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Title: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: TheOne on March 29, 2008, 05:33:58 PM
I just found this video on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKtIsrc-LHs&NR=1

Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: tinu on March 29, 2008, 06:31:49 PM
Interesting video, no doubt about that. Thanks for posting. But it?s too interesting imho. I can see a similar scenario like the past ones: short movie; made n years ago; don?t know what happened meanwhile; everything else (much more relevant) is lost; I?m too stupid to see it?s something that could change the world if real; emphasis on something different (this time his girlfriend); good video editing despite short duration but still giving enough clues for ?replicators?; perplexing simplicity; highly motivational, not at all scientifically/technically; easy to fake; dubious user profile.

The mechanism reminds me of an old sewing machine (pedal powering a flywheel; ?Singer? trademark) my grandmother had from her mother, long before electricity was introduced to masses. It was still functional when I was a child and I was always fascinated at that age by building momentum into that flywheel.

Now, I know that gravitational motors can not possibly work. (Some will disagree but they have their opinions and I have mine.) I also know that magnetic motors can not possibly work. Same bracket applies. Why shall I buy a clumsy story about a gravi-magnetic motor, as long as it is also known that gravity and magnetism are independent forces? I?m sure plenty will buy the story, anyway. Just felt like posting for the ones decided to rip apart their bicycle as of tonight then regretting tomorrow.

Time will tell.

Cheers,
Tinu
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: TheOne on March 29, 2008, 09:05:13 PM
Its maybe an hoax too its hard to tell, they are some room on the ground to add some battery and the well is attached on a machine, but was cool to watch
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: FreeEnergy on March 30, 2008, 07:04:35 AM
they say it's easier to slide a magnet apart sideways than to just pull it apart. seems like what is happeneing here. i could be wrong. kind of like a stirlin magnetic engine type of thing.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: FreeEnergy on March 30, 2008, 09:21:58 PM
anyone out there?  ???
hello?
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: aleks on April 01, 2008, 10:09:24 PM
Well, why not? The motive factor there is a weight concentrated in an magnet on a shaft (the wheel itself should be considered balanced). Remove the opposing magnet on the ground, and the wheel will stop almost instantly due to a lot of friction in such unprecise wheel structure (there is some bulge on the wheel which makes wheel a bit unbalanced). Also a magnet on a shaft works as a piston and it creates a lot of air resistance due to turbulences. Well, as was noted, the energy is gained when the shaft magnet slides. E=mv^2/2, the sliding motion is fast and so some energy should be popping out from somewhere.

A correction: author specifically made the wheel unbalanced by adding the weight (which I called 'bulge'). So, not only shaft magnet, but also this bulge provides un-counteracted gravity pull.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: aleks on April 02, 2008, 07:39:20 AM
tinu, instead of playing a 'bad cop' role, try to critisize device's objective qualities.

As for me, I cannot find a flaw here. First of all, the torque of the wheel pushes the base magnet and gives a growth to potential energy arising from interaction of two magnets (the torque is transformed into potential energy of magnet interaction). If there was no gravity pull, the same thing would happen - the shaft magnet would slide off the base magnet, returning most (but not all) stored potential energy to the wheel. However, as you can see, gravity (through the unbalanced wheel) is also pushing the base magnet with additional force, and so the returned energy is slightly larger than the torque push of the wheel. Of course, the existence of initial torque in the wheel is important.

In my opinion, this device is a great example of torque and gravity force coupling while magnet interaction and sliding works like a lossless inertia redirector. I think a spring or air compressor could as well be used with a clever arrangmenet, but permanent magnet is simpler. Inertia redirection is the same thing as storing potential energy in a spring along one axis, rotating the spring and releasing the stored energy along another axis.

I think that in physical formulation terms, torque and gravity force coupling produces a summary force that is indistinguishable from both gravity and torque, and so you can't really tell which force stores the potential energy. However, when the magnet slides, this potential energy is transferred to the wheel and increases its torque. So, before making any 'no' conclusions you should first consider how much of the original torque is transferred back when the magnet slides if there was no gravity pull. Well, if it's close to 100%, then I'm on a safe side to assume this coupling produces overunity energy from gravity pull.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: aleks on April 02, 2008, 08:16:30 PM
You know what? I think 'perpetual motion' devices are forbidden to patent because governmental patent offices CANNOT be sure perpetual motion is impossible. If somebody ever patents a perpetual motion machine, that engineer will put a huge stress on the national economy since during 25 years he will be the sole owner of the device. So, the concern of patent offices is not about impossibility of perpetual motion machine, but about consequences this may have on the nation.

This is actually very good since perpetual motion machine is doomed to become public domain and so it won't break a governmental status quo - it will only change economical reality.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: CLaNZeR on June 21, 2008, 04:02:38 PM
I am surprised that more people have not tried this one as seems one of the easier replications.

I havent got a Bike wheel, so thought I would try the concept out with a weighted small wheel first before spending money hehe

I used one of my old magnet wheels and some strong neo's down the bottom. Then used Neo's on the top wheel as weights till I got the balance right as can be seen in the video below.

I think the stroke is too long and hence pulls the ring magnet too far out, with a bike wheel I should be able to bring that in shorter by sliding it along the spokes.

Will post more soon.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/omega1.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/omega2.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/omega3.jpg)

Video link below showing me playing with adding magnets.

http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/CLaNZeRplayingwiththeOMEGAMotor1.wmv

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: Omega_0 on June 21, 2008, 06:46:53 PM
Quote
I am surprised that more people have not tried this one as seems one of the easier replications.

This is on the tube since march, and I was wondering why no one has given any attention, because it is obviously WORKING (at least in the video)
So I assumed that I must have missed the story where someone showed it to be a hoax. But I think no one tried yet and there is still some hope.
I saw it posted in Quinn's thread, but everyone was busy in mud slinging there and I was waiting for that drama to end (with a tiny tiny hope of seeing something, but thank god it ended)

Anyway, PM inventors have a strange tendency to throw away the very first working model into trash or allow their dogs and girlfriends to do it for the sake of humanity and the story repeats every time. So this case is also suspicious. Even then, there is no harm trying, because its so simple.

I don't think it needs a bike wheel necessarily, any good wheel with a big weight on the rim will do. And the trick is to place the connecting rod exactly at a point on the wheel where the repulsion from the static magnet below it just manages to lift it back to the starting point.

