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Offline TheOne

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Gravity Magnetic Motor
« on: March 29, 2008, 05:33:58 PM »
I just found this video on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKtIsrc-LHs&NR=1


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Gravity Magnetic Motor
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Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2008, 06:31:49 PM »
Interesting video, no doubt about that. Thanks for posting. But it?s too interesting imho. I can see a similar scenario like the past ones: short movie; made n years ago; don?t know what happened meanwhile; everything else (much more relevant) is lost; I?m too stupid to see it?s something that could change the world if real; emphasis on something different (this time his girlfriend); good video editing despite short duration but still giving enough clues for ?replicators?; perplexing simplicity; highly motivational, not at all scientifically/technically; easy to fake; dubious user profile.

The mechanism reminds me of an old sewing machine (pedal powering a flywheel; ?Singer? trademark) my grandmother had from her mother, long before electricity was introduced to masses. It was still functional when I was a child and I was always fascinated at that age by building momentum into that flywheel.

Now, I know that gravitational motors can not possibly work. (Some will disagree but they have their opinions and I have mine.) I also know that magnetic motors can not possibly work. Same bracket applies. Why shall I buy a clumsy story about a gravi-magnetic motor, as long as it is also known that gravity and magnetism are independent forces? I?m sure plenty will buy the story, anyway. Just felt like posting for the ones decided to rip apart their bicycle as of tonight then regretting tomorrow.

Time will tell.

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Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2008, 09:05:13 PM »
Its maybe an hoax too its hard to tell, they are some room on the ground to add some battery and the well is attached on a machine, but was cool to watch

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Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2008, 07:04:35 AM »
they say it's easier to slide a magnet apart sideways than to just pull it apart. seems like what is happeneing here. i could be wrong. kind of like a stirlin magnetic engine type of thing.

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Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2008, 09:21:58 PM »
anyone out there?  ???
hello?

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Offline aleks

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Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2008, 10:09:24 PM »
Well, why not? The motive factor there is a weight concentrated in an magnet on a shaft (the wheel itself should be considered balanced). Remove the opposing magnet on the ground, and the wheel will stop almost instantly due to a lot of friction in such unprecise wheel structure (there is some bulge on the wheel which makes wheel a bit unbalanced). Also a magnet on a shaft works as a piston and it creates a lot of air resistance due to turbulences. Well, as was noted, the energy is gained when the shaft magnet slides. E=mv^2/2, the sliding motion is fast and so some energy should be popping out from somewhere.

A correction: author specifically made the wheel unbalanced by adding the weight (which I called 'bulge'). So, not only shaft magnet, but also this bulge provides un-counteracted gravity pull.

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Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2008, 07:39:20 AM »
tinu, instead of playing a 'bad cop' role, try to critisize device's objective qualities.

As for me, I cannot find a flaw here. First of all, the torque of the wheel pushes the base magnet and gives a growth to potential energy arising from interaction of two magnets (the torque is transformed into potential energy of magnet interaction). If there was no gravity pull, the same thing would happen - the shaft magnet would slide off the base magnet, returning most (but not all) stored potential energy to the wheel. However, as you can see, gravity (through the unbalanced wheel) is also pushing the base magnet with additional force, and so the returned energy is slightly larger than the torque push of the wheel. Of course, the existence of initial torque in the wheel is important.

In my opinion, this device is a great example of torque and gravity force coupling while magnet interaction and sliding works like a lossless inertia redirector. I think a spring or air compressor could as well be used with a clever arrangmenet, but permanent magnet is simpler. Inertia redirection is the same thing as storing potential energy in a spring along one axis, rotating the spring and releasing the stored energy along another axis.

I think that in physical formulation terms, torque and gravity force coupling produces a summary force that is indistinguishable from both gravity and torque, and so you can't really tell which force stores the potential energy. However, when the magnet slides, this potential energy is transferred to the wheel and increases its torque. So, before making any 'no' conclusions you should first consider how much of the original torque is transferred back when the magnet slides if there was no gravity pull. Well, if it's close to 100%, then I'm on a safe side to assume this coupling produces overunity energy from gravity pull.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2008, 03:09:47 PM by aleks »

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Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2008, 08:16:30 PM »
You know what? I think 'perpetual motion' devices are forbidden to patent because governmental patent offices CANNOT be sure perpetual motion is impossible. If somebody ever patents a perpetual motion machine, that engineer will put a huge stress on the national economy since during 25 years he will be the sole owner of the device. So, the concern of patent offices is not about impossibility of perpetual motion machine, but about consequences this may have on the nation.

This is actually very good since perpetual motion machine is doomed to become public domain and so it won't break a governmental status quo - it will only change economical reality.

