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Author Topic: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)  (Read 20360 times)

Offline Dgraphic911

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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2008, 05:04:21 PM »
Thanks for the insight, i sometimes wonder why noone else has done this and then i am reminded. Your thought process is great. Keep up the good work  ;D

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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2008, 05:08:32 PM »
Also, here is my wheel study

Weights at right angels (That Must Move) (Energy Rate: 1 - 5/Weak - Strong)
Single weights (That Must Move) (Energy Rate: 1 - 5/Weak - Strong)
Balanced weights (That Cannot Move)
Overbalanced wheels (That Must Move) (Energy Rate: 1 - 5/Weak - Strong)
Strength of Different Balances (Balance Rate 1 - 5/Unstable - Stable)

« Last Edit: March 25, 2008, 11:22:05 PM by Alexioco »

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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2008, 06:17:44 PM »
Have you done these on a wheel ????

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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2008, 06:17:44 PM »
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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2008, 10:10:45 PM »
someone should try replicating this with working model 2d.

download your copy here:
http://workingmodel.design-simulation.com/WM2D/download.php

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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2008, 10:29:34 PM »
Have you done these on a wheel ????

No, I know from looking at them...
Best to make sure though :)

Also, I am going to try that link, I will try to make my wheel on it, anyone eles who knows how to use the progam want to try too? Seen as I ahve never used it...

Edit: Ok, it says the file is corrupt, but I can use /NCRC command line.
Then it says Not Recomended

Whats this then?

P.S
1. I am going to try them on a wheel now
2. I have some wood for my wheel to start

Ok I have tried them all, I got only 1 wrong and one a little miss understood so, not bad for just drawing them and knowing from looking, I must admit though, after testing them, I now have learnt more from them, there are many different things here to learn, if you combined some of these, you will surely get perpetual motion, some of these swing the wheel thurther than you would think, so by aranging and combinding weights with some kind of movement out of these tests, you might find it...

Now, if I look at my wheel, and compare it with my tests/studies, I can finally get an answer as to weather it will truly work, if not, then I can look at my studies and work off my wheel and improve it, by the way, I am happy to share this with you all, you may test your wheels using this if you like :)

Ok I just tested my theory below to see if my wheel has a chance of working, the answer is yes, but only just, never the less, it should work...
Wheel A did over come wheel B through its already existing movement...
(Look below to see the test)

This is how I just tested to see if my wheel will work

The Theory/Test
« Last Edit: March 26, 2008, 12:30:39 AM by Alexioco »

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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2008, 12:36:21 AM »
Gravity wheels cannot work.  They are impossible.  Want to know why?  It's because the very weight you are trying to use to make the wheel spin must somehow be brought back up to the top of the wheel.  So there is nothing to gain, see?  Whatever kinetic energy the weight gives, it requires the exact same amount to convert back to potential energy (i.e. get back to the top of the wheel).

Ah, you say are going to use momentum and bla bla bla bla.  It won't work.  Just think about what I said above, and then you will realize that gravity wheels are hopeless.  Can't be done.  You are just playing with weights and levers, and we all know that leverage produces no excess energy.

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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2008, 01:04:29 AM »
Gravity wheels cannot work.  They are impossible.  Want to know why?  It's because the very weight you are trying to use to make the wheel spin must somehow be brought back up to the top of the wheel.  So there is nothing to gain, see?  Whatever kinetic energy the weight gives, it requires the exact same amount to convert back to potential energy (i.e. get back to the top of the wheel).

Ah, you say are going to use momentum and bla bla bla bla.  It won't work.  Just think about what I said above, and then you will realize that gravity wheels are hopeless.  Can't be done.  You are just playing with weights and levers, and we all know that leverage produces no excess energy.

Well, if you think it's impossible, then what is your point in being here? I respect your comment, I understand what you are saying, It's like a pendulum, it does not swing quite as high as it started off,
if it did then perpetual motion would already exist, but it doesnt, meaning there is energy loss etc, but if that pendulum had another one placed at a right angle behind it, then it would swing higher than it started, so it is this that has to be put into a wheel, and kept, and the only way to keep it is by having some sort of movement...

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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2008, 01:17:46 AM »
Gravity wheels cannot work.  They are impossible.  Want to know why?  It's because the very weight you are trying to use to make the wheel spin must somehow be brought back up to the top of the wheel.  So there is nothing to gain, see?  Whatever kinetic energy the weight gives, it requires the exact same amount to convert back to potential energy (i.e. get back to the top of the wheel).

Ah, you say are going to use momentum and bla bla bla bla.  It won't work.  Just think about what I said above, and then you will realize that gravity wheels are hopeless.  Can't be done.  You are just playing with weights and levers, and we all know that leverage produces no excess energy.

Well, if you think it's impossible, then what is your point in being here? I respect your comment, I understand what you are saying, It's like a pendulum, it does not swing quite as high as it started off,
if it did then perpetual motion would already exist, but it doesnt, meaning there is energy loss etc, but if that pendulum had another one placed at a right angle behind it, then it would swing higher than it started, so it is this that has to be put into a wheel, and kept, and the only way to keep it is by having some sort of movement...

I hold out hope for free energy, but gravity wheels are a dead end.  I may be being overly blunt, but on the other hand, if what I say saves you or someone else hours or weeks or months of effort, then it was good for me to say it.

