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pauldude000

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #435 on: July 02, 2008, 10:22:43 AM »
Concerning Radiant Energy and Tesla:

You know what they say, "A picture is worth a thousand words", AND "The best place to get information is directly from the horses mouth". Lets see who will listen to Tesla himself.

A quote from his patent # 685958 "Method of Utilizing Radiant Energy":

(http://www.geocities.com/pauldude000/teslaquote.jpg)

"Minute particles of matter which are strongly electrified........."

I said before, I say again, read the original patent quoted in the last post, then read this one. His device in his own words, IN BOTH PATENTS, works according to ionizing radiation, like it or not.

The problem with so much interpretation of Tesla's words are that one person puts in his two bits, another follows and puts in his two bits, and before you know it, for every dollars worth of information claimed to be from him Tesla only owns two cents. Everyone then claims that Tesla was the complete author, when generally his contribution was a partially misunderstood concept and his name.

Tesla himself would be shaking his head, exasperated in complete disbelief if he could see all the BS people attribute to him today.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #436 on: July 02, 2008, 10:45:41 AM »
Tesla himself would be shaking his head, exasperated in complete disbelief if he could see all the BS people attribute to him today.
Of course, I've read the patent. And your confusion is understandable. Well, maybe I'm incorrect in assuming Tesla EVER thought of something along the lines I'm writting myself. But the talk about producing some kind of "shield" is something to note - this is mentioned in some sources in relation to Tesla. Maybe it's not about "radiant energy shield". But then again you do not know what this "RE antenna" really "pumped in". If it's not in production today there are two possibilities: either it does not work or nobody knows how it really works. Beside that, my insights do not rely on fantasy only. I'm not trying to convince anybody by "injecting" authority of Tesla or someone else. I'm just trying to find "parallels". Again, no need to accuse anybody - it's counter-productive. Trying to accuse me I'm wanting to "gain" anything in these freelance internet forum discussions is a plain paranoia. Things are "gained" in a scientific environment, in conferences and publications in Nature, Scientific American, etc. Patents are also used for "gain". Get real.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2008, 11:06:39 AM by aleks »

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #437 on: July 02, 2008, 04:20:00 PM »
Tesla said many things:

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I asked Dr. Tesla if his plan for transmission of power between planets involved the use of cosmic rays, and he stated that the two projects have no connection whatever. He stated that he has continued his experimental work in the laboratory on the interplanetary power transmission project and is certain of its feasibility.

Are Radiant Energy and Radiant Electricty two different things?


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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #438 on: July 02, 2008, 04:52:11 PM »
Are Radiant Energy and Radiant Electricty two different things?
Yep, Radiant Electricity is close to what I'm writing myself:
http://www.communicationagents.com/chris/2003/06/06/ramifications_of_free_energytesla_and_others.htm

"No reversal of current was permissible, else the effect would not manifest."

One interesting idea... What if one can "pump in" more charge into capacitor than usual? Radiant Energy patent also tells about "cracking" capacitors when they are overcharged. Seems like it is important. I.e. striking an already charged capacitor with more energy.

"Tesla found it impossible to measure a diminution in radiant force at several hundred yards..."

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #439 on: July 02, 2008, 05:58:57 PM »
Yep, Radiant Electricity is close to what I'm writing myself:
http://www.communicationagents.com/chris/2003/06/06/ramifications_of_free_energytesla_and_others.htm

"No reversal of current was permissible, else the effect would not manifest."

One interesting idea... What if one can "pump in" more charge into capacitor than usual? Radiant Energy patent also tells about "cracking" capacitors when they are overcharged. Seems like it is important. I.e. striking an already charged capacitor with more energy.

"Tesla found it impossible to measure a diminution in radiant force at several hundred yards..."

Exactly.  Radiant electricity is aften confused with radiant energy - especially when one uses "RE" which can men either one.

"Pumping" more charge into a capacitor than usual is what Bedini speaks of when charging capacitors and batteries with RE.  Now, when we look at what goes on in a capacitor we see that it is the "dielectric" material that is "stressed" or "polarized" or "altered" - the conductive plates merely provide a means to access the dielectric.  The "change" is stored in the dielectric.  So, if the energy changing the dielectric were to somehow be more efficient then you would get more charge in the capacitor.