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Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2008, 04:02:38 PM »
I am surprised that more people have not tried this one as seems one of the easier replications.

I havent got a Bike wheel, so thought I would try the concept out with a weighted small wheel first before spending money hehe

I used one of my old magnet wheels and some strong neo's down the bottom. Then used Neo's on the top wheel as weights till I got the balance right as can be seen in the video below.

I think the stroke is too long and hence pulls the ring magnet too far out, with a bike wheel I should be able to bring that in shorter by sliding it along the spokes.

Will post more soon.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/omega1.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/omega2.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/omega3.jpg)

Video link below showing me playing with adding magnets.

http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/CLaNZeRplayingwiththeOMEGAMotor1.wmv

Cheers

Sean.

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Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2008, 06:46:53 PM »
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I am surprised that more people have not tried this one as seems one of the easier replications.

This is on the tube since march, and I was wondering why no one has given any attention, because it is obviously WORKING (at least in the video)
So I assumed that I must have missed the story where someone showed it to be a hoax. But I think no one tried yet and there is still some hope.
I saw it posted in Quinn's thread, but everyone was busy in mud slinging there and I was waiting for that drama to end (with a tiny tiny hope of seeing something, but thank god it ended)

Anyway, PM inventors have a strange tendency to throw away the very first working model into trash or allow their dogs and girlfriends to do it for the sake of humanity and the story repeats every time. So this case is also suspicious. Even then, there is no harm trying, because its so simple.

I don't think it needs a bike wheel necessarily, any good wheel with a big weight on the rim will do. And the trick is to place the connecting rod exactly at a point on the wheel where the repulsion from the static magnet below it just manages to lift it back to the starting point.

So the major variables are the weight on the rim (which tries to turn the wheel down and opposes its lift back up), the force of magnet below (which pushed the wheel up against the weight) and the timing of events( exactly when should the magnets approach each other, during the rotation position of the weight)

Well, not so simple anyway :D
 
Meanwhile a replication by someone : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b73vKnCp2s4

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Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2008, 10:14:19 PM »
Just realised I shot the video in 16:1 wide screen and downloaded as 640*480, I am not that skinny really  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2008, 01:51:34 AM »
Greetings All

 This individual known as itsblockdog at youtube, is in conversation with me about wheels and how to improve them. Our goal is to eliminate the problematic possibilities, and get some real power out of them. This is all I can tell you at this time.  Also it is having to weight till I finish with currant projects but the planning stage has started.

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Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2008, 01:36:15 PM »
Just an idea...on how to implement this wheel.

The whole thing is based on the assumption that the attractive force of magnets shall be strong enough to lift the weight back up to the starting point....and the weight shall be enough to pull them apart again. Is it possible??

There are two sticky spots (when the weight is right at top and exact bottom), but flywheel action (or asymmetry) should take care of that.

The slot is there to restrict the "piston" in a vertical path, as the inventor complained that the whole thing flies off at high speeds. Any other arrangement will do btw.

He also says that the "wobble" works better, so leaving a play for that should improve it.

Anyway best of luck to those who are replicating !!
 

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Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2008, 01:38:20 PM »
My guess on how it should work.

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Re: Gravity Magnetic Motor
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2008, 03:03:53 PM »
I am surprised that more people have not tried this one as seems one of the easier replications.

I havent got a Bike wheel, so thought I would try the concept out with a weighted small wheel first before spending money hehe

I used one of my old magnet wheels and some strong neo's down the bottom. Then used Neo's on the top wheel as weights till I got the balance right as can be seen in the video below.

I think the stroke is too long and hence pulls the ring magnet too far out, with a bike wheel I should be able to bring that in shorter by sliding it along the spokes.

Will post more soon.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/omega1.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/omega2.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/omega3.jpg)

Video link below showing me playing with adding magnets.

http://www.overunity.org.uk/omega/CLaNZeRplayingwiththeOMEGAMotor1.wmv

Cheers

Sean.


Hi Sean,
I had a very quick play with this setup when the link was first posted very intresting but more to the point it did start me thinking again about tri-gate arrays and what if's. The rod end takes a elliptical motion so why not fix a roller mag on the end of the rod then have 2 fixed sets arrays at the bottom either side of the roller mag pushing the rod up on one side then pulling down on the other then then lay the whole thing flat so it will not have to fight gravity. It is something I do intend to have a play with. I hope you know what I am trying to say.    If not and your intrested let me know and i will try a draw it for you.

edit: managed to draw something up quick to try and show what I mean.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2008, 03:46:55 PM by gwhy! »

 

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