I admit I did not comprehend exactly what you said about the pendulums, but nothing to do with swinging or moving weights has any hope of working.  There is just no getting around the fact that every weight that drops must be lifted back up to the original position.  At best, all you can have is an initially unbalanced position which creates temporary movement.  And even this is not free.  You paid for it in advance by using your own energy to create the unbalanced position.

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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2008, 02:00:15 AM »
Gravity wheels cannot work.  They are impossible.  Want to know why?  It's because the very weight you are trying to use to make the wheel spin must somehow be brought back up to the top of the wheel.  So there is nothing to gain, see?  Whatever kinetic energy the weight gives, it requires the exact same amount to convert back to potential energy (i.e. get back to the top of the wheel).

Ah, you say are going to use momentum and bla bla bla bla.  It won't work.  Just think about what I said above, and then you will realize that gravity wheels are hopeless.  Can't be done.  You are just playing with weights and levers, and we all know that leverage produces no excess energy.

Well, if you think it's impossible, then what is your point in being here? I respect your comment, I understand what you are saying, It's like a pendulum, it does not swing quite as high as it started off,
if it did then perpetual motion would already exist, but it doesnt, meaning there is energy loss etc, but if that pendulum had another one placed at a right angle behind it, then it would swing higher than it started, so it is this that has to be put into a wheel, and kept, and the only way to keep it is by having some sort of movement...

I hold out hope for free energy, but gravity wheels are a dead end.  I may be being overly blunt, but on the other hand, if what I say saves you or someone else hours or weeks or months of effort, then it was good for me to say it.

I admit I did not comprehend exactly what you said about the pendulums, but nothing to do with swinging or moving weights has any hope of working.  There is just no getting around the fact that every weight that drops must be lifted back up to the original position.  At best, all you can have is an initially unbalanced position which creates temporary movement.  And even this is not free.  You paid for it in advance by using your own energy to create the unbalanced position.

I agree with "You paid for it in advance by using your own energy to create the unbalanced position."
and also "if what I say saves you or someone else hours or weeks or months of effort, then it was good for me to say it."
You can't get something for nothing, as something has to be made first, but, i disagree with "but nothing to do with swinging or moving weights has any hope of working."
You need a weight to swing, to get past the part of where it is no use... so it may as well rise other than dangle at the bottom...
Also, when it the weight has swung, it has to rise, mind you, if it has less to rise, it must have less to fall... but the top weight takes care of that in my case...

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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2008, 08:35:22 AM »
i don't know what is wrong with the software. works for me and i haven't heard a complaint, your the first. maybe it's your pc i don't know.

oh and you should build this wheel right away and show us the result on video.


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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2008, 01:22:09 PM »

Gravity wheels cannot work.  They are impossible.  Want to know why?  It's because the very weight you are trying to use to make the wheel spin must somehow be brought back up to the top of the wheel.  So there is nothing to gain, see?  Whatever kinetic energy the weight gives, it requires the exact same amount to convert back to potential energy (i.e. get back to the top of the wheel).

Ah, you say are going to use momentum and bla bla bla bla.  It won't work.  Just think about what I said above, and then you will realize that gravity wheels are hopeless.  Can't be done.  You are just playing with weights and levers, and we all know that leverage produces no excess energy.

I strenuously believe it does'nt require the same amount of energy to convert back to ptoential energy (i.e. get back to the top)

Gravity wheels can do work if one can break out of his/her own mindset.



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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2008, 01:59:36 PM »
I wonder how many people have had the correct solution for the wheel only to come to a site like this and read a few of hte posts, Hundreds saying they have it and everyone should stop what they are doing, hundreds more saying everyone else is wrong. The irony of these sites. Do they hurt or help?

Alex should build his wheel, so should everyone, whatever your vice, whether it be  cigarettes, liqour ETC ETC, internet, sports. take that money and waste it on the search for perpetual/gravity wheel. There is hundreds of millions of dollars wasted on much worse things than being a creative person.

Maybe not having sports teams to live vicariously through, internet to waste hours surfing on and the rest of the things that have turned the planet into consumers of if other than protectors of it is what made it easier for Bessler and others create their inventions. Working with your hands and being desparate for something is whats needed for most.

Most importantly the need to ignore all others.

@alex

Whether your ideas works or not on paper is not the issue. What it does when you build it is the most important thing. Not whether or not it works but what you can learn from what it does.

If your in the NE USA then let me know, i'll build it for you one weekend if you stop by. I have many spare wheels that you can experiment with and learn a great deal in a very short time.


i'll lock up the finished one. LOL  ;)

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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2008, 04:08:29 PM »
I wonder how many people have had the correct solution for the wheel. . .

Zero.  Look, I agree that it is good to do things, and clearly you can learn this way.  But maybe we could build things that have a shot at working, like a backyard deck or something.

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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2008, 04:15:35 PM »
i built my house, then the deck and then several cars from scratch, I'm running out of things to build that work. Why not work on something that won't.

i just don't have the talent to cure disease, or the tools. so i figured PM would be setting my goals just high enought to keep the ball in sight. LOL

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Re: Perpetual Motion Wheel Design (Quite Simple)
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2008, 05:18:36 PM »
I now have the wood to start my wheel, I'm English by the way :)
Anyway, I will cut my wheel out, cut out a rim and bend it using boiling water, then that's the first step done...

By the way, I have come up with a new thing; I call it ?GPRM? or ?Gravity Powered Release Mechanisms? I have a few ways to release a weight at anytime I choose when moving on a wheel.

(Pic will be posted soon)

 

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