The "tempic" field declines with distance - not the distance squared like electric charge and not the distnce cubed like magnetic fields - just the distance - so it is ideal for communications and any other transmissions between two points.  Of course we don't need to transmit energy between points if we can just collect it at the point where we need it.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #440 on: July 02, 2008, 06:47:19 PM »
Grumpy, I guess this link http://www.treurniet.ca/Smith/Tempic.htm describes what you mean by Tempic field?

In my current understanding, "fields" - may not be required at all if you consider space as being filled with complex-numbered resonators having 6 degrees of freedom (i.e. beside normal 3 dimensional displacement they have additional 3 dimensions which accompany them). Then magnetic/electric interactions are easily unified. But beside that and important "function" of such complex-numbered space is that it can form static dispositions of resonators. E.g. in "no energy" state this space is filled with resonators at equal distances from each other. However, when space is "curved", resonators are placed non-uniformly (e.g. concentric non-uniformity) thus creating a gradual change of length standard, or what we would call a gravity: simply because vibrations will be carried toward the center of non-uniformity at a diminishing or increasing speed.

I have not studied this complex-numbered space myself, but it may be very possible that waves may propagate in circular manner there quite easily. Thus various vibratory modes can be established of varying vastness and frequency.

Hopefully after more tinkering with the idea I can reduce magnetic/electric (maybe tempic) into a simple oscillation of this complex-numbered space.

Note that as I see "radiant electricity" can be made beam-like just by engaging several devices (or generators) along the same axis (even if a single generator produces spherical field).

(complex-numbered space can probably be represented as 3D complex-numbered matrix with each element being a polar coordinates vector - this however limits each node to 2 degrees of freedom - other degrees of freedom are "locked" as in-matrix positions, so it's actually 5 degrees of freedom - not 6 as I thought at first).

what a mess, I know... I'm just trying to represent our reality as a some "gradient field matrix" where each element is defined by polar coordinate pair. This way it will be very easy to use 3D discrete complex Fourier transform to calculate its state in frequency domain.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2008, 07:29:31 PM by aleks »

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #441 on: July 07, 2008, 07:15:42 PM »
I think we have strayed way past SM AND Tesla, time to get back on topic.

I am going to again go over SM's words, and examine carefully his statements. (This never hurts anyway.) I am going to go over tesla's patents with this in mind, and some other coils, and see if something new doesn't manifest itself.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #442 on: July 08, 2008, 09:58:52 AM »
@All

I was considering junking this thread, but decided to revise it instead.


My understanding before is comparable to a fart in a windstorm.

It has mostly blown away, to be replaced with a new exciting aroma. Old one junk, not possible. New one possible.

Some interesting points, with my current understanding, which may change rapidly on short notice..

1. You can use three CC's, as it is simpler.
2. You are not designing a Tesla patent type of coil. This is way different.
3. Understand that there are AT LEAST three separate collector COILS, with a set of controls wound over EACH collector coil.
4. The controls for the individual coils are the exciter coils (lose the concept of primary and secondary. This is anything BUT a transformer. Think exciter/excited rather than primary/secondary.)
5. There is not just one rotating field..... there are at least two and possibly three....... (rotating at right angles to each other, which forms a weird shaped oddly spinning pseudo ball shape.)
6. One field rotates around the circumference (As previously described).
7. Another is created by the collectors themselves, due to phase difference of the field of each.
8. THREE frequencies are needed, one for each SET of matching controls per entire SET of collectors.
9. The center collector should be fed in reverse control coil order to the outer two collector sets.
10. Point 9 is critical, as it forms the second rotating field from the current formed in the three collectors due to the induced sines from each set of controls around their parent collectors. (see the pancake coil experiment I spoke about in loners thread.)
11. This shares concepts with both a particle accelerator, and something else. (Dont ask the "something else", as I have but a fuzzy notion at this point.)
12. IT IS NOT a standing wave effect....

I am still putting this together in my mind, and will post more as my understanding grows.

All this and much more from sifting a lousy pdf, which by the way I have "read" multiple times, with a fine toothed comb...

I am also creating another pdf, with all relevant quotes from SM, the good Dr., etc. in a somewhat numbered and categorized format for all interested.

