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Author Topic: Bedini's Wooden Toys  (Read 21808 times)

Offline albert

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2008, 06:27:12 PM »
Hello,
let me chime in here. I have built several small and large Bedini motors as can be seen in the thread "bedini replication in Germany."
I think that john never said that the OU is in the motor. It seems to come up in the batteries when they are conditioned to the Bedini charging process. So trying to run the SSG with capacitors only is not going to work. I have recently remade my initial ol' bike wheel motor with a fixed axle and new bearings. This way I can run a mechanical switcher off the axis of the bike wheel. I tried to run on caps only and could not get it to work. Perhaps it will work with some more coils doing recovery.

John has always claimed that his other fundamental design, the window motor, can work off a cap. This is a totally different geometry from the SSG. the coil goes 360 degrees around the device.

so dont be disappointed in the SSG. If you run it slowly, don't force too much energy into the charging battery and switch batteries at the right moment, you can make it deliver about 2-3 times the energy the batteries were charged with initially. At least that is my experience.

the wooden toys on the shelf seen in the Bedini video certainly have coils and a battery, they remind me of some commercial toys that could be bought several years ago. they run forever on a small battery as they only need a pulse every couple of seconds. Nothing new here!

Albert

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2008, 06:27:12 PM »

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2008, 04:32:32 AM »
@koen1

so, for clarity:
more armchair quarterbacking.
more opinions about how it should be done by someone who has stated he wont do it.
more conditions to get you to do it.
more conjecture, no one in this thread has claimed the bedini sg to be the solution 'our' energy crisis. never did i say that hearsay was 'invalid', it is what it is... hearsay.

so its not possible that it is operator error that causes the batteries to go "deader than flat"? not proper impedance matching or any number of variables? it must be the machine? why not mention that? don't wanna make unfounded claims i know... see here's the gist... again, for clarity. you haven't built one so anything you say about it is hearsay. it is not hearsay when i speak of my experience or albert or ren does, because we have built replications. you say the wrong things because you haven't built one, example from your first post:
"Still find reports of batteries that have run such motors for years, then all of a sudden go ultra-dead, and then need to be put in a grid-powered charged to "recuperate", during which they pull several times the supposed total battery power before starting to recharge."
the batteries that RUN the motors aren't affected by this "deader than flat" problem, it is the CHARGE batteries that are.
the sg is not a powerhouse, it is a simple circuit to demonstrate the principle... what you do with that principle is up to you.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2008, 06:52:07 AM by WilbyInebriated »

Offline Koen1

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2008, 09:50:27 AM »
Yeah whatever dude. In many designs the run and charge batteries are the same thing.
But then again you seem to have serious trouble getting over the "SG" toy...

As far as the battery thing goes, it may have been "operator error", it may have been
bad batteries, it could be all kinds of stuff, but the main point it there was something
with the batteries going dead, even Bedini and Bearden noticed and mentioned it,
and you may not want to believe me but then at least do your own research into the
phenomenon instead of getting angry with me. It is not something I am trying to
sell you, it is something I know has been around and you, as the great Bedini motor
builder, might want to keep an eye on.
Do with it what you will, I'm out.

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2008, 09:50:27 AM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2008, 10:22:05 AM »
we are talking about the "bedini sg" here, don't try and squirm out of this with some claim of some other variation... here is the circuit to refresh your memory,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG:Schematic

where did i say i did not believe you? did i not in my last post state a little more clearly what you so horribly messed up? heres a quote from a post of yours from another thread chew on it for a bit...

"For someone who is constantly acting as if he is lecturing others and pointing out that they
are wrong, you are very good at overlooking your own enormous errors."

maybe i did misunderstand you... please show me in your first post where you gave the thread creator some positive encouragement to attempt a replication? all i saw was negative, first you came in stating "we" were all wrong for calling a bedini sg, great first impression... then later you claim its to avoid confusion with the searl generator. i think the bedini in front of the sg avoids that... you then expounded on a negative anomaly of the device, just enough to be negative and of course you couldn't go further without risking "unfounded claims". you then went on to tell us all how you would do it... if you were gonna. if someone does that you will jump on the band wagon with us... then later you ARE on the bandwagon with us? another neat trick ;)
then you made sure to tell us how this was suspicious to you, that no one seems to want to build it the way you think it should be done, followed by the summation about decennia even. all of this is encouraging to the first time builder how? no you didn't tell anyone NOT to build one but you sure painted a negative picture. you made sure not to encourage also... how unbiased ;)

