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Author Topic: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator  (Read 106720 times)

Offline T-1000

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #75 on: February 04, 2016, 08:34:06 PM »
Moved from Dally thread:

Hi T-1000. Thanks for the info. For now, my focus is on trying to replicate as reasonably close as I can your Lithuania experiment setup in which you guys
made use of the ferrite yoke core.  I have a yoke core of what appears to be about the same size, although I can't say if the material composition
is close or the same as the yoke core you guys used. I have previously posted the markings on my yoke core.

Yes, I saw Wesley's warning that some participants suffered some ill effects and that this setup might possibly generate radiation.
If I start to see any unusual effects such as over unity with this setup, I may possibly invest in a small portable geiger counter to measure
radiation levels. However, for now my focus will be on just trying to replicate the setup you guys used.

I have a few questions on the yoke core experiment setup, if you have a few minutes at some point.

1)
Were you able to see the over unity effect with no high voltage spark gap discharges applied to the horizontal
winding wrap of copper strap around one half of the yoke core? My understanding is that you were able to see
the over unity effect without these HV discharges applied, but at lower power levels. Just want to confirm this point.
We simulated spark gap signal without high voltage. The copper strip had freewheeling LC circuit on the core

2)
Should I place the horizontal copper strap wrap underneath the two vertically wound primary windings, or underneath
the output vertically wound bifilar winding?
Please see http://overunity.com/4333/meyer-mace-isotopic-nmr-generator/msg339192/#msg339192

3)
Were you able to see the over unity effect with no earth ground connection to any of the windings or light bulb load?
Were you able to see the overunity effect with no scope probe leads connected to any of the windings?
Just want to understand if an earth ground connection might have been a factor when you were seeing over unity.
We always used ground connection as I remember. That was 5 years ago already.
The scope probes was not required after tuning.

4)
I think I know the answer to this, but I just want to make sure I am clear about this.
Is the output bifilar winding connected with the two bifilar winding sections connected such that their
inductance is additive (non-cancelling) or were the two halves connected with the winding inductances cancelling?

The schematic says 150 turns. Does this mean the total turns of both bifilar windings included together?
It was simple bifilar coil , no cw-ccw windings.

5)
The schematic posted by Wesley shows capacitors were connected in parallel to the output bifilar windings.
What total capacitance value was used when you were seeing overunity, and what was the intended purpose for these capacitors?
Was the total capacitance value chosen for resonance with the output windings at some particular frequency? If so, what frequency were
you aiming for as the resonance frequency?
The capacitor in parallel helped to tune maximum output. The memory is blurry about capacitance values.

And as I mentioned in http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg473042/#msg473042
the common materials in yoke core and other NMR places was Cobalt and Barium.
For the assembly the effect was partialy replicated by ZeroFossilFuel - http://alt-nrg.org/Kapanadze.html

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #75 on: February 04, 2016, 08:34:06 PM »

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #76 on: February 04, 2016, 10:01:15 PM »
Moved from Dally thread:
We simulated spark gap signal without high voltage. The copper strip had freewheeling LC circuit on the corePlease see http://overunity.com/4333/meyer-mace-isotopic-nmr-generator/msg339192/#msg339192We always used ground connection as I remember. That was 5 years ago already.
The scope probes was not required after tuning.It was simple bifilar coil , no cw-ccw windings.The capacitor in parallel helped to tune maximum output. The memory is blurry about capacitance values.

And as I mentioned in http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg473042/#msg473042
the common materials in yoke core and other NMR places was Cobalt and Barium.
For the assembly the effect was partialy replicated by ZeroFossilFuel - http://alt-nrg.org/Kapanadze.html

Thanks for the feedback T-1000!
I didn't see where ZeroFossilFuel posted about any results he had in his tests.
Do you recall what sort of results he saw?

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #77 on: February 04, 2016, 10:11:24 PM »
Seems like this is yet another project that fell asleep.
It has not.  It just has moved to a different forum.

