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Author Topic: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator  (Read 104528 times)

Offline MasterPlaster

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2012, 10:05:15 PM »
Thanks. It does look like an interesting article. Does anyone know a good translator? The google one only translates half of the document.

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #62 on: October 08, 2012, 06:29:07 PM »
Thanks. It does look like an interesting article. Does anyone know a good translator? The google one only translates half of the document.
I've found that if you keep reloading the doc in the google translate page it eventually gets the whole doc.  It may take 3 or 4 times (or more if it's a very large page) to get the whole thing. 

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #63 on: December 13, 2012, 03:31:49 AM »
Everything you want to know about NMR is in these 10 videos on the tube...  All 3 coils are explained and he tells a lot about getting all the vectors to align up and spin together..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aRKAXD4dAg

Here is a patent that looks like what you guys are working on....

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4590427.pdf

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2013, 12:53:07 AM »
 I have been led to believe that NMR is not active in Fe56 because it has a spin of 0 not to mention that Fe54 also has a spin of 0. Therefor transmutation of iron 56 to 54 via NMR cannot work. So if this device does work its transmuting through a different process; and that different process is not Electron paramagnetic resonance.
I know that the copper device sheading electrons was said to have a working or activating frequency of 172,753.867Hz. Using a known NMRF of copper and the magnetic strength setting I found that Cu63 would need a 153 gauss magnetic field and Cu65 would need a 142 gauss magnetic field; all way under .5 Tesla. Now what if the oscillator is providing both magnetic field and nuclear resonant frequency at the same time? Maybe the reason the frequency is so specific is not due to being harmonic of NMR but that the target magnetic field only exists for a fraction of time. Maybe Meyer did this to make it more efficient to stimulate the copper. If he used an extra magnetic field he would draw more power and he would have to adjust his frequency to compensate for the additive magnetic field of the oscillator for points in time.
 

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #65 on: August 23, 2013, 03:13:32 PM »
CTI,

there is no mention of the core-material used in the Meyer-Mace-device.

If NMR should have any effect then certain elements must be present:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKkcdfSdt5Q&feature=c4-overview&list=UU1ZrGlkxBvG9WOwIs2eApLA

Watch this closely.

In the russian yoke-experiment some time ago they found that the russian tv-yoke was magnetized and this indicates "hard-ferrite"-material which is used for permanent-magnets. So cobalt59 might be the key.

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2013, 06:39:52 PM »
 Kator01,


I agree the Meyer core material of his iron transmutation generator must use an activator of non-zero spin material(s) such as cobalt59 if NMR is involved. I have had a tube monitor deflection cores and power supply toroid’s measured with an XRF and they show some cobalt and other non-spin elements.
In the Colman device the elements that are NMR active are Co59, Cu63, Cu65, and P31. However we know that the NMR frequencies of those elements are all below 202.404 MHz for a 11.744T magnetic field. So with an activation frequency of around 300Mhz a static magnetic field would have to be around 17 Tesla. I don’t think that is in the realm of replicate at home, but then like I said in my previous post there must be another process of NMR activation. If you look at the Colman device the magnetic field is in oscillation in the order of around 300MHz it’s not static as well as the addition of an electric field influence to the material. It could be possible elements are activated in an order by given amount of time and by the variation in magnetic and electric fields that allow the activation of all those elements.  I will note in both the Colman and Meyer device setup show not only magnetic influence but electric field interaction.

Michel Meyer

      The polarizer that’s  attached to the + of the battery  in the French magazine article.
      Czech patent 284,333: {figure 1-figure4}, point 4 and 12.


Harold Victor Colman & Ronald Gillespie
      European patent GB763062: {figure1-figure3} point 16, 15, with (19 and 18) or 27.


I think it’s a mixture of both magnetic and electric fields that allow these devices to activate and work.
 

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #67 on: August 24, 2013, 06:12:48 PM »
In our TV delfection yoke Lithuanian experiment it was not so strong 50Hz magnetic field circulating over 15 turns from 9V 1A transformer.
To cause mechanical resonance (consider that on atom spins levels) it takes very weak force to accumulate energy to the level where atom energy is released on its breakdown. If you could harness energy of atoms directly, 1g of matter would give much more energy than any todays nuclear plant could give in form of electricity...

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2013, 03:23:24 PM »
  I agree (at this point in time - anyway) that it requires both the magnetic field and electric field (RF) cause the material or compounds neclui to become unstable, (as stated in the Colman Patent). At first reading I got the impression that the coils which produced the magnetic field (in the Colman Device) was only used as a governer to control the rate of alpha and beta emissions (as indicated in the patent) which may be the case, once the reaction is started, - but - after learning only enough to be dangerous about NMR, I believe (at this point in time, anyway) that the magnetic field may be necessary to start the reaction. The Colman patent indicates (by the design of the magnetic coils (15) pole pieces (14)) that there is a concentration of the magnetic field at several points along the tube (13) containing the reactive compound (located between the zink and copper pouder). If I had to guess, I would say that at each one of the strongest magnetic points of the pole pieces (14) is where the reactive compound (in the glass tube (13) is located. The patent talks about multipal cells (each cell consisting of (copper powder - reactive compound - zink powder). It seems likely to me that the highest comcentration of the magnetic field would be at these locations. By using the multipal cells, it may be easier to obtain a stronger magnetic field (at multipal pin - point concentration points) rather then by using a single larger magnetic field.  The patent drawing shows the pole piece (14) having two points of magnetic concentration points, indicating to me that colman used more than one point, but could be any number over and above what is indicated in the drawing, which is typical of patents.

