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pauldude000

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #135 on: April 16, 2008, 10:54:29 PM »
I am going to build one today, and do some playing.
Hmm. Will it work at all? I think even if magnetic field is nullified it does not mean current will get nullified as well...

Actually aleks, I wondered the same thing myself. Except coil field strength is determined by ampere turn. A given field, even in a perm magnet can be considered in ampere turns, as the same field would require X amps and Y turns to create. Basic electronics 101

Neutralize the field, and it neutralizes the applied pulse. Examine why an inductance is a choke. You are just building a "different" type of choke filter.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #136 on: April 16, 2008, 11:01:51 PM »
The first sine picture is the same coil, the same applied signal, but ALL of the signals are in phase, which is why the AC component CREATED BY THE COIL ITSELF, is of much greater strength than the applied signal.
No problem, I understand. It is called filtering. DC pulses carry base frequency information. It is what we see on the scope. Still, this does not look like "sine wave segments".

Good point except you are missing one observable detail in the picture. IT IS THE GROUND SIGNAL CARRYING THE AC COMPONENT, NOT THE APPLIED DC PULSE WAVEFORM. You see the wave. In your mind, stretch the wave back out flat to see where the AC is being transported in the signal. :D

The 0v component (ground or NO voltage), is now many multiples of the applied voltage, with the original DC pulse riding the new AC wave, so to speak.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #137 on: April 17, 2008, 12:00:17 AM »
   @Paul

      Have you tried saturating the cores with either a pm or dc biased winding yet?  I think it will push things up.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #138 on: April 17, 2008, 12:47:57 AM »
@sparks

No I haven't but it is something to test. Thanks for the concept.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #139 on: April 17, 2008, 01:34:38 AM »
Initial testing of "diode" idea unsuccessful. Did notice some amplification (not much), but not enough to justify the notion. My magnet, however, was of pitiful strength. (Best I had on hand, and I only tested pulsed DC.)

If someone gets different results, great, but at this point it is a no-go.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #140 on: April 17, 2008, 04:33:13 AM »
@art

I had the notion also that maybe I was not using near enough inductance for the signal... Maybe there was practically no field present to fight. I have since then found a false negative. I have a matching pair of metallic crystaline magnets, which I chose for this test. JUST TOO BAD THE ARE NOT MAGNETIZED ON THE FACES!!!! GRRRRR! Guess who didn't bother to check... <<<---------- ME

I do not have a clue how they are oriented, what a monumental waste of time.

As to your other question, I was not using dual trace on the signal, just a single. However, I sincerely doubt false triggering of the scope, as this  happens only within a very narrow range of frequencies, which varies as to different coils. This tells me it is an aspect of the signal read, and not a false positive. What do you think. I could be wrong.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #141 on: April 17, 2008, 07:46:44 AM »
@art

Check with a small bar. North end always points to south.

Rewound another. It is definitely NOT acting like a diode.............. However, either I am crazy, or my scope is crazy, or I am at a complete loss to explain just what IS happening in these things. The field has gone nuts.

It is doing things I never thought possible, never even though ABOUT.

I checked my circuit output, suspecting a damaged 555 circuit, found a blown transistor. Replaced, best square waves you ever saw. Put the signal through a diode to prevent backfiring (tired of fixing 555 circuits.) Excellant signal!

Put it through the magcoil, and the field is even MORE screwy. Adjust the frequency, and I watch the screwyest effects I really am at a loss to understand. Might have to post some pics, just for freakout value.

No, I am not just getting "sines"... (I dont really know WHAT to call them.)

Whether I can get a TPU to work or not, I am going to HAVE to investigate this further, later.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #142 on: April 17, 2008, 09:19:03 AM »
@art

I wonder. We have been taught to remove all traces of variant signal, to ignore aberrations, to (in essence) ignore the obvious. I remember reading one of Tesla's papers in which he stated that multiple signals can travel in the same conductor, both separate and independent of each other. WE know that is possible, just examine how the transmission line of an antenna works........

Ask yourself what I am now having to ask myself. "What If".

By the way, I have now discovered that you can pull energy out of a magnet (side product of recent experiment.) I have also learned that to recharge a 9v battery from said, it might require a roomfull of them to do it. :D Possible, but not really practical. A magnet with a fine wire (30 ga) coil wrapped around it was putting out a steady 20mv peak to peak AC, measured at 5mv/div at 50ns. (yes I aligned my DC line to center of scope)  I also found out that it can jump to about 1v pp in a thunderstorm. WOO-HOO!

Maybe I should run it through a full wave... :D I could power my house tomorrow!

