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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2008, 05:25:07 PM »
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If the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.
You need a constant unbalanced system. Nature have that bad habbit that it want to get everything in balance. In such condition is how for example an electric motors works. There is an unbalance between the energy source and the motor. As long the nature force these two in balance, the motor will run. When the energy source is at the same level as the energy in the motor, the motor will stop. Energy is relative, so two objects charged with the same amount of energy, will not do work. However, if those two objects was unevenly charged with energy, the least charged will "steal" energy from the most charged object, and as long this takes place, work is done. As there is a mass in the equation, this energy transportation will take time, but finally the energy difference is zero, then there is not work to be done.
This will also happen in your device. It consumes energy to make energy difference - disequilibrium, and that is done by using your hand to manually influence the system. Removing your hand, will most probably make the system to halt. I might overseen something, but this is as far I understand your system, and how it works.

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Very good description Vidar.  You are right on target describing the function of a motor and what must occur in order for it to run.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2008, 07:27:35 PM »
All dimensions, symetry, theory aside...

Lets use logic a lot of friction is in this system...

Some of this is friction that cannot be seen and I think it is the biggest culprit I aint no magnetic expert
but, simply have a look at any flux diagram for magnetics you will see a shit ton of unseen influence...

Here is some suggestions based on this:

Remove friction of moving joints of the arms by using magnetics to suspend the joints of the arm in the air.

Remove the friction of magnetic flux paths by directing the flux via semi shielding.

Possibly these things taken into account may do something ...

You have a lot of neo's in your setup there is a lot of influence which you do not see in this system I think that a lot of these influences cause undesireable drag on the system...

Finally for this to be over unity you must produce energy with it as well as keep it moving so you will have the influence of coils and other magnets underneath the disc to produce energy with it..

If this thing runs at 100% int will run continuously without the use of the hand other then the initial start and that may be taken into account when you talk about overunity as well so it may only be 99.9% overunity because the initial start took outside force...

This thing is rather interesting though but I am glad you are at the least honest about your system and did not take fishing line and try to influence your arm on the IPMM MAN with a second person creating a hoax. There are far too many trixsters in the energy market today.

I do not gaurentee anything though bud all that I will say is that everyone in this world knows that magnetics is not fully understood and knows that there is some way to create more energy then thermodynamic laws allow the writing is on the wall and has been for some 100 years!

Maybe the answer to the energy crisis is the IPMM MAN, TPU, Warden Cliff Tower Replication, Noblefuse or another nuclear fusion, Ball Lightning, maybe antimatter, LHC, solar research, wind research or a combination of differnt tech.

We must take into account the positives and negatives of all energy generation!

I really appreciate your efforts one must surely perspire on order to inspire!

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2008, 07:38:06 PM »
By the way there is another imput source of energy that you are harnessing already I did not notice....

GRAVITY...

The counter wait is using the force of gravity in your machine as well ;) so weather you use a sterling engine or gravity it does not matter there is another power source being used...

anyhow just thought I would relay that as I didnt pay much attention to the counter weight but it must be factored in when we talk about unity of the device as well...

Just a heads up you will hear about it (in a more arrogant tone of course) if you do get it fully running on its own as well...

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2008, 11:23:15 PM »
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If the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.
You need a constant unbalanced system. Nature have that bad habbit that it want to get everything in balance. In such condition is how for example an electric motors works. There is an unbalance between the energy source and the motor. As long the nature force these two in balance, the motor will run. When the energy source is at the same level as the energy in the motor, the motor will stop. Energy is relative, so two objects charged with the same amount of energy, will not do work. However, if those two objects was unevenly charged with energy, the least charged will "steal" energy from the most charged object, and as long this takes place, work is done. As there is a mass in the equation, this energy transportation will take time, but finally the energy difference is zero, then there is not work to be done.
This will also happen in your device. It consumes energy to make energy difference - disequilibrium, and that is done by using your hand to manually influence the system. Removing your hand, will most probably make the system to halt. I might overseen something, but this is as far I understand your system, and how it works.

