Author Topic: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.) (Read 339914 times)

Peterae · « **Reply #690 on:** July 29, 2008, 08:00:00 AM »

Grumpy
I think you are underestimating how many people do replicate the stuff on OU, i have been building since i read the SM threads nearly 2 years ago.
I am looking forward to your build of this, it is on my todo list, but working on EM's device at the moment.

I dont post much, thats because i can be a bit blonde sometimes and would really only post when i have found something interesting, which to date has been nought

Peter

pauldude000 · « **Reply #691 on:** July 29, 2008, 09:30:01 AM »

@Grumpy

If you have problems winding loose bifiliars on pvc, that is because of the slickness of the material. You can coat it with a thin layer of molten beeswax and it makes winding much simpler.

By the way, I prefer cardboard tube because of the texture of the material, and mine is already wound. (2 lengths bifilar approx 60ft each 24ga, with iron "delay" coil.)

Paul Andrulis

Grumpy · « **Reply #692 on:** July 29, 2008, 02:38:23 PM »

Quote from: pauldude000 on July 29, 2008, 09:30:01 AM

@Grumpy

If you have problems winding loose bifiliars on pvc, that is because of the slickness of the material. You can coat it with a thin layer of molten beeswax and it makes winding much simpler.

By the way, I prefer cardboard tube because of the texture of the material, and mine is already wound. (2 lengths bifilar approx 60ft each 24ga, with iron "delay" coil.)

Paul Andrulis

I need the slickness so i can easily push the wires into position. I'm using 3" poly drain pipe for this one. This will put the diameter close to the length for max self-induction. I learned this from Dollard, but have since seen several radio guys use coils with these dimensions (length = diameter).

Did you put the iron coil away from the bifilar? Got a picture?

wattsup · « **Reply #693 on:** July 29, 2008, 05:27:48 PM »

@sparks

I respectfully disagree and here's why.

If we are to presume that @Grumpy's diagram will result in a first pulse and a second pulse that is slightly delayed, then the first pulse being alone will create a field and the second delayed pulse will neutralize it, create a field, neutralize it.

But all this will depend on two major factors and that is pulse frequency and duration. If the first pulse is long enough to overlay over the second delayed side to pulse it will neutralize the field. If the first pulse is faster then the second pulse, both pulses will generate their own fields.

@Grumpy

So regarding your diagram of the bifilar and iron coil, what do you "expect" to be on the scope as A and B? I'm asking this because often we have ideas on what to try and what we expect from the trial, and more often then not, the result is far from expected. I am not asking this not to put you on the spot, because regardless of what you think will be on the scope and what actually will be on the scope, this is all a learning process for all of us.

I myself would obviously expect the elementary scope shot being two square waves A and B just a tad apart. The tad apart would be the effect of the iron coil.

But here is my problem with this. Wire length. Again at the short wire lengths shown in your diagram, one would have to pulse these coils at higher then the 2mhz my present function generator can muster up. I wonder if anyone knows how to do the math on the frequency range required to be able to see the difference (lag) between A and B. My scope goes up to 60mhz. All combined, probably not fast enough to see it cause we're probably talking gigahertz range.

Then the other question is about probe positions. What is the difference between where you show them at the end of the red and blue lines, or if you simply put them together on the actual ground line

Anyways, I just received 10 pounds of AWG 24 magnet wire that I ordered to try more of Ottos shinanigans. I'll try the bifilar also because I have some other ideas for this bifilar that I think is relevant to the TPU but not in the spherics sense.

Grumpy · « **Reply #694 on:** July 29, 2008, 07:12:20 PM »

@ wattsup,

Thank for this fine example of how to talk yourself into staying in the Matrix by talking yourself out of performing an experiment, and how to maintian erronious beliefs at the same time.

Wind it yourself or keep hoping someone else will do the work for you.

Spider · « **Reply #695 on:** July 29, 2008, 07:34:56 PM »

@wattsup.

You could try the 3x bifilar right away.

my coil is 31 layers, 106 (2x53) turns per layer. It resonates at about 35 kHz.

I would suggest to connect 2 channels of 2 scopes at either end of the bifilar coil. Maybe that will show even more.

Still working on the power. I am told that I need at least 300V pulses.

More to come.....

@Grumpy

Happy winding!

Greetings Spider.

Grumpy · « **Reply #696 on:** July 29, 2008, 07:53:17 PM »

Quote from: Spider on July 29, 2008, 07:34:56 PM

@wattsup.

You could try the 3x bifilar right away.

my coil is 31 layers, 106 (2x53) turns per layer. It resonates at about 35 kHz.

I would suggest to connect 2 channels of 2 scopes at either end of the bifilar coil. Maybe that will show even more.

Still working on the power. I am told that I need at least 300V pulses.

More to come.....

@Grumpy

Happy winding!

Greetings Spider.

3X bifilar? the tetrahedral thing is not bifilar - just solenoid coils.

