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Author Topic: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.  (Read 43186 times)

Offline Ergo

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2008, 10:09:34 AM »
How is your motor development proceeding? Any news?

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2008, 11:57:47 AM »
To harness energy from orbiting planets we can start with the moon. In Norway we have this already. It is called tidewave powerplants. Vidar

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2008, 09:56:18 AM »
How is your motor development proceeding? Any news?



Please check my YouTube page http://nl.youtube.com/user/anandaadhar where I load my updates. I keep you posted. As said above I am now engaged in improving version 3 (see: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=pHWgxEFk2_g). I am making a version with MDF hardboard and properly bolted bearings. So there is less tape now.  It has gained weight but also force. Endresult is as good as achieved yet but a stronger build. I also exeriment with improving direct feed back of the drag from the disc to the primary stator. I have a fast spinner now based on that, but the feedback needs further study. Two rotating magnet fields on top of each other make a 'skating effect' once on speed, which allows pretty strong magnets to spin very close.  The feedback is supposed to regulate the force between the stator and the rotor. Without it it will never work. It is the bottle neck of the design. It gives me trouble. I'll make an update movie as soon I have some reasonable progress with the feedback.

By the way, can anybody do away with this embarassing 'incredible water motor' advertised to the left? The movie is clearly a fake (watch the yellow tape jumping with the cut) to catch us believers in paying for a design that doesn't work.  It is like the Brady (Perendev) demonstration that fooled Stirling Allan and many others because he didn't notice something was happening behind the machine (see http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa8EBXKDW4&feature=related).

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2008, 10:02:33 AM »
To harness energy from orbiting planets we can start with the moon. In Norway we have this already. It is called tidewave powerplants. Vidar

If you pay attention  to my free energy lecture on this (2-part 1: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y3jwymwwFo) we, here at overunity.com are dealing with fourth generation sustainable energy technologies. Wind mills, solar energy and tidal plants clearly belong to the earliers generations. What we are engaged in here is the direct harnessing of space energy without an intermediate like the ocean.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2008, 11:43:25 AM »
Well you've got an interesting and ingenious variation on the
ancient sunwheel idea. :)

Why exactly you want to make it 100% mechanical and not partly
solid state electronics is unclear to me, but of course it's your perogative.
In my opinion solid state non-moving OU electrical generators are what we
want, because they don't experience phyisical friction of the moving parts
and thus wear down less fast.

But that does not change the fact that you have an interesting approach. ;)
Keep up the good work! :)

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2008, 07:47:54 PM »
Well you've got an interesting and ingenious variation on the
ancient sunwheel idea. :)

Why exactly you want to make it 100% mechanical and not partly
solid state electronics is unclear to me, but of course it's your perogative.
In my opinion solid state non-moving OU electrical generators are what we
want, because they don't experience phyisical friction of the moving parts
and thus wear down less fast.

But that does not change the fact that you have an interesting approach. ;)
Keep up the good work! :)

Well I don't have to do what Bearden and Bedini have done. They did their share in proving the OU case. What we need for education is the mechanical version. I believe it is possible to have a mechanical translation of the Bedini and Bearden proofs: stressing fields:>reaction force> overunity. In stead of an electronic circuit a magnetic circuit. I know it is not interesting for an efficient production of energy directly, but the mechanical proof is the final drop for the paradigm to break through. When we have an easy schoolboy demonstration replicable version, then will all teachers have to explain why that works. That is it. We don't just corner the fields into OU, but also the sitting powers...that's my plan.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2008, 11:14:59 PM »
If you pay attention  to my free energy lecture on this (2-part 1: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y3jwymwwFo) we, here at overunity.com are dealing with fourth generation sustainable energy technologies. Wind mills, solar energy and tidal plants clearly belong to the earliers generations. What we are engaged in here is the direct harnessing of space energy without an intermediate like the ocean.