By the way, Steven never claimed to have any patents of this in his name. In fact, he said the coils themselves were not patented at all. He said that the only patents were concerning the control circuitry, and these were to UEC. (Which means under the name of one of the members of UEC.) Anyone interested should look for an "energy generation" patent utilizing three harmonic frequencies, and measuring both heat and voltage, probably claimed for a toroidal transformer. Do patent searches on the first names of the people he mentions he worked with in the pdf, then look through the results for anything suspicious concerning transformers, efficient control pulsing systems, Energy generation/control/distribution etc.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #443 on: July 08, 2008, 10:26:10 AM »
Hello all,

@Paul

1. you can use 2, 3 , 4 or 8 control coils
2. we have bifilar wound controls - like Tesla did it and described it
3. there is at least 1 collector or 2 or maximal 3 collectors
4. the controls, wound in a bifilar manner, are 1 exiter, trigger coil and the other part of the bifilar is the load coil
8. 2 or 3 frequencies are needed
12. its a longitudinal wave or said in a better way, we are dealing with compression waves, clearly to see on my scope.

Of course Im talking about a TPU with a core.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #444 on: July 08, 2008, 11:20:06 AM »
Hello all,

@Paul

1. you can use 2, 3 , 4 or 8 control coils
2. we have bifilar wound controls - like Tesla did it and described it
3. there is at least 1 collector or 2 or maximal 3 collectors
4. the controls, wound in a bifilar manner, are 1 exiter, trigger coil and the other part of the bifilar is the load coil
8. 2 or 3 frequencies are needed
12. its a longitudinal wave or said in a better way, we are dealing with compression waves, clearly to see on my scope.

Of course Im talking about a TPU with a core.

Otto

You can have as many collectors as you wish.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #445 on: July 08, 2008, 11:46:35 AM »
Hello all,

@tsl

if you think that with a lot of collectors you would have more on the output then youre wrong.

Not so long ago I had a collector with 24 strands of fine wires, each strand with 10 or so very fine, thin, wires. Output was not bad but....

Im using my lamp wire with 2 strands and the output is the same.

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« Reply #446 on: July 08, 2008, 07:12:59 PM »
IMO...
It depends on your definition of a collector.
If a collector is what most call the TPU then tsl is right. If it is a single horizontal loop then both would be right. If mutiple turns of a horizontal loop then too many turns and things become worse. 
To me, the collector is the complete unit. The instructions from SM fit better.
Yes, the control coil are only controls.

Opinions only....

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« Reply #447 on: July 08, 2008, 10:48:33 PM »
hello
mmmhh sm say about "inrush currents" is his overunity
so how we will fit that in ?
remanent induction?

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« Reply #448 on: July 10, 2008, 05:14:16 PM »
Look at the Colorado Springs coil laid on its side.

 Nikola Tesla seated inside a circular framework 51 feet in diameter, which supported the primary and secondary conductors of the largest Tesla coil ever built, at his Colorado Springs experimental station in 1899. The oscillator is operating at 100 khz, and the discharges occur with a deafening roar striking an unconnected, comparatively smaller diameter coil 22 feet away. The activity of the oscillator created earth currents of such magnitude that sparks an inch long could be drawn from a water main at a distance of 300 feet from the station. The inscription on the photograph is addressed to Sir William Crookes and reads; To my illustrious friend Sir William Crookes of whom I always think and whose letters I never answer. June 17, 1901 Nikola Tesla.

I see 3 coils.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #449 on: July 15, 2008, 08:54:01 AM »
@zapnic

The principle SM was attempting to get across is a simple one, really. When electricity first flows in a circuit, you have the "inrush current". This current should technically flow at the same voltage as originally applied, yet it gains a sudden spike in voltage, at the same current. This boost is attributed to interaction with the earth's magnetic field.

In essence you put in 5V @ 100ma, and for a small fraction of a second, you see a spike of say 20v @ 100ma. For that fraction of a second you see over-unity. The sharper the input pulse and the cleaner the signal, the higher the initial voltage spike and, viola, the greater the factor of over-unity.

@Giantkiller

I love that photo. There are actually several versions of this photo, at different angles that were taken. What is funny is that many actually thought BECAUSE of this photo that Tesla was actually sitting there, when this is actually an intended effect, and not reality. Tesla wanted a double exposure pic for publishing in the "Electrical Experimenter" magazine of the time, among others. The coils would have killed anyone within the cage upon operation.

One photo was taken from each angle with him sitting, then another superimposed with the coil in operation. What is interesting, is that there are other coils as well not present in this picture, if I remember correctly. It has been awhile.

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