So the major variables are the weight on the rim (which tries to turn the wheel down and opposes its lift back up), the force of magnet below (which pushed the wheel up against the weight) and the timing of events( exactly when should the magnets approach each other, during the rotation position of the weight)

Well, not so simple anyway :D
 
Meanwhile a replication by someone : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b73vKnCp2s4
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: CLaNZeR on June 21, 2008, 10:14:19 PM
Just realised I shot the video in 16:1 wide screen and downloaded as 640*480, I am not that skinny really  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: AB Hammer on June 22, 2008, 01:51:34 AM
Greetings All

 This individual known as itsblockdog at youtube, is in conversation with me about wheels and how to improve them. Our goal is to eliminate the problematic possibilities, and get some real power out of them. This is all I can tell you at this time.  Also it is having to weight till I finish with currant projects but the planning stage has started.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: Omega_0 on June 23, 2008, 01:36:15 PM
Just an idea...on how to implement this wheel.

The whole thing is based on the assumption that the attractive force of magnets shall be strong enough to lift the weight back up to the starting point....and the weight shall be enough to pull them apart again. Is it possible??

There are two sticky spots (when the weight is right at top and exact bottom), but flywheel action (or asymmetry) should take care of that.

The slot is there to restrict the "piston" in a vertical path, as the inventor complained that the whole thing flies off at high speeds. Any other arrangement will do btw.

He also says that the "wobble" works better, so leaving a play for that should improve it.

Anyway best of luck to those who are replicating !!
 
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: Omega_0 on June 23, 2008, 01:38:20 PM
My guess on how it should work.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: gwhy! on June 23, 2008, 03:03:53 PM
I am surprised that more people have not tried this one as seems one of the easier replications.

I havent got a Bike wheel, so thought I would try the concept out with a weighted small wheel first before spending money hehe

I used one of my old magnet wheels and some strong neo's down the bottom. Then used Neo's on the top wheel as weights till I got the balance right as can be seen in the video below.

I think the stroke is too long and hence pulls the ring magnet too far out, with a bike wheel I should be able to bring that in shorter by sliding it along the spokes.

Will post more soon.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/omega1.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/omega2.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/omega3.jpg)

Video link below showing me playing with adding magnets.

http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/CLaNZeRplayingwiththeOMEGAMotor1.wmv

Cheers

Sean.


Hi Sean,
I had a very quick play with this setup when the link was first posted very intresting but more to the point it did start me thinking again about tri-gate arrays and what if's. The rod end takes a elliptical motion so why not fix a roller mag on the end of the rod then have 2 fixed sets arrays at the bottom either side of the roller mag pushing the rod up on one side then pulling down on the other then then lay the whole thing flat so it will not have to fight gravity. It is something I do intend to have a play with. I hope you know what I am trying to say.    If not and your intrested let me know and i will try a draw it for you.

edit: managed to draw something up quick to try and show what I mean.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: broli on June 23, 2008, 05:19:56 PM
My guess on how it should work.

With the correct measurements and what not that might work.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: Omega_0 on June 23, 2008, 10:12:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_pKD7o75L0

An animation
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: hydrocontrol on June 23, 2008, 10:38:45 PM
Seems like only half the possibility is there. Why not extend the offset shaft on the wheel to the other side of the wheel and have an identical lever arm and magnet assembly on the other side. Having double the push energy from dual magnets you could then increase the 'flywheel' weight which should increase the power without having to add another wheel.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: hydrocontrol on June 23, 2008, 10:43:44 PM
Okay.. brain far* there. Of course if you extend the arm to the other side it would hit the support for the wheel hub. Duhh. You can get around this by having the wheel turned and supported by the rim and not the hub. I will have to see if Sean have any luck before I try..
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: AB Hammer on June 23, 2008, 11:01:56 PM
I will be curious to see how the trigate work with it.

@Omega_0

 I looked at your animation and it seems to me using two magnets that attract may be a little tough on the return.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: Omega_0 on June 23, 2008, 11:23:00 PM
@hydrocontrol
Connecting many cranks on a single axle is possible, but I wanted to keep it simple and stupid. Its only a 3D model after all :)

@AB Hammer
Do you mean in the original machine, there is only one magnet and the other piece is iron or something?
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: broli on June 23, 2008, 11:37:50 PM
Here's a very tedious paint modification that is inspried by other ideas...

(http://broli.dommel.be/gravmag.PNG)

But this shows a way to weaken the magents attraction when the weight is going down. I have to point out I have little knowledge of the effects of shielding and what not though. And also I think it could be more powerful if the magnets are in repel mode. The shield would weaken the repulsion enough so that the weight can make its swing more easily. All theory untill proven working :p.

Edit I was thinking. As the shield is passing by the magnets BOTH are  interacting with it so the net force is ZERO by the magnets. Meaning you get the shielding for free. Please tell me I'm correct  ;D.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: Omega_0 on June 24, 2008, 07:35:40 AM
broli, good thinking on the shield , but perhaps its too big as shown here and will disrupt the wheel's balance. It may not spin at all with this much load.
Now I'm thinking the earlier design was a bit rigid. It must have the wobble.

Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on June 25, 2008, 06:17:57 PM
Hi Tinu,
Thank you for your colorful post. I couldn't help but include the truth about the girlfriend. I just wish I had gotten coverage of her when she came in that night, drunk with angry behavior, as though jealous of a goofy, awkward gizmo that drew my attention away from her. Please feel welcome back to the site. The video was edited "in camera" (at the time, I felt all else was redundant) Technically the only thing that would change over the time frame that it would "mimic" initial "start-up" rpm was actual rpm would apparently, gradually, slow over a 12 hour period....then would gradually pick back up throughout the next 12 hours to a peak....& repeat.

kind regards, Ronnie

Interesting video, no doubt about that. Thanks for posting. But it?s too interesting imho. I can see a similar scenario like the past ones: short movie; made n years ago; don?t know what happened meanwhile; everything else (much more relevant) is lost; I?m too stupid to see it?s something that could change the world if real; emphasis on something different (this time his girlfriend); good video editing despite short duration but still giving enough clues for ?replicators?; perplexing simplicity; highly motivational, not at all scientifically/technically; easy to fake; dubious user profile.

The mechanism reminds me of an old sewing machine (pedal powering a flywheel; ?Singer? trademark) my grandmother had from her mother, long before electricity was introduced to masses. It was still functional when I was a child and I was always fascinated at that age by building momentum into that flywheel.

Now, I know that gravitational motors can not possibly work. (Some will disagree but they have their opinions and I have mine.) I also know that magnetic motors can not possibly work. Same bracket applies. Why shall I buy a clumsy story about a gravi-magnetic motor, as long as it is also known that gravity and magnetism are independent forces? I?m sure plenty will buy the story, anyway. Just felt like posting for the ones decided to rip apart their bicycle as of tonight then regretting tomorrow.

Time will tell.

Cheers,
Tinu
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on June 25, 2008, 08:30:24 PM
broli, good thinking on the shield , but perhaps its too big as shown here and will disrupt the wheel's balance. It may not spin at all with this much load.
Now I'm thinking the earlier design was a bit rigid. It must have the wobble.


