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Author Topic: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator  (Read 106673 times)

Offline tak22

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Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« on: March 22, 2008, 10:59:16 PM »
I'm impressed by simple effective devices, and the FR2680613 patent from Michael Meyer and Yves Mace could be a fine example of simplicity, if it works. This patent has been noted once before in the Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler thread. My main interest is in replicating the Barbat patent, but couldn't resist looking at this one as it also uses three coils to produce an effect  :D

This should be a good replication project for those without years of knowledge and experience and access to $s and $s of equipment.

Generator of energy by resonant nuclear ferromagnetism, consisting of a "U"-shaped chassis made of mild steel containing a cylindrical bar made of ferromagnetic fuel rod on which at least 3 induction coils act. The first coil is an electromagnet, the second is a nuclear magnetic resonance actuator, the third recovering the induction energy present in the bar. Device intended particularly to supply commercially exploitable electrical energy.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mmcgen.htm

http://l2.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=FR2680613&F=0&QPN=FR2680613

http://freenrg.info/TESLA/Tesla_Switch/D3.pdf page 45-46

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2008, 12:36:35 AM »
Such a popular thread  ;)

Anyways, here's a link with a French magazine article on Myer, French patent 2385255, and the Czech patent 284333.

http://www.rexresearch.com/meyernmr/meyer.htm

Translations/interpretations appreciated.

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2008, 01:54:13 AM »
I was curious enough to type the caption under this image from that page into http://translate.google.com and this is what it said. That little cirucit at least looks simple.
"To shake atoms and make them the energy they contain, forward, with a high frequency oscillator (about 173 kHz) a wave that is in resonance with the vibration of elecrtodes copper. This through a oscillating magnetic field spooling of the links has oscillator at around copper. A portion of the supply current is used to polarize the metal, which then return up to 30 times the energy consumed by the oscillator."
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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2008, 03:36:23 PM »
@SD

Thanks for this diagram. I wanted to put a better translation as follows;

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To shake atoms so they render the energy they contain, you must send via a high frequency oscillator (in the order of 173 kHz) a wave that is in resonance with the vibration of the copper electrodes. This is via an oscillating magnetic field thanks to the coil winding that is connected to the oscillator and that covers the copper. One part of the feed current is used to polarize the metal that restitutes (gives back) up to 30 times the energy consumed by the oscillator.
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So in general, the oscillator is pulsing current onto the copper rod and there is another wire from the positive of the battery that goes through a diode and a resistor so only a small portion of the battery power is used to ensure the copper rod s polarized in a fixed manner to initiate a steady positive/negative output off the copper rod. If copper was magnetic, you could have used a magnet to do the same polarization, but since it is not, a small current on one side will do the same thing.

Interesting indeed.

Thanks again.

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2008, 10:51:37 PM »
Thanks wattsup.

If it does put out 30 time the input energy, and not just 30 times the current at 30 times lower voltage, then it really makes you wonder where the extra energy is coming from. Also, what would it mean to be in "resonance with the vibration of the copper electrodes"? Anyway, probably best to replicate as is and speculate later.
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Offline Yucca

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2008, 12:04:23 AM »
Good thread Tak!

So this device documented on Naudins site uses the same effect (NMR) as the device in the french article?:
(http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/mmcegen.gif)

The french device mentions resonance at about 173kHz that sounds more like mechanical resonance than NMR or could it be a subharmonic?

I can do 173kHz now with my homebuilt sig-gen once I get the output FETs installed but I can't do 21MHz as in the three coil device until I do more work on my sig-gen.

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2009, 03:47:02 PM »
The copper device and the Iron Isotope device work on different principals it seems.  The copper device vibrates the copper atoms eiether atomically (atomic resonance) or the rod (mechanical resonance).  Neither of these methods is used in the Iron Isotope. 

The Iron Isotope device uses atomic resonance and a Very Strong magnetic field (.5 tesla strength) to create Atomic Decay of the iron isotope, to Change it from isotope 56 to 54 or something like that. Look up Iron isotope on Wikipedia. The iron Isotope device becomes Nuclear Particle radioactive!!! Dangerous! Don't built it without a lead shield or something of that nature!

