this, The conical motion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hmRBiSshus
I am still reading and re-reading Walter Russels books
regards,
Fred
@sparks
have a look @ this, The conical motion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hmRBiSshus
I am still reading and re-reading Walter Russels books
regards,
Fred
If we saw electricity as a division leading to polarization and multiplicity then we could compare it to this forum LOL ;D
This concludes my hijacking of this tread.......
better question than "what is electricity?" is "what is light?"
electricity is the creative force in action
You of all people should know that our present state of mind isn't free of its preconditioning, we are far from being ready to know true nature of the One Magnetic Still Light Of Mind Knowing (Huh ???), we know very little about our true selves, and absolutely nothing about the omnipresent force which Nature has at her disposal.
I could tell you what electricity is, but there are others who have done the job far better than I ever could! I learned by walking in their shadows. If you want their knowledge you have to walk with them! I refuse to twist their works by providing you my interpretation. That's honesty! If you want the understand what electricity really is, you have to do your own homework.
Did someone tested Daniel MCFarland Cook patent from 1871 , no 119825 ?
Spin is EFFECT not CAUSE! Where is spins origin?
Regards
It sounds like you are honestly looking for someone to spoon feed it to you! How's that for honesty? LOL...
In addition, don't make the mistake in assuming that I don't have an answer. If you were paying attention I said, I have an answer that I am satisfied with. Many won't like it, so, there is absolutely no point in discussing it. I have indicated where one can go, by going there one can come to similar or in the best case the exact same conclusions that I have. If and when that ever happens, then a real exchange can take place. You are absolutely correct when you say that I am quoting a genius, I quote them because they had the knowledge, they had the total comprehension, I am learning, they are the teachers, goto them, if you have a problem with my methods its yours not mine!
I don't have to learn how to apply anything, I am applying it! LOL.... I don't care about the present condition of the world. The world doesn't have my best interests at heart! Don't expect me to explain anything! I won't. Don't expect me to show anything! I don't have too. Everything you need you already have, one individuals interpretation of another's works isn't what you need, you need to goto and interpret the source yourself.
Want me off the podium because I refuse to show the way, get over it! If you are pissed because I keep bringing up the same tough question, then I suggest you ask yourself why you are pissed, and then ask yourself how much you really know about the topic, chances are your knowledge gap is the real reason why your pissed, again your problem not mine!
You are insane if you think I am going to let you run me off.....LOL, if you don't like my comments......I suggest you stop reading them!
This was a topic I started a long time ago but it never went anywhere.....nothings changed! Homework time! I know how much you hate that, but you have gotten so good at it!
Regards
Innovation has a good point about the circuit not having to be resonant. I believe resonance is the last thing we want. Hysterisis is more like it. We don't want the wave slapping back and forth and getting a little push each time. It is grossly inefficient. We want the kick ilicited mass reaction to end up doing work. Altering the density of the energy field at the termination of a conductor field results in a shift in the energy density in the rest of the conductor. . The oscillation of the density change causes waves of energy through the field of the copper mass. Then it settles down as the stratified plazma field tunnels it's way through the conductor field. Finally the copper mass becomes stratified enough to create a magnetic signature. Why then does it take longer to get a magnetic signature when the wire is coiled compared to when it is a straight run? The plazma field is effected by the geometry of the conducting field. If the conductor in question is geometrically opposed to the leading edge of the tunneling field it begins to stretch out the stratified plane between the leading edge of the tunnel and the already stratifed conductor field. The tunneling starts to effect less of the mass in the conductor field and more of the field in the plane of the turns of the conductor. The leading edge of the plazma starts to dilute through the core of the solenoid. At some point depending on the ability of the contained external field to stratify and the superconducted density intelligence coming from the scource, the tunnel edge hits the end of the coil. The core has saturated and the tunneling continues through the mass of the remaining conductor until it finally hits the end and jumps into the field. The magnetic field is just the configuration of the plazma stratification of the space in question. As long as a change in density at the terminal end/ends is maintained the plazma field continues to grow and at least be maintained. Now if we abruptly change the information at the terminal end. The stratified layers can go back into the agitated state caused by ambient density field information. No tunneling this time just collapse. Like the collapse of the pressure wave on the old jet fighters. The density information/voltage of the entire coil field is now in play. It's collapse or discharge relavant only to fields of similar energy density.
