hi spider.

what are we looking at there?

iron delays the pulse - stretches it out - slows it down

@Loner

I just returned, and am now reading yours, and everyone else's replies.

As to wearing out your welcome. That would be difficult. You speak sense, and are asking highly relevant questions.

Personally, I think the effects (shown by spider) are duplicable through field manipulation using standard copper. It is starting to seem amazing to me what you can make a field do with nothing more than square waves (voltage limited pulses).

I am going to try your diode concept and see if I cannot integrate the pulses. If I succeed I will post the results. If not, I will let you know.

I also have some other ideas how this might be accomplished which I will experiment with. We'll see.

Time generally determines which concept of many is true.

Paul Andrulis

@ Loner,

i asked a lot of these same questions a few months ago shortly after spherics posted, but there were no responses. so i've asked for help from Bruce and the boys. let's hope they oblige.

i'm also quite curious about spider's scope shots. i'm terrible at reading minds and even worse deciphering people's intentions with some of their their posts, so i'm hoping spider will spell out how his coil is made, what he's using to drive it, and how the complete circuit looks, including where the scope shots are from and the settings etc.

i'm not trying to tick people off by asking, but it amazes me how often posts like spider's are made with no real details given. i wonder what is the point if no information is conveyed about it? is it just to show off? hope not.

   Tesla starts off stating in his disclosure patent on bifilar wound coils,  that a tuned circuit will pass hf currents with only ohmic losses.  Then he states that capacitors are a pain in the ass to keep maintained. So he describes a process wherein he uses bifilar wound coils with series connection of the elements to build the capacitance into the coil.  He goes on and desribes a coil with a 1000 turns and 10 volts potential between turns. So he is pulsing the coil and looking at each turn as a capacitor.  Then the patent goes and describes the bifilar gain in capacity by developing more voltage between each turn and between element turns.  Then he states "the energy stored now in the coil as a whole will now be two hundred and fitfy
thousand as great."

   What this is telling me is that instead of the hf or kicks or nanosecond spikes altering the magnetic field
(an inertial deal) it is first eliciting then storing voltage from mass.  When determining inductance of a solenoid the surface area of the conductor is only considered not the VOLUME of the conductor.  This implies that inductance is relative to the conductors radiating surface.  No consideration is given to the energy field density within the conductor.

  Charge itself is a differential distribution of energy and exists between fields of differing electrical density
Not different mass density-- different electrical density.

  The kick is a catalyst so seeing it is going to be rough.  Seeing it's effect on differing mass may be more practical.  This puts us back in Faraday's lab.

   Tesla starts off stating in his disclosure patent on bifilar wound coils,  that a tuned circuit will pass hf currents with only ohmic losses.  Then he states that capacitors are a pain in the ass to keep maintained. So he describes a process wherein he uses bifilar wound coils with series connection of the elements to build the capacitance into the coil.  He goes on and desribes a coil with a 1000 turns and 10 volts potential between turns. So he is pulsing the coil and looking at each turn as a capacitor.  Then the patent goes and describes the bifilar gain in capacity by developing more voltage between each turn and between element turns.  Then he states "the energy stored now in the coil as a whole will now be two hundred and fitfy
thousand as great."

   What this is telling me is that instead of the hf or kicks or nanosecond spikes altering the magnetic field
(an inertial deal) it is first eliciting then storing voltage from mass.  When determining inductance of a solenoid the surface area of the conductor is only considered not the VOLUME of the conductor.  This implies that inductance is relative to the conductors radiating surface.  No consideration is given to the energy field density within the conductor.

  Charge itself is a differential distribution of energy and exists between fields of differing electrical density
Not different mass density-- different electrical density.

  The kick is a catalyst so seeing it is going to be rough.  Seeing it's effect on differing mass may be more practical.  This puts us back in Faraday's lab.

now that is quite intresting ....   a motor a few diffrent coils and a cap all in 1 lol  no wonder it has been such a pain in the ass to crack....

can you post the pattent you speek of Sparks

kinda sounds like one of thease 

lol

ist

This thread is like one of those Twighlight Zone episodes where the characters keep living the same day over and over.

The same questions, the same answers, and no results.

At least five different ways to see the real "kick" have been provided to this forum and no one has bothered to try any of them.

Spider's scope does not show the "kick". 

@Poynt
I made a simple 30 turn coil on a pvc pipe, 32 mm dia, from iron wire I bought at the DIY store.
Just to get some experience with coils and scopes and generators. Made some 10 turn, 20 turn too.
6 months ago I owned nothing more then a multimeter. One end is in the pulse gen, other end is connected to the scope. The second channel of the scope is in the pulse gens TTL. Pulse gen is 10 MHZ.

so spider, is this your setup you showed?

forgive me, but to my understanding this is not a kick coil described by spherics. if it wasn't supposed to be sorry, but you did call it a "kick" coil.

there's not much you can conclude from taking a measurement with this type of setup, sorry. i must agree with grumpy, this isn't the kick either.