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #69 on: January 17, 2015, 01:34:41 PM »
Seems like this is yet another project that fell asleep.


Which is sad since it may have the potential to deliver some kilowatts out of a shoebox size device, like for 2400 hours.


Just a few things I want to add here. FE 54 is normally harmless, but the teaction will release free neutrons. Depending on the amount of exposure, these can be harmfull, see wikipedia, neutron. Lead shielding was mentioned, but that does not stop neutrons.


Water will do so. So this reactor needs to be in inside a water tank, eg. in a sealed box under water, or behind 6 walls containing water. Even concrete may shield rather well, as it contains crystal water.


However, when neutrons collide with matter with a certain speed, they may also cause beta and gamma radiation. So an additional Lead shield may be good.


Furthermore, it was mentioned that the frequency of 21mhz must be matched precisely. I think that is wrong. In NMR nuclear magnet resonance,  the resonamce can be achieved by any frequence, if the magnetic field has the right strength. For instance with the earths magnetic field, resonance can be achieved with a few kilohertz. Of cource, the resulting "echo" from the matter of interest will be significantly smaller.


So, we can assume that we can tune to resonance by using a fixed frequency and a variable magnetic field, which is much easier. Also, we can try to use eg. a CB radio transmitter at 27MHz and then simply increase the DC power in the electromagnet coil. (just take care not to fry your radio by antenna specs that are wrong)


We can also use permanent magnets at the iron bars ends to first lower the power consumption and second replace the U shaped fluxpath.


However, in NMR a homogenous magnetic field is usually important. That may be difficult or impossible with PMs and simple Coils. But such a homogenous field is not absolutely required, it only optimizes the results esp. in applications like magnet resonance imaging MRI. What is important in the end of the day is, we have to somehow add a 105 Ev to the nucleus of the FE 56, this will kick its butt as much that it will break up and thereby release 20'000Ev, so the COP is about 200x, when we ignore the isotopic transition as a circumstance.


BTW. in NMR devices the coils are not arranged beside eachother, but inside oneanother: Right on the core there is a fine coil for the HF input oscillation wave, eg. 1000T. Then follows a special coil to cause a gradiation of the field, this one is not really of interest for us. Then follows the static Polarization coil, for the dc magnet.


Yet, NMR does not extract energy, but simply switches off the modulation coil frequently and then uses it to read the data the coil "sends back". Whether we use a third coil to extract the energy, as seen in the patent drawings, or not, we have to think about the implications of those probably to be expected several kilowatts, suddently appearing in all coils. We may have to disconnect the other two coils frequently. Which is where the question arises, why the output should be 400hz, as the patent states.


Anyway, interesting project.  BTW halflife of neutrons is about 15 minutes, take care.


BR




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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #70 on: January 17, 2015, 03:31:28 PM »
We are missing simple way to detect neutron radiation. Without it it's quite risky.

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #71 on: January 17, 2015, 06:06:51 PM »
It isn't really radiation, it's a particle that has a certain speed. There is a certain amount in nature, background neutrons. What is important is to know that water stops it, certainly a wall of several centimeters. It is temarkable that nobody mentioned water until now. That was indeed dangerous.
I suspect in LENR we have similar sideeffects, but barely notice it due to the water in which the plasma takes place.


One needs to know what he's doing, this is not kids stuff (I just remember that tube vid by a kid, doing fusion in his room, whispering, so mom doesn't notice anything ^^)


I think it's save in Protium / tap water, although not in pure Deuterium or Tritium :). Nevertheless  need to have an eye on beta and gamma radiation due to Bremsstrahlung (brake radiation) sideeffects etc of colliding particles.


But I guess a couple of cheapo fishsticks can be way more dangerous these days. greetings from fukushima...


In that report they gathered 24'000 kilowatthours with one iron bar... that's about 5000$ in nuclear electricity around here.


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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #72 on: January 17, 2015, 09:08:56 PM »
I perfectly knew that water will stop it for a little time, then it will be ionized and beta radiation occur. I planned to test it with a water container having some photo-paper in black envelope floating in water. All that is too tedious to be done in home. I hope so that this effect of Fe transmutation is not common one , especially with ferrite treated by high magnetic field pulses. I hope so.

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #73 on: January 17, 2015, 09:48:00 PM »
I guess that would be known. It is an anomaly that appeared in NMR tests, with nuclear resonance. Normally you don't have a static, biased B Field, but the AC or Modulation only, right?


What do you mean, water stops neutrons only for a short time? The Neutrons decay in like 15 Minutes. Whether the water becomes radioactive, and how much, must be tested. It will however still stop the neutrons. If the fishes turn upside down then you shouldnt drink it , sure... What you can do: Use a video camera, close to the reactor. When the picture gets snowy then you know what's going on. You can also use a small fotovoltaic cell, covered with black paper. when you still get a voltage from that, it's radiation. You can also cover the camera lense. If you still get snow, then no good... like the footage from tschernobyl...


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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #74 on: January 17, 2015, 11:12:06 PM »
One reason why I probably won't try this is, somewhere they mention it takes 15 minutes for the reaction to start, so it may be rather "longtermish" to seek for resonance, unless you really try it with 21 mhz and 0.4T...


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