Hi, My name is Ronnie...... (itsblockdog)   the gravity/mag/wheel/device is on youtube. Please forgive me if this communication appears intrusive. I humbly hope to extend my hand in friendship. (I must not presume deeper readings within posted conversation but, "a bit rigid" YES. Of my experience to "it" ..... IT demanded for the "wobble" in effect of the "orbit" IT would travel. The "wobble" was the physical action, point of exchange, (in polarities) as the magnetic fields switched from attraction to repelling. The "orbit" was one like that of a comet.(These are only statements in regard to what I eveluate, limited to my own reasoning.)  I hope to make your aquaintence.

Kind regards, Ronnie
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: CLaNZeR on June 25, 2008, 08:59:40 PM
Just an idea...on how to implement this wheel.
 

@Omega

Fantastic Graphics mate, well done for the time and effort, excellent job.

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: CLaNZeR on June 25, 2008, 09:03:07 PM
Hi Gwhy!

Good graphics mate, well done.

Sorry to say the Tri-Gate lacks one thing and that is Torque, Okay you can added stronger magnets etc, but you then increase the size of wheel etc etc to match.

But good idea as I know exactly where you were coming from apart from you would have to rotate the middle magnet before the roller could do the down stroke.



Hi Sean,
I had a very quick play with this setup when the link was first posted very intresting but more to the point it did start me thinking again about tri-gate arrays and what if's. The rod end takes a elliptical motion so why not fix a roller mag on the end of the rod then have 2 fixed sets arrays at the bottom either side of the roller mag pushing the rod up on one side then pulling down on the other then then lay the whole thing flat so it will not have to fight gravity. It is something I do intend to have a play with. I hope you know what I am trying to say.    If not and your intrested let me know and i will try a draw it for you.

edit: managed to draw something up quick to try and show what I mean.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: CLaNZeR on June 25, 2008, 09:05:20 PM
broli, good thinking on the shield , but perhaps its too big as shown here and will disrupt the wheel's balance. It may not spin at all with this much load.
Now I'm thinking the earlier design was a bit rigid. It must have the wobble.



Got to agree here, cool idea Broli and can see a simple steel shield being usefull on the upward stroke to alow release.
ummm got me thinking now.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on June 25, 2008, 09:07:25 PM
I will be curious to see how the trigate work with it.

@Omega_0

 I looked at your animation and it seems to me using two magnets that attract may be a little tough on the return.

Hi Alan,
I hope this communication does not appear intrusive. I'm stumbling my way through here and found you. Thank you again for your kindness. I'm trying to get sav vy to this site..... (I'm a "newbie?")    All the best to you and yours.
Kind regards, Ronnie
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: CLaNZeR on June 25, 2008, 09:07:54 PM
Welcome to the forums Ronnie

Well you have got our attention and this weekend I will be trying a Bike Wheel. As the Missus pointed out the other day, the kids bikes are in the shed and they never use them, so will pinch a wheel or two LOL!

Have you not tried to build this since Ronnie?

Cheers

Sean.


Hi, My name is Ronnie...... (itsblockdog)   the gravity/mag/wheel/device is on youtube. Please forgive me if this communication appears intrusive. I humbly hope to extend my hand in friendship. (I must not presume deeper readings within posted conversation but, "a bit rigid" YES. Of my experience to "it" ..... IT demanded for the "wobble" in effect of the "orbit" IT would travel. The "wobble" was the physical action, point of exchange, (in polarities) as the magnetic fields switched from attraction to repelling. The "orbit" was one like that of a comet.(These are only statements in regard to what I eveluate, limited to my own reasoning.)  I hope to make your aquaintence.

Kind regards, Ronnie
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on June 25, 2008, 09:16:46 PM
@Omega

Fantastic Graphics mate, well done for the time and effort, excellent job.

Cheers

Sean.


Hi, My name is Ronnie   (itsblockdog) on youtube   grav/wheel/mag/motor/device
Please forgive me if this message is intrusive. I hope to extend my hand in friendship.
kind regards, Ronnie
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: CLaNZeR on June 25, 2008, 09:24:51 PM
Hi, My name is Ronnie   (itsblockdog) on youtube   grav/wheel/mag/motor/device
Please forgive me if this message is intrusive. I hope to extend my hand in friendship.
kind regards, Ronnie

Hi Ronnie

Not intrusive at all, please see my message above yours!

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on June 25, 2008, 09:54:34 PM
Welcome to the forums Ronnie

Well you have got our attention and this weekend I will be trying a Bike Wheel. As the Missus pointed out the other day, the kids bikes are in the shed and they never use them, so will pinch a wheel or two LOL!

Have you not tried to build this since Ronnie?

Cheers

Sean.

Thank you for your kindness and considerations of manner. I understand your reasonings for the immediate resources we have most often are those we've been looking at all along. "The Missus" are good for us (Love that encouragement) Remember my ex-girlfriend?  Sheeeeeeeeesh!  (I got one who likes me now) Sure makes a difference. PINCH A WHEEL or 47....the first airplanes were made from them too!!!!!

I have parts, considerations of connections, catalogue choices for magnet design & gauss particularities. The actual building has begun, yet pends upon (what I consider to be the foundation core of the device)..... The WHEEL.  (It's in a machine shop as we speak)  I understand certain particularities are to be fulfilled by the end of this week. 

I would suggest you use the largest and the heaviest wheel you have (with the tire on it too) and consider filling the tire with water, sand, cement, lead....uranium..(ha ha)  whatever...to give it WEIGHT + centrifugal movement x momentum >
Kind regards Sean,
You have MY attention!!  (I'm always a newbie)

Ronnie


Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: Omega_0 on June 25, 2008, 10:02:48 PM
Hi, My name is Ronnie...... (itsblockdog)   the gravity/mag/wheel/device is on youtube. Please forgive me if this communication appears intrusive. I humbly hope to extend my hand in friendship. (I must not presume deeper readings within posted conversation but, "a bit rigid" YES. Of my experience to "it" ..... IT demanded for the "wobble" in effect of the "orbit" IT would travel. The "wobble" was the physical action, point of exchange, (in polarities) as the magnetic fields switched from attraction to repelling. The "orbit" was one like that of a comet.(These are only statements in regard to what I eveluate, limited to my own reasoning.)  I hope to make your aquaintence.

Kind regards, Ronnie

Hi Ronnie,
Most welcome. :)

I found your setup most interesting. It actually went full 360 degree (and more) with just a slight push, which means a LOT ! No body has done that before.
In the first part of the video, I can see the wheel turning and almost coming to a stop when the magnet below pulls it back again....

