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Author Topic: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.  (Read 43188 times)

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IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« on: April 09, 2008, 01:58:21 PM »
To all members,
I have posted at YouTube a demonstration of what I am trying to achieve: a proper device which will deliver the definite mechanical proof - without coils and battery - of magnetic overunity. The device works but still needs tuning and maybe some further developing to deliver the definite proof of a selfrunning status.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=N_E822LpKsc
IPMM means Intelligently Pulsed Magnet Motor.
MAN-device stands for Magnetic Alternating Non-device. Non in the sense of not operating on a material impulse from the putside.
My idea is to catch the reaction force of the magnets in a loop. In the design I have now, I presented it with two stators, one a neodymium stave, one a ferrite horse shoe composite, one cakra rotor plate consisting of 8 diallel 'Johnson' moons, and a transmission or translator. The theory is that, as in Bearden's MEG, the stressed magnet field will deliver a replenishing of its field from the vacuum. Once this reaction force is properly addressed must it in a loop deliver a selfrunner. Please offer your comments.
AnandAadhar
My site, with more info: http://theorderoftime.org
YouTube page: http://nl.youtube.com/user/anandaadhar
« Last Edit: April 09, 2008, 03:46:34 PM by AnandAadhar »

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2008, 04:14:18 PM »
@AnandAadhar
Again and again i have to read and make up my mind.
It is because your setup is working in many dimensions.
I dont know what to say  but  Welcome and thanks for sharing with us.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2008, 05:54:09 PM »
Hi AnandAadhar

Its all in the amount of force required for the timing.

One of the best presentations iv seen in a long time.

Thanks
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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2008, 06:57:48 PM »
Hello,

I would like you to try something with your neo on the end of the arm if possible instead of using 1 neo could you use a hallback array of 4 square neo magnets and post results?

Thank You,

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2008, 08:35:53 PM »
Hello,

I would like you to try something with your neo on the end of the arm if possible instead of using 1 neo could you use a hallback array of 4 square neo magnets and post results?

Thank You,

-infringer-

I am going to revise the controller magnets in the translator part anyhow. I have also thought of a linear movement of a stave into a ringmagnet, as an option of acquiring the reactive force in a two-way fashion. I haven't concluded yet as to what would work best, an array as you say or such a linear thing. The translator is essential for raising the Reactve Force on which the machine is upposed to run.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2008, 08:38:31 PM »
@AnandAadhar
Again and again i have to read and make up my mind.
It is because your setup is working in many dimensions.
I dont know what to say  but  Welcome and thanks for sharing with us.

helmut

I am even considering to also appraoch it from the vertical dimension, to close in the reactive force in all three axes of space. It is the space energy after all.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2008, 10:42:56 PM »
@AnandAadhar:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I just wonder why you manually, by your right hand, moves the stator 2 up and down during the test.
The device is somewhat complex, but I cannot see the function of stator 1 except being a load to the stator 2, and vica versa. It seems stator 1 and 2 is perfectly working against each other. The difference is torque vs. distance they move - like a transmission with two gear ratios - same energy but different speed and torque, if you know what i mean.
The spinning disc, with the magnets on it, I cannot see the benifits of that particular shape, as magnetism allways finds a way to equalize the N and S poles. I mean that S and N in a magnet is allways equal. Hence, you cannot use one pole without being affected by the other pole.
Please explain further your thoughts.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2008, 11:41:48 PM »
There are methods of shielding the affect of one side of the magnet is there not possibly coper sheeting made into a half of a box blocking the effect of one side and all the way around the other side....

I aint the super guru or nothing but I would assume it is possible to block the effect on one pole without effecting the other.

Anyhow good effort with the IPMM MAN once again.

ponder this:

A disc elevated able to spin with bearing as it spins it brings up 4 neo's at 90 degree intervals right on time having the proper sides shielded .....

Look at the build of a sterling engine to better get the picture but at the proper time they will meet opposite poles and push and as it pushes the retract back down then up like a piston....