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I see. I was refering to this:
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If you consider the movement of planets as a proof of natural overunity, the proof is there already. Okay. But if we want to catch that energy in a machine we must make a balance of forces good enough to harness that universal restlessness.
I thought you ment that there is energy in the movements of the planets. They are as we know in a perfect balance between gravity and centripetal force. They contain only static kinetic energy as long as they can freely orbit the sun without altering direction, speed etc. due to other forces than gravity from other planets. However, they are in fact slowing down due to friction through gasses, astroides, and so on. They are quite heavy so the process takes a few weeks to a complete stop ;D

In other words: I do not really understand how you can harness space energy. Where do you find a potential difference as big as the universe? If so, this difference will force to equalize, and in this process you can convert that equalizing energy potentials into mechanical movement. I mean that harnessing energy can only be done where you have a potential energy difference. I can't see where you can find that out of thin air (space).

Vidar.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2008, 09:47:01 AM »
Hi,

I see. I was refering to this:I thought you ment that there is energy in the movements of the planets. They are as we know in a perfect balance between gravity and centripetal force. They contain only static kinetic energy as long as they can freely orbit the sun without altering direction, speed etc. due to other forces than gravity from other planets. However, they are in fact slowing down due to friction through gasses, astroides, and so on. They are quite heavy so the process takes a few weeks to a complete stop ;D

In other words: I do not really understand how you can harness space energy. Where do you find a potential difference as big as the universe? If so, this difference will force to equalize, and in this process you can convert that equalizing energy potentials into mechanical movement. I mean that harnessing energy can only be done where you have a potential energy difference. I can't see where you can find that out of thin air (space).

Vidar.

Planets move because of the space energy of the relative ether. Ether is a spacial force field. The basic three ethers are: the expanding time space, the contracting universal space, and the local forcefield of curved space around the cosmic condensate of the stars and planets. All matter is a condensation of the primal energy of the ether. The basic idea of harnessing the space energy of the relative ether is simple: the magnet polarizes the space around it in a static fashion. Space energy is chaotic: it bubbles as Bearden says, it goes in every direction, but magnets create order in that energy and make the magnet do work.  Thus we have the dipole. Harnessing that dipole has to be done in magnetic alternation working a load in such a way representing the three forms of ether that the poles are not allowed to stick; as Bearden says: don't kill the dipole. The primal stator figures for the centrifugal expanding force. The feedback secondary stators stand for the creative or controlling centripetal force (weaker in effect than the first one). The spinning disc stands for the cyclic of the local order. Thus we make two magnet fields spinning on top of each other, the moving stator and rotor, we make them chase each others sticky point eventually using drag and eddy currents to stick the two together. That point becomes the powerpoint, it becomes the advantage, not the hindrance. Thus we have momentum. The real problem is the timing and control of that energy in the magnetic circuit balancing the forces of the ether, otherwise the two fields (or forces) run out of sync and are we thus misrepresenting the universal forces and  will we never get our hand (the start-up engine) out of the equation.  The electronic circuit of the MEG proves the energy can be caught and used. The question is: can we do that same thing in a magnetic circuit timing the momentum and thus make the passive force a reactive force, as Bedini calls it, to do work for us?

Remember: the basic hypothesis we are testing here is: stressed magnet fields replenish from the vacuum. That is what we are trying to confirm.  That is the source of the OU we are looking for. Bearden proved this thesis solid state electronically, Bedini proved the 'ether gas' electromechanically with coils and batteries. Now the final proof of the mechanics of magnets alone delivering OU in a circuit containing a load is to be delivered. If easily replicable, then we are done with the paradigm in a scientific way. Research, Theory, hypothesis and then the experiment to confirm, to prove, that what thus has been assumed to be true is true.

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IPMM MAN tials and version 4.0
« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2008, 11:55:47 AM »
I have posted at YouTube my trials with the IPMM MAN device. Finally the ideal concept of feedback was found resulting with version 4.0 in the conclusion that by this type of design no magnetic overunity can be found. I rest my case.
See the vids part 1 & 2
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=NVap7HFc4ig
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=mpXnPXqKYYc&feature=related

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IPMM MAN tials and version 4.0
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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2008, 09:31:40 AM »
Sadly I was hoping to see the oneway bearings at work in version 4.0 to remove the backlash :(

