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Author Topic: Most efficient method of electrolysis?  (Read 27989 times)

Online ramset

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Re: Most efficient method of electrolysis?
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2008, 03:00:54 AM »
SPROCKET I bet we could use that water [oxygen saturated] as a fuel also      Chet
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Re: Most efficient method of electrolysis?
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2008, 04:15:10 AM »
Yes, or if that didn't work out, maybe a good drinks mixer!  I wonder what o2 saturated water tastes like... :)
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Re: Most efficient method of electrolysis?
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2008, 04:19:46 PM »
Quote from: ramset on April 17, 2008, 12:55:54 PM
Bob Boyce has  a DC circuit as described above for running cars   HUGE HHO production!!! 
50 litres per minute running and 100lpm peak, from 12 volt at 32 amps. It is quite a lot of work. Try this:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/D9.pdf
A much easier system is the smack, mentioned here, and available at this address:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Smack.pdf
Paul.
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Re: Most efficient method of electrolysis?
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2008, 03:10:50 AM »
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Offline Magnethos

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Re: Most efficient method of electrolysis?
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2008, 01:38:08 PM »
I think the typical electrolysis method won?t be as efficient as we would desire. Using electrodes inside water to obtain hydrogen is a method that we will obtain a little quantity of hydrogen. We?ll stay in one interval, where the people who make a better electrolyser will obtain more hydrogen, and the people who make a worse electrolyser will obtain less hydrogen. But the interval has a limit in the maximum point of the interval and everyone that want to get more hydrogen using the same method, will obtain a limited hydrogen quantity.

If we want to go beyond of the maximum limit of the interval, we must to use another methods, or improve the mentioned method, using a more complex method. If you think other thing, you are hitting a big rock with your hands. The rock will take a long time to break.

So, now is the time to start thinking other ways to obtain hydrogen from the water. There are a lot of things to improve....
What about oxygen? can we use a motor where the hydrogen and the hydrogen would be used? Hydrogen in the gas engine and the oxygen in the other part of the engine. What about wireless electrolysis? What about stimulating water by frequencies? What about a lot of things?

Well, I have post my message and give you some ideas. They are here.
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Online ramset

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Re: Most efficient method of electrolysis?
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2008, 02:11:13 PM »
Magnethos  yes its a process of evolution to the best design   one thing the PWM thread with @Lanmasterd @Feynman @Z Monkey and others are working on a super duper idea that will work [with the talent there] look in if you haven't already   Chet
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Re: Most efficient method of electrolysis?
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2008, 02:37:05 PM »
Quote from: ramset on April 22, 2008, 02:11:13 PM
Magnethos  yes its a process of evolution to the best design   one thing the PWM thread with @Lanmasterd @Feynman @Z Monkey and others are working on a super duper idea that will work [with the talent there] look in if you haven't already   Chet

I?m not saying that people here aren?t working in a good idea. I think all people in this post are working to change the way that we obtain energy from water. I?m just saying that there are a lot of research to obtain that you want. And seriuosly, there is a lot a lot of work (maybe years). And I think that if you want to have a good result, you must to investigate a lot of factors and how these factors affects to electrolysis.

Another idea... Have you thought how revitalized water can modify the results?
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Re: Most efficient method of electrolysis?
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2008, 10:46:14 PM »
Quote from: Magnethos on April 22, 2008, 01:38:08 PM
What about wireless electrolysis? What about stimulating water by frequencies? What about a lot of things?

Well, I have post my message and give you some ideas. They are here.
Any links about this? I'm gumshoe just dipping my tip in. I shall troll around a bit for info.
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Re: Most efficient method of electrolysis?
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2008, 03:02:54 PM »
For "wireless"  :D http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07252/815920-85.stm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6vSxR6UKFM

About the efficiency measurements and gas production

Some have repeated in this forum the physical rule that if you feed higher voltage to the cell that is needed to break the water molecule, only heat is produced in this excess part of energy. Also has been told, that the water will boil in between the cell plates.
Now, I have noticed, with my lousy equipment that when adding unnecessary amount of electrical energy, the water temperature hardly changes at all. More gas is pouring out that has no signs of vapor or steam. Wouldn’t vapor or steam shrink when it cools down?
When the gas does not shrink, but it maintains its volume, what gas is it then if not HHO?

What about the comment “Mayer is not using current, but voltage to make HHO”
Does anybody have measurements and notes on experiment that verifies that using high voltage will give better efficiency than using low voltage, at the same total power input? Since if you don’t change your cell configuration or electrolyte, rising voltage will always cause more current to flow witch means that more total energy is consumed. When rising voltage, the cell plates must be moved more far apart each other to keep the current same, or the electrolyte must be changed to less conductive.
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Re: Most efficient method of electrolysis?
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2008, 03:25:51 PM »
@sulake
The John Kanzius method can be an example of a wireless electrolysis. I have also posted a link where you can see a guy that has made another wireless electrolysis method. The possibilities are endless. John Kanzius haven?t discovered any new, he as REdiscovered a technique. So, you can find information on the net about that process. I have read a little about that and the technique seems to be a coordinative resonance. But I repeat, the resonance must be COORDINATIVE (I think this the correct word, or maybe harmonic resonance).

Remember that Tesla said that you can get an enormous reaction if you make a resonance into an object. But you have to know the frequency, the power you need and other factors like resonance (I?m sure that must be more factors).

I don?t know why one of the top interests (or maybe the first) is researching about the usual electrolysis process. As you know, Stanley Meyer has some videos on youtube where you can see his car running on water. And I have seen a lot of plans explaining the processes and how to make a replication, and you can find that in the net, emule, etc... The demostration is made. What are you looking for?

And I repeat, there are a lot of very interesting things about water... you can obtain obtain energy from it with a lot of methods. But we must to research how we can make that. I think that the wireless electrolysis, reversible fuel cells, ultra efficient water heaters and a lot of things, are more interesting that the usual electrolysis.

About typical electrolysis, there are a lot of work made. Look at the videos on youtube, you can find a lot of them. And in the 95% of the tests... the technique used is the same. You have to change the method if you want to obtain a better way to get energy from water. I think that the typical electrolysis is a limited way.
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Re: Most efficient method of electrolysis?
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2008, 03:35:51 PM »
The Tom Bearden interview on ZPEnergy  at top left side of this forum  VERY interesting for HHo  Chet
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Offline Magnethos

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Re: Most efficient method of electrolysis?
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2008, 03:59:19 PM »
Here you have some videos on youtube that can help. Search:
Frequency Cures Cancer and Ignites Salt Water

I think that the ultraefficient water heater researcher was John Keely. In youtube you can see some videos if you look for
"water frequency"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACn00ykzn5Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxnEQssJ4FQ

Or maybe, you can make a replication of NoPoPo battery. No Pollution Power. This battery is activated by water and has a life of 10 years. Is very easy to do, the only thing you need is carbon and magnesium. Look in youtube for Susumu Suzuki.
This cell seems to be extremely easy to replicate and I haven?t seen a video until today of a replication.

resonance water heater and related
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4152567.html
http://members.fortunecity.com/timevehicle/14/14_k08.jpg&imgrefurl=http://members.fortunecity.com/timevehicle/free_energy.htm&h=497&w=658&sz=20&hl=es&start=63&um=1&tbnid=idaMXphPH-KDJM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=138&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dresonance%2Bwater%2Bheater%26start%3D60%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Des%26sa%3DN
http://members.fortunecity.com/timevehicle/fe_cell.htm

Water heater post and pictures, and explanation
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1414-daveys-water-heater-2.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4083.msg85981

All the links aren?t about water heater, but can help too.
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