Why not even ponder using sterling engine to possibly make up for the sticky spots in magnetic motors by using the heat generated from spin and friction I am sure its possible!

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2008, 12:34:29 PM »
@AnandAadhar:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I just wonder why you manually, by your right hand, moves the stator 2 up and down during the test.
The device is somewhat complex, but I cannot see the function of stator 1 except being a load to the stator 2, and vica versa. It seems stator 1 and 2 is perfectly working against each other. The difference is torque vs. distance they move - like a transmission with two gear ratios - same energy but different speed and torque, if you know what i mean.
The spinning disc, with the magnets on it, I cannot see the benifits of that particular shape, as magnetism allways finds a way to equalize the N and S poles. I mean that S and N in a magnet is allways equal. Hence, you cannot use one pole without being affected by the other pole.
Please explain further your thoughts.

Cheers

Vidar

The stator of the first arm (in the middle under the orange tape)  is positioned right in the center of the disc which spinning itself out of the influence of that neo will deliver a back and forward movement of the arm because of the disc its polarity (black/white + & orange -). I demonstrate that setup in my other videos at Youtube. The point was to make a loop: the first stator moves the disc which drives the arm back and forth as a kind of back-emf, that movement makes the lever flip and moves the second arm which drives the cakra then again from the outside and thus the process can repeat itself endlessly on the condition that there is enough reaction force from the magnet fields being stressed in the loop. The setup needs to pressure the magnets in such a way that they escaping from it will deliver a constant imbalance. The diallel galaxy-like organization of the disc is essential, it won't properly spin on as well an inside as an outside stator impuls without.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2008, 12:44:16 PM »
There are methods of shielding the affect of one side of the magnet is there not possibly coper sheeting made into a half of a box blocking the effect of one side and all the way around the other side....

I aint the super guru or nothing but I would assume it is possible to block the effect on one pole without effecting the other.

Anyhow good effort with the IPMM MAN once again.

ponder this:

A disc elevated able to spin with bearing as it spins it brings up 4 neo's at 90 degree intervals right on time having the proper sides shielded .....

Look at the build of a sterling engine to better get the picture but at the proper time they will meet opposite poles and push and as it pushes the retract back down then up like a piston....

Why not even ponder using sterling engine to possibly make up for the sticky spots in magnetic motors by using the heat generated from spin and friction I am sure its possible!

The essence of this machine is to alternate the polarities with the two stator movements up en down en back and forward, so that the sticky point is smoothly evaded by the spin of the cakra. Shielding I have found not necessary in this set-up as yet. But maybe in some respect of the evolution of this machine it will surface, that is very well possible... Harnessing heat sterling-wise is not directly the purely magnetic proof we are after. There will rather be cooling than heating once we suck the gravitons. The overunity is supposed to defeat the friction. But maybe that what you suggest proves the setup right in the end, that might very well be so.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2008, 12:47:11 PM »
Hi AnandAadhar

Its all in the amount of force required for the timing.

One of the best presentations iv seen in a long time.

Thanks
pc
 


I agree, timing is the essence of putting the forces at work for us.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2008, 06:47:05 PM »
@AnandAadhar:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I just wonder why you manually, by your right hand, moves the stator 2 up and down during the test.
The device is somewhat complex, but I cannot see the function of stator 1 except being a load to the stator 2, and vica versa. It seems stator 1 and 2 is perfectly working against each other. The difference is torque vs. distance they move - like a transmission with two gear ratios - same energy but different speed and torque, if you know what i mean.
The spinning disc, with the magnets on it, I cannot see the benifits of that particular shape, as magnetism allways finds a way to equalize the N and S poles. I mean that S and N in a magnet is allways equal. Hence, you cannot use one pole without being affected by the other pole.
Please explain further your thoughts.