Br.

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Until the hand is removed that is so indeed. The purpose of the quest is to remove the hand and have it replaced by the reaction force trapped in the loop. Three forces of space energy are at play in its three dimensional different directions. When these are properly balanced, the fourth dimension of time is the only way to go for the energy inherent to the universe that is running through the magnets' poles: hence the Reaction Force is driven by time essentially. The point of these type of machines is that, if they work, they work BECAUSE there is a broken symmetry in the universe. The universe is moving because it wants to return to the original singularity. Normally the universe outsmarts us with our machined efforts by arresting our invitation to work for us on the account of the inertia of friction and poor balancing. The question thus is: can we be as smart as the universe? Can we create indeed such a challenge of forces and balance, in miniature comprehending the universal basics with the paradigm reflected in the machine, that the universe proves itself restless? This is the crude outline set-up for it to test this. Remember R. Finsrud already proved such a balance is possible. T. Bearden proved that the reaction force of stressed magnet fields is replenishing them from the vacuum and Bedini proved the electromechanics of the negative energy. So in fact it is all proven on all three levels of proof already, we are just too faithless, lazy and clumsy to follow consequently.
Let's say you're right. You have finally found the critical balance. Then it runs forever. What happens if you load the machine in order to extract that "universe energy"? The machine is then suddenly in unbalace, and will stop. So what if the load isn't constant - what practical load is constant?

If the universe outsmart us, howcome you, or anyone for that matter, figured that out?

I can agree there is a non-symmetry universe, but the space is quite big, and the non-symmetry might be significant and useful over the distance of our solar system, but how much significant is the non-symmetry over a few inches of space? How much energy difference is there in the space a few inches apart? Next to nothing. Energy is relative, and the energy difference in a space not more than a few inches apart should be next to nothing - thus does not do proper work to even fight the slightest friction. Maybe I understand you incorrectly in your claim regarding the non-symmetrical universe.

Regarding Finsruds machine, this is just a piece of art, a heavy duty spring and a very heavy leaden weight. In other words a slow clock with very little loss - which is possible to wind up once in a while. The magnetism in that machine has nothing to do with the power source, but plays a roll regarding the pendulums to move right and as lossy less as possible. Finsrud hasn't denied my theory of his machine yet. I guess he would say something if I was wrong ;)

No offence @AnandAadhar, if you might misunderstand my intention with this or any of my replies. I am just very sceptic, and would like to questioning things all the time.

Keep working :)

Br.

Vidar


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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2008, 10:40:51 AM »
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If the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.
You need a constant unbalanced system. Nature have that bad habbit that it want to get everything in balance. In such condition is how for example an electric motors works. There is an unbalance between the energy source and the motor. As long the nature force these two in balance, the motor will run. When the energy source is at the same level as the energy in the motor, the motor will stop. Energy is relative, so two objects charged with the same amount of energy, will not do work. However, if those two objects was unevenly charged with energy, the least charged will "steal" energy from the most charged object, and as long this takes place, work is done. As there is a mass in the equation, this energy transportation will take time, but finally the energy difference is zero, then there is not work to be done.
This will also happen in your device. It consumes energy to make energy difference - disequilibrium, and that is done by using your hand to manually influence the system. Removing your hand, will most probably make the system to halt. I might overseen something, but this is as far I understand your system, and how it works.

Br.

