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Solid States Devices => solid state devices => Topic started by: Turz on March 20, 2008, 01:40:22 PM
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I think TPU is really based on patent 381970 as suggested by Jack Durban.
Marks cannot patent it because it's a Tesla replica.
He put a 9volt micromotor to run the gen shaft, so this explains vibrations of tpu it is like a cellphone "vibracall"!
This is my opinion.
Turz
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Turz, where did you get that picture? Do you have more?
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Why should this make free energy?
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@Turz: thanks for that! I knew I'd seen something very similar
in Teslas work long ago, but could never remember which of the
tons of Tesla papers it was...
Yes, obviously a Tesla replication.
But does it really produce OU, is still the question...
@CTG Labs: well that is a good question, but more one
for the main TPU threads and/or Steven Mark himself... ;)
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Contact micromotor is very different to a magnetic motor. In the essense, it is the same as spark gap. Blades in such motor have a physical contact with the shaft and during rotation they create a lot of transients due to physical micro slapping. I believe if you change the motor to a magnetic one, this thing won't be more efficient than a standard power transformer. Though, it's not really known whether contact or magnetic motor was used there.
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It has been speculated that this was a "stealth" patent. If so, we should look for details in the design which are not explicitly spelled-out.
In the written description within the patent, Tesla makes specific reference to the preferred core material. He suggests using conducting, insulated, iron wire.
Hmm.. sounds like "bailing wire" to me.
Now why exactly should the core material be made of insulated, conducting wire? Tesla doesn't explain this beyond saying that it increases efficiency. What if pulses of current could be made to flow in the core wire due to the changing magnetic field imposed by the coils wound upon it? Could these "kicks" be collected and recirculated?
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Now why exactly should the core material be made of insulated, conducting wire? Tesla doesn't explain this. What if pulses of current could be made to flow in the core wire due to the changing magnetic field imposed by the coils wound upon it? Could these "kicks" be collected and recirculated?
Well, it's way simpler than you probably think. Take a wire, wrap it with insulating tape and then wind the pulse coil around insulation. The need for insulation is that pulse and energy feedback wires work independently of each other. Strangely enough, but this is exactly what I was thinking. :) http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4304.0.html "Idea: it can be probably useful to wind thin wire (that carries sawtooth pulses) right on the wire of energy feedback circuitry (no need to use magnetic core)" Well, I've only missed the electric insulation part. Of course, it's vital for circuitries to be independent of each other.
After trying this with ferromagnetic material with success, a non-ferromagnetic but conducting material can be tried as well (e.g. aluminium). If there is no current happens in the feedback circuitry, this system is based on magnetic forces and probably does not really deal with atomic structure changes - but what do I know?
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I think TPU is really based on patent 381970 as suggested by Jack Durban.
Marks cannot patent it because it's a Tesla replica.
He put a 9volt micromotor to run the gen shaft, so this explains vibrations of tpu it is like a cellphone "vibracall"!
This is my opinion.
Turz
Excellant post! The generator is producing the sparks of one way current. Remove it and replace it with the pager motor. Fold it in.
So who else is going to wind one of these babies up to see what is does? I have 9 in 3 coils. Remember to follow the test instructions carefully.
The interview could have been a ruse just to mention the 381970 patent.
The sm17 has 2 fuse holders in the rear. I showed how these can hold empty fuses to be used as spark gaps.
--giantkiller.
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It's a solid state device, no moving parts.
He could, however have used reed switches to sense the energizing of the coils.
He seems to have used reed switches to activate the units so based on that, it was on the shopping list.
M.
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@ All
My last two posts in GK's thread are of great importance please read them (very short) and look at the pics i captured . I think im on to something.
Joe
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Interesting, Tesla spokes in this patent of movement of poles. Does he mean magnetic poles ?
When SM used this arrangement, is that than the reason for the turning compass in the center of the TPU ?
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5378/movementnx3.png)
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It should do the same with a 4 pole motor..... Right
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Yes, sounds like it, but maybe not really the same...