Cheers

Vidar

The stator of the first arm (in the middle under the orange tape)  is positioned right in the center of the disc which spinning itself out of the influence of that neo will deliver a back and forward movement of the arm because of the disc its polarity (black/white + & orange -). I demonstrate that setup in my other videos at Youtube. The point was to make a loop: the first stator moves the disc which drives the arm back and forth as a kind of back-emf, that movement makes the lever flip and moves the second arm which drives the cakra then again from the outside and thus the process can repeat itself endlessly on the condition that there is enough reaction force from the magnet fields being stressed in the loop. The setup needs to pressure the magnets in such a way that they escaping from it will deliver a constant imbalance. The diallel galaxy-like organization of the disc is essential, it won't properly spin on as well an inside as an outside stator impuls without.
I just simplify this:

1. The arm will move left and right due to magnetic influence of a rotating magnet - the galaxy-disc.
2. This movement will influence on a second arm, via mechanics/transmission, in order to lift it when the disc is positioned in a manner that influence the second arm.
3. The procedure will repeat for each revolution of the disc.

What happens here?
My guess:
When the galaxy-disc influence the first arm, it will first face a counterforce, then an equal forward force. Gravity of the second arm will provide another counterforce via the transmission. The sum is negative.

When the second arm falls back, it will via the transmission, influence on the first arm, which now will again move in one direction + the magnetism from the galaxy disc. The sum is positive.

Since both arms are linked via the same transmission system, they alone will in sum be a "dead" mechanism which will not apply energy to the system, as you sum up force and counterforce. So left you have the galaxy-disc. Without applied force from the arms, via magnetism, the disc will not be able to do work.

The galaxy-disc are the energy "carrier" that applies energy to the arms in order to make them move in an approperiate manner. The very same energy, but with opposite sign is by the arms making the galaxy disc to a stop.

What is the problem?
The problem is that the energy applied from the disc, is perfectly counterforced by the required energy from the arms. To make this disc spinning by its own, is as I applied, by moving the arms out of sync, or out of phase of the system - but at a constant degree of phase difference. To do this, you must apply energy from a third energy source, from the outside - your hand.

I think you are blowing on your own sails, but keep working on this, and tune it up to the maximum. You know this machine better than me, so there is for sure several details I have overlooked.

Br.

Vidar

When this arm

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2008, 07:29:24 PM »
@AnandAadhar:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I just wonder why you manually, by your right hand, moves the stator 2 up and down during the test.
The device is somewhat complex, but I cannot see the function of stator 1 except being a load to the stator 2, and vica versa. It seems stator 1 and 2 is perfectly working against each other. The difference is torque vs. distance they move - like a transmission with two gear ratios - same energy but different speed and torque, if you know what i mean.
The spinning disc, with the magnets on it, I cannot see the benifits of that particular shape, as magnetism allways finds a way to equalize the N and S poles. I mean that S and N in a magnet is allways equal. Hence, you cannot use one pole without being affected by the other pole.
Please explain further your thoughts.

Cheers

Vidar

The stator of the first arm (in the middle under the orange tape)  is positioned right in the center of the disc which spinning itself out of the influence of that neo will deliver a back and forward movement of the arm because of the disc its polarity (black/white + & orange -). I demonstrate that setup in my other videos at Youtube. The point was to make a loop: the first stator moves the disc which drives the arm back and forth as a kind of back-emf, that movement makes the lever flip and moves the second arm which drives the cakra then again from the outside and thus the process can repeat itself endlessly on the condition that there is enough reaction force from the magnet fields being stressed in the loop. The setup needs to pressure the magnets in such a way that they escaping from it will deliver a constant imbalance. The diallel galaxy-like organization of the disc is essential, it won't properly spin on as well an inside as an outside stator impuls without.
I just simplify this:

1. The arm will move left and right due to magnetic influence of a rotating magnet - the galaxy-disc.
2. This movement will influence on a second arm, via mechanics/transmission, in order to lift it when the disc is positioned in a manner that influence the second arm.
3. The procedure will repeat for each revolution of the disc.

What happens here?
My guess:
When the galaxy-disc influence the first arm, it will first face a counterforce, then an equal forward force. Gravity of the second arm will provide another counterforce via the transmission. The sum is negative.