Vidar

Until the hand is removed that is so indeed. The purpose of the quest is to remove the hand and have it replaced by the reaction force trapped in the loop. Three forces of space energy are at play in its three dimensional different directions. When these are properly balanced, the fourth dimension of time is the only way to go for the energy inherent to the universe that is running through the magnets' poles: hence the Reaction Force is driven by time essentially. The point of these type of machines is that, if they work, they work BECAUSE there is a broken symmetry in the universe. The universe is moving because it wants to return to the original singularity. Normally the universe outsmarts us with our machined efforts by arresting our invitation to work for us on the account of the inertia of friction and poor balancing. The question thus is: can we be as smart as the universe? Can we create indeed such a challenge of forces and balance, in miniature comprehending the universal basics with the paradigm reflected in the machine, that the universe proves itself restless? This is the crude outline set-up for it to test this. Remember R. Finsrud already proved such a balance is possible. T. Bearden proved that the reaction force of stressed magnet fields is replenishing them from the vacuum and Bedini proved the electromechanics of the negative energy. So in fact it is all proven on all three levels of proof already, we are just too faithless, lazy and clumsy to follow consequently.
Let's say you're right. You have finally found the critical balance. Then it runs forever. What happens if you load the machine in order to extract that "universe energy"? The machine is then suddenly in unbalace, and will stop. So what if the load isn't constant - what practical load is constant?

If the universe outsmart us, howcome you, or anyone for that matter, figured that out?

I can agree there is a non-symmetry universe, but the space is quite big, and the non-symmetry might be significant and useful over the distance of our solar system, but how much significant is the non-symmetry over a few inches of space? How much energy difference is there in the space a few inches apart? Next to nothing. Energy is relative, and the energy difference in a space not more than a few inches apart should be next to nothing - thus does not do proper work to even fight the slightest friction. Maybe I understand you incorrectly in your claim regarding the non-symmetrical universe.

Regarding Finsruds machine, this is just a piece of art, a heavy duty spring and a very heavy leaden weight. In other words a slow clock with very little loss - which is possible to wind up once in a while. The magnetism in that machine has nothing to do with the power source, but plays a roll regarding the pendulums to move right and as lossy less as possible. Finsrud hasn't denied my theory of his machine yet. I guess he would say something if I was wrong ;)

No offence @AnandAadhar, if you might misunderstand my intention with this or any of my replies. I am just very sceptic, and would like to questioning things all the time.

Keep working :)

Br.

Vidar



First concern is to get it run, then we worry about things as harnessing and scaling. One step at a time.
Evolution proves that we become more and more smart in representing an abstract of the natural forces. So we eventually get as smart as to harness the space energy just like the aliens with their UFO's do without us having paradigmatic qualms.
The great forces of nature are represented at the molecular level also. Great oppositions in nature like expansion and contraction do also exist on that level, and thus also with magnetics, and so managing an imbalance at that level migth very well work.
My advise is be not too skeptical about e.g. Finsrud. That would harm your mindfulness about real effects.  I trust him when he is saying he does not wind it up like a clock. He insists it runs for years now of its own without any way of charging the system. So when he catches the unrest between magnetism and gravity in his machine, I hold that for a true effect. Better believe and have the chance to find a similar way, then not to believe and be stuck. Isn't it? Better to have love and lost than not to have loved at all. That is the true nature of scientific experiment. And that is what I am trying; to be a faithfull scientist testing a hypothesis. More i cannot say or do really.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2008, 10:44:30 AM »
By the way there is another imput source of energy that you are harnessing already I did not notice....

GRAVITY...

The counter wait is using the force of gravity in your machine as well ;) so weather you use a sterling engine or gravity it does not matter there is another power source being used...

anyhow just thought I would relay that as I didnt pay much attention to the counter weight but it must be factored in when we talk about unity of the device as well...

Just a heads up you will hear about it (in a more arrogant tone of course) if you do get it fully running on its own as well...

yes, it very well might work with the assistance of gravity, Fnsrud did that too. If it works that way it confirms his design of proving the restessness of those two natural forces. That's okay with me.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2008, 10:55:02 AM »
All dimensions, symetry, theory aside...

Lets use logic a lot of friction is in this system...

Some of this is friction that cannot be seen and I think it is the biggest culprit I aint no magnetic expert
but, simply have a look at any flux diagram for magnetics you will see a shit ton of unseen influence...

