@poynt99

If you dont wish to see, why ask....

[snip]

The question is this, do you wish to see "kicks" or not? Just be honest with me. If you cannot grant me this, then it becomes evident that you have no wish to learn anything I may have to share with you, which means that communication between us is then just a complete waste of time and effort. I will simply stop communicating with such.

Paul Andrulis

relax Paul. i am questioning your logic to perform some fancy experiment. i'm not saying now nor did i imply before that i do not wish to see your kick scope shots, i most certainly do.

if you feel it necessary to perform a fancy experiment to show the kick then i won't argue about it. i'm just saying i'd rather see what you were seeing when you exclaimed "aha, i've got kicks!"

i'm trying to learn also, and maybe my experiment was faulty.

i also think you and buzz-ard might want to be a little less nonchalant about saying the kicks are everywhere. if they were, there would be 100's of videos showing them by now, and you wouldn't have to devise any special field-canceling setup in order to show them.

show me what you saw and i won't argue, i'll just take it for what it is, i promise

IMHO, I do not believe it is a direct magnetic effect either, as kick and inrush occur in circuits in space systems (don't ask). SM's quote from the EE book about kicks was composed before the 70s, and tying the effect to the earth's magnetic field was a convenient explanation at the time. The kick only occurs in a cold circuit, as a warm circuit implies that there is already a pathway established. A warm circuit when pulsed exhibits a surge but no kick. In a cold circuit, there is an induced magnetic component as the fields around the conductor are established and atoms are entrained, just before flow can be measured - this from quantum physics. Also from quantum physics, a small number of 'looser' electrons will entrain more easily than average and start things moving before the coming inrush - this is SM's "kick" and Loner's "wavefront", and can be interpreted as 'free energy' because there was no traditional work done to cause the movement of these electrons. In a broader statement, the kick we see is the establishment of a voltage environment that joules can be transmitted through.

the EE book quote you are referring to, is that the tube amp book or something else? in the tube amp book i am sure they are referring to a physical kick rather than any type of electrical one.

atoms and electrons are entrained by the magnetic field? is this grumpy's "alignment", and Bearden's "relaxation time"?

actually they discuss two things that cause filament failure, one being the temperature cycling, and the other the kick.

the "kick" they are referring to is the physical movement of the filament due to the inrush current / earth field interaction.

so sorry to throw a wrench into your gears, but that's what they're saying. it nicely adds to the mystery of what SM means by "kick". 

@all, so if you've studied your SM well, you would know that SM refers to the kick as being two things:

a} a physical movement (already explained above)
and/or
b} a slight increase in current

notice that in b} it is current, not voltage (potential) that increases.

potential is just that, it does no work. i can make high voltage potential spikes all day, but unless i have a load attached, no work is done. if there is electron flow (i.e. current), then there is work being done.

note that SM never mentioned voltage when referring to kicks.

so Paul, you might want to revise your thinking here:

@zapnic

The principle SM was attempting to get across is a simple one, really. When electricity first flows in a circuit, you have the "inrush current". This current should technically flow at the same voltage as originally applied, yet it gains a sudden spike in voltage, at the same current. This boost is attributed to interaction with the earth's magnetic field.

In essence you put in 5V @ 100ma, and for a small fraction of a second, you see a spike of say 20v @ 100ma. For that fraction of a second you see over-unity. The sharper the input pulse and the cleaner the signal, the higher the initial voltage spike and, viola, the greater the factor of over-unity.

This is my comment on other thread but I think here would be also adequate to ask. Maybe you will find something interesting and involve that topic into proper knowledge and use in TPU.

"Searching among Tesla articles,patents, lectures I cannot find if and when he used DC like high frequency currents. All what is described are AC currents of high frequency. Their usage for artificial illumination is described in details while DC impulses of high frequency are only mentioned. Yet I believe Tesla used them for his wireless transmission.

It is a known fact that he first thought that produces waves/field is sent thought the rarefied  air and maybe it can work to the some extend but not as great as thought the ground.He maybe thought that this field is electrostatic in nature and only later discovered by experiments and notes from others (Stubblefield - Earth currents) that it was a flawed theory.

While electromagnetic field is not dependant on any external field someone would speculate about other waves...dependent on a medium to propagate...

One may imagine a  scalar pure magnetic wave in Earth magnetic field.They exists, many types - some of them are described by Alfven
but probably not all. Seems that this information is also suppressed.
I can imagine a wave which is propagating in steps - first ahead then return back. If it find another forcing impulse right in the proper time when coming back  it takes additional momentum and goes further and becomes stronger.
Of course it's clear that such a wave cannot be propelled by alternating force nor it is electromagnetic in nature.

Now  someone should explain why it is a rare effect , how to produce it, why we are not observing it. It's beyond my knowledge, I could only speculate that our worst enemy which hides that effects is electromagnetic radiation. Tesla had spoken about it  - his circuits  generated only 10% of electromagnetic radiation 95% of energy was preserved and used.