Sounds like he is indeed talking about using a commutator to
supply ac at a certain frequency (or maybe dc pulses?) to the
outer coils, which induces rotation of the magnetic field
in the core (the central iron wire coil)...
Now indeed if we attach wires to this coil, which he does not
appear to describe (?), we should be able to get pulses out
again as long as we can make the "poles rotate"...
I think. ;)
But unless there is some true magic FE thing going on here
(dare I say "radiant energy"? nah...) I don't really see how
it could produce over unity.
Perhaps if permanent magnets were placed at the right
spots on the core, and the input pulses/ac frequency
is tuned to that magnetic field arrangement properly,
the input oscillations could "flip" the p.m.'s magnetic
field back and forth and so generate a similar rotating
magnetic field arrangement with much less input...
... and that sounds uncannily similar to what Helmut
is trying to replicate (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4191.msg79607.html#msg79607)
although that does not use an iron wire core like
this design of Tesla's...
Well anyway, Helmuts device (the MPI patent) does show a similar
way of "flipping" pm fields using induced oscillations.
This Tesla version would need different locations for the
magnets I guess, but the principle might work...
:)
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Tesla's primaries are always high mass high current and his secondaries low mass high voltage. His secondaries are a capacitor made of coiled wire. Wrap that around the outside of a tpu and I don't know what happens next.
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I am wavering on the role of iron in the TPU. After reviewing all the evidence, I think it's likely that no iron was used in the TPU, except perhaps as a structural material. It is fairly clear from the videos that there isn't a massive iron core in the TPUs. From the vid where the tpu is cut open, we see that only a few wires get in the way of the jigsaw. The "bailing wire" reference appears to be to an incidental construction material, (which you can see if you scrutinize the image), rather than being a key to the operation of the device. I'm not willing to entirely abandon the notion that iron wire was used, but it seems less and less likely as I investigate this further. This of course leaves me back at square one, utterly baffled by the mode of operation of these units.
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I noticed this before so I finally want to know, where o where you you all get these 'high' quality videos from? I mean I have some of the knows video's that are also on Youtube but their quality is pretty bad. But when I see that video still that is used here it hints to me that there are high quality videos out there. If so please tell me where to find them!
Many thanks!!
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Hi Nali2001,
There is only one guy who has the high res video, and he made public only a few snapshots, which were posted here and there. Can you guess who that guy is? :) Don't bug him about it, lot's of us already asked many times before.
EM
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ill contribute a few thoughts on this subject:
1. SM mentioned "what if" you had 2 magnetic fields flowing in opposite directions. perhaps this could cause the gyroscope effect; and the fact he said "what if" makes it stand out to me.
2. Someone somewhere said that it was a lesser known fact that the coil would overheat after 30 minutes or so and shut down.
3. the low quality videos which prevents you from seeing the subtle nuances either indicates that (besides SM protecting his investment) its a fraud perpetrated by either the power/fuel companies for money interests or by the government to mislead from free-energy/antigravity by commonfolk OR it indicates what i more suspect that SM sold out his fellow scientists and human neigbors hard-core to get his paws on some cash and nobody that gets ahold of this info really wants you to have energy independence or to advance you scientific understanding.
think about it, SM could have leaked these principles of his device to the comman man on this planet, but instead chose to perpetuate suffering of humanity by hiding his findings? Whats the chances of this? What is more likely: that the energy company or govt is leaking mis-information, or that a free-energy scientist would have left humanity suffering?
I call fraud. the whole damn coil thing is a wild goose chase initiated by the enemies of the common man. otherwise the secret would have been long revealed by now, such as hydrolosis or PV cells. I may be wrong and i hope that i am, but just think about it. i dont mean to sound like one of those naysayers at the Ron Paul forum, but im getting very tired of all these free energy devices that dissappear after some guy from Siemans or GE makes a visit, and all the people who search for the answers that only lead to more questions. now THATS a perpetual motion machine.