Here is some suggestions based on this:

Remove friction of moving joints of the arms by using magnetics to suspend the joints of the arm in the air.

Remove the friction of magnetic flux paths by directing the flux via semi shielding.

Possibly these things taken into account may do something ...

You have a lot of neo's in your setup there is a lot of influence which you do not see in this system I think that a lot of these influences cause undesireable drag on the system...

Finally for this to be over unity you must produce energy with it as well as keep it moving so you will have the influence of coils and other magnets underneath the disc to produce energy with it..

If this thing runs at 100% int will run continuously without the use of the hand other then the initial start and that may be taken into account when you talk about overunity as well so it may only be 99.9% overunity because the initial start took outside force...

This thing is rather interesting though but I am glad you are at the least honest about your system and did not take fishing line and try to influence your arm on the IPMM MAN with a second person creating a hoax. There are far too many trixsters in the energy market today.

I do not gaurentee anything though bud all that I will say is that everyone in this world knows that magnetics is not fully understood and knows that there is some way to create more energy then thermodynamic laws allow the writing is on the wall and has been for some 100 years!

Maybe the answer to the energy crisis is the IPMM MAN, TPU, Warden Cliff Tower Replication, Noblefuse or another nuclear fusion, Ball Lightning, maybe antimatter, LHC, solar research, wind research or a combination of differnt tech.

We must take into account the positives and negatives of all energy generation!

I really appreciate your efforts one must surely perspire on order to inspire!

-infringer-

I have thought of magnetic frictionless contacts, they are more difficult to control but they offer a better chance to catch the reative force in the loop. So indeed i strive to minimize magnetic and mechanical attachment and friction.

Currents curbed by shielding I also consider, but as yet it is not difficult to stay away from that necessity by keeping a certain distance. Shielding certainy may improve the overall functioning. Important point.

Eventually make the thing produce energy is a secondary concern. First issue is to make it self-run, then we will worry about that.

Sure is that if this thing works quite a bag of magnetic tricks have to be employed. I'm not all so sure that I am to one to discover them all. But as a team it might happen. So keep me posted on your inspirations too. Thanks thus far for responding.

AA

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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2008, 03:51:39 PM »
@AnandAadhar: I will wait patiently. I hope you're right. keep up the good work :-)

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2008, 11:57:30 PM »
Any progress on this motor?

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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2008, 11:43:17 AM »
Any progress on this motor?

vidar
I am trying different configurations for the feedback loop now, with springs, magnets, the positioning of the two stators, a third stator next to the second one pushing the 'powerpoint' (the base of the orange moon), the polarity (which determines the direction of spin) and the force of gravity in balancing the system. Many options to be tested. It can take months to conclude to the best mechanical connection, if ever. It took Finsrud years to balance his magnets against gravity. As yet I haven't succeeded in making a decent 'muscle'; a kind of perfect balance between the flexing and the streching of the outer and inner arm, that is sensitive enough to respond to the pulse of the primal stator.  I have the feeling that I am trying to create "Frankenstein's muscle", a mechanical heart ticking to the overunity pulse of the circulation of the cakra. (Live you monster!) But possibly the purely mechanical feedback will never catch the radiant reaction force efficiently enough because of insuffiently stressing the magnetic fields. And then  is a 'by-pass' for this heart with a 'pacemaker' needed, viz. a collector of coils to utilize the energy delivered by the magnetic wheel (a Faraday's) and a capacitor positioned in a timer circuit to drive a solenoid to sustain the 'muscle'-action.  All I know now is: I stepped this far forward, and I won't step back. Only progress is possible!

Fact is that I am not such an enthused tinkerer or electromechanic at all. I could use some help in this open source project. I see it all in my mind, but I am more a theoretical researcher who just has concluded to the possibility and wants to see it done to find closure. Is there any volunteer willing to help me with the engineering and eventual electromechanics of this design around here at this forum? It would be great if we at overunity.com could produce some cooperation of members like STEORN did, but then better, more reliable and replicalbe of course.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2008, 06:20:48 AM »
Hey, MAN, I get very skeptical when the Youtube videos suddenly become unavailable! Also, any proof of magnetic overunity will not be near as complicated as this. The laws of nature are far too simple. The answer is staring us all right in the face, and is stated best by Bob Dylan. Any guesses?