Bifilar wound pancake coils are very efficient in so much as dilution of the primary tunneling edge results in another tunneling edge in the similar mass field found within the influence of the outside coil. When series wound they expotentially strengthen the coil energy storage capacity by containing the density information normally radiated about the coil into the field. This information being exchanged between turns of the coil instead of radiating towards mass of similar energy density. A load of high self inductance will now be able to be run in parallel with the standing dc field powered by the in out voltage of the plasmic capacitor field.
Basically the coils can store the energy illicited from matching energy density fields when the energy density is changed in one. Usually this occurs on a radio wave antennae and illicits an energy response in incomprehensible amounts of mass. How many antennaes can "pickup" a 4watt cb radio transmission. How many tons of steel get influenced by one little 4watt radio transmission. Now concentrate that effect in a few ounces of copper or steel. Is it any wonder the TPU starts to cook or mosfets are going poof. Energy of a given density seeks energy of similar density with little regard for what is in between. Get a mass resonance match and pulse that shit.
What can I say....your entitled to your opinion......Good luck with your research.....LOL
I asked if somebody tested it, not if somebody knew it .... Anyway thank you for answering so fast :P
P.S. I know that it's strongly related to TPU like SweetVTA, Ed Leedscalnin PMH and so on.
Well, well, well...
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1872.0;attach=4962;image)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21431.html#msg21431
--giantkiller. Congratulations on your epiphany, sir!
giantkiller
Do you think there is electronic circuit in TPU ? ::)
About Resonance
...
Paul Andrulis
@pauldude000,
If we have a 1/4 wave per any length of winds then the field builds up in 2 layers for a half cycle. When the cycle goes into the last half the field is shut down in 2 revolutions thus collapsing a DC bias leftover (retained energy). This all happens in cycle segments.
So we get the initial wave which looks like a DC bias (retained energy) and the collapsing segment which looks like a delay.
Because of the stored energy in the coil it is retained till the collapse closes it.
This is length of wire equal to circumference equal to frequency. Start with the resonance. Shorten the pulse as much as possible (careful). The circumference presents a center of impact or no cross zone.
Very much like the wave interleaving in the ECD.
--giantkiller.
Bearden makes things too complex. He is brilliant and his math is excellent.
But he gives no guidelines for experimental work. Generation and detection of
scalar signals is really simple. The antenna designs are exactly the opposite
of antenna that are designed for EM radiation. Perfect 1:1 standing wave ratio
antennas do not generate scalar fields. The so called mis-matched antennae work
great!
Early attempts to acquire the NMR spectrum more efficiently than simple CW methods involved irradiating simultaneously with more than one frequency. It was soon realised, however, that a simpler solution was to use short pulses of radio-frequency (centred at the middle of the NMR spectrum). In simple terms, a short square pulse of a given "carrier" frequency "contains" a range of frequencies centred about the carrier frequency, with the range of excitation (bandwidth) being inversely proportional to the pulse duration (the Fourier transform of an approximate square wave contains contributions from all the frequencies in the neighborhood of the principal frequency). The restricted range of the NMR frequencies made it relatively easy to use RF pulses to excite the entire NMR spectrum.
Applying such a pulse to a set of nuclear spins simultaneously excites all the NMR transitions. In terms of the net magnetisation vector, this corresponds to tilting the magnetisation vector away from its equilibrium position (aligned along the external magnetic field). The out-of-equilibrium magnetisation vector precesses about the external magnetic field at the NMR frequency of the spins. This oscillating magnetisation induces a current in a nearby pickup coil, creating an electrical signal oscillating at the NMR frequency. This signal is known as the free induction decay (FID) and contains the sum of the NMR responses from all the excited spins. In order to obtain the frequency-domain NMR spectrum (intensity vs. frequency) this time-domain signal (intensity vs. time) must be Fourier transformed.