So my first question obviously is - as you know the setup better why don't you try to recreate it again ? Its only a wheel and a magnet afterall. For you it should not take more than an hour, for the rest, it may take many weeks to hit the right combination.

I see the in the first part, it worked without a wobble (elliptical path), so I based my model on that. If it must have a wobble, we just need to directly connect the rod to the magnet, skipping the restrictive slot.

I also see that in the first part, the bottom magnet is placed at an offset (not directly below the "piston"). While in the second part (crude setup), its directly below it. So we have at least two configurations. Only experiments can determine which one works best.....
So we may need to build both.

You are saying something about pole reversal, can you describe it more please?
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: Omega_0 on June 25, 2008, 10:10:42 PM
@Omega

Fantastic Graphics mate, well done for the time and effort, excellent job.

Cheers

Sean.


Just throwing about some ideas before you start on it :)
Now we have the inventor here, so lets hear it from horse's mouth, rather than guessing stuff from the video....
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: AB Hammer on June 25, 2008, 10:44:14 PM
Omega_0

 You have two inventors. The original and myself. I am in the proses of working with Ronnie on a new version of what he has done and combining with what I have done and I can do.  I was going to wait till after I finished my personal projects but after talking with Ronnie today it has been decided to build it with at the same time as one of my others this weekend.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: CLaNZeR on June 25, 2008, 10:54:56 PM
Omega_0

 You have two inventors. The original and myself. I am in the proses of working with Ronnie on a new version of what he has done and combining with what I have done and I can do.  I was going to wait till after I finished my personal projects but after talking with Ronnie today it has been decided to build it with at the same time as one of my others this weekend.

@AB

So are you saying to hold back till the weekend, as you have new details?
If so then I will hold back and see what your new invention on the back of the original has to offer, rather than going for the original design.

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: Omega_0 on June 25, 2008, 11:08:33 PM
Well, AB, thats a good news...
I wish you all the best.

Please post your progress.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: gwhy! on June 26, 2008, 12:38:00 AM
Hi Gwhy!

Good graphics mate, well done.

Sorry to say the Tri-Gate lacks one thing and that is Torque, Okay you can added stronger magnets etc, but you then increase the size of wheel etc etc to match.

But good idea as I know exactly where you were coming from apart from you would have to rotate the middle magnet before the roller could do the down stroke.



Hi Sean,
    I think you may be correct about the torque but from some other test that I have done its not to difficult to increase just by increasing the dia and length of the roller mag. The middle mag will not have to rotate as there are two sets of trigates one pushing and one pulling , the drawing is not to scale and the end of the arm will not make a perfect eclipital motion more like a triangular motion. I have quickly tested this on a horizontal plane with one con rod and from a standing start it will be pushed around for about  260 degrees and stops slowly then just sits there it doesn't get pulled back the other way and when the trigates are setup correctly there is very little effort needed to tickle the middle mag back to the start. I am gonna make a crank so I can mount 2 con rods the the theory is it will fill in the missing degrees with a little bit extra  ;)
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on June 26, 2008, 05:59:48 PM
Hi Omega!
Thank you for your focus. Please allow me a short period of time to reply. (a few hours...maybe a day). I feel your questionings deserve researched, detailed reasonings; For that: May I premeditate & respond with the utmost of my limitations?  Personal experience with the original devices - I stumbled; yet stood & fell....  R&D proceedure gets a bit verbose but, more.....
(In thought, and shall return........Ronnie


Hi Ronnie,
Most welcome. :)

I found your setup most interesting. It actually went full 360 degree (and more) with just a slight push, which means a LOT ! No body has done that before.
In the first part of the video, I can see the wheel turning and almost coming to a stop when the magnet below pulls it back again....

So my first question obviously is - as you know the setup better why don't you try to recreate it again ? Its only a wheel and a magnet afterall. For you it should not take more than an hour, for the rest, it may take many weeks to hit the right combination.

I see the in the first part, it worked without a wobble (elliptical path), so I based my model on that. If it must have a wobble, we just need to directly connect the rod to the magnet, skipping the restrictive slot.

I also see that in the first part, the bottom magnet is placed at an offset (not directly below the "piston"). While in the second part (crude setup), its directly below it. So we have at least two configurations. Only experiments can determine which one works best.....
So we may need to build both.

You are saying something about pole reversal, can you describe it more please?
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on June 26, 2008, 08:20:17 PM
Omega_0

 You have two inventors. The original and myself. I am in the proses of working with Ronnie on a new version of what he has done and combining with what I have done and I can do.  I was going to wait till after I finished my personal projects but after talking with Ronnie today it has been decided to build it with at the same time as one of my others this weekend.

Greetings. (Ronnie here)  This posting is confirmed. I have a wheel in a machine shop, (was) scheduled to fullfill "within the next ten business days" .... I contacted them this morning and called "HOLD IT till further notice."  (Due to personal considerations and verbal decisions with Alan and further things we speak.....)  I stand with Alan.  Also; Thank you, Alan for furthering our interests; as well, I am honored to have found such noble traits in manner of your friendship. I respect this posting in highest regards.

Sincerely, Ronnie
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: AB Hammer on June 27, 2008, 12:01:42 AM
Thank you Ronnie

  This is what teem work is all about. Talk to you later by phone, I have to go to Little Rock for a quick trip.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on June 27, 2008, 04:04:48 PM
Hi Omega!
Thank you for your focus. Please allow me a short period of time to reply. (a few hours...maybe a day). I feel your questionings deserve researched, detailed reasonings; For that: May I premeditate & respond with the utmost of my limitations?  Personal experience with the original devices - I stumbled; yet stood & fell....  R&D proceedure gets a bit verbose but, more.....
(In thought, and shall return........Ronnie



OK....ahh given the nature of this thing....I've begun production on a 4th model. Considering all the questions that have come in and all you wonderful people....you've helped me in more ways than I have yet to even realize. I've been terribly stubborn to want only to produce the "next" one with strict descipline to measuremnts and so much tehchnical jazz that; I even remember from the beginning that (for me) that method was futile. Last night I began production on this next effort in hopes to regain and expand upon details. I began video coverage this morning and may post certain segments as this thing proceeds.  Omega; Please ask me stuff. Continue to. You help me focus. I'll do what I can. As well, make suggestions even through what is "seen" or "unseen."  I appreciate your interests and hope to do my part to the best of what is given me. (I'm still trying to compose in my mind how to answer what you have asked at this point!)  Perhaps read the comments posted on youtube? (I will review there too) and I'll try searching through some specific communications I've had regarding the same particularities. There are postings on HERE that are similar. (The graphic which the "piston" travels within a chamber in magnetic fields through an "orbit" like that of a comet.) It appears to have incorporated elements of all three models I posted on ytube. I FEEL THERE IS SOMETHING THERE. I wanted (back then)  to incorporate some form of that design but I simply didn't have the substance resources in front of my face to stop.  There is DEFINITELY something noteworthy about that element of theory in design. IT WAS VIOLENT and excited enough to tear into the nearby wall.    More to come my friend....and tell me stuff (if you will)  I'm a newbie and don't even know where my own kindergarden, sand box is; much more if there's sand in it or not.    Kind regards to you and yours, Ronnie

I am working with Alan and our efforts contain matters which must be in all considerations of agreements we hold. I'll be showing clips of the world I stummble through and hope to befriend all those of yous who like to be friends.......
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: Omega_0 on June 27, 2008, 07:09:05 PM
OK....ahh given the nature of this thing....I've begun production on a 4th model.