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I think SM has joined two or many Tesla patents let's suppose:
what if we made core of the patent 381970 using baling wire (copper or iron) but setup like the patent 512340 (Tesla pancake coil) maybe 2 or three turns....
We know that one turn only nothing strange happens.... but if we setup this coil in pancake form we have a rotating magnetic field.....maybe something strange happens.... we must try this setup ad see if we are on the right track.
And reading patent 381970 we can see Tesla used:
1) four spark gaps why 4? Maybe Tesla testing his patent notice that he must get a "perfect tuning" that with only one spark gap cannot obtain. Instead of spark gaps we can use one diode of right value like frederik2k1 suggest in his topic ( http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4100.0.html)
2) a generator..... why in this Tesla don't patent only the setup of the coil like pat 512340 (pancake) but he put the generator part maybe whitout this generator nothing works.....
3) If TPU must have a microgen and we have to run the shaft, we must have a micromotor maybe with 9volt battery that will have discharge time of maybe "20min..demo" so we will have a 20 min running&vibrating device.
I think SM had 2 problem the battery wear-out and diode overheating
Turz
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Here is an interesting excerpt from page 3, lines 1 through 5:
"...the currents are produced by dynamo-magnetic induction only, the same result being obtained as though the poles were shifted by a commutator with an infinite number of segments."
Jason and I were discussing this line last night. The word, "only," popped out of this text for the both of us. What makes, "dynamo-magnetic," induction different than your garden variety induction?
I wonder what, "a commutator with an infinite number of segments," would deliver.
I found another 'floating' point as well: from page 2, lines 64 ~ 69:
"The construction of this or any equivalent form of converter may be carried further, as above pointed out, by inclosing these coils with iron--as, for example, by winding over the coils a layer or layers of insulated iron wire."
Nothing further is written about this point. I wonder if, by "equivalent form of converter," does he mean iron both outside and inside, or iron only on the outside?
If the latter is true, outside only, then the wood or cork SM cores we hear of could still fit this patent as an, "equivalent form of converter."
Yet the phrase, "the construction... may be carried further," sounds more like the former is true, iron both inside the core and then 'further' wrapped on the outside.
There may also be three equivalent forms: inside only, outside only (SM), and both inside and out.
Jason said that the generator, with its four brushes and four spinning collecting rings, could easily be replaced by a more simple design that spins the magnets inside the stationary coils, (wound the same way.) This would do away with the brushes and rings.
Since these brushes and rings are in constant contact, one might assume that there is no 'spark gap' type of activity going on here. I am not 100% sure that we can do away with the brushes and rings because the metal atoms that make up these parts are not in constant contact; the ring surface is sliding past the brush.
However, Jason may be correct in viewing this generator as nothing more than a 90-degree phase-shifted pair of sine waves. I hope so; building a generator without brushes and rings would sure be a lot easier to accomplish.
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We know that one turn only nothing strange happens.... but if we setup this coil in pancake form we have a rotating magnetic field.....maybe something strange happens.... we must try this setup ad see if we are on the right track.
Turz
hes talking about the tesla pancake coil.
i cant help but think the opposite rotating fields is THE key to not only this device but anti-gravity in general. i bet the idea of connecting 2 bike wheels together and spinning them in opposite directions has probably already been mentioned a few hundred times, but that has got to be the reason for the gyroscopic effect.
i just saw this from another poster in another TPU thread, but i am inclined to think that whatever method was used to to rotate the opposite fields that it had something to do with tesla patents, whether the below image has anything to do with tesla or whether its a forum member's own idea that is not exactly correlative to the SM TPU i couldnt tell you. Is there a way to make the below example move the field in opposite directions? would that just be 2 of these with a parallel circumferences? or can you wrap 2 of these with opposing direction around the same core?:
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Ok thanks EMdevices.
So.. since the 'good' images seem to be scattered around, could someone post these releases higher quality screen captures here please?
Many thanks!
Steven (and noooo...)
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Guys, don't get too excited about this Tesla patent. It is well understood and he doesn't not claim free energy or anything like that.