See what happens in space?
Another entry is:
Notice the Primary 'M' is fat copper and has the primary spark gap, 'G'.
The secondary 'N' has thin copper and the major sparkgap, 'P'. Also the secondary has no overlapping winding. He specifically shows air spaced windings.
Thanks GK :). We all stand on each other's shoulders. Right on back to the first being that shared his life with another.
@ Inno
This is just Tesla's work brought into the 21st. I think it is how he powered his Pierce Arrow. I want to use a variable frequency ac drive in place of the motor generator in the long run. For now I'll be happy to get an rc car moving. I get my Jeep Cherokee with the burnt engine in it going I'm parking it on the White House Lawn. ;D
Another note is that there is very little iron in this flow diagram. Iron responds to time unfolding or energy density intelligence by not conducting the information or passing it on but instead it reconfigures itself to match the information FLOW. It doesn't have a defined magnetic field signature relative to energy density it creates one depending on how energy information is flowing through it. It stores intelligence or creates the past. This creates relativity between the past and the now. (I am confident that our memorys are stored using iron on a cellular biological organization. The computer guys are just getting around to developing magnetic memory.) The energy density information of the Earth field is relavent to the energy density of the surrounding "space". This creates a magnetic signature we call the magnetosphere. In the same field there is formed iron crystalline structuring of the core in response to past energy flows. This creates a natural oscillation between the energy flow creating the past and the past directing the energy flow. Tesla's resonance? SM's 5khz? Counter emf? Schuman cavity wave resonance? Could these be all effects of the same time oscillation in differing energy density fields?
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According to Tesla - the man - the myth - the legend himself - on page 75 of the illustrious Colorado Springs Notes (my printed version - page 79 of the one you can find online) we find (see attached):
So, it is obvious that any suitable means can drive the extra coil and produce the effect we desire - even the lowly magnetic core transformer. What was that sound - sounded like a truck load of bullshit hitting the floor. Tesla explains that practically any spark length (and emf) can be reached between the terminals of the extra coils - notice that only one has the circle on it - this is a magentic-core transformer version of Dollard's balanced MT. Tesla also states that the extra coil must be free from the inductive influence of other circuits - hmm - perhaps we could shield the extra coil from the influence with a strong enough nagnetic field from coils or magnets.
Tesla sums up the page with his "magnification factor" equation - which is mentioned several times throughout the notes. "p" is 2*Pi*n and equates to the voltage at the primary - times the inductance of the extra coil - divided by the resistance. He mentions one coil arrangement have factor of 8910 (something like that) - and he states this is very high. No wonder TPU's smoked when looped back dead on freq - smoke and fireballs in seconds.
OK. So there you have it - as easy as it gets. If you can't build from this example you need to find something else to persue.
"Another method for generating spin echoes is to apply three successive 90? pulses."
Look,I don't state that I understand this.
By definition, an A.C. signal locked to a D.C. current (A.C. with a D.C. bias, or the scalar potential of the AC wave acting upon the extra electrons presented by the DC signal.) is nonlinear.
@ inno
Not able to see your uploads. File size looks kinda big. Squeeze them there jpgs down or upload using different file format or something. I'm from the paper generation so somebody from the electronic generation please lend a hand.
As I see it, SM finally achieved rotation and got some voltage. Experiments led to more and better versions with better performance. But no matter what he did, it was always temperamental and always had a heat problem. He could not solve this problem because he did not know how he got the power. Nobody in his group evidently knew about scalar waves or the caduceus coil.
I was looking at the relationship of the electric and magnetic fields, according to a current in motion. I noticed something, in that the concept is A-symmetrical. All known forces are symmetrical in nature, in that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. I was talking about this to loner in a different thread, and thought I would go a little more in depth here, as I did not wish to throw his thread off topic.
Unbelievable, it seems we have a free energy perpetual spinner !!
