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Offline Dgraphic911

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Re: My Bessler Quest
« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2008, 02:39:03 PM »
p-motion
 Do you know anyone that lifts weights ? If so, maybe you could borrow a couple of weights from them ?
 I think the weights you are using are to lite. In our terms, your over balance has less than 3 ounces of force. That is not much to be working with.


Are you saying i need to excersise?  ;D
Please show me your 3 ounce calculation, I am using 2" lead weights on a 2 foot wheel. On besslers 12 foor wheel the weight on this scale would be over a foot round corcle of lead, Have you any clue how heavy that would be, on a scale  model lead woule be the heaviest medium that you could possibly use, i'm sure my weights are to big if anything.

700 grams, overweight by 10%, would be 70 grams, is that 3 ounces ? Please tell me, i am not good at math,.

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Re: My Bessler Quest
« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2008, 06:15:19 PM »
If the proportions remain the same the scale shouldn't matter. In other words a leverage differential of 1:10 is no different than a leverage differential of 10:100. The same principle applies to the mass of the weights. No matter what their mass is the ammount of torque they will produce will be the same because in either case the leverage differential is the same.

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Re: My Bessler Quest
« Reply #47 on: April 11, 2008, 03:03:38 PM »
One thing about the wheel. It is solid. If you have 70 grams of net force and 1400 grams of weight, that is a 20:1 ratio. The wood for the wheel could make it 40:1.


Statements like that confuse me, how is the wheel an issue, the wheel weighs 700 grams also :)


But the same experiments as you say can be carried out on a board,( al balance beam in my case) and i believe they show the same result, the Weight of the wheel is a non issue , a 1 gram weight or a 700 gram weight out of balance by 10% shows the same resulting positioning and rest areas with different mechs.


P-motion, when you visit your friend/family that has some scrap wood for you to manipulate please let me know the reuslts of your Experiment.


@alex

My positive thoughts are with you this wekend as you try your new idea that came to you in the middle of the night, can't wait to hear what happened.

D

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Offline FatBird

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Re: My Bessler Quest
« Reply #48 on: April 11, 2008, 03:32:15 PM »
I found this old Free Energy Indian Wheel on the Peswiki site.  It said that grooves were cut out into the wood for small weights (small round stones?) to slide back & forth as the Wheel revolved.

I am not an expert, but couldn't a person attach lengths of Plastic Pipe, half filled with Water, to a Wood Wheel?  These lengths of Plastic Pipe would be attached right where the photo shows the old grooves.

Of course, the ends of each pipe would be sealed with plastic caps to keep the water in.

Plus, it seems like the OUTPUT could be DOUBLED by placing a Second Set of Pipes on the Back Side of the Wood in Identical Positions.

Comments welcome.

« Last Edit: April 13, 2008, 03:04:33 AM by FatBird »

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Re: My Bessler Quest
« Reply #49 on: April 11, 2008, 11:36:02 PM »
One thing about the wheel. It is solid. If you have 70 grams of net force and 1400 grams of weight, that is a 20:1 ratio. The wood for the wheel could make it 40:1.


Statements like that confuse me, how is the wheel an issue, the wheel weighs 700 grams also :)


But the same experiments as you say can be carried out on a board,( al balance beam in my case) and i believe they show the same result, the Weight of the wheel is a non issue , a 1 gram weight or a 700 gram weight out of balance by 10% shows the same resulting positioning and rest areas with different mechs.


P-motion, when you visit your friend/family that has some scrap wood for you to manipulate please let me know the reuslts of your Experiment.


@alex

My positive thoughts are with you this wekend as you try your new idea that came to you in the middle of the night, can't wait to hear what happened.

D

Thanks for your interest :)

I have indeed nearly built it, this is what I have learned from my wheel.

Perpetual Motion Rules

These rules are what I have learned in designing perpetual motion wheels, my wheel does all of these.


A weight cannot be attached to a wheel.
Even though rolling weights may not be attached to a wheel, they may as well be as they keep a constant pressure on the wheel.

A weight must rise on the ascending side
of a wheel without putting its pressure on the wheel.

A light weight must raise a heavy weight
to the top of a wheel, then the heavy weight can take over.

Everything must revolve around with the wheel,
Nothing must stop.

Weights must act in pairs
through the use of an overbalanced arrangement.

Simplicity
is the key to a working wheel, if a wheel involves a complicated mechanism, then the wheel will just become more heavy.

A weight must push up
on the ascending side of a wheel.

A weight must rest
on the descending side of a wheel.

Heavy weights cannot be used to lift the prime weights
in order to turn the wheel, as the heavy weights make the prime weights obsolete.

But my wheel has encounted one problem which I am trying to fix at the moment, once its built, I will post a video of it, hopfully running...