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2008, 10:21:39 AM »
Sadly I was hoping to see the oneway bearings at work in version 4.0 to remove the backlash :(
First I was sad too, but now I understand with this exclusion that feeding the force of magnetism back onto itself always leads to a stall for an easily replicable selfrunner. What is won is that this result nicely narrows the avenue of research, so that we with more determination can work for our goal. Pure magnetic overunity is not impossible though, but it takes high speeds and refined magnetisation as with Searl's selfrunner (cross-magnetisation and over 300 rpm needed). Searl's machine maybe called a 'graviton converting centrifuge'. That is okay for industry and commerce. But it disqualifies for an easy replication needed for demonstrations in an educational setting and thus will not serve our purpose. The proof delivered by the IPMM negative outcome excludes the way of Brady, Johnson and other oneway purely magnetic concepts like the OCMPMM. Feeding the same force upon itself will the easy way never reliably deliver overunity energy. In a normal setup that you and I can follow in engineering and reasoning are at least two forces needed. That I have proven now. Two basic forces of nature constituting the relative of the ether. The relative easily gives the energy, not so much the absolute of one force driven to an extreme. The concept of draining an absolute ether (the primal ether of expansion) we have to drop for our purpose. What thus remains are the options of Finsrud and Hamel. They use the force of gravity (the universal ether of centripetal force) in relation to magnetism (the local ether of cyclic time) to create a chronic imbalance and thus arrive at a selfrunning status. I have now a design in mind to try a simplified version of Hamel's Gravito Magnetic Device. So there will be no IPMM-MAN upgrade anymore, but maybe a GMAN device for the proof of gravito-magnetic overunity 1.0. If I get it to work that is. I'll start another page here at overunity.com for that concept when my experimenting has lead to something appreciable.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2008, 11:34:47 AM »
Instead of making my own page i'll post my ideas on a possible Hamel GMD at the Hamel Generator page.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5011.msg114847.html#msg114847



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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2008, 03:34:23 PM »
You cannot make a motor self run by it's own. No matter how you arange the magnets the forces will eventually find equilibrium.
Speed doesn't matter in this case. When loaded down to perform work it will stop even faster, if not immediately.

I have studied the movies and drawings on the Searl object. I'm sorry to tell you that there is nothing remarkable going on there.
All movement is simply induced by the surrounding C-shaped electromagnets. It is a simple but funny looking regular electric motor.
No overunity at all. And no other "anti gravity" forces either for that matter. They are just looking for "easy to fool" investers.

Pure magnetic overunity is not impossible though, but it takes high speeds and refined magnetisation as with Searl's selfrunner (cross-magnetisation and over 300 rpm needed). Searl's machine maybe called a 'graviton converting centrifuge'.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2008, 07:37:00 PM »
You cannot make a motor self run by it's own. No matter how you arange the magnets the forces will eventually find equilibrium.
Speed doesn't matter in this case. When loaded down to perform work it will stop even faster, if not immediately.

I have studied the movies and drawings on the Searl object. I'm sorry to tell you that there is nothing remarkable going on there.
All movement is simply induced by the surrounding C-shaped electromagnets. It is a simple but funny looking regular electric motor.
No overunity at all. And no other "anti gravity" forces either for that matter. They are just looking for "easy to fool" investers.


You really should be "cogito ergo sum", and study the replication the russians Sergi Mikhailovich Godin and Vladimir Vitalievich Roschin of the Russian Academy of Science in Moskow made. http://www.rexresearch.com/roschin2/roschgod.htm  and http://www.rexresearch.com/roschin2/roschgod.htm Their machine, called the Magneto-gravitational converter (MGC), was patented by them http://www.google.com/patents?id=cIQRAAAAEBAJ&dq=6,822,361. It was a selfrunner after 300 rpm requiring a load to keep it under control and manifested more special effects like a loss of weight and luminescence. For more articles, see: http://rexresearch.com/searl3/searl.htm. Searl is for real, believe it.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2008, 11:24:33 AM »
Maybe i'll reopen the IPMM case with an 5.0 version of implementing the Achilles Ligeras/Dave Squires concept. So the loop would be pulsed by the piston that is placed in response to the cakra pulsing off-center. Will it work? I'll try a design and keep you posted if it does.
see threads:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5671.new#new
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5674.0;topicseen

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