Check out the "tracmag", I just came across this at the youtube videos, simply amazing!! If there's truly revolving fields, then we can capture them with toroidal windings and have a TPU.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L05OOhpOSY&NR=1
P.S. wow, look at video #7 and #8 as well, from the same tracmag guy. Notice in the comments he made that the disk clings to a PLASTIC disc. That's unexplained as far as I can tell, never ever seen anything like that before.
the spinning motor is discussed over here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3114.0.html as slapper informed me (thank you)
GK, he says in the video captions that he uses a magnetic field behind the carboard to cause it to spin (there's 8 videos so check the MORE INFO link for each one). The tractor ring seems to keep it centered, but an interesting phenomena is the plastic cap "attracting" the spinning magnet. Very interesting, but apparently not OU.
EM
The key to power extraction may be related to how the atoms of Copper recover, and it has been observed that the back EMF pulses are often more powerful than the electronics that generate them, often even burning out the driver transistors. While this process may seem rather random, it is not random but related to the NMR rates and when the pulses coincide. You may well pulse up a device many times and only on one out of 100 times the back EMF pulse will fry a transistor.This is probably due to NMR pulses stacking between the coils interactions. This is increased by adding copper to the core of the coils, or a combination of copper wrapped over iron. If done synchronously at the NMR rate I would expect we could learn to fry them every single time. We only need have two of the highest pulses hit at the same moment in time to double its amplitude.
Secondly it was amazingly discovered that even scalar wound coils still produce the NMR pulse just before the energy moves out of the EM layer. These kicks are ever present in scalar wound input coils as well as 90 degree coils wrapped around them.
It has been pointed out that using pulses at 90 degrees to one another does not create a true rotating magnetic field, however one must realize that at the Proton layer, the torsion is in fact in mass rotation. The rotation however is a spiral rotation and it is driven by the mass of the copper that is in rotation. While a pulse of EM through the Copper moves along its Electron shell, the spiraling rotation at the Proton shell is very real, and the tempic field is set now into a smooth sine wave spiraling motion containing a constant energy not totally related to the energy it took to start this redirection of its normal motion, but to its mass.
On the Steven Marks Device:
Observing the rotation of a magnetic field through a Copper wire, where the field moves, not in the normal method of electric motors but between two coils at 90 degrees to one another in the donut pattern. Magnetic field rotates along the Electron shell, and tempic field swings along the Protons shell which is directly connected to its mass , a distance linear force. This process is an inertial momentum at the Proton layer but becomes EM as it hits the Electron shell once again coming outwards in Copper. This results in a magnetic rotation as well that can be measured with a compass at low frequencies.
The air gap increases the reluctance of the magnetic circuit and therefore its capacity to store energy.
Below diagram is in response to GK's 1/4wave discussion. The blue arrows are spin fields and the triangles vector fields. Rodin is the guy that pulled the vector #369 out of the infinite torroid for me. The diagram also shows one harmonic of the pulse spread.
Hi all,
Back for a session of brainstorming with my son-in-law. He's brilliant.
We have found an easy way to make a Stubblefield cell and no it doesn't need the ground. It can also be used for a TPU.
All you need is a tape measure the length you want.
Copper tape or awg 12 wire flattened with a hammer and an anvil.
Make a nice coil with cotton between each so as cotton is the isolator and electrolyte transport.
The inside end is left open inside but insulated. 10Fe and 10Cu.
Felt washer than another stack for as many as you want.
Connect the outside wires in parallel. 5Fe and 5Cu
Wet and use. A TPU core is wound as an air core It even supplies energy.
A high efficiency Stubblefield cell or TPU core that you can stack for more energy.
Have fun,
Michel
I have copper tape from my old time with Tiffany lamps and a small 1/4"6 ft long promo measuring tape. Gift from a radiator shop.
A high efficiency Stubblefield cell that you can stack for more energy.
EDIT: You can also make individual coils of iron and copper in a thin mold with a strip of cotton and blue the coil with one line of crazy glue and stack iron/copper/iron/... Connect the outside open end in parallel copper with copper, iron with iron.