Its so simple, you could make this in a hour or even less, but me, I have taken my time so I don?t make any mistakes, but I will just say this, I am not going to claim that it works until I have made it because one cannot be to sure if it really works until it has been built?

Alex

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Re: My Bessler Quest
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Offline Alexioco

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Re: My Bessler Quest
« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2008, 01:39:48 AM »
Yeah, I just use those guidlines if i am working on wheel like the one I have started now, I wouldnt say they apply to everything, but quite alot of wheels IMHO

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Re: My Bessler Quest
« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2008, 03:09:25 AM »
Ralph, I am not sure of the history of that old Indian Wheel.  Sorry.


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Offline Dgraphic911

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Re: My Bessler Quest
« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2008, 02:35:36 PM »
Hi guys -

First let me say that a computer simulation using the accepted notion of a fixed weight for objects will never predict a working Bessler wheel.


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Re: My Bessler Quest
« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2011, 04:51:44 AM »
Sorry, it was nothing more than a grandfather clock system, using weights and pulley's. bessler was a clock maker if anything.

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Re: My Bessler Quest
« Reply #54 on: April 17, 2011, 07:09:11 AM »
why do you guys think of a wheel....? THINK OF A SHAFT BEING THE CENTER.........the idea is to move a shaft by offset weights in a concentric circle it will not happen if you keep things in center  and why do you need a wheel .... you need a spinning shaft..........think of a teeter totter .....it works ,.....just more weight on the gravity side than the lifting side ....get it ...I am going to post a idea ...........lol ......more weight on the gravity side than the lift side ......... the ideal concept would be for linear bearings with a .010 play no resistance ......and rollers on the ends of the rods ............ the idea is that the rods float freely through the center now look at the basic diagram and THINK.. how cheaply could you do this at home



in the basic dia i am showing  a shift in rod weight loose the circle think center..... think egg .....look at one in the long horizontal position .....Why am i giving this away............I got better...... now the pick is rough but smart people will get it

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Re: My Bessler Quest
« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2011, 09:50:00 AM »
Hi Protech once I posted an offset shaft but don't know if it works. When put in practise it's a different story.  :-[
Thanks to share.

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Re: My Bessler Quest
« Reply #56 on: November 14, 2011, 08:51:32 AM »
Hi all,

the attached does NOT show a working gravity wheel, but maybe the mechanism is interesting to some of you. I am trying to develop it further.

The blue cogwheel can not turn freely but is mounted using a ratchet or freewheel clutch.

You will need phantasy and/or the software "Working Model 2D" also known as "wm2d" to see the interaction of the parts.

The software is available as a torrent.
I have attached the zipped .wm2d model file.

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« Reply #57 on: January 09, 2012, 07:46:54 AM »
The depicted mechanism will raise its center of gravity (during the first phase of the movement).

While doing so, the relative position of the three driving weights will change. Then those three weights will automatically reset to their original relative positions - not to the original absolute (start) position, unfortunately.
wm2d-file is attached.

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« Reply #58 on: February 03, 2013, 02:34:28 PM »
I tried for a long time to make everything revolve around a common axis.
I gave up on that but came across a principle which should help us to build a gravity powered motor.

I saw the following:
Some weights (black weights in attached image and video) need to be raised AGAINST the direction of rotation of the main assembly.
Please compare the two simulated assemblies in the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwwZjHfA77w

Both parts of the video show the same mechanism and same weights, the only difference being that freewheel clutches are used in part 2.
These "ratchets" block the swing of the three pendulums.
Consequently the pendulums with the black weights act as "propellers".

The propulsion effect shown in the video is very weak.

In order to increase the propulsive force, heavier black weights need to be raised without need for more energy.

How this can be done?
Well, technically the black weights in the simulated mechanism are LIFTED BY LEVERS.
The teachings of "classical mechanics" say, that when weights are ROLLED UP A RAMP, they can be transported to greater height, with the same amount of force.

Note: there is no copyright regarding the video or the mechanical principle.
Whoever likes the video may feel free to download it using keepvid.com or a similar service and/or upload it to their own channels.

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Re: My Bessler Quest
« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2013, 08:55:36 PM »
I have not read this entire thread, but it looks like the last few pictures are interesting.
 
The concept of a gravity wheel seems a bit impossible to me except it's one of those things you just can't leave alone.
Having said that, I believe I found the answer to a working wheel!
 
I don't mean one that has nearly balanced operation, but one that would produce real horsepower.
There is a combination of two systems that allow for a real working Bessler Wheel, if he indeed had one.
Here is the link where I try to describe this system. Once you understand it's operation, you will see how easy it is!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIE2Ea45dD4&feature=youtu.be
 
Ok, so it can't work due to gearing, but the concept is something to ponder in a different direction!

 
« Last Edit: August 18, 2013, 03:21:34 AM by lumen »

 

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