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2008, 06:23:21 PM »
What do you want from me? You want me to cheer you on while you build another "SG"?
Dude, if you need positive stimulation to do your experiments, then find it yourself.
I just pointed out what I think is worth keeping an eye on with regard to the battery,
and that the huge difference you seem to see between the "SG" and all other Bedini motors
is not at all that big in my opinion. But then again, you have clearly indicated not to
care about my opinion as it is "only armchair expertise" in your opinion, so I wonder
why you even want to argue about it at all... your using a quote of mine that is completely
out of context does not really support your ... well, let's call it argument. In that thread
claims of complete OU prediction are made by a man who has yet to show any supporting
evidence for his own claims, while in this thread here I merely pointed out what others
have observed and reported with regard to the Bedini motors.
Since you seem to have trouble understanding it, I'll say it one last time:
I am not trying to sell you the story, I am just pointing it out to you. What you do with it
is your thing, since you're the one working on Bedini motors. If you refuse to look into
the possibility of the "deep cycle charge" thing that some have suggested, that is all
fine with me, I don't care what you do. I thought you might like to look into it,
since most researchers like to study a phenomenon from different angles,
but apparently you do not want to even consider the possibility. Fine with me man,
do what you like. It's your party.
When you manage to run your car off an "SG", don't forget to post it eh?  ;)

Oh, and by the way, this thread is titled "Bedinid's Wooden Toys", not "the SG thread",
so no, we are not necessarily and only talking about the "SG" like you seem to be saying.
And please don't use this as a handle for yet another useless argument.

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2008, 06:23:21 PM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2008, 08:53:24 AM »
since you seem to have trouble understanding it i will say it again... i want you to shut up.
what quote is out of context? and how do you come to the asinine conclusion that anyone thinks there is a "huge difference"? did anyone expound on these huge differences? if so i must have missed that, please show me where someone listed the "huge differences" or are you again making massive assumptions and conjecture? i have told you several times why i am willing to argue.
in the time it has taken you to post your negative "opinions" and argue you could have built and tested a bedini sg... oh yeah, too much hassle...whatever
i'll say it again, i'm not interested in your hearsay, i would bet no one is... if you have some data from your personal experience with a bedini sg please post it.
i HAVE looked into it, this "deep cycle charge issue", perhaps you missed that when i spoke of my 5v lithium tests. dr. peter lindemann spoke of this issue to some of us who were interested in replicating bedini's pendulum. i used a 5v to expedite the time it would take to run many charge/discharge cycles... again if you have any personal data great, if all you have is hearsay then shut up.

I DONT HAVE A CAR DUMB ASS, i stopped driving one over 5 years ago... i'm a doer not a talker.

yes the thread is titled ...wooden toys, BUT he stated he was going to build a bedini sg for his FIRST project. so yes, we are talking about his "toys" or the "SG" or you are off topic and derailing the thread... you didn't address the toy part of the subject, all you addressed was the sg part of the subject and as i mentioned earlier YOU WERE WRONG. then you tried to squirm out of that with some reference to some vague "sg" circuit where the run and charge batteries are the same thing (more bullshit). stop spreading disinformation.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2008, 11:09:18 AM by WilbyInebriated »

Offline Koen1

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2008, 10:53:38 AM »
I DONT HAVE A CAR DUMB ASS, i stopped driving one over 5 years ago... i'm a doer not a talker.
No, clearly you are a don'ter not a doer, otherwise you'd be driving a Bedini powered car or something.
How is abandoning a mode of transportation any solution to the shortage of fuel for that same mode?
That's almost like saying you solved the CO2 problem by removing the atmosphere ;)
Or like saying you solved the energy crisis: you stopped using energy.
Ok not really but you get the analogy and if you don't then tough luck.
Instead of actually moving forward, you moved back and call it forward.

Beside that, you're trying to give me a hard time about not adhering to the exact "SG" design,
trying to point out that other variations of the Bedini motors are somehow radically different and cannot
be compared at all, while you yourself then point out you have done tests with a lithium battery and
try to use that as an argument why my suggestions to look into "deep cycle charging" are invalid;
surely you see that your lithium battery version is in itself a variation of the "SG" an was not in the
original specs? So, mr consistency, how do you want to use your example of a variation as
proof that the original doesn't show "dsc", while at the same time getting upset with me for
not sticking solely to the original "SG" design when discussing the "dsc" phenomenon?
Exactly, that doesn't fly.