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #143 on: April 17, 2008, 10:13:33 AM »
Maybe I should run it through a full wave... :D I could power my house tomorrow!
You won't achieve that with a single rectifier stage. Since oscillations are random you need a more involved arrangement. I think you will need a rectifier ladder of some kind so that you can cover a wide range of signal amplitudes - it is like analog-to-digital converter, but with each bit stage outputting power so when you have a large signal this rectifier ladder should "light" all lower power rectifier stages. Each stage should probably be low-passed by means of a small choke or RC (RC should be simpler).

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #144 on: April 17, 2008, 11:45:39 AM »
@aleks
 
Answer me a simple question, and I will call you "King of the Power Grid" (you quite literally would be), under the terms that you must accept the basic premise as possible first. I am not interested in why "it cant be possible".

Question : How do you separate for use 100 or more individual frequencies of the same or close frequency which just happen to co-exist side by side, separate and individual of each other, yet traveling/co-existing in the same conductor????

I only can only guess to turn them into DC and hopefully they mix. Anything better?

I just realized what I witnessed, though my brain is already making up excuses why it "cannot be so". How such could be, without summing and inherent blending is beyond my knowledge, or my current ability to envision such. Durn it, it CANT be so, yet............

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #145 on: April 17, 2008, 12:59:46 PM »
I only can only guess to turn them into DC and hopefully they mix. Anything better?
From spectral math (Fourier transform and such things) you may build a battery of band-pass filters. What is band-pass filter? It is simply a component whose resistance (or rather impedance) is dependent on the frequency of the input signal. This way you can divide any signal into narrow spectral bands: the power will be streaming there where there is less resistance exist.

However, to harness this power you'll need to create a "rectifier ladder" for each band. What is "recitifier ladder"? It's the same thing as spectral band-pass filters, but its resistance depends on the level of the signal. So, if a signal is lower or higher than a certain level, a given element of the rectifier ladder does not conduct electricity. Well, I do not have any complete schematic for that, - I'm only giving a general idea. What is more important is that each level element of the rectifier ladder will be "pulsing" randomly. This is where a slow choke is necessary - it will accumulate energy with each such pulse. Then the energy from all chokes (there will be plenty of them) should be taken to load, inductively.

Of course, it looks like a fantasy - from the usual understanding it is impossible to get energy from random signals. However, the reality is that it can be done - some japanese inventor built a "water energy collector" that takes energy from random ocean waves and directs the ship. If this can be done on water, this should be possible to do in electricity.

BTW, and of course, there is no such thing as 100 frequencies of the same frequency. There can be a random signal that contains a lot of frequencies with each frequency oscillating randomly.

Well, if the above offered scheme can be made to work, sunlight energy (being basically a random signal within a narrow spectral band) could be harvested with a better efficiency.

This scheme can be also used to harness energy from secondary oscillations like those available in Milkovits device.

Something like this: ("chokes" there should all be managed in some way to take their voltage which should be basically integrated pulses - i.e. positive and negative DC voltage with a bit of oscillation)

-1..2V, -1..0V, 1..2V, 2..3V etc represent sections with diodes that conduct current in the specified voltage region (this may be harder to do in passive form than to draw this scheme, but it's about the only way to do it). So, after all rectification you are left with equal number of "positive" and "negative" chokes, each carrying different energy levels. So, some kind of "collector" is also necessary whose outputs will be plain DC + and -. Chokes should be tuned to band-pass filter's center frequency: using a too slow choke on a high frequency may not be optimal and may put a lot of energy to waste; using a too fast choke on a slower frequency won't work well, too since this will produce unsteady random voltage pulses.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2008, 09:15:01 PM by aleks »

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #146 on: April 17, 2008, 02:31:26 PM »
@Paul

  E=MC2  applies.     For the people who think in particles and not frequency.
(wave particle duality).  The beauty of this equation is in the definitions.  I refer specifically to the M.  Mass is at rest energy or potential energy contained in an inertial frame.  Inertial frame could be an orbit a spin a twist whatever.  The electron has mass.  It is very easy to convert a portion of the mass of the electron into translatory energy.  Not annihalate or cancel the whole damn inertial frame and tweak every bit of potential energy out of this frame that was given to us by the creator of the electron.  Just direct it so that some of it's inherent potential energy flows into the desired inertial frame.  The radio wave transmitted in the copper atmosphere of the kick coil will do this. It will direct the intrinsic potential energy of the copper electrons mass into the ring. Not all of it just a bit.
The Universe will replenish the potential energy lost by the electron inertial frame.
  The kick harvests potential energy like our ancestors gathered wood to warm themselves by a fire in a cave.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #147 on: April 17, 2008, 03:03:33 PM »
hope may help

http://www.pxarchive.de/home//tech/rotate.html
If an EM field is somehow rotated extremely fast, shouldn't all matter be repelled from its center? -kgo.
How fast do you want it rotated? It's fairly simple to construct a system to produce rotating EM waves at whatever rotational velocity you wish by feeding a pair of broadside dipole arrays with quatrature phased waves. It is quite simple to construct a system that would have a rotational velocity of C within the uniform field area. It might also be fairly easy to do this with a Hemholtz coil arangement as well, but the broadside array will be much easier to do at easily engineerable frequencies. Some really interesting paradoxes come about when the rotational frequency is high enough so that the rotational velocity exceeds C within the uniform field area of the arrays or within the hemholtz coils.
Robert Shannon