The patent illustrates a 2 phase transformer, and it's driven by his 2phase AC generator. Remember he was the AC guru and he's inventing all these extra devices to go along with his generator/motors.ÂÂ
What's interesting is that there are motor/generator setups where the stator 2-phase windings are connected together between the identical motors/generators. You can imagine that his ring (stator) has a rotor inside and you will see that it rotates the rotor when the generator turns, and they will be locked , or rotating in step. I've seen this in one of my engineering classes.
The infinite comutation is achived here due to the sumation of two perfect sine waves which change their phases with the rotation of the genrator, so in essence we have the equivalent of an infinite commutator.
A good book on electric machines would benefit some of you.
EM
P.S. Nali2001, we can't upload large files anylonger on this forum, but I'll try and find the thread where some of these things are posted.
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Here is an interesting excerpt from page 3, lines 1 through 5:
"...the currents are produced by dynamo-magnetic induction only, the same result being obtained as though the poles were shifted by a commutator with an infinite number of segments."
Jason and I were discussing this line last night. The word, "only," popped out of this text for the both of us. What makes, "dynamo-magnetic," induction different than your garden variety induction?
I wonder what, "a commutator with an infinite number of segments," would deliver.
I found another 'floating' point as well: from page 2, lines 64 ~ 69:
"The construction of this or any equivalent form of converter may be carried further, as above pointed out, by inclosing these coils with iron--as, for example, by winding over the coils a layer or layers of insulated iron wire."
Nothing further is written about this point. I wonder if, by "equivalent form of converter," does he mean iron both outside and inside, or iron only on the outside?
If the latter is true, outside only, then the wood or cork SM cores we hear of could still fit this patent as an, "equivalent form of converter."
Yet the phrase, "the construction... may be carried further," sounds more like the former is true, iron both inside the core and then 'further' wrapped on the outside.
There may also be three equivalent forms: inside only, outside only (SM), and both inside and out.
Jason said that the generator, with its four brushes and four spinning collecting rings, could easily be replaced by a more simple design that spins the magnets inside the stationary coils, (wound the same way.) This would do away with the brushes and rings.
Since these brushes and rings are in constant contact, one might assume that there is no 'spark gap' type of activity going on here. I am not 100% sure that we can do away with the brushes and rings because the metal atoms that make up these parts are not in constant contact; the ring surface is sliding past the brush.
However, Jason may be correct in viewing this generator as nothing more than a 90-degree phase-shifted pair of sine waves. I hope so; building a generator without brushes and rings would sure be a lot easier to accomplish.
Must be on the same wavelenth man ... i found those oddities too.
A one coorilation i have come across that is too stricking to pass by is edward leedscalins "special electromagnet" He said for the upmost of efficency to be obtained there would have to be an iron "shell around the copper windings outside/superinposed on top of them. So lets take this for waht its worth
Iron core - copper coil -iron shell- Leedscaling claims this arrangment is most efficent electromagnet
Tesla- Annular iorn ring - primary 4 quadrant fine wire windings copper - Encased in loosly wound coarse iron wire. He could mean this loose iron wire is the shell but thats too easy and he would have made some other notation to seperate it or he might imply to cover all the existing windings all the B's and C's with what we could call a tertiary coil of tightly wound iron wire. Just wanted to throw that out there as well
"The thermal breakdown issue is mentioned" in this patent on the first page but is said to be avoided if the specs he lays out are followed.
                                        Great finds man
                                                   Joe
When you check out the electromagnetic motor patent that shows the dynamo machine it makes more sense. He shows the little diagram with the magnet position on the induction machine and then the current positon on the converter. I wanna say that the dynamo magnetic induction is devolped because the EM energy usually harvested from the poles on the dynamo /generator/motor are usually hooked into a circuit first where as here the energy gets directly transfered to the closed loop transformer from the windings on the machine. This may let a rotating feild devolp from the quadrants being fired in succession/ inerta
I can see how this secondary device would keep the dynamo going after it up to speed .. meaning we all pay power companies for starting there generatiors once in a while.. this is awful how bad were being raped now that im understanging it. Once the dynamos/generators are started with the converter and brought up to speed the inital power source can be removed and this arrangment will keep producing.