You're a whiner and an unfriendly asshole, that's what you are.
Now let's just both shut up about the entire thing and you can get back to playing with your toy,
while I can get back to my experiments. And this thread can die.

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2008, 10:53:38 AM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2008, 11:15:12 AM »
i dont need a car, but clean, renewable, sustainable energy has other uses...DUH
i "abandoned" a car because there are cleaner, cheaper forms of transportation... ie: a bicycle or walking. some might call this moving forward, you call it moving backwards. as i said earlier, you're entitled to your opinions.
your analogies are ludicrous and not relevent. ie: CO2 is not a "problem" it is plant food, if we didn't have CO2 we wouldn't have plants and then we wouldn't have much O would we... if  i "had" an energy crisis, to stop using it WOULD solve it...

im not giving you a "hard time" about not adhering to the exact "SG" design, i'm giving you a hard time about spreading hearsay and incorrect information. i think that is more than clear by now...
where did i point out that other variations of the Bedini motors are somehow radically different and cannot be compared at all?
you neglected to show me the out of context quote, and the "huge differences"... lets stick to one thing before you  open a new hole
keep diggin that hole you are in at the moment though, you are good at that...

i'll throw you a bone and let you know why i brought up using lithiums vrs lead acid, although i have used lead acids as well. in fact i will steal a quote from you to do it.
"...since most researchers like to study a phenomenon from different angles..."

i havent whined about anything, i have spent most of my time in this thread pointing out your numerous errors and misconceptions, as well as your massive conjectures and assumptions... unfriendly, maybe, but you had it coming...
« Last Edit: April 08, 2008, 11:50:00 AM by WilbyInebriated »

Offline Koen1

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2008, 11:40:14 AM »
do I hear shit bubbling?

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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2008, 11:43:19 AM »
nice response. i am very impressed with the  way you have addressed the points i brought up in my last post.
still waiting for the example of the out of context quote and explanation of how it was out of context...  AND the "HUGE differences"

expecting another sidestep...

Offline Koen1

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2008, 11:48:17 AM »
Yep, I heard shit bubbling.
 :D

If you can't even figure that one out, I'm not going to strain your brain either.
Apparently the difference between making claims and not substantiating them
and pointing out a phenomenon was often mentioned is already too difficlult for you.

And I don't know what world you live in, but there is a fairly nice
global consensus on the CO2 and global warming thing.
Saying it is not a problem is just silly. I bet you don't consider
the predicted rising sea levels as a problem either, because
water is good for plants? ;)

As for where you pointed out that my suggestions are invalid according
to you on the basis of me talking about different Bedini variations and
saying the "SG" is just a variation of the standard Bedini concept,
just read your own posts.
If you consider that invalid, then your own remarks about your lithium
battery variation are equally invalid. A variation is a variation.

But never mind, you're just going to produce more whining anyway.

So let's just drop the entire thing.

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2008, 11:53:18 AM »
yup another side step, whats up koen? have no ground to stand on anymore? can't be rational? i have asked you to provide evidence of your asisine assumptions and conjectures and all you can say is something about shit bubbling? thats all you've got left?

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2008, 11:59:24 AM »
Read the previous post.

No "sidesteps".

And since you're still not getting the difference:
I am not making claims, nor saying I have proof. Never did.
I was saying look into the deep cycle claims others made.
Now I'm saying shut up and let's drop this silliness.

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2008, 12:08:16 PM »
YES ANOTHER SIDESTEP, you didn't respond to  the HUGE DIFFERENCES OR THE OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTE.
i put them in all caps so you can't miss it this time....

yes you ARE making claims...
you claimed i quoted you out of context.
you claimed i said there were HUGE differences.
you claimed i said other variations of bedini motors are somehow radically different and cannot be compared at all.
you claimed in many designs the run and charge batteries are the same thing.
you claimed that your suggestions are invalid according to me on the basis of you talking about different bedini sg variations.
want me to go on picking your assumptions and conjectures apart? so you can avoid answering them?
« Last Edit: April 08, 2008, 12:33:48 PM by WilbyInebriated »

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Re: Bedini's Wooden Toys
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2008, 12:23:20 PM »
If you can't even figure any of that out you must be too dumb to understand.

I am not going to keep repeating the same things that you are unable
or unwilling to grasp.

Bye

 

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