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Author Topic: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'  (Read 144509 times)

nul-points

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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #60 on: May 31, 2008, 06:34:18 AM »
LOL @ "hi hello"  -  bonsoir Mr Dishual

so .... the entire output of the English automobile industry was bought up by just 3 gentlemen from France, eh?  ;D

in their time, they were all cool cars - still classics now - i think many countries used to make quality items, but not so much now, perhaps

...and the seagull outboard - what a legionnaire! - you have to admire a company who admit their product is so noisy by actually advising in their user manual that you be careful not to talk about people in other boats nearby because you won't be able to hear them but they'll be able to hearing you shouting to each other over the noise of the engine :)

i don't know if Archer produced arrows - but i'm sure they could have supplied you with some diodes which had point-contacts!

maybe you could tape many small ferrites together to make one big fat one? actually, that would be an interesting experiment sometime...

i'm happy to help with sourcing the difficult-to-get parts if i can - i'm thinking that maybe the postage & import tax will cost more than the parts themselves?  perhaps we can do an exchange - i'll send you some parts & you can send me an Alan Stivell CD?  ;D

a bientot
sandy
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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #61 on: May 31, 2008, 07:46:08 PM »
Bonsoir Sandy

The noise of the Seagull outboard motor. LOL!

Alan Stivell. OK. Do you know Denez Pigent?

The postage tax are sometimes not so huge.
I already have purchased some things from USA.
Notably a very nice and efficient Stirling Engine.

(http://www.stirlingengine.com/graphics/mm7_handslg.jpg)

I will send soon you a personal email.
This evening I'm "snowed under" (according to my dictionary!),
However the weather if fine here in Brittany . ;D

Cordialement,

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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #62 on: May 31, 2008, 10:36:16 PM »
interesting update on the cap self-recharge effect....

i just checked the circuit after being on vacation for 7 days

after the last test run (Sat 17 May) i discharged the output cap to 0V tho' Rload and then shorted the cap for a few seconds and when i left, after about an hour, it's voltage had risen from 0V to 0.29V

the circuit has been disconnected from the input cap and any test-gear for 7 days - but on checking the output cap this morning, the voltage is at 0.64V

(if this isn't evidence of 'capacitive inertia' i want to know what is!)

Hi Sandy,

Have you noticed this letter here? http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4124.msg101296.html#msg101296
User zaydana also experienced electrolytic  capacitor self-recharge effect...

@NerzhDishual  you have got a very nice piece of Stirling engine! Maybe it is able to work with a few degree of temperature difference?

Cheers,  Gyula

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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #63 on: June 01, 2008, 01:23:07 AM »
@NerzhDishual
that's one neat machine!  did you buy it to replace the seagull?!?   ;D

seriously, i'd be interested to hear about any experiments you have planned for it

no, i hadn't heard of Denez Pigent (Prigent?) before - did he fall out of another Breton tree? i found a YouTube song "Son Alma Ata" of his - nice fusion of traditional melody & modern rhythm

the Celtic music certainly stirs my blood - i guess being 1/4 Scottish helps!

look forward to hearing from you when the snow clears  :)


@Gyulasun
thanks for the link, interesting to read of other reports of the self-recharge - i also found an old 1920s (i think) paper about 'condenser re-charge' using Rochelle salts as dielectric - so the effect has quite a history

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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #64 on: June 03, 2008, 03:05:51 AM »

Hello Nul-Points,

I have received my expensive one Farad/5 Volts caps and other stuffs.
For the moment I'm playing with my Dallas_Gold_Bug electrodes.
So, the snow is no still so clear 4 me "switched-cap-wise".  :)

Yes, this Stirling Engine is very silent but of any help in any rowing boat. :)
Actually, I do not use it. I sometimes buy things only because they are good-looking,
nice and charming (paintings for example). :P

I however managed to have it slowly running with a glass fulled of few ice cubes
on his top. I'm wondering if Sadi Carnot were OK  ???

This Denez Prigent music is sometimes weird, sad and the lyrics full of
'funereal' stories. He is a real Breton! Yes, he should have fallen from some 
bewitched hanged men Breton tree.

As a matter of fact being 1/4 Scottish helps when listening this music.
BTW: as I can see you have carefully gone through my web site...

I will send you a CD of Denez. (Whois is indiscreet).  ;)

Very Best

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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #65 on: June 03, 2008, 04:54:29 AM »
@NerzhDishual

bonsoir mon ami

> I have received my expensive one Farad/5 Volts caps and other stuffs. For the moment I'm playing with my Dallas_Gold_Bug electrodes. So, the snow is no still so clear 4 me 'switched-cap-wise'
- i'm pleased to hear that your 'less-than-free' energy components have arrived; i hope we can amplify their value soon and give you some return on your investment!

i am thinking that i will do some tests with converting my existing CirCuiT to use opto-isolating switches in preparation for the new developments i mentioned in my recent email this weekend (i hope you received it ok? let me know if not)

if i can get the circuit operating with the same results using opto-isolation then i'm pretty confident to move on to the next phase of experiments

i'll be busy with this for a few days - so, no need to stop the winter sports yet - enjoy!


> Yes, this Stirling Engine is very silent but of any help in any rowing boat. I however managed to have it slowly running with a glass fulled of few ice cubes
- i was wondering - how feasible would it be to close the loop using one? how much heat would you need to be able to generate from using a small DC motor as generator with a heater as load?

a homopolar generator is supposed not to load the source!  i have some ideas on this - maybe we can discuss sometime?

...but don't sell the oars from your rowing boat yet!  ;)


> I sometimes buy things only because they are good-looking
 - that is usually the ONLY reason i buy something  ;D

> This Denez Prigent music is sometimes weird, sad and the lyrics full of
'funereal' stories. He is a real Breton!