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2009, 06:22:04 PM »
There does not seem to be any grounding in this circuit, no dead short condition so- I suppose it could potentially be very dangerous. I'm all for nuclear energy extraction when the radiation is thoroughly contained. When the elements become radioactive that's when people could be hurt. If your going to create the energy make sure it's being used properly instead of being spewed out in the form of radiation. Kind of like building a safe microwave- and becoming an environmentalist at the same time and if you do it right- it's not even nuclear decay in the traditional sense. :D I'd also like to say that if your sustaining partial resonance then the materials are going to burn up rather quickly.

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2009, 03:38:06 AM »
According to Wikipedia:

 Naturally occurring iron consists of four isotopes: 5.845% of radioactive 54Fe (half-life: >3.1×1022 years), 91.754% of stable 56Fe, 2.119% of stable 57Fe and 0.282% of stable 58Fe. 60Fe is an extinct radionuclide of long half-life (1.5 million years).

The Iron Isotope device changes Iron56 to Iron54.  Since there is 91% Iron56 naturally occuring on earth, the iron rod in your machine will be only 9% spent, leaving 91% ready to convert.

I think the original patent says large amounts of energy are released, and since you can control the process by modulating the Mhz input, you can build a machine to last considerably longer at moderate power levels. 

AND, when you're Iron Fuel Rod is spent in 7 months, Ohh well you'll have to purchace a new one for three dollars.

The real question IS :

How much Amperage does it take to create a 1 Tesla field strength electro-magnet?

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2009, 10:03:39 AM »
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The french device mentions resonance at about 173kHz that sounds more like mechanical resonance than NMR or could it be a subharmonic?
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It is a subharmonic. The article stipulates that there is a resonance of the copper atoms at the frequency of 172 753.867 Hz due to the induction field. The frequency must be extremely accurate because it must fit the exact much higher harmonic at which the atoms vibrate.

Note that "science et vie" is a popularization publication not very serious. "Renaud de la Taille" was an enthusiastic journalist but has not a solid scientifical background. The key questions are not asked: what is the frequency of the output current? Why is there this aberrant "polarization" circuit with a diode?... and so on...

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2009, 06:32:24 PM »
I have read czech patent 284333. I dont understand french but from the first view i think its identical with french patent 2680613. Author of french and czech patent is the same - Michel Meyer only co-authors are different.
In the description its written that device is ecological and safe. No mention about radioactivity level (weird). Projected output power 50kW, iron rod lifetime 2400hours, time needed for start-up 15 min (after this time device is automatically disconnected from grid and uses part of its output power to feed itself).
Regarding radiocative materials i heard that the longer half-life means greater danger. Then half-life of 54Fe (3.1x10^22 years) should be very bad. But maybe this is not true because 3.1x10^22 is extremely large half-time (larger than cosmos age). If you read wikipedia article you find the note that 54Fe is stable (i.e. radioactive decay is very very slow maybe can be neglected, who knows).

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2009, 12:22:11 AM »
Hi Jan,

The process involved may not be a radioactive one because a normal iron atom is supposed to be excited by the 21MHz energy (from an electric oscillator) and also a static magnetic field of about 0.5 Tesla is present, this is what happens I think.
Here are some more theory, see pages 18 and 19 in the pdf file
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter3.pdf  Two neutrons are issued during the process when Fe56 changes to Fe54 and if this is what happens then neutrons are not radioactive particles, are they?

Naudin also mentions this process here: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mmcgen.htm

Unfortunately, there is no any test results available from any other experimenters. Maybe the Chech patent partners could be asked on some details...

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2009, 05:19:54 AM »
I have read czech patent 284333. I dont understand french but from the first view i think its identical with french patent 2680613. Author of french and czech patent is the same - Michel Meyer only co-authors are different.
In the description its written that device is ecological and safe. No mention about radioactivity level (weird). Projected output power 50kW, iron rod lifetime 2400hours, time needed for start-up 15 min (after this time device is automatically disconnected from grid and uses part of its output power to feed itself).
Regarding radiocative materials i heard that the longer half-life means greater danger. Then half-life of 54Fe (3.1x10^22 years) should be very bad. But maybe this is not true because 3.1x10^22 is extremely large half-time (larger than cosmos age). If you read wikipedia article you find the note that 54Fe is stable (i.e. radioactive decay is very very slow maybe can be neglected, who knows).

Hi Jan.

you have it backwards, the shorter half life means that the isotope decays faster and with more energy.

imagine 1lb of an isotope that has a half life of 1 second, this would be totally lethal if unprotected, some isotopes with 1 second half life are considered SF or Spontaneous fission and that is lethal itself, longer half lives are more stable.