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Hello EM I send you a personal message.
Thanks!
Steven
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Well, inducing a magnetic field that cancels earth magnetic field in nanosecond time produces a bit of turmoil in the atomic lattice which was staying in different magnetic field conditions a moment before.
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Guys, don't get too excited about this Tesla patent...
The patent illustrates a 2 phase transformer,...
A good book on electric machines would benefit some of you.
@EMDevices,
If it is just a simple two phase transformer then why do we not see this particular toroidal design used anywhere today, or do we?
Other than those books by/about Tesla and this patent in particular, can you find an example of this design in any of your electric machine books?
If it is not used today then was it replaced with a 'better' design, or is there little demand for two phase transformers these days?
(Thank you for staying on here with us. :) )
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SM's little tpus have an iron outside winding (bailing wire) around the circumference of a polypro disc. Bailing wire inductor/plastic disc capacitor.
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SM's little tpus have an iron outside winding (bailing wire) around the circumference of a polypro disc. Bailing wire inductor/plastic disc capacitor.
double post sorry but while I'm here the vertical coils he pops his magnets on
could be the conductors in the little magnetic resonant circuit of the circular inductor/capacitor lower layer. The coupling of the primary oscillator is through these coils whose permeability is dependent on the magnets and their response to the ambient magnetic field. Finally to complete the circuit there is the top torroid an inductor capacitor set up whose capacitor disc is x #of inches from the first disc. Voltage in the middle current on the ouside. Voltage the axle/current the spinning electron mass.
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@ Maro- this is about your danceing magnets. If SM's small open unit we see him put magnets on the top and strat it up. I must have looked at these a 1000 times. When magnets are close together they ossilate. so now I'm thinking that there is another set of magnets already in the unit and when he sets on the other 2 mags the ossillation starts puting the unit in motion. And then the current builds up and starts output till it hits the critical stage and shuts down. When I was studying ED Leedskalin (hope I spelled his name right lol ) one of the tests were was to get the wire to vibrate between the magnets , very difficult ! but it can be done. the caps I feel are the freqs and also act like a stator on start up. I feel this supports the simple SS circutry. let me know your thoughts. LOL I can't belive I getting back into this :o Oh well here we go again ............. Mike
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@Motorcoach
Hope Marco responds because he knows what is going on. His Coriolus force explanation of the tpu ou is the best ever postulated. I came to his findings independently looked back in one of my old threads and there it was in Marco's post. I'll reiterate my own here and in should in no way be construed as Marco's words or thoughts just a similar finding.
The input energy of the kick adds inertia to the electrons that are responding to the aetheric wave traversing the conductor. These electrons now are seperated from Earth's angular momentum (spin inertia) and are responding to the aetheric wave the Earth warps continously. They are on their own relative to the rest of the conductor mass that remains in Earth's inertial field.
The rest of the conductor mass progresses through space time in inertial fields quite different than the electrons in the aetheric inertial frame. This results in charge seperation because the copper ions want the electrons back. The electrons that joined the aetheric inertial frame are both time and space displaced relative to the rest of the conductor. They stayed on board the aetheric train, took a ride and stretched the elastic tether holding them to the conductor neuclei. The Coriolus force brings the aetheric electrons back into the mass of the conductor in a predictable velocity path.
So our kick energy input is just to seperate the electrons on the aether train from those that are not. It does not push them around the torroid coil by inducing a voltage. The aether supplied us with the emf by taking the seperated electrons for a ride relative to the rest of the mass that stayed with the Earth inertial field.
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Question
Is FE a slight of tung? Play on words? I was thinking about how every time something comes along
it is always followed by some argument or reason why it is not nor could it be FE.
