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Offline triffid

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Re: can any of you answer this?
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2008, 01:18:43 PM »
I agree that electrons have a wave nature too.Things get fuzzy now.But I still think of light and electrons as being two different things.Photons(light) raises electrons to higher orbits in their electron shells around an atom(when an atom absorbs a photon).When an electron falls to a lower energy shell it emits a photon(light) which can be measured.So light in and then light out.triffid

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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2008, 03:22:04 PM »
Under standard model physics light and electricity are different manifestations of the same phenomena. The fundamental unit of light is a defined energy quantity called the Photon. The fundamental unit of electricity is the electron, also a defined energy quantity. The charge density or available energy quantity of the photon and electron are equal to each other. The difference is that the photon is defined as having no mass while the electron as a specifically defined mass. For instance in a solar cell the impact of one photon changes the energy state of an electron in orbit around an atomic nucleus by one quantum charge unit removing it from the atom so it is free to move in a defined circuit path. The relative mass of the two particles is defined by a combination of inherent frequency and energy density. So the photon is at a much higher frequency state than the electron. The mathematics that define this are highly refined under the theories of general and special relativity and quantum dynamics. The well established experimental values that underline all electrical and electronic engineering equations are accurate to approximately 10 decimal places. This picture is however incomplete and inaccurate under some circumstances. For instance photons do have a very small mass because they are subject to gravity. When light passes close to a supermassive object like a star, its path and polarity change.

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Re: can any of you answer this?
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2008, 04:51:10 PM »
could gravity be magnetism?

big magnet = higher gravity?

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Offline triffid

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Re: can any of you answer this?
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2008, 08:38:18 PM »
Yes the gravity of a star can bend the path of light. How much mass is it said to have?Per photon?triffid

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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2008, 08:43:27 PM »
My physics is about 30 years old.I only took one year in college.Second year was way beyond me.
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Offline redriderno22

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Re: can any of you answer this?
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2008, 09:57:51 PM »
think about it

in our solar system all the planets orbit on about the same plane in relation to the sun.

are they folowing a neutral magnetic plane?

I know the poles of the sun switch from time to time

But it would be to quick to effect anything unless it only went half way

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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2008, 06:34:53 AM »
could gravity be magnetism?
big magnet = higher gravity?
think about it
in our solar system all the planets orbit on about the same plane in relation to the sun.
are they folowing a neutral magnetic plane?
I know the poles of the sun switch from time to time
But it would be to quick to effect anything unless it only went half way

Magnetism and gravity are both distortions in the fabric of spacetime.
Gravity arises from the "global" curvature induced by the presence of mass, and magnetism arises from its spin-topology.

The aggregation of planetary bodies in a disk around a star is similar to magnetism, in that it is an effect of rotation.  Magnetism may play a (small) part in this phenomenon, but  but confusing common magnetism with the kind of gravity that makes the apple fall is, well... confusing.

Writ large, however, we can see that all "forces" are made out of the same underlying cloth -- namely, the scintillating geometry of spacetime.

Electromagnetic models of astrophysical phenomena like galaxies have met with some success.  Plasma cosmology is emerging as a brilliant new direction in theoretical physics.  Check out "The Electric Universe"; it is quite compelling.



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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2008, 06:42:44 AM »
Electromagnetic models of astrophysical phenomena like galaxies have met with some success.  Plasma cosmology is emerging as a brilliant new direction in theoretical physics.  Check out "The Electric Universe"; it is quite compelling.

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Edit:  (they get it wrong about relativity, btw, as electromagnetism is fundamentally related to gravity via relativity as I have explained above.)
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Re: can any of you answer this?
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2008, 09:38:25 AM »
Light and electrons are totally apples and oranges!

Light is a form of energy and electrons are particles inside the matter!
Electricity is also a funny word! It composes of many definations such as electrical current, electrical potential difference, electrical charges etc. Now electrons movement is caused by electrical potential difference between two poles and this movement is called electric current. This current carries electrical energy! And all this combined is called electricity!
Similarly light is the form of energy. It is not matter. Energy can be converted into matter following famous E = mc ^ 2 principle. So you can convert a matter which is composed of electrons and neutrons and protons etc. in to pure energy. nuclear power plants use this to produce electric form of energy from matter.

Hope I am of some help!  ::)

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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2008, 11:50:09 AM »
could gravity be magnetism?

big magnet = higher gravity?

No. Magnetism is not equal to gravity. Both forces are attraction forces but magnetism works only with other magntic material i.e. a material capable of rearranging its polarity e.g iron. Vice versa Gravity attracts all type of materials to itself.

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Re: can any of you answer this?
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2008, 11:10:35 PM »
i dont understand why?

everything has something in it that can have its polarity rearranged?

doesn't every atom have an electron shell? that would have a polarity?

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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2008, 11:22:01 AM »
i dont understand why?

everything has something in it that can have its polarity rearranged?

doesn't every atom have an electron shell? that would have a polarity?


Yes exactly! Even they do have same compostion as a matter every where, they do not have "magentism" property in them! Thats why they can not rearrange their polarity. It is a property of only few metals and thats why they are used in magentism!
Every matter though same, it is a nature of its molecules which makes every substance different from each other!

Offline redriderno22

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Re: can any of you answer this?
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2008, 01:47:19 AM »
but what if the earth did not have a iron nickel core?

with the same mass

and less of a magnetic field?

hard to prove!

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Re: can any of you answer this?
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2008, 01:58:11 AM »
all good ideas!

but it has to be more simple

one common thing that ties it all together

light,electricity,magnetism,gravity,heat, cold.............

what that is????

who knows?

I'm sure many people have given theory's?



'Particle Wave Physics'   It's not simple. Here is one site of many thousands. I misspoke earlier about theory -
It's an entire science obviously loaded with infinite theory.

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Physics-Particle-Wave-Duality-Paradox.htm
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