- weird, sad & funereal? yes, that would be why i liked it then!  early Pink Floyd is also a favourite


> as I can see you have carefully gone through my web site...
- aha - i forgot you are a computeriste!   ;)


> I will send you a CD of Denez
- that is very kind - but it must be an exchange for a consignment of ferrite and germanium!
(Whois the daddy?!)

did you know that the vocalist in Swampfish il parle Francais?  i feel some Breton Blues coming on!!

cordialement
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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #66 on: June 04, 2008, 06:37:13 PM »
you  should get you hands on this paper:
P.T. Pappas, Energy Creation in Electrical Sparks and Discharges : Theory and Direct Experimental Evidence

Pappas' website:
http://www.papimi.gr/

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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #67 on: June 06, 2008, 01:30:54 AM »
hi alan

thanks for the info on pappas - i had quite an extensive trawl of his site  - i haven't find the paper you mentioned yet but there's some fascinating work detailed there

all the best
sandy

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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #68 on: June 06, 2008, 01:05:36 PM »
Also couldnt find it anywhere, maybe he'll send it if you contact him.

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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #69 on: June 06, 2008, 02:24:23 PM »
hi alan

June 04 > you  should get you hands on this paper: P.T. Pappas, Energy Creation in Electrical Sparks and Discharges....

June 06 > Also couldnt find it anywhere, maybe he'll send it if you contact him

ah, ok - i misunderstood - i thought you were recommending it because you'd read it & decided it was relevant to my experiment!  :)

all the best
sandy

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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #70 on: June 06, 2008, 03:16:43 PM »
My apology for the confusion :)
I think the paper is relevant because of its title and it is mentioned in some books like beardens and moray's (I thought).
I requested the paper and he said I should contact him by phone,but I didn't.

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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #71 on: June 06, 2008, 04:15:46 PM »
"Energy Creation in Electrical Sparks and Discharges".... thats an interesting topic I had some thoughts on recently. A man named Victor Schauberger once said---- We should always consider things in there opposite sense as well. In this case we could say a high potential ionizing force(energy) has jumped the gap between two wires ------ Or we could say a high potential ionizing force simply manifested the energy that was always present in latent form within a space between two wires. I think it's important to remember that Tesla, Moray,Shappeller and others considered an electric current and heat to be the "lowest" forms of energy and unfortunately these are the only forms of energy we presently understand and use to perform work.

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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #72 on: June 07, 2008, 10:35:23 PM »
hi allcanadian

if these ideas of electrical 'inertia', due to the characteristics of the aether/vacuum medium, mentioned above, are correct then i would see electric discharges/sparks as the logical outcome of over-stressing the medium

in the case where we setup an electric 'dipole' using our own wires & electric charge, the aether responds by deforming it's 'crystal lattice' type energy structure to flow around the wires (read 'wave-guides') and diverge a little of it's energy into our circuit

break the circuit and, if the conditions are right (eg aether power temporarily stored thro' component operation, like inductance, etc), the 'inertia' characteristic of the aether will try & keep the energy flowing - when the 'wave-guide' (our wire) is broken then the aether is able to sustain the energy flow, whilst the dipole still exists, by creating its own 'wave-guide' thro' air, space, etc

this aether-created 'wave-guide'/replacement for wire is what we call a spark or electrical discharge

it can also happen in the case of stressing the medium with an electrical dipole without prior wire connection - the stress is large enough for the aether to form its own 'wave-guide' across the nearest points with greatest stress

perhaps the best-recognised natural example of this is the lightning-strike - a 'thread' of aether 'wave-guide' grows from an earth-point, up thro' the sky to a storm cloud and then, when the 'connection' is complete, there is a massive discharge of current back down the 'wave-guide' from the sky to the ground

i would say that the first type above is 'inertia' induced - caused by a rapid discontinuity of an existing man-made 'connection' where energy is already flowing - and the second type results from the massive stress itself creating a dipole directly into the structure of the aether 'crystal lattice'

...thinks, i wonder if any of this is actually making sense?
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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #73 on: June 12, 2008, 06:38:13 PM »
Hello Sandy,

I found this in a bearden paper:

[2]  For proof that you can charge an ordinary capacitor almost without
entropy, see I. Fundaun, C. Reese, and H. H. Soonpaa, "Charging a Capacitor,"
_American Journal of Physics_, 60(11), pp. 1047-1048 (1992).  A capacitor can
be step-charged in small steps to dramatically reduce the entropy required to
charge it.  In the limit, a theoretically perfect capacitor can be fully
charged without any electrical current or work at all, i.e., you can simply
transport the excess energy density (the potential gradient) of the open
circuit voltage of the source to the collector, and couple that {del-phi} to
the electrons trapped in the capacitor plates, without electric current from
or through the source.


Now where to find this research paper?

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Re: OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'
« Reply #74 on: June 12, 2008, 11:58:25 PM »
hi Alan,

Here is link to the American Journal of Physics but can be received by paying for it.
http://www.kzoo.edu/ajp/online.html   
I think it is worth visiting a local university or college library and ask for a copy of the article even via inter-library service.

What I understand by step charge referred to by Bearden, this method may reduce the inrush current into a capacitor when you start charging it the usual way but I am doubtful on a possible "free lunch" from the proposed process.  Of course, reading the full article would be the best to judge the benefit of step charging.

Re.  on  P.T. Pappas, Energy Creation in Electrical Sparks and Discharges,  here is a link but also involves money to get it, unfortunately: http://www.theriac.org/riacapps/library/?found=26420-368    In this case it seems also the best to turn to a library service.

rgds,  Gyula