Thats a big news. 4th model cool. :)

Although I have no idea what it'll be like but in my humble opinion, at this stage there is no need of making a megawatt generator or showing the grand theories on which it should work or making complicated designs. I'm talking from experience of what I've seen. It fails and takes a lot of money and time.
I'd wish that you keep it very very simple. A wheel, a connecting rod and a magnet. No electronics, no motors etc etc. Remember that you need to show a wheel which goes 360 degree when you let go and does it a few times. Thats all. It need not be a perpetual machine, just an OU demo.
If you are worried that it will not be useful and people will take it as a toy, dont worry. There are immensely talented engineers around the world and they will create huge generators once the principle is shown.

Please document and measure everything, the weights, lengths, dimensions etc etc BEFORE you assemble, because you wouldn't like to disassemble it just to tell others what the weights were. :)
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on June 28, 2008, 03:05:53 PM
Hi...Thanks for the suggestions. (I got no ambition to even approach making this thing into some hoover damn generator, nor theories or suggestions or even weak discussions that this thing could at this level.. You're talking my language: simple as possible. All the resources I have are as "punk" as all the others. There's just more piles of it, all in one place (instead of having to hit the streets of NY every Tuesday for certain items of trash.) Thanks for the focused guidance. My descipline has been horrid regarding details and measurements. I don't mind being mocked and ridiculed "a kook," neither do I become intimidated or discouraged by "absolute facts understood by man." A few things look a bit different at this point but, I see a basic shot at the thing beginning to appear. Even regarding it a toy that mimics, it reminds me of an awkward, stumbling robot that doesn't need to be wound. Ya just give it a little shove and it gimps on it's merry little way....Thanks for the advice!  Kind regards, Ronnie

Thats a big news. 4th model cool. :)

Although I have no idea what it'll be like but in my humble opinion, at this stage there is no need of making a megawatt generator or showing the grand theories on which it should work or making complicated designs. I'm talking from experience of what I've seen. It fails and takes a lot of money and time.
I'd wish that you keep it very very simple. A wheel, a connecting rod and a magnet. No electronics, no motors etc etc. Remember that you need to show a wheel which goes 360 degree when you let go and does it a few times. Thats all. It need not be a perpetual machine, just an OU demo.
If you are worried that it will not be useful and people will take it as a toy, dont worry. There are immensely talented engineers around the world and they will create huge generators once the principle is shown.

Please document and measure everything, the weights, lengths, dimensions etc etc BEFORE you assemble, because you wouldn't like to disassemble it just to tell others what the weights were. :)

Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: CLaNZeR on June 29, 2008, 03:22:04 PM
Dragged out one of the kids old bikes this end and made a start.

Just waiting for the Metal Weld to dry and will connect the shaft.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/bikew1.jpg)

Spokes on the bike wheel are not the same so had to cut a slot into the aluminium bar to get it level.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/bikew2.jpg)

More later

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: ramset on June 29, 2008, 10:05:17 PM
SEAN this particular design is alleged to have a bad reaction from females [careful]   Chet
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: CLaNZeR on June 29, 2008, 10:11:35 PM
SEAN this particular design is alleged to have a bad reaction from females [careful]   Chet

ROFL Chet

I been with my Better Half for 22 years, she seen me do a lot more crazy shit durin this time than this LOL

Thx though hehe  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on June 30, 2008, 10:43:14 PM
Fantastic!!! (I just read the post above stating this thing has bad reactions from females)  Glad to know your misses has seen crazier ..... (this one really gets to the obsessed on me.....gee.....perhaps it's ME!  Not her? Or plural to that.... haha

kind regards,
Ronnie



Dragged out one of the kids old bikes this end and made a start.

Just waiting for the Metal Weld to dry and will connect the shaft.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/bikew1.jpg)

Spokes on the bike wheel are not the same so had to cut a slot into the aluminium bar to get it level.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/bikew2.jpg)

More later

Cheers

Sean.

Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on June 30, 2008, 10:47:16 PM
SEAN this particular design is alleged to have a bad reaction from females [careful]   Chet

Hi...my name is Ronnie....I am SOOOO laughing at this comment... (If I only could have known!)  All you people make me feel so much better about things....  :)

itsblockdog
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: bradpitt on July 01, 2008, 04:41:57 AM
Here is my set up....I added a pendulum made of copper to swing past the sticky spot...where can I buy MUMetal??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zpl2u-buSw
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: Omega_0 on July 01, 2008, 03:46:53 PM
I know its not a tri gate thread but here is something I dreamed up in 3D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejpPwI-YGQU

The roller (as others have shown) goes in curved path and also uphill. So it should be possible to return it back using gravity assist (its own weight or with extra weights) and use the momentum (not the weight actually) to break past the entry point.

Counter weight can be used on the other side of the arm to effectively reduce the weight of the roller or you can add more weight on the same side to increase it.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: Omega_0 on July 01, 2008, 03:50:48 PM
Here is my set up....I added a pendulum made of copper to swing past the sticky spot...where can I buy MUMetal??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zpl2u-buSw

How many degrees the wheel go when you just let it drop from 12 oclock, without the magnets ? (without the pendulum)
And how many degrees the wheel go when you just let it drop from 12 oclock, with the magnets ? (without the pendulum)

And is that an LED ? :)
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: gwhy! on July 01, 2008, 11:17:09 PM
I know its not a tri gate thread but here is something I dreamed up in 3D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejpPwI-YGQU

The roller (as others have shown) goes in curved path and also uphill. So it should be possible to return it back using gravity assist (its own weight or with extra weights) and use the momentum (not the weight actually) to break past the entry point.

Counter weight can be used on the other side of the arm to effectively reduce the weight of the roller or you can add more weight on the same side to increase it.