Example
If i could recycle a portion of the power running though a circuit and ramp it up to produce in effect
by some unknown means the amount of power required to sustain the device's operation it would be argued that it was supplied power in order to start there by not free energy. Am I to believe the FE must thereby materialize out of nothing be sustained by nothing and require neither material nor action to satisfy the term free energy?
Original I thought it was to gain freedom or self reliance in producing energy for personal use but now it appears to be more about the exact meaning of the language or words used to define an objective.
Is it about the objective or the objection to the language?
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@ Sparks - i belive i read that a few months ago , intresting read. heres a senero / when we boil water we turn it into steam , so now we capture the steam and turn it back into water. the coil acting with the pulse we have a skin effect (+) by nature and the (-) run inside the wire , now the + is in the eather and the next coil needs to pull this and the pulse makes a greater amplitude changeing this back into current ( danceing magnets ) Tesla's air coil and his genarator has this effect. Qtto said the 44 mm seperation was the best mesurement to start with in getting the coils tuned to each other (steam) and reaction (water).
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Rosphere, the early Tesla designs have advanced a bit since his days. However, his basic configuration is still found in so many places and motors. My books has lots of diagrams similar to this patent. He also did recognized many of the problems early on, like eddy current losses.
His particular ring style winding can be found mainly in generators/motors, but not so much in transformers, since the flux path is partially through the iron, and partially through the air. As such it can't handle too much power, so nowadays there's better optimized designs for the flux path such that it's all enclosed and passing through a high permeability material with laminations to minimize the eddy currents losses, etc..
By the way, to improve upon his transformer ring design, you would have to stick a high permeability rotor inside the ring, then the flux will be very high. I'm not an expert on transformer design, but I still have my engineering books and refer to them once in a while and do understand and remember some of the basics.
Once again, the real ingenious achievement of Tesla in this respect, is this configuration of two coils (4poles) spaced apart physically by 90 degrees, and also driven 90 degrees out of phase electrically. This produces the smooth rotational magnetic field (as if infinitely commutated), which is now used quite extensively in a number of motors. This invention of his played an integral part of the AC revolution.
So is it something special? of course! Is it free energy, or does he claim free energy in the patent? No , he does not. That's all I'm trying to say, don't get too excited about this patent and try to read things into it that are not there.
EM
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well we have to keep in mind that although Steven said he was not seeking money for his invention, he did put some things on the device that could be solved for another million....
The magnets were fake as in they only closed a reed switch to close the loop.
Possably, there was a mercury switch inside which deactivated the unit when flipped over.
These switches are used in alarm and temperature control systems.
They are little glass bulbs with two connections and a drop of mercury in them.
Saying this could be solved for an additional million, but what if it could not been solved?
I think Steven had build in some "problems" into the device of which he already had an answer...
But these were only a means to keep the money comming in.
There also is a chance that there were more misleading things to the device visually or in his words then we are aware of.
Why would he add the magnets?
Why would he want to make it look extremly difficult?
There is only one answer to this.....
The device has to be scary simple.
Pherhaps the 4 coils on the open unit were also a means to misguide people so they would think hey tesla patent....
About the dancing magnet vid.
I still do not know what happend there, all i know is that it just did that.
It was a DC field which was modulated and kept above the zero voltage line.
So this is not just pulsing a coil with a simple frequency which grows and shrinks, but it is more a permanent field which is modulated.(field never passes zero voltage so there is always flux, unlike the ac field where there are null points and the field does not exist.)
These are two diffrent things.
I have done many attempts to replicate that same experiment by using magnets and coils but i still did not see the massive movement i saw in that setup.
M.
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;) ;) ;)
Sonoluminescence should go fine with that speaker. :) I've tried it myself, BTW, with a 100W tweeter but I wasn't able to achieve a spectacular result. Well, after a bit of experimenting I was able to achieve some strange sonic deviations when I was injecting air with syringe (at other frequencies and placements produced sound didn't change). Also I was able to achieve some freq/position conditions when air bubble was attached to syringe (in other conditions the air bubble simply and obviously goes up) - beside that I was able to see the air bubble shrink on the syringe tip when I was moving the needle up and down. It was obviously an acoustic node where standing wave pressure was high. It's really interesting to see that the bubble does not grow as one would expect - strangely enough, but standing wave tries to collapse the bubble instead of expanding it and turning into a lot of small bubbles (as would logic suggest).