"High-temperature superconductors are layered compounds containing one or more copper-oxide planes and other layers that act as charge reservoirs," Yazdani said. "Like dopants in a semiconductor, these layers donate charge carriers to the copper-oxide planes, making them conducting. The strong electronic interactions in the copper-oxide planes are responsible for the material?s unusual electronic properties."
Hello all,
now imagine this field much faster, much much faster.
Otto
@Michelino
That's interesting.
@GK
I noticed the sine effect on my "The Claw" (my big) TPU, as well as one of the smaller ones. The most effect was from "The Claw" though. I have just received some parts I was waiting on (Extremely high speed/high current glass passivated diodes) which I intend to use to make an RF rectifier, and I am going to try to see the effect after the voltage is rectified.
I have noticed PURE AC at over 240V P/P, with an input of only 20 volts square DC, of which cannot be transformer action, due to the natures and relationships of the coils, and am curious about the actual unity/OU of input to output. Hopefully, these diodes are up to the task.
Paul Andrulis
The shifting of atomic components electron spin to magnetic alignment being so as to transfer energy from
thermal ambient background energy by means of magnetic LATCHING or stochastic linear amplification.
As such making possible the collapse of it to attain energy from the thermal region of such core & summing
it to the energy released in the collapse of the field into another load being a capacitor or recovery means,
electronic, mechanic or thermal, whatever.
C charge in X resistance determines power in N time, leading to saturation of Z core and LC in any given
circuit, opto trigger, non-coupled. It?s the Hypersignal modulation that extracts power from "ZP" (stochastic
resonance applies). It?s a very different ballgame, which requires a total rethinking of normal electric
concepts, seeking to do the reverse of what standard engineering does in many applications.
It is well known that, to get the maximum power transfer from a source to a load, the source impedance must
equal the complex conjugate of the load impedance, or: Rs + jXs = RL - jXL. In addition, for efficient power
transfer, this condition is required to avoid the reflection of energy from the load back to the source. This is
particularly true for high-frequency environments like video lines and RF and microwave networks (RF
engineering practice).
Hector is correct in saying that this is a resonant effect in the three phase rotory system and will demonstrate
O/U effects when fine tuned so that XC = XL with very low overall resistance (R) so as to produce a very sharp
resonant curve with very high "Q" (Q determines the time decay; Hi Q = low time decay per oscillation). When
operating at ultra high "Q", the circuit is "lossless" and operates as a magnetic amplifier. Find "Electrical
Engineering" by Terman, PhD, Dean of Engineering, Stanford University, 1955. This is one of the only text
books that go into detail regarding the resonance phenomenon. It is well worth your library search for you will
become highly enlightened and informed. The most important factor to consider is the circuit resistance, for this
is how resonant curves are flattened or widened to establish "band width". Lump resistance inserted into a
resonant circuit will reduce the "Q" and cause the resonant curve to loose the sharp tuned peak under which is
the "lossless" region of the curve.
@pauldude
When we series connect a torroidal choke with a dc load to filter out the hf where does the high energy of the pulse go? The torroid core is said to magnetically absorb the energy of the ripple. But after conversion of the voltage into magnetic energy where does it go from there? The compressed magnetic field doesn't like being compressed so it expands and creates a conflict between the ambient magnetic field energy surrounding and penetrating the torroidal core. This conflict of opposing magnetic lines of flux results in electro-magnetic radiation of very short wave lengths that penetrate the torroidal winding and travel off into the surrounding field as heat. This energy is now quite transparent to the desired dc current flow.
By placing a conductor inside the torroidal choke the pulse energy now results in a compression of the magnetic field within the conductor mass which acts as a collector. The outflow of the magnetic compression energy can now be routed through the copper mass field to a desired observer as an em wave within the conductor field.. Unlike an iron core which would absorb the pulse energy by magnetic domain polarization in conflict with the ambient magnetic field, the copper mass is able to compress in alignment with the kick spread and expand in alignment with the ambient magnetic field. This creates a wave traveling within the copper conductor mass with a length equal to that of the primary kick coil length.
All we have to do now is create a beach for that baby to roll up on. The permanent magnet may serve as the beach. Also I would imagine a slit in the collector would result in the wave piling up.