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Author Topic: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?  (Read 6157 times)

Offline infringer

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Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
« on: March 24, 2008, 04:30:06 AM »
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4963203.html

If anyone seen thermite in action it gets extremely hot extremely fast...

I wonder if according to the patents under pressure it claims to vaporize things into gases I wonder if this is enough or rapid enough heat to break hydrogen bonds from differnt elements containing hydrogen specifically water?

What is the temperature at which hydrogen breaks its bond to oxygen in water as vaporization is said to break the bonds by some...

Anyhow another avenue to consider but a dangerous one for ametures like myself.

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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2008, 05:20:05 PM »
(http://physics.weber.edu/carroll/Wonder/images/3dz2.gif)

(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/atom-quantum.jpg)
Hydrogen Orbital Diagram

(http://img.sparknotes.com/figures/3/336c39c635a42c469abba5e3581ce9a3/fig1_27.gif)
Hydrogen bonding diagram


I *think* diatomic Hydrogen binds using that PI bond.   But it's been awhile since I studied this.  I think what you want has something to do with enthalpy of combustion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_enthalpy_change_of_formation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_enthalpy_change_of_formation_%28data_table%29


It seems to me you are looking at an energy hump of 285 kcal/mol.  This could be completely wrong because it's hard for me to remember all this stuff without doing a bunch of stoch problems.  You are best to grab a college chemistry text and try some of the excercizes.  In any case, remember this is in chemistry / thermodynamic conventional theory .  We are not examining resonance, tunneling, or any of the stranger aspects of quantum electrodynamics.  Hope this helps.

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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2008, 05:57:44 AM »
Thermite can easily produce hydrogen, it might get a bit violent though. Aluminium and iron can both reduce water it might work better with less Fe2O3 and replace it with Fe powder.

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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2008, 09:48:40 PM »
hi
please ignore if I'm wrong  :-\
but won't the thermite reaction  ignite the hydrogen / oxygen , given off ??? , or maybe this is what you
want to achieve ???

I'm sure this happens in foundry's when there is water in the casting mold when the moulten steel is poured in
the water is split into hho gas, and expands / explodes ... or does it expand into steam ???
anyway a lot of energy is given off  :o

thermite .... nasty stuff

all the best
sledgehammer

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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2008, 11:45:21 AM »
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but won't the thermite reaction  ignite the hydrogen / oxygen , given off
Most of the oxygen will react with the Aluminium or iron to form Fe2O3 and Al2O3.

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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2008, 02:34:22 AM »
Thermite seems really dangerous. How will you be able to contain all that heat?

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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2008, 11:57:42 PM »
We tried using thermite to fire a boiler. All the posts on that are on the old site at yahoo. Didn't notice any hydrogen production but then we were to scared to notice much. It was a crude experiment that produced a lot of power. The big boiler doing the river dance was not fun to be around. We did a Roswell type cleanup and dropped it. The government here doesn't like people with thermite.  There is a great British pyro group on the net and you don't need to join to get a link to the store for all your needs. If you join you can get help if you ask if you are making rocket fuel or something. Thermite can be used for that too.It's been years and I can't remember the address.

http://www.pyrosociety.org.uk/forum/index.php?showforum=8

http://www.angelfire.com/psy/boom/_Pyro_Handbook_.htm

Couple of links to get you started.

Some supply links.     http://www.pyropage.com/#Clubs

Don't see the German site I ordered from, they even had Uranium listed but they were always out, showed a small bottle with a little strip in it. I think that item was a con, lol.

Barium is used as a lead substitute. It's only one away on the periodic table from lead. Mag strips to start it. Hardest part is the material tries to separate after mixing the rust is far heavier that the aluminum oxide. Pressed in sulfur and baked at low heat solves that problem. look around there is lots of information to get you started. Good luck and find a gravel pit or something, solid rock, your back yard isn't big enough.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2008, 12:38:44 AM by raburgeson »

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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2008, 02:27:44 PM »
If this stuff is potentially dangerous, and easily accessible, then would not that mean someone attempting harm could get it?  That scares me!  Like some people wanting to mess with fusion and fission, and not in controlled environment and not so mentally balanced. :o

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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2008, 03:56:46 PM »
Better Link to patent

http://www.google.de/patents?id=rkwnAAAAEBAJ&dq=4963203

see also the patents taht are linked in this paper

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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2008, 11:24:32 AM »
Mistake in my above post. Bismuth is used as a lead substitute not Barium. I do battles against chemtrail activity and must have spilled over having Barium stuck in my mind. If you have no experience with high heat materials I recommend you get the aid of welders in your area and have at least a 1/8 long ton of cast iron chips to smother a fire with. This stuff will burn through concrete, steel, the ground, it can get away from you. You will need heat barriers and protective clothing. be sure to cover the area just below your welding helmet to protect your neck.

Easy access isn't the word for it, it's what every old car owner is driving. This is not a secret, pyrotechnics have employed thermite for years. Why not use it for fuel, it's not going to make the substance more available. It's not going to either put it into or, take it away from the mentally unbalanced. I tried it and did not commit an act of terrorism with it. All this government fear mongering taking it's toll is it?

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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2008, 11:50:04 PM »
Here's something interesting to think about
http://www.physorg.com/news98556080.html

Aluminum-gallium alloy that spontaneously releases hydrogen from water when mixed together, oxygen reacts with aluminum. Gallium is there just to prevent aluminum oxide to coat the surface, and it is not consumed in the process.

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Re: Could thermite produce hydrogen ?
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