Unfortunately as the frequency was around 10kHz, my ears fatigued fast. I think this experiment should be done with ultrasonic piezo-electric sound generators. Ear protectors should be used as well.
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Hi all....
When you put current in a coil with an iron core..you are wasting 1/2 of the energy that goes in the wires....
To get more out of a coil put a steel or iron tube around the coil.
You can do better still....join one end of the tube to the core.
Now the coil makes a N and a S pole at the same end and wastes no magnets that come from the battery of dynamo.......Ed.L
If i use no iron core in a coil i can get more of the currents from iron wire coil than i can get with copper coil....Ed.L
Put a paper box with filings between a U magnet...wrap a small piece of iron wire with paper and place between the U magnet prongs....The wrapped iron wire will pick up the filings...you can do the same with copper wire but on a smaller scale....this shows that during the time the coil moves through the U magnet, the coil becomes a magnet, but its function is double....Some of the individual North and South pole magnets run through the coils wire crossways and some run through the coils wire lengthways....Ed.L
Put U shaped magnet bend up prongs down....N pole N side and S pole S side....push a coil through from West to East.....Ed.L....coil wound clockwise...one wire end pointing East the other end pointing West....coil core pointing N/S
Before the magnets start to run lengthways they are lined up in a square (or at right angles?)
accross the wire...ONE SIDE OF THE WIRE IS NORTH POLE MAGNET AND THE OTHER SIDE IS SOUTH POLE MAGNET SIDE. When the coil begins to approach the middle of the U shaped magnet and the currents begin to run then the magnets which are in the wire begin to slant, North pole magnets pointing East the same as the coils wire end.......and South pole magnets pointing West the same as the coils wire end.......When the coil reaches the middle of the U magnet the currents stop running...now they only point accross the wire again....Ed.L
To make the magnets run lengthways in the wire the coil will have to move away from the middle of the U magnet.....this time the North pole magnets will point West and the South pole magnets will point East and the current is reversed.
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If a large coil is filled with electrons, and then the coil is completely disconnected at both ends...
What happens to the electrons in the copper wire???
Where do they go?
Connect 2 leads to a car battery....put an iron wire in each clip...put together and pull apart.....something is holding you back...what is it?...
THEY ARE MAGNETS...and both individual North and South pole magnets...Ed.L
During the time the coil broke away from the U shaped magnet...the U shaped magnet was recharged by the air or Earth magnetic field.....Ed.L
Scotty.
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Didn't Ed say that the magnets from a batery are not equal or balanced - more of one than the other?
What if they were balanced? or if the current ratio we use was reversed?
Two currents, Scotty, but what is their significance?
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That's funny...I was going to post about the unequal battery...but i thought i better leave it out....people think i'm crazy as it is... ;D
Ed's theory is all about 2 currents.....he does one test to show that the pos terminal of a battery heats up more and make more sparks....and when J.J. Thompson did the electron test he used a neg bias setup....or to say that the setup used the neg plates of 2 batteries and only the pos plates of one.
Ed said that batteries should be charged by currents from a generator that does not run the negative to the frame or ground..........
He also said that when the magnets go into the battery from the generator they build up a matter that holds the magnets themselves.....later on the acid takes the matter in parts and seperates the magnets and sends them to their own terminals.
THE ONE WHO FINDS OUT EXACTLY HOW IT IS DONE WILL BE A REAL SCIENTIST. Ed.L
Those magnets that come out the battery and go in the coil can be used to build up some other matter...and whatever the matter is the North and South pole individual magnets are always the base of it...Ed.L
Oh...by the way...in the Northern hemisphere the North pole magnets are going down and the South pole magnets are going up...in the Southern hemisphere it is the opposite....
