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Nali2001

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2008, 02:34:01 AM »
I noticed this before so I finally want to know, where o where you you all get these 'high' quality videos from? I mean I have some of the knows video's that are also on Youtube but their quality is pretty bad. But when I see that video still that is used here it hints to me that there are high quality videos out there. If so please tell me where to find them!

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2008, 03:13:07 AM »
Hi Nali2001,
There is only one guy who has the high res video, and he made public only a few snapshots, which were posted here and there.  Can you guess who that guy is?  :)    Don't bug him about it, lot's of us already asked many times before. 

EM

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2008, 03:47:16 AM »
ill contribute a few thoughts on this subject:

1. SM mentioned "what if" you had 2 magnetic fields flowing in opposite directions. perhaps this could cause the gyroscope effect; and the fact he said "what if" makes it stand out to me.

2. Someone somewhere said that it was a lesser known fact that the coil would overheat after 30 minutes or so and shut down.

3. the low quality videos which prevents you from seeing the subtle nuances either indicates that (besides SM protecting his investment) its a fraud perpetrated by either the power/fuel companies for money interests or by the government to mislead from free-energy/antigravity by commonfolk OR it indicates what i more suspect that SM sold out his fellow scientists and human neigbors hard-core to get his paws on some cash and nobody that gets ahold of this info really wants you to have energy independence or to advance you scientific understanding.

think about it, SM could have leaked these principles of his device to the comman man on this planet, but instead chose to perpetuate suffering of humanity by hiding his findings? Whats the chances of this? What is more likely: that the energy company or govt is leaking mis-information, or that a free-energy scientist would have left humanity suffering?

I call fraud. the whole damn coil thing is a wild goose chase initiated by the enemies of the common man. otherwise the secret would have been long revealed by now, such as hydrolosis or PV cells. I may be wrong and i hope that i am, but just think about it. i dont mean to sound like one of those naysayers at the Ron Paul forum, but im getting very tired of all these free energy devices that dissappear after some guy from Siemans or GE makes a visit, and all the people who search for the answers that only lead to more questions. now THATS a perpetual motion machine.

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2008, 09:45:20 AM »
I think SM has joined two or many Tesla patents let's suppose:
what if we made core of the patent 381970 using baling wire (copper or iron) but setup like the patent 512340 (Tesla pancake coil) maybe 2 or three turns....
We know that one turn only nothing strange happens.... but if we setup this coil in pancake form we have a rotating magnetic field.....maybe something strange happens.... we must try this setup ad see if we are on the right track.

And reading patent 381970 we can see Tesla used:

1)      four spark gaps why 4?  Maybe Tesla testing his patent notice that he must get a "perfect tuning" that with only one spark gap cannot obtain. Instead of spark gaps we can use one diode of right value like frederik2k1 suggest in his topic ( http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4100.0.html)

2)    a generator..... why in this Tesla don't patent only the setup of the coil like pat 512340 (pancake)  but he put the generator part maybe whitout this generator nothing works.....

3) If TPU must have a microgen and we have to run the shaft, we must have a micromotor maybe with 9volt battery that will have discharge time of maybe  "20min..demo" so we will have a 20 min running&vibrating device.

I think SM had 2 problem the battery wear-out and diode overheating

Turz

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2008, 02:47:39 PM »
Here is an interesting excerpt from page 3, lines 1 through 5:
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"...the currents are produced by dynamo-magnetic induction only, the same result being obtained as though the poles were shifted by a commutator with an infinite number of segments."

Jason and I were discussing this line last night.  The word, "only," popped out of this text for the both of us.  What makes, "dynamo-magnetic," induction different than your garden variety induction?

I wonder what, "a commutator with an infinite number of segments," would deliver.


I found another 'floating' point as well: from page 2, lines 64 ~ 69:
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"The construction of this or any equivalent form of converter may be carried further, as above pointed out, by inclosing these coils with iron--as, for example, by winding over the coils a layer or layers of insulated iron wire."

Nothing further is written about this point.  I wonder if, by "equivalent form of converter," does he mean iron both outside and inside, or iron only on the outside?

If the latter is true, outside only, then the wood or cork SM cores we hear of could still fit this patent as an, "equivalent form of converter."

Yet the phrase, "the construction... may be carried further," sounds more like the former is true, iron both inside the core and then 'further' wrapped on the outside.

There may also be three equivalent forms: inside only, outside only (SM), and both inside and out.


Jason said that the generator, with its four brushes and four spinning collecting rings, could easily be replaced by a more simple design that spins the magnets inside the stationary coils, (wound the same way.)  This would do away with the brushes and rings.