Hi Omega_0,
  I have actually tried this a while back and I think this is what led me to the conclusion that a setup of tri-gates in a circular fashion as in your 3D model ( which is very good by the way , big thumbs up   ;D ) with a roller mag entering and exiting the array on the same plane is a non-starter unless something can be done with shielding the entrance and exit..   :-\  but again, I would love to be proved wrong. I think the secret to getting a working system with tri-gates would be to get the roller mag to enter/exit the array at as near as 90 degrees as possible so you eliminate the problem of the repulsion/attraction and the ends. 
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: gwhy! on July 02, 2008, 12:01:00 AM
I will be curious to see how the trigate work with it.


Hi AB,
   I have done some tests with a tri-gate setup as in the picture I post in this thread not 100% setup as in the picture but same principle only using 1 pair of arrays. The test i have is a wind down test now to be honest it wasn't done very accurately it was done with a watch with a second hand and a hand spin with and without the tri-gates in place. But it was very promising there was a good 10-20 secs more spinning with the arrays in place and this was consistent until the arrays were slightly out of the sweet spot. The problem with me I really like building side of things and get very impatient when I only have 1 build on the go at any one time, and at this moment I have another 3 builds on the go so I tend to flit between them as and when I can. And now the hold up on the design shown in this tread is the fact that I would like to get more of a oval movement from the pendulum instead of more of a triangular movement. So any suggestions are most welcome  :P..   
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: AB Hammer on July 02, 2008, 03:31:58 AM
Hi gwhy!

 I am in the proses of looking for a few good size magnets for the wheel I have built. I have concentrated on gravity wheels so I have not been stocking up on magnets for a larger wheel. But when I get them the wheel will be done and as long as my calculations are correct it should be able to run at least a bicycle generator. But I do hope for better. As for making your oval shape. Let me think ..... Ok I think I got it for you. 2 magnets, one on each side of your tri-gate, this should give a mild tug (due to the overall change of the field) on each side for your oval to possibility work. Don't put them to close but just enough for the tug. You may also have to make one a little higher to keep a single direction on your oval. I played with magnets when I was younger back in 1974 and built a magnet wheel that ran for 1 and 1/2 days before it wore out the center of the cardboard. The funny thing is I didn't think much of it until last year.

Good luck

PS. How I got it to run in 1974 was, each magnet was adjusted individually to make the field do what I wanted it to do, and it was not a uniformed design. Uniform designs make uniform fields and that is the best suggestion I can give for a basic magnet wheel.

Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: Omega_0 on July 02, 2008, 12:06:29 PM
a roller mag entering and exiting the array on the same plane is a non-starter

Did you use an inclined plane or was it horizontal ?

If you are sure about repulsion being less if the roller enters from the top (90 deg to the plane of tri gate array), then it can be accomplished. I'll do another animation to show how.
But I guess the advantage will be nullified by the cost of lifting the roller up to that height.
Shields cause problems because they distort the field, so the roller may not move at all. But I never tried so can't say for sure.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: gwhy! on July 02, 2008, 12:16:33 PM
Did you use an inclined plane or was it horizontal ?

If you are sure about repulsion being less if the roller enters from the top (90 deg to the plane of tri gate array), then it can be accomplished. I'll do another animation to show how.
But I guess the advantage will be nullified by the cost of lifting the roller up to that height.
Shields cause problems because they distort the field, so the roller may not move at all. But I never tried so can't say for sure.


Hi Omega_0,
  I had a more or less the exact same setup as in your model on a incline. There is a sweet spot on the entrance/exit of a array no push or pull and I think like you have said :

But I guess the advantage will be nullified by the cost of lifting the roller up to that height.

All the best.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on July 02, 2008, 02:47:20 PM
of the subject above... "orbit"....in my humble opinion: oval vs triangel.... oval like a comet in travel (natural)
Hi AB,
   I have done some tests with a tri-gate setup as in the picture I post in this thread not 100% setup as in the picture but same principle only using 1 pair of arrays. The test i have is a wind down test now to be honest it wasn't done very accurately it was done with a watch with a second hand and a hand spin with and without the tri-gates in place. But it was very promising there was a good 10-20 secs more spinning with the arrays in place and this was consistent until the arrays were slightly out of the sweet spot. The problem with me I really like building side of things and get very impatient when I only have 1 build on the go at any one time, and at this moment I have another 3 builds on the go so I tend to flit between them as and when I can. And now the hold up on the design shown in this tread is the fact that I would like to get more of a oval movement from the pendulum instead of more of a triangular movement. So any suggestions are most welcome  :P..  
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: AB Hammer on July 16, 2008, 01:30:01 AM
Bump
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on July 16, 2008, 03:33:16 AM
Thanks....had to arrange some settings like you said...."bumps" up right away now  :)
Bump

Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on July 16, 2008, 07:18:03 AM
Well..."bump" came in more ways than site position...got the comet hooked up (finally). Had to study Keplers orbit displays and mix in a bit of Haley's slingshot around the sun, plus the analemma "figure 8" light pattern.....subtle that it's an 8 pattern (looks oval) but if you stretch out an 8 up & down about 30 degrees the switch sings right through the crossover like a little "thank you for the push on on a kids swing goin up." I don't think my "living room " has ever been filled with so much crap. Best thing for me to do is to not manipulate it nor add a load of minestroni in, thinking this or that will be better. All the distractions of ambitious desires to goal "more" from it's elemental size hinders the simple purpose of what it simply does: mimic .... period. Crude as punk vacuum brain. Slop bearing metal against plastic, contact rubber cement...used a floor shift knob for a weight.....about as sophisticated as sawing wood with a hammer. I've been down this road before and if there is anything simpler, I may as well use paint to glue it on the rug. The REALLY wierd part is; my girlfriend. She's been in an alcohol rehab program for 2 1/2 years and she relapsed just before the holiday. She drilled me just a few minutes ago about "what the hell is this wheel for and what does it do? and why is all this crap everywhere? Then said, I just don't think you're right for me and hung up tonight. You know the picture you painted about when to be excited? I DO NOT know why or what it is about having to explain reason of an object that is so completely out of understanding. I don't need to understand it. It just does a thing. I can't measure and weigh and determine exact horseshit before the horse shits. NOW, I can take it apart a zillion times and do all that list of homework. So there it ticks. A couple of hours now. Squeeks like a mouse being stepped on with a tickey little pop in rythum. Girlfriend's gone and history repeats itself. Maybe tomorrow will be a good time to leave town a while. I'm ok. Just need a break. What goods all this crap if there's nobody to share it to and with? Ahhh, maybe it'll break in a minute anyway. I think I've got some corn oil I can slop on that plastic squeek. What a night. Thanks for the talk today. I feel kinda sick too. Talk with ya after while. Hope yo get to feeling better.
Kind regards,
Ronnie

Bump

Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on July 17, 2008, 08:24:03 AM
Hi,
Hey...I was trying to post this to general message board but, obvious I still don't know what th heck I'm doing . Here was my subject title: and the body......