According to Ed that is.....Hit a vertical iron bar and see.
Scotty
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After spending a bit of time looking at the first post and the better quality image of the tpu knowing i have seen that frame shape some where before it finally hit me. It looks like a part of a drive way drain. If you look at your bath tub drain for a refference the pipe comes up from under the tub to a compression fitting.Inside the fitting you have a frame like an X with a threaded hole in the center for the finished screen to sit in or a plunger stopper. In a drive way drain they only need to have a frame for the screening cap to sit into which allows it to be removed incase you have access the pipe. So the top rim has those 4 square tabs (legs) with the square holes for the screen cap to sit in. The tpu frame looks like he cut off the ends of pipe which has that frame ring at the end of the pipe. Then taking two of them he joined them together with some type of rods to provide a space between the two pieces..
Inside the cut outs of the supports the part where the drain cap would sit are stacks of rectangualr magnets, the type with a hole in the center of the magnet. it also only looks like there is only one active plane the one which holds the wound wire coils.They look to be at right angles in refference to the magnet stacks which are pretty close to only one end of the coil nearest to the magnet stack next to it. has anyone ever seen this orientation where the coil is placed facing the side of a magnet at one half in any other application?
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I am absolutely convinced the magnets are needed (at least in the two devices that used them), and from the location of where they are placed, their function is to bias the core. When you bias a core you push the B-H curve closer to the NONLINEAR region, and harmonic 'distortion' gets produced, which is beneficial in this case (according to SM).
I found a paper a while ago that described why biasing is also beneficial in lowering the hysterisis loses, etc.., so I have no doubts about the magnets. The reed switch explanation by Jack was proposed before as well, but I never gave it much credence. That's my view at least. Also, could there be a mercury switch? Maybe, he seems to turn over the smallest TPU after demonstration, or maybe it's the same upside down phenomena shown with the first TPU.
EM
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The magnet is probably placed at an antinode of a standing wave of current.
If it were placed at a node it would not increase the amplitude of the current wave (it can't couple at a node).
Multiple magnets could be used, but too many may start to interfere rather than assist. Placing small magnets, rather than large ones, at each current antinode might be the best approach.
Read page 4:
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~dodds/Files231/monocord.pdf
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Doug1,
If you could dig up a photo or engineering drawing depicting this drive way drain you described, that would be much appreciated.
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I think the magnets bias the reluctance of the coil that is below them. Any change in this core reluctance gets amplified by the coil current. Saturable core reactor of sorts.
Along the same lines I don't believe SM used any bailing wire because as pointed out iron is way to slow. I believe he was using aluminum as the magnetic field pickup.
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Hi Guys:
Can anyone answer a question for me about wire cores? To make an iron core out of bailing wire, or any steel wire with or without insulation would you wind the wire around a form as one continuous loop like a coil or would you use individual pieces of wire that wind around the circumference once and join up with their own starting point? It seems that 1 continuous loop would have only 1 flux path especially with insulated wire . With laminated cores the individual plates meet end to end where they join.
Thanks in advance
Vince
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Hi Guys:
Can anyone answer a question for me about wire cores? To make an iron core out of bailing wire, or any steel wire with or without insulation would you wind the wire around a form as one continuous loop like a coil or would you use individual pieces of wire that wind around the circumference once and join up with their own starting point? It seems that 1 continuous loop would have only 1 flux path especially with insulated wire . With laminated cores the individual plates meet end to end where they join.
@vince:
Personally, I would favor using one continuous length of insulated iron wire. This way, you could tap the ends of the wire and extract any current or signal that may be induced therein. Alternately, you could drive the core wire with a signal, possibly allowing real-time control of the core's magnetic properties. Your concern about there only being one flux path is not warranted; the magnetic flux through any cross-sectional slice of the core material will be nearly the same whether you use a looped continuous strand or many individual strands bundled together, so long as the total mass and surface area of the core material remains the same.