Gamma ray and or Neutron emitters are lethal especially whether they are short lived or not but still follow this rule.. Alpha or Beta are a bit safer but respect is still in order.

about 54Fe:

26-Fe-54

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Atomic Mass: 53.9396148 ± 0.0000014 amu
Excess Mass: -56248.410 ± 1.328 keV
Binding Energy: 471758.653 ± 1.330 keV
Beta Decay Energy: B- -8243.079 ± 0.221 keV

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Atomic Percent Abundance: 5.845% 35
Spin: 0+
Stable Isotope

Possible parent nuclides:
Beta from Mn-54
Electron capture from Co-54

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Total Cross Section

at 0.0253 eV = 2.649 b
Maxwell avg. at 0.0253 eV = 2.404 b
at 14 MeV = 2.498 b
Fission spectrum avg. = 3.658 b
g-factor = 1.0243
Elastic Scattering Cross Section

at 0.0253 eV = 492.9 mb
Maxwell avg. at 0.0253 eV = 492.9 mb
at 14 MeV = 1.080 b
Fission spectrum avg. = 3.235 b
g-factor = 1.1284
Total Inelastic Cross Section

at 14 MeV = 481.5 mb
Fission spectrum avg. = 335.9 mb
(n,2n) Cross Section

at 14 MeV = 1.203 mb
Fission spectrum avg. = 1.032 micro barn
(n,na) Cross Section

at 14 MeV = 120.8 micro barn
Fission spectrum avg. = 0.1892 micro barn
(n,np) Cross Section

at 14 MeV = 490.6 mb
Fission spectrum avg. = 138.0 micro barn
Radiative Capture Cross Section

at 0.0253 eV = 2.156 b
Maxwell avg. at 0.0253 eV = 1.911 b
Resonance integral = 1.323 b
at 14 MeV = 136.1 micro barn
Fission spectrum avg. = 6.069 mb
g-factor = 1.0003
(n,p) Cross Section

at 14 MeV = 361.0 mb
Fission spectrum avg. = 80.71 mb
(n,alpha) Cross Section

at 0.0253 eV = 1.237800e-19 b
Maxwell avg. at 0.0253 eV = 2.476090e-19 b
Resonance integral = 68.03 mb
at 14 MeV = 83.17 mb
Fission spectrum avg. = 864.7 micro barn
g-factor = 2.2572

Jerry

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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2009, 09:11:47 AM »
Good thread Tak!

So this device documented on Naudins site uses the same effect (NMR) as the device in the french article?:
(http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/mmcegen.gif)

The french device mentions resonance at about 173kHz that sounds more like mechanical resonance than NMR or could it be a subharmonic?

I can do 173kHz now with my homebuilt sig-gen once I get the output FETs installed but I can't do 21MHz as in the three coil device until I do more work on my sig-gen.

According to the article "Science et Vie" nr.700  March 1976 (in french)
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyernmr/meyer.htm ,
the frequency must be very precise: 172,753.867 hz.
The oscillator must maintain this frequency with the stability of the nine digits. It seems it is a key point. Even a quartz oscillator would not be enough. Such an oscillator should be derived from an atomic clock (maybe one transmitted by radio, we can get several such signals in Europe in the VLF band).

I must add that I am very skeptic and suspect measurement errors. Ordinary amp- and voltmeters are easily distorted by HF signals, and here HF currents from the coils can pass to the copper by capacitive effects.
 







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Re: Meyer-Mace Isotopic NMR Generator
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2009, 09:35:28 AM »
Hi Jan.

you have it backwards, the shorter half life means that the isotope decays faster and with more energy.

imagine 1lb of an isotope that has a half life of 1 second, this would be totally lethal if unprotected, some isotopes with 1 second half life are considered SF or Spontaneous fission and that is lethal itself, longer half lives are more stable.

Gamma ray and or Neutron emitters are lethal especially whether they are short lived or not but still follow this rule.. Alpha or Beta are a bit safer but respect is still in order.


Maybe energy is greater but only for short time-span i think energy is following exponencial curve-decay. Take for example uranium 235 that is used in nuclear power plants. I dont know details of radioactive decay-chain but if half-time of uranium or its byproducts would be short (for example few seconds or less) then radioactive waste would not be problem. But i point out that i am not expert on nuclear physics.

 

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