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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2008, 07:00:24 AM »
   Permanent magnets are just a crystal lattice of metal atoms that is manufactured by passing a dc current through the metal as it cools down.
Then the metal is exposed to an electromagnet produced flux generator to fill it up with well magnetic flux. Magnetic flux is just the response of the aether to potential energy distribution.  The ambient magnetic field has to be overcome continously in order for potential energy to be released from mass which is the combination of both energy and antienergy.  There is potential energy in conductors which is easy to extract.  The ambient energy field of the Earth refills the conductor with potential energy.  All that is needed is a magnetic disruption in the field about the conductor and the potential energy is translated.

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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2008, 09:54:50 AM »
Hey, MAN, I get very skeptical when the Youtube videos suddenly become unavailable! Also, any proof of magnetic overunity will not be near as complicated as this. The laws of nature are far too simple. The answer is staring us all right in the face, and is stated best by Bob Dylan. Any guesses?

The YouTubes movies of this machine are available from my page http://nl.youtube.com/user/anandaadhar. They are in fine order.
Yes, Bob Dylan sang: 'the times are changing', also changing our machines into OU machines. If you consider the movement of planets as a proof of natural overunity, the proof is there already. Okay. But if we want to catch that energy in a machine we must make a balance of forces good enough to harness that universal restlessness. And that, as yet, is not as simple as we want. Know that the design 2.0 is the so-called bypass when the mechanical fails. First of all I try for the mechanical version. More simple we can't get than mechanically balancing magnets into OU.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2008, 10:03:49 AM »
   Permanent magnets are just a crystal lattice of metal atoms that is manufactured by passing a dc current through the metal as it cools down.
Then the metal is exposed to an electromagnet produced flux generator to fill it up with well magnetic flux. Magnetic flux is just the response of the aether to potential energy distribution.  The ambient magnetic field has to be overcome continously in order for potential energy to be released from mass which is the combination of both energy and antienergy.  There is potential energy in conductors which is easy to extract.  The ambient energy field of the Earth refills the conductor with potential energy.  All that is needed is a magnetic disruption in the field about the conductor and the potential energy is translated.
As for magnetic motors without coils and wire, are conductors in our case diamagnetic materials. Wesley Gary, a contemporary of Tesla, (see http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm)  used this capacity to make his machine that was in fact the first real magnet motor. He noticed a reverse of the diamagnetic polarity when the materal passed a so-called neutral zone around a (composite) horseshoemagnet. This effect has been poorly understood indeed and has hardly been replicated.  Al francour tried it but couldn't get the thing under control. (see http://keelynet.com/energy/gary2001.htm)  I agree, we should learn more about this.

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« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2008, 11:20:29 AM »
At YouTube http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=pHWgxEFk2_g I have posted a video with an update on the progress with the IPMM cakra spinner. Two designs 2.2 and 3.0 are demonstrated. The electronic suggestion of 2.0 has been abandoned since a fully mechanical OU device was the plan.  I have improved the feedback arm, and the stator arrangement. The stator movement is now circular instead of linear. The jerking and the need to control that has thus been overcome. This was achieved by employing a rotating stator bridge above the rotating disc. The preliminary conclusion is that rotation on rotation is the best way to drive the ipmm to make the overunity free energy experiment a success. No selfrunning status has been achieved yet though. A more carefully engineered balancing of forces, transfer mechanisms, weights, distances and strengths is needed. But there is concept development for what may be hoped to be the reliable, replicable proof of OU for the final sake of a eco-no-money future of free energy for 21th century mankind. Version history added to the video with the design drawings.

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