Furthermore, it was mentioned that the frequency of 21MHz must be matched precisely. I think that is wrong. In NMR nuclear magnetic resonance,  the resonance can be achieved by any frequency, if the magnetic field has the right strength. For instance with the earths magnetic field, resonance can be achieved with a few kilohertz.
Indeed, the NMR frequency of hydrogen, water and other paramagnetics increases linearly with magnetic flux density.
...but that is not true with bulk solid iron.

Iron's nuclear resonance frequency stays constant at 45.5MHz up to 0.6T and decreases at higher magnetic flux densities.
See the graph below.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2016, 12:32:18 AM by verpies »

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #78 on: February 04, 2016, 10:13:29 PM »
Thanks for the feedback T-1000!
I didn't see where ZeroFossilFuel posted about any results he had in his tests.
Do you recall what sort of results he saw?
http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg317589/#msg317589

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #79 on: February 04, 2016, 10:31:54 PM »
http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg317589/#msg317589

Hi T-1000. Ok, I see. :) You can actually get that sort of effect where spark gap discharges are freezing up
or otherwise messing up computers and various other types of electronics equipment all around the house, 
which I believe is due to HV transients covering a wide frequency spectrum feeding back into the mains and traveling
around the mains wiring to various equipment in the house. Some equipment that is nearby and not mains connected
can also still be affected that way as well due to the strong radiated EM noise in the vicinity of the spark gap. I have
had this happening a few times several years ago when I was doing a lot of experiments with different spark gap circuits. :)
I don't think there is necessarily anything unusual with such an effect when sparkgaps are involved.

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #80 on: February 04, 2016, 10:38:03 PM »
With transients from spark gap the usual standing wave/noise zone range is less than 10 meters. When you get "even prevented my daughter from streaming music to her laptop 50 meters away" it might been something on top of that. Also you can always ask himself about this event.

Cheers!

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #81 on: February 04, 2016, 10:56:08 PM »
With transients from spark gap the usual standing wave/noise zone range is less than 10 meters. When you get "even prevented my daughter from streaming music to her laptop 50 meters away" it might been something on top of that. Also you can always ask himself about this event.
Cheers!

Hi T-1000. As I mentioned in my previous reply, I have seen this same sort of effect where electronics
equipment all around the house, even at quite a distance, can be affected by spark gap discharges, especially
if HV wideband noise is feeding back into the mains wiring. Once that happens it can easily travel though the mains wiring
all around the house. I have seen these exact same sort of effects in the past when testing with spark gap circuits of
different types. Under some conditions it can be really bad. I have had computers freeze up or had USB connected devices
freeze up, etc., all at quite a distance away from where I was doing my testing. Spark gaps can generate some very strong
electrical and radiated EM noise all through the EM spectrum. :) 


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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #82 on: February 05, 2016, 05:23:32 PM »
Hi T-1000, Verpies.
I have reviewed some more videos made by Wesley about the experiment
and tuning details, however I still have a couple more questions about this.

From comments made by Wesley, it looks like the 50 turns winding was being fed with
a waveform of some type in the range of 400 kHz to 600 kHz for some reason. Also it was mentioned by
Weslely that the 50 Hz waveform being fed to the 15 turns winding was a ramp waveform, but I could not find
any clarification on that either. Were the exact waveform types being used from each of the two
signal generators, and whether or not there was any DC offset applied to either waveform, and
the specific frequencies that were being used when the 150 Watt light was lighting up documented somewhere?
All the best...

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #83 on: February 05, 2016, 05:35:09 PM »
From comments made by Wesley, it looks like the 50 turns winding was being fed with
a waveform of some type in the range of 400 kHz to 600 kHz for some reason.
This was most close resonant harmonics in kHz range to ferrite core resonant frequency. The 50T coil won't accept 1.3+MHz frequency. And that frequency also should add with low magnetization frequency of 50Hz so you get resonant sine wave inside of 50Hz carrier sine wave. The square signal duty cycle was <30% to simulate spikes.

Also it was mentioned by
Weslely that the 50 Hz waveform being fed to the 15 turns winding was a ramp waveform, but I could not find
any clarification on that either.
The the 1st source of 50Hz sine wave was used from 9V 1A mains transformer for tuning in beginning of tuning.
It is carrier wave and core magnetization required for NMR condition.