My advice : Eliminate electromagnetic radiation - you should see a plenty of miracle effects.

I can also speculate (based on my minimal knowledge) that electric part of electromagnetic wave is the key which limits those effects.

Maybe that's why Tesla did a break immediately at the peak of current change ? That produce magnetic kick, but not powering circuit during lowering edge of pulse must have peculiar advantage which I don't understand - maybe this half of the wave is the source of electric compound of electromagnetic wave ?

That's all. Now I hope that you explain me the rest ;-)"

@all

Here is the data:

I want all to know that I welcome critiques of the interpretations I will provide.

Now I will start with the setup:

Below is the diagram of the coil, number annotated:

(http://www.randallsteward.com/TPU/pauldude000/kick/CoilSchematic.jpg)

1. Is the signal ground and probe ground connection
2. Is the signal input and probe connection
3. Is the inner pancake coil, 14 turns CW
4. Is the outer pancake coil, 14 turns CCW


Below is the shot of the coil. Being a cheapskate, I used the bottom of a wicker basket as a form. The coils are wound just like the basket was initially woven. I know, cheap, but hey! Notice the probe and FG connections.

(http://www.randallsteward.com/TPU/pauldude000/kick/CoilShot.jpg)


Below is the shot of the FG being used, with clear readings of the settings. Square wave, frequency around 80Khz, input voltage at 9.8v connected to coil (under load. FG puts out a max of 10v).

(http://www.randallsteward.com/TPU/pauldude000/kick/FGShot.jpg)


The two scope shots below are taken at 5v/div and .2v/div (two tenths volt). Both at 2u (two micro) seconds.

This is a shot showing the kicks. I couldn't do much about the glare, sorry. All pics taken in daytime. I did however set the backlight so the divisions are viewable in the pic. Notice that the spiked voltage, the "kick" I am talking about which I believe SM is referencing, is around 12V.    The waveform is much to low of voltage to really register on this V/div setting. This is at 5v/div and

(http://www.randallsteward.com/TPU/pauldude000/kick/5vPerDiv.jpg)


This pic is to show the lack of resonation of the voltage spikes in the unused waveform energy. The rest is being used in the manufacture of opposing fields in the coil.

(http://www.randallsteward.com/TPU/pauldude000/kick/2TNHvPerDiv.jpg)

Conclusions:

You will notice that the spike is at such high voltage of around 12V  , even though the voltage of the waveform has dropped across the coil to 2 tenths of one volt. 12v is extremely high when the input signal has dropped from approx 10v to .2 volt. This difference in voltage does get much higher, with higher voltages applied than is used in this experiment.

The magnetic field developed is upon amperage, but the power usable to the entire system is a combination of Voltage or potential AND current. P=IV. For those instances, the power is whatever amperage is fluctuating through the coil at the applied signal, TIMES this extra voltage, but for only the duration of the spike. With just a spike here or there, this is for all purposes negligable. Yet if enough are generated fast enough......... (I forgot to measure the amperage, I am sorry, but you can now measure yourself to satisfy your own curiosity on this.) 

Not too much difference in practice to the energy of a disruptive spark gap, in that a certain amount of energy is given to a system, but this energy is first contained, allowed to build up, and then conducted very rapidly, which can yield effective outputs in the multiple kilowatts with but a small wattage input, when considering the amount of amperage at a given voltage is flowing ALL AT ONCE OVER A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, instead of trickling through the system at a steady rate.

This small extra wattage available from the "kick" to the system will appear to be a huge gain if repeated at a rapid enough rate, is my current understanding.

@poynt99

Concerning the reference, could be. I just don't know. However, I do know that potential plays a large part in work. Voltages changes in any form do affect magnetic field strength in any coil. You already know this. The principle of an inductance coil fed through a resistance with 1A at 12v, then at 1A at 120v.

Paul Andrulis

Approximately poynt, I drew using paint as my schematic program sucks for some applications. ( ExpressSch ) I used the circles to denote inner and outer windings.

Shoot, I was in too much of a hurry, sorry.

After posting this, I spent the entire remainder of the afternoon using a chainsaw to lop up downed trees and limbs in the shelter belt from the last tornado we had come this way. I STILL have around 12 to 24 more hours worth of cutting to do....  I am glad it skipped the house though.  When I heard the scream of air leaving the house, the basement door slamming shut, and brush hitting the side walls of the house, I thought for a second I had problems.

Amazingly enough, after examination of the belt, it looks to have hit the belt, then jumped. One tab of one shingle was the only damage to the house, though one corner of the belt looks positively nuked. 

I am not going to complain.

Paul Andrulis

@Poynt99

When you build your coil, also get two small neodium magnets and a piece of string. Connect the neodiums in series , with the thread in the center. (N/S-Thread-N/S) Suspend this approx., in the middle of the coil. Start at one hertz and progress upwards to around twenty hertz. These seem mainly to be low frequency effects, at least in my coil.

The effects of the field are interesting.

Paul Andrulis