(BONDING Neodyne magnets to: (I need to bond a 1" Neo. to a 3mm shaft. Please HELP?)

I've tried various obvious things....epoxys, cast in rubber enclosures, etc. The Magnet is SO strong It expells itself from it's position. Either totally; and flies accross the room (DANGER) or it will "shift" inside it's enclosure in force to a polarity that is unacceptable for purpose. It's nickle plated and will even scar the plating as I continue these different methods of my own trials. This is my first experiences with these type magnets and they are marvelous. However, somebody out there knows something to suggest to me? Please, that I may proceed with a quicker means....regarding my own limits of budget and knowledge?  As I continue down roads where you have traveled....I am destroying things around my environment (including distortions upon my own project.) Could someone suggest things to me. Thank you for these considerations.

Kind regards, Ronnie

got any ideas? I asked Omega the same.... (Still a newbie me)   Help?

Bump

Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: therealrasta on July 17, 2008, 02:39:02 PM
Hi,
Hey...I was trying to post this to general message board but, obvious I still don't know what th heck I'm doing . Here was my subject title: and the body......

(BONDING Neodyne magnets to: (I need to bond a 1" Neo. to a 3mm shaft. Please HELP?)

I've tried various obvious things....epoxys, cast in rubber enclosures, etc. The Magnet is SO strong It expells itself from it's position. Either totally; and flies accross the room (DANGER) or it will "shift" inside it's enclosure in force to a polarity that is unacceptable for purpose. It's nickle plated and will even scar the plating as I continue these different methods of my own trials. This is my first experiences with these type magnets and they are marvelous. However, somebody out there knows something to suggest to me? Please, that I may proceed with a quicker means....regarding my own limits of budget and knowledge?  As I continue down roads where you have traveled....I am destroying things around my environment (including distortions upon my own project.) Could someone suggest things to me. Thank you for these considerations.

Kind regards, Ronnie

got any ideas? I asked Omega the same.... (Still a newbie me)   Help?


Your most likely going to have to strip the plating off... Most important factor when bonding is how clean the surface of the magnet and what your bonding it to is.. Such as body oils, dust, etc..  Check this link.. I think it may help you.

http://www.mceproducts.com/knowledge-base/article/article-dtl.asp?id=67
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: Omega_0 on July 17, 2008, 08:58:14 PM
itsblockdog,

I replied to your message, please check the inbox here.

I hope the replication is going nicely. Some pics or vids would be nice. (From yourself or AB)

Meanwhile I guess Clanzer has given up on this wheel, because I saw his bike wheel dismantled and re-used for that mondersek (sp?) wheel. Clanzer what happened ?

Anyway, he uploaded this gem  recently -
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xuZcHVT5YRs

I always thought that this uses the little vibrations of the hand (as shown in original video by the inventor) to get it spinning. And no one had shown it going with a fixed stator (i.e. not holding it in one's hand).
This is baffling and I wonder why everyone is silent over this. Did I miss something ???
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on July 18, 2008, 04:07:05 AM
Thank you therealrasta. You've been most helpful. Kind regards, Ronnie

Your most likely going to have to strip the plating off... Most important factor when bonding is how clean the surface of the magnet and what your bonding it to is.. Such as body oils, dust, etc..  Check this link.. I think it may help you.

http://www.mceproducts.com/knowledge-base/article/article-dtl.asp?id=67
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: therealrasta on July 18, 2008, 12:52:35 PM
Thank you therealrasta. You've been most helpful. Kind regards, Ronnie


Glad to help when I can.. Hope your build continues and successfully too.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on July 20, 2008, 02:26:24 AM
Thank you Omega. You've been a very helpful and attentive friend. Considering other devices of efforts (I think?) the "wobble" may be a common factor to accept or at least give regard that it may need be present in the list of traits present within certain designs. The most baffling thing to me has become the repeat of personal history. AB is a good and VERY encouraging trust. I simply can NOT force this endeavor to evolve quicker than the very nature of it's existance. My personal emotions need descipline regarding patience. You haven't "missed" anything...I don't think? Clanzers post inspired me to "motivate." His presentation displayed such logic, I actually RAN to collect stuff. His display revealed search for weight, gravity, magnetic presence and a method to search for timing; all in one. God knows when, why, where....everything about what each of our individual inspiration purposes are to propose. Isn't one of the symbols for God a circle with a dot in the center? Well, here's the wheel. Clumbsy it putters. The girl is gone. The place looks like total chaos. It's moral honor not to breech trusts and post sensitive matters. Thank you further for your kind manner in every respect. Kind regards, Ronnie

itsblockdog,

I replied to your message, please check the inbox here.

I hope the replication is going nicely. Some pics or vids would be nice. (From yourself or AB)

Meanwhile I guess Clanzer has given up on this wheel, because I saw his bike wheel dismantled and re-used for that mondersek (sp?) wheel. Clanzer what happened ?

Anyway, he uploaded this gem  recently -
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xuZcHVT5YRs

I always thought that this uses the little vibrations of the hand (as shown in original video by the inventor) to get it spinning. And no one had shown it going with a fixed stator (i.e. not holding it in one's hand).
This is baffling and I wonder why everyone is silent over this. Did I miss something ???

Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: AnandAadhar on August 26, 2008, 10:23:51 AM
From my studying the IPMM http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4449.new.html#new and the Hamel generator http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5011.msg114847.html#msg114847 I have arrived at the same conclusion: a magnet motor must engage a second force like gravity. So a gravito-magnetic Stirling type of engine could very well work. If it does we have simple man's Finsrud. A, by me, sought after schoolboy design that is easily replicable. Finsrud was the first one to successfully combine gravity and magnetism in a selfrunning device. Problem with him is the difficulty to replicate his art work. What he has is a chaos pendulum the control over which is difficult. From my Hamel replication I saw the possibility of harnessing an alternation of OU magnet pulsing by means of a Sterling design engaging gravity as modelled above. Thanks for that computer animation, very nice.

The magnet setup is the point: for a Sterling engine you have to build a kind of connected magnetic pistons that alternately either suck or push the wheel by means of a gate. The principle has been described in 1979 by Bedini as a possible drive for a magnet motor at this page: http://keelynet.com/energy/bedgate.htm.  So, studying this gate, is what is of importance to have the so-called 90 degrees rule respected (http://www.fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90). Without it you have no effective gate, but just a magnetic resistor. This would mean that two ringmagnets won't work because their polarities are in the same direction and not at angle. You have to build a gate as Bedini described and then push a magnet toward it to get it attracted. It attracts, according Bedini, four times as much as it repels, before the gate that is. In his saying that behind the gate that effect is maintained, I think he is wrong. Behind the gate it is the obverse namely, the resistance there to escape is four times as big as the push. That's why circular setups of gates don't work. The field around the gate balances the space energy of the magnet field. But if one with a Stirling engine set-up pulls the ringmagnet away from the Bedini gate before it has passed it then would one have the space-energy drive to make this machine a working ether machine.