I'll get mine wound tonight.

Spider · « **Reply #697 on:** July 29, 2008, 07:56:20 PM »

@grumpy,

I am refering to the picture from Bruce, with 3 "kickcoils" and a collector. That would almost be the FTPU or the OTPU.

At least now I know where these 4 feet were for.....

Greetings Spider.

sparks · « **Reply #698 on:** July 29, 2008, 07:59:20 PM »

I don't think I made myself clear. My foggy memory reports that the diagram Grumpy posted was advanced on ou to duplicate what SM saw in development of the tpu according to Spherics history report. Below is what I believe is going on in production of what Spherics referenced as a complimentary magnetic field response.

sparks · « **Reply #699 on:** July 30, 2008, 02:44:37 PM »

@loner

Thanks for the feedback from your work! The electronics getting hot is a good thing. They are radiating energy! I believe the solution to this whole
mysterious device lies in the kinetics of the energy circuit. SM's tpu gets hot! I believe a spark gap is a converter of thermal energy into electrical energy. There is a boatload of heat on planet earth. Direct conversion of heat to electricity can't be a bad thing. Ever notice how getting near a tuned circuit alters it's resonance. To an electrical circuit we are just a scource of infrared wave freqs.

Grumpy · « **Reply #700 on:** July 30, 2008, 04:45:48 PM »

Quote from: Loner on July 30, 2008, 06:02:36 AM

The big thing seems to be "SM found a way to get the "Iron" coils close to the TPU without it killing
the effect." If you agree with that statement, I would like to hear that from you.

I assume he did find a way. Best way would be to get rid of the iron in the first place.

Quote from: Loner on July 30, 2008, 06:02:36 AM

I have an important question (At least to me) that I would like to ask. This "Signal" delay. Does it
HAVE to be an Iron delay coil, or can I use (I'm trying it, but no success yet...) components. In sticking
with older info, and assuming that certain info is correct, I was hoping to introduce the same type of
delay via several germainium (SP) diodes. (Avoiding silicon, for obvious reasons..) They seem to be
much less common, but I have a few and have been playing, but crisped enough to re-try without some
motivation that there could be results. Am I way out in left field there??

The iron is an external delay for the coil. Other tunable means for delaying the pulse should also work - try it.

Quote from: Loner on July 30, 2008, 06:02:36 AM

Please note: I have stated, for a long time, that I considered any magnetic material as a cheat. I
know no-one remembers this, but I asked these questions for the specific reason of forcing people
in the know to bring forth more information. (Seems that is starting to work, but who knows.) My
favorite coil setup has NO Iron in it, but causes me trouble. Very hard to get anything useful out
of it, until it takes off and fries all my components. (That got old quick!)

Can you elaborate on this build?

Quote from: Loner on July 30, 2008, 06:02:36 AM

OK, I've asked. Now here we go again. IF you need iron in the coil to produce the "Kick", or even
seperate. (I'll go for the Pic that "Bruce" put out.) That's perfectly acceptable. Now how does one
get this same "Kick" with no "Iron" coil. My diode ain't cutting it yet. (Probably never will.) Spark
gap ain't in the agenda, that's different tech. High pulse rate didn't help, and has gotten me nowhere
after spending quite a few (Around 40) hours making some nice coils with 40 AWG wire, in a nice
format and rotating the hack out of them with a "Borrowed" pulser for a laser (I couldn't keep it, many $$$)
(In Reality, --- Deleted --- Details are too stupid for me to admit...PS was too good, and I pushed at the end.)

Same kick with no iron - see Tesla, Bedini, etc. You just knock the crap out of a coil with high self-induction and the effect comes out of it - you then collect it and convert to EM or use as RE. It ain't rocket science, but I do wish someone would put the math to it and make it engineerable.

Quote from: Loner on July 30, 2008, 06:02:36 AM

I really feel I must be too dumb for this, or am missing a key ingrediant. At one time I really thought I
was going somewhere, but after all the time effort, and $, following what should have been a great method,
I had less output than my original flat, Tesla based, coil with turn organized like SM's original. (Sorta?)

I guess I'm just frustrated, and following too many rules, but that's why I started the inquiry the way I did.
It seems others are asking the same thing, but in better ways than I. My Original, non posted, "Kick"
coil was actually a basic bi-filer coil being fed from an osc to one lead and through the "Garden" iron
wire coil on the other. Yes, results were interesting. The "Garden" coil was OK to closer than three
feet, but not too much. What got me there was Unconnected metal had an effect as well. Honestly,
that was so early in the stuff I did (Original from Bedini, when that info was going around) and before
I had even heard of OU.com, that I don't have pics, scope shots, or anything. Just pulling out the
"Green" wire coils brought back a lot, and I am a pack-rat when ti comes to Junk. Time to pull them
back out, and re-test all of that. I do remember, that "Green" paint doesn't insulate well, and HV on
the coils shouldn't be touched. (Strange how shocks improve the memory ) I also clearly remember
that these setups, the Bi-filar coil at least, put out more than just a Kick, at HV.