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #84 on: February 05, 2016, 05:46:10 PM »
This was most close resonant harmonics in kHz range to ferrite core resonant frequency. The 50T coil won't accept 1.3+MHz frequency. And that frequency also should add with low magnetization frequency of 50Hz so you get resonant sine wave inside of 50Hz carrier sine wave. The square signal duty cycle was <30% to simulate spikes.

The the 1st source of 50Hz sine wave was used from 9V 1A mains transformer for tuning in beginning of tuning.
It is carrier wave and core magnetization required for NMR condition.

Thanks T-1000. When you were lighting the 150 Watt light bulb in the video, were you using the signal generator
rather than the 9V 1A transformer to supply the 50 Hz waveform to the 15 turns winding?

P.S. The reason I want to be clear about this is because testing my ferrite yoke core with 32 windings on it, I
measure an inductance of 850 uH with both halves of the yoke core clamped tightly together, and quite
a bit lower inductance than that if there is a gap between the two yoke halves.

850 uH at 50 Hz is a reactance of only 0.27 ohms. This is with a 32 turn winding. At 15 turns, the reactance
of the winding would be about half of that. This looks like pretty much a short circuit to a signal generator set at 50 Hz
with an output impedance of 50 ohms. I understood from Wesley's videos that you guys were using two signal
generators only to drive the yoke core windings, but based on my tests, a 15 turn winding (on my OC-90 yoke core anyway)
will load a signal generator's output right down to almost zero volts due to the very low impedance of the 15 turn
winding at 50 Hz.

« Last Edit: February 05, 2016, 08:20:19 PM by Void »

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #85 on: February 05, 2016, 11:07:14 PM »
From comments made by Wesley, it looks like the 50 turns winding was being fed with
a waveform of some type in the range of 400 kHz to 600 kHz for some reason. Also it was mentioned by
Weslely that the 50 Hz waveform being fed to the 15 turns winding was a ramp waveform,
Yes, they tried sine, sawtooth and rectangular waveforms to see which one worked best.  I think ramp was the best and rectangular was the worst. They also tried using a 1:25 transformer (1A) to better match to the low impedance of the yoke winding.  I also remember a DC offset being tried, that was larger than the amplitude of the AC signal in order to make the signal unipolar (not reversing polarity).  Tiger's latest experiment demonstrates that a permanent magnet can have the same effect as the DC bias.

Please keep in mind, that coils don't "care" about voltage - they "care" only about current in their windings.

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #86 on: February 05, 2016, 11:49:29 PM »
Yes, they tried sine, sawtooth and rectangular waveforms to see which one worked best.  I think ramp was the best and rectangular was the worst. They also tried using a 1:25 transformer (1A) to better match to the low impedance of the yoke winding.  I also remember a DC offset being tried, that was larger than the amplitude of the AC signal in order to make the signal unipolar (not reversing polarity).  Tiger's latest experiment demonstrates that a permanent magnet can have the same effect as the DC bias.

Hi Verpies. Ok, thanks. I think I at least have the general idea now regarding the setup, even
if some specific details are not quite so clear. :)


Please keep in mind, that coils don't "care" about voltage - they "care" only about current in their windings.

It would depend on what you are trying to do, but in this case it appears that a good
current into the 15 turns windings is possibly what is needed.

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #87 on: February 06, 2016, 02:09:53 AM »
This was most close resonant harmonics in kHz range to ferrite core resonant frequency. The 50T coil won't accept 1.3MHz frequency.
I'd like to point out that:

1.3MHz * 35 = 45.5MHz
650kHz * 70 = 45.5MHz
500kHz * 91 = 45.5MHz

Read this if you missed why 45.5MHz is special.

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #88 on: February 06, 2016, 04:44:15 AM »
I'd like to point out that:

1.3MHz * 35 = 45.5MHz
650kHz * 70 = 45.5MHz
500kHz * 91 = 45.5MHz

Read this if you missed why 45.5MHz is special.

Hi Verpies. I have saved that graphic for Iron NMR.
It is something worth keeping in mind for sure.



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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #89 on: November 18, 2019, 04:47:17 PM »
Interesting topic... has anyone continued experimenting on this ?

 

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