If it works it proves a new law of nature, or better stated a corollary to the thermodynamic law of the preservation of energy: the preservation of field energy. This is what Bearden proved with his MEG patent.  One could also call it the law of Bearden in physical terms or the law of Vishnu in spiritual terms. Vishnu is the preserver and the integrity of the ether force in three different aspects: the local aspect of a magnetic wobble (curved space ether or tertiary ether: cyclic time, magnetism), the universal aspect of linear gravitation towards a black hole (universal space of negative inward going time; linear centipetal force) and the cosmic aspect of timespace expansion: the primal ether from which evertything started (linear centifugal).  The vedic terms for it are: kshiro (the local) garbo (the universal) and karano (the causal and primal drive).http://bhagavata.org/glossary/v.html#V%20i%20s%20h%20n%20u So what we are building here is a vishnu-yantra, the Sanskrit word for an ether machine that would demonstrate this (new) law of conservation of field energy.

Thus building the device, the flywheel would represent the universal garbo aspect of Vishnu, the magnetic Bedini gate pistons at both sides of the wheel to give ot a continuous push or pull would represent the linear amplification from the causal ether (the karano-aspect) and the eventual connection underneath the pistons creating a wobble that drives a rotor wheel for energy production would then figure for the local aspect (the kshiro). For a classroom demonstration of magnetic OU this latter aspect may be ommitted possibly. Thus would a gravito-magnetic sterling, let's say a GMS-device, be a perfect demonstration of the universal, cosmic and local aspects of the classical aether. There is even a vedic mantra to meditate and keep the ego and the mind under control with constructing and propagating this machine: jagann?tha sw?mi, nayana patha g?m?, bhava tume, meaning "O lord Vishnu, o Lord of the universe, please make Yourselves visible before our eyes!".http://bhagavata.org/music/text/jagannath.html In the Bhagavad G?t? (4.7 http://bhagavata.org/gita/chapter4.html#text%207) He promises to descend whenever that is really needed. And I think that at present is the case with our troubled energy politics on the planet. So we have the blessings from that department too! If our inventive and greedy ego's can't cope with the load of such a worldwide cultural reform, which is something very understandable, then let's give it to the tradition of respecting Vishnu in this way.Thus properly in sum giving credit to Finsrud, Bedini, Hamel, Bearden and even Lord Vishnu and His many manifestations, will the OMEGA ego of Ronny finding Bedini's principle by accident and such notions be appeased. It we accomplish something like this, and I do pray that we will have something replicable, is it because of all of these predecessors of science, invention and spirituality inspired us to make it this way and thus need they to be given credit. Only this kind of open source can make it a true success as well scientifically as spiritually leading to the happiness of us all. That is what I am after.

AnandAadhar
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: AnandAadhar on August 26, 2008, 11:30:14 AM
Sorry your name was Ronnie, not? Do you have a webpage of your own or something?
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: nightlife on November 29, 2008, 04:31:23 AM
 Is anyone still working with this concept?
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: AnandAadhar on November 29, 2008, 08:13:30 AM
Is anyone still working with this concept?

I have tried a gravito magnetic concept like this but have abandoned it. It didn't work for me. I didn't post anything because of not being very proud of my failed efforts, but I have some video on it. The simple bicycle wheel thing we started here, I couldn't replicate, just like Claenzer coudn't. I am now engaged in a replication of the ALME magnet motor, please see:
Overunity.com
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5674.0;topicseen
Yahoo discussion
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ALME-OS/
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: magnetman12003 on December 11, 2008, 09:49:55 PM
Hi Guys,

I am presently having sucess using 3 forces. Permanent magnet attraction, Permanent magnet repel, and gravity working together turning a heavy flywheel connected to a driver piston magnet.

Similar to the bike wheel setup that started this thread but different in how power to drive my large flywheel is obtained.  I am not using the  large floor ring magnet any more.

Will post all when my setup runs for a least a week. Then taken apart- reassembled and run for another week to be sure all bugs are out of it.

Tom



Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: AB Hammer on December 13, 2008, 02:41:06 AM
nightlife

I haven't talked to itsblockdog for a while but it is still on the stove so to speak but its on a back burner at this time. A living is in the front burner.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: itsblockdog on December 15, 2008, 08:53:52 PM
Two on front burner, one in the oven. coupled of CLOSE UP still shots on the center of rod connection and THE WIRE allowing the ORBIT AND THE WOBBLE.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: johnfarmingdale on June 11, 2009, 08:11:05 PM

      I am going to keep this thread alive. I am currently replicating itsblockdog device "Omega machine". Please reply in this thread if you are interested in see it. I will make a webpage on my server. I have a wheel (26") mount on a fork attached to a wood frame. It needs a little more building to do. Its a very simple idea that needs to be explored. I think there might be something here. we will find out.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: AnandAadhar on June 12, 2009, 12:17:43 PM
      I am going to keep this thread alive. I am currently replicating itsblockdog device "Omega machine". Please reply in this thread if you are interested in see it. I will make a webpage on my server. I have a wheel (26") mount on a fork attached to a wood frame. It needs a little more building to do. Its a very simple idea that needs to be explored. I think there might be something here. we will find out.
I thought so too, but couldn't get it to work as yet.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: johnfarmingdale on June 12, 2009, 02:36:42 PM
I thought so too, but couldn't get it to work as yet.

Do you have any pictures/videos of your device? (I didn't see it on your youtube channel)
The way he has the pipe(lack of a better term) out of the wheel, i think it is really important [the wobble], but this is just theory, that I want to try.
Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: AnandAadhar on June 12, 2009, 07:49:19 PM
Do you have any pictures/videos of your device? (I didn't see it on your youtube channel)
The way he has the pipe(lack of a better term) out of the wheel, i think it is really important [the wobble], but this is just theory, that I want to try.
I'm implementing gravity in my Ipmm research, with not the replication this thread is about, but no positive result to load as yet. I'm a bit tired of all the sceptic comments if I show more failures than I do already. I have tons of video's I do not load therefore. It is as difficult as a single sperm cel to reach an ovum.

Title: Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
Post by: AB Hammer on June 14, 2009, 05:43:49 AM
Two on front burner, one in the oven. coupled of CLOSE UP still shots on the center of rod connection and THE WIRE allowing the ORBIT AND THE WOBBLE.

It's not the orbit or the wobble. More to investigate and hopefully more info.