When the second arm falls back, it will via the transmission, influence on the first arm, which now will again move in one direction + the magnetism from the galaxy disc. The sum is positive.

Since both arms are linked via the same transmission system, they alone will in sum be a "dead" mechanism which will not apply energy to the system, as you sum up force and counterforce. So left you have the galaxy-disc. Without applied force from the arms, via magnetism, the disc will not be able to do work.

The galaxy-disc are the energy "carrier" that applies energy to the arms in order to make them move in an approperiate manner. The very same energy, but with opposite sign is by the arms making the galaxy disc to a stop.

What is the problem?
The problem is that the energy applied from the disc, is perfectly counterforced by the required energy from the arms. To make this disc spinning by its own, is as I applied, by moving the arms out of sync, or out of phase of the system - but at a constant degree of phase difference. To do this, you must apply energy from a third energy source, from the outside - your hand.

I think you are blowing on your own sails, but keep working on this, and tune it up to the maximum. You know this machine better than me, so there is for sure several details I have overlooked.

Br.

Vidar

When this arm

If the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.

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Re: IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2008, 12:21:03 PM »
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If the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.
You need a constant unbalanced system. Nature have that bad habbit that it want to get everything in balance. In such condition is how for example an electric motors works. There is an unbalance between the energy source and the motor. As long the nature force these two in balance, the motor will run. When the energy source is at the same level as the energy in the motor, the motor will stop. Energy is relative, so two objects charged with the same amount of energy, will not do work. However, if those two objects was unevenly charged with energy, the least charged will "steal" energy from the most charged object, and as long this takes place, work is done. As there is a mass in the equation, this energy transportation will take time, but finally the energy difference is zero, then there is not work to be done.
This will also happen in your device. It consumes energy to make energy difference - disequilibrium, and that is done by using your hand to manually influence the system. Removing your hand, will most probably make the system to halt. I might overseen something, but this is as far I understand your system, and how it works.

Br.

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If the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.
You need a constant unbalanced system. Nature have that bad habbit that it want to get everything in balance. In such condition is how for example an electric motors works. There is an unbalance between the energy source and the motor. As long the nature force these two in balance, the motor will run. When the energy source is at the same level as the energy in the motor, the motor will stop. Energy is relative, so two objects charged with the same amount of energy, will not do work. However, if those two objects was unevenly charged with energy, the least charged will "steal" energy from the most charged object, and as long this takes place, work is done. As there is a mass in the equation, this energy transportation will take time, but finally the energy difference is zero, then there is not work to be done.
This will also happen in your device. It consumes energy to make energy difference - disequilibrium, and that is done by using your hand to manually influence the system. Removing your hand, will most probably make the system to halt. I might overseen something, but this is as far I understand your system, and how it works.

Br.

Vidar

Until the hand is removed that is so indeed. The purpose of the quest is to remove the hand and have it replaced by the reaction force trapped in the loop. Three forces of space energy are at play in its three dimensional different directions. When these are properly balanced, the fourth dimension of time is the only way to go for the energy inherent to the universe that is running through the magnets' poles: hence the Reaction Force is driven by time essentially. The point of these type of machines is that, if they work, they work BECAUSE there is a broken symmetry in the universe. The universe is moving because it wants to return to the original singularity. Normally the universe outsmarts us with our machined efforts by arresting our invitation to work for us on the account of the inertia of friction and poor balancing. The question thus is: can we be as smart as the universe? Can we create indeed such a challenge of forces and balance, in miniature comprehending the universal basics with the paradigm reflected in the machine, that the universe proves itself restless? This is the crude outline set-up for it to test this. Remember R. Finsrud already proved such a balance is possible. T. Bearden proved that the reaction force of stressed magnet fields is replenishing them from the vacuum and Bedini proved the electromechanics of the negative energy. So in fact it is all proven on all three levels of proof already, we are just too faithless, lazy and clumsy to follow consequently.

 

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