Note on spiders output. I stated, IF the input and output were as I assumed, that would be a "Kick".
I state right now, If the output HAD the SAME peak voltage, with a "Wider" wave, that would have been
a Kick. Now, seeing his most recient posting, it becomes obvious that that is the normal "Coil" effect.
(I only wish that the output wave peak HAD been the same height!!)

It take time to get your head around it. Try thinking opposite to electromagnetic methods.

Tesla and Bedini's methods will achieve similar results.

Unconnected metal will affect - it is the plate of a capacitor - metal is also charged since it is a conductor.

Spiders coil and scope shots show that an iron coil delays a pulse. It is not the "kick" we seek.

Quote from: Loner on July 30, 2008, 06:02:36 AM

Sorry to all, I now feel stupid. If I wind two more "Garden" iron wire coils, so I have four, and feed this into
the big coil bi-filer coils, I wonder..... I (Dumb!!) actually never considered using that much space, just for
a test. I have to assume that the Iron coils need the seperation from each other as well. I guess I'll have
to clear a large space on a concrete floor (No Nails!) to get a free circle with a 6 foot diameter, just to test.
If that produces any output, I will happily accept being called stupid. Time for me to wind now.

Art.

PS. Another Dumb question. If RE (In Theory) can be insulated by polymers, (Long String..) Isn't PVC
a polymer? Chemistry was never one of my big things, but I Have been sticking to high-den Phenolic
tubes, just for that reason. (From my Tesla coil days.) If PVC is OK, someone PLEASE verify that,
because it would be much easier to obtain in various sizes. If PVC is not a polymer, just let me know,
and I'll try to be less ignorant in the future. (If no-one comments, I can look it up, but if your typing
already, and I can save the search time, that would be appreciated.)

Concrete is reinforced with iron unless it is very old and they used large rocks in it.

RE being a sort of dielectric effect is refracted by dielectric materials. I suppose a particular thickness could block it and will definitely distort the wave.

PVC is a polar dielectric and lossy - not very good at all. I try to use polyethylene, polystyrene, teflon - etc.

giantkiller · « **Reply #701 on:** July 30, 2008, 05:01:27 PM »

And the envelope please?.......

Here are 5 clues:
1: Look at the bell envelope shot. It grows on the off portion of the pulse. Excuse me? Where does that come from and how?

2: Grumpy stated that you snap the environment and it hits back many fold (paraphrase). It even states this in the Bible. Ask and you shall receive many fold. And what was this talking about?

3: Ronotte posted to Hit it once. I will. Before this is when the fires occured. Fires? Why yes, my equipment did the right thing and FETs burnt. I thought FET stood for Fire Emitting Transistor.

4: I used 26awg 40' of copper and 26awg 40' steel on an iron wire bundle (hardware stores) with a cap in parallel with the copper being used as the driver coil. Steel sense coil.

5: You don't produce it, it comes to you. Things ran cool also, like not hot. How else would one see this? Hello? Has anybody else posted a shot like this? Nope. Alot of explanations tho.

Now if anybody wants in on this party then try that. Obviously the other attempts need too much of other things, like talk, outa the box thinking, milk and cookie stories.

The CU, Steel, FE combo did something. In the time it took the read the prior daily msgs and post this you could be past the darkness of questioning. Has the questions produced results? Not so far. Ding, Ding. We have a winner. I accept paypal transactions.

I'll bet that any posts that follow this are on the same old track. Ding, Ding. And we have another winner. Please come forward and accept your prize.

I am looking into Stanley Meyer's HHO circuit. I think he used 3 frequencies of Pulsed DC. Gee.... Look at his containment vessel. It ain't plastic.

--giantkiller. I got hydrogen to make.

forest · « **Reply #702 on:** July 31, 2008, 01:33:00 AM »

About "delayed" spherics coil.

How many "delayed" spikes is it able to produce ? If you find the correct iron coil size and a lot of "kicks" on scope , can you light a small neon NE-2 type using it ?

poynt99 · « **Reply #703 on:** July 31, 2008, 02:49:23 AM »

ding ding? ding-dong

forest · « **Reply #704 on:** July 31, 2008, 09:24:57 AM »

Quote from: poynt99 on July 31, 2008, 02:49:23 AM

ding ding? ding-dong

Hmmm

Sorry, but my question was of practical nature. I have no scope, I have to have a way to SEE "kicks" . Besides think about people who will be replicating this device in steps using cheap tools.
Bedini is a master of such approach and it works - I've build my SSG not using any measure devices (except neon

)

Seriously think about Bedini SSG coil, it's a kick coil without iron... (this is my experience not using scope so aI cannot prove it

) Just find kicks in "delay" coil , then test if you can replace iron by POT.

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