What effect would there be at the boundry where the rotational velocity reached, and then exceeded the speed of light? How could the magnetic field even propogate to the center of the antenna structure if it would have to move faster than light to reach that space? If hemholtz coils were used instead of loops, the magnetic field strength would be uniform inside the structure, how could the field strenght be uniform if there is not sufficient time for the field to propogate through the space inside the structure itself? Could such an effect actually generate a wormhole like phenomena, at energy levels far below that of neutron stars and such? As the causal mechanism, the magnetic field, is in roation, would this describe a traversable worm hole as has been postulated in relationship to rotating black holes?

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http://antigravitypower.tripod.com/stirniman/stirniman13.html

Several key pharases keep popping up regarding rotating fields, powerful
    magnetic pulsed fields, and 90 degree cross-field phase shifts.
    For example, Preston Nicholes describes a device known as a Delta T
    antenna in the Montauk series of books. The Delta T antenna is described
    as a pyramidal structure, but lets just take two square loops, placed at
    90 degrees to each other, and feed these two loops with an RF signal,
    also with a 90 degree phase shift, we will produce a rotating magnetic
    field within the loops
(these loops share a common center point, and
    each loop is in a plane 90 degrees from the other)
    The speed of rotation of this magnetic field is a direct function of the
    frequancy of the applied RF signal
.  At the center of the antenna, the
    rotational velocity is zero, but as you move out from the center, and
    rotational velocity increases.  At some distance from center would reach
    the speed of light, dependant of the frequancy used.
    One could imagine that the rotational velocity of this rotating magnetic
    field could reach the speed of light within the antenna structure  itself
    if a way could be found to make the antenna much larger than a normaly
    resonant antenna would be for that same frequancy.  At several hundred
    megahertz, a two meter per side square loop would have a rotational
    velocity well in excess of the speed of light within the antenna structure
    itself.
    What effect would there be at the boundry where the rotational velocity
    reached, and then exceeded the speed of light.  How could the magnetic
    field even propogate to the center of the antenna structure if it would
    have to move faster than light to reach that space?  If hemholtz coils
    were used instead of loops, the magnetic field strength would be uniform
    inside the structure, how could the field strenght be uniform if there is
    not sufficient time for the field to propogate through the space inside
    the structure itself?
    Could such an effect actually generate a wormhole like phenomena, at energy
    levels far below that of neutron stars and such?  As the causal mechanism,
    the magnetic field, is in roation, would this describe a traversable worm
    hole as has been postulated in relationship to rotating black holes?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_coil
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Turz

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #148 on: April 17, 2008, 04:36:22 PM »
@Turz

    Exactly how it has to happen.  The turns of the kick windings create for an analogy a gas of electrons.  Then through this media a hf pulse is propogated and wave guided.  The collector copper becomes part of this media.  The collector gas experiences the wave and is pushed an pulled responding as a fluid would.  This begins an INERTIALLY driven electrical current not a pressurized current. IT WILL NOT PROPOGATE A MAGNETIC FIELD THAT WILL RESIST THE WAVE.  Each successive "radio wave" will accelerate the inertially driven electrical current.  The energy is coming from the electrons intrinsic energy.  The electrons experiencing the directional magnetic changes which accompany the radio wave;  shift their magnetic dipole moments to align with the magnetic field disruption of the radio wave.  This shifting of the magnetic dipole moments represents a conversion of the mass of the electron into energy.  The electrons slow down or cool or release photons.  This energy is released to the collector windings inertial frame. The collector current starts to speed up but never faster than the radio wave propogation moving near the speed of light through the electron cloud of the kick conductors.  Now all that is needed is to include an external circuit that converts the inertia of the collector field into pressure.
   First things first.  Lets get her spinning.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #149 on: April 17, 2008, 04:56:55 PM »
...through this media a hf pulse is propogated and wave guided....Each successive "radio wave"...

I have a very hard time believing SM used anything remotely like a waveguide--the construction is just too imprecise for this to be feasible.

So, you might say, use HF waves, that way the construction can be less precise.  That sounds nice until you calculate the wavelengths involved and find that they are way to long to fit in the device's wires.

Sorry if I seem a bit strong on these points; I have seen the waveguide / RF idea brought up over and over (I have actually tested it as well with no results).

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