Since these brushes and rings are in constant contact, one might assume that there is no 'spark gap' type of activity going on here.  I am not 100% sure that we can do away with the brushes and rings because the metal atoms that make up these parts are not in constant contact; the ring surface is sliding past the brush.

However, Jason may be correct in viewing this generator as nothing more than a 90-degree phase-shifted pair of sine waves.  I hope so; building a generator without brushes and rings would sure be a lot easier to accomplish.

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2008, 02:55:44 PM »

We know that one turn only nothing strange happens.... but if we setup this coil in pancake form we have a rotating magnetic field.....maybe something strange happens.... we must try this setup ad see if we are on the right track.

Turz

hes talking about the tesla pancake coil.

i cant help but think the opposite rotating fields is THE key to not only this device but anti-gravity in general. i bet the idea of connecting 2 bike wheels together and spinning them in opposite directions has probably already been mentioned a few hundred times, but that has got to be the reason for the gyroscopic effect.


 i just saw this from another poster in another TPU thread, but i am inclined to think that whatever method was used to to rotate the opposite fields that it had something to do with tesla patents, whether the below image has anything to do with tesla or whether its a forum member's own idea that is not exactly correlative to the SM TPU i couldnt tell you. Is there a way to make the below example move the field in opposite directions? would that just be 2 of these with a parallel circumferences? or can you wrap 2 of these with opposing direction around the same core?:


Nali2001

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2008, 03:03:53 PM »
Ok thanks EMdevices.
So.. since the 'good' images seem to be scattered around, could someone post these releases higher quality screen captures here please?

Many thanks!
Steven (and  noooo...)

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2008, 03:21:00 PM »
Guys, don't get too excited about this Tesla patent.   It is well understood and he doesn't not claim free energy or anything like that.

The patent illustrates a 2 phase transformer, and it's driven by his 2phase AC generator.   Remember he was the AC guru and he's inventing all these extra devices to go along with his generator/motors. 

What's interesting is that there are motor/generator setups where the stator 2-phase windings are connected together between the identical motors/generators.   You can imagine that his ring (stator) has a rotor inside and you will see that it rotates the rotor when the generator turns, and they will be locked , or rotating in step.   I've seen this in one of my engineering classes.

The infinite comutation is achived here due to the sumation of two perfect sine waves which change their phases with the rotation of the genrator, so in essence we have the equivalent of an infinite commutator.

A good book on electric machines would benefit some of you.

EM

P.S.  Nali2001, we can't upload large files anylonger on this forum, but I'll try and find the thread where some of these things are posted.

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2008, 05:35:59 PM »
Here is an interesting excerpt from page 3, lines 1 through 5:
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"...the currents are produced by dynamo-magnetic induction only, the same result being obtained as though the poles were shifted by a commutator with an infinite number of segments."

Jason and I were discussing this line last night.  The word, "only," popped out of this text for the both of us.  What makes, "dynamo-magnetic," induction different than your garden variety induction?

I wonder what, "a commutator with an infinite number of segments," would deliver.


I found another 'floating' point as well: from page 2, lines 64 ~ 69:
Quote
"The construction of this or any equivalent form of converter may be carried further, as above pointed out, by inclosing these coils with iron--as, for example, by winding over the coils a layer or layers of insulated iron wire."

Nothing further is written about this point.  I wonder if, by "equivalent form of converter," does he mean iron both outside and inside, or iron only on the outside?

If the latter is true, outside only, then the wood or cork SM cores we hear of could still fit this patent as an, "equivalent form of converter."

Yet the phrase, "the construction... may be carried further," sounds more like the former is true, iron both inside the core and then 'further' wrapped on the outside.

There may also be three equivalent forms: inside only, outside only (SM), and both inside and out.


Jason said that the generator, with its four brushes and four spinning collecting rings, could easily be replaced by a more simple design that spins the magnets inside the stationary coils, (wound the same way.)  This would do away with the brushes and rings.

Since these brushes and rings are in constant contact, one might assume that there is no 'spark gap' type of activity going on here.  I am not 100% sure that we can do away with the brushes and rings because the metal atoms that make up these parts are not in constant contact; the ring surface is sliding past the brush.

However, Jason may be correct in viewing this generator as nothing more than a 90-degree phase-shifted pair of sine waves.  I hope so; building a generator without brushes and rings would sure be a lot easier to accomplish.

Must be on the same wavelenth man ... i found those oddities too.

A one coorilation i have come across that is too stricking to pass by is edward leedscalins "special electromagnet" He said for the upmost of efficency to be obtained there would have to be an iron "shell around the copper windings outside/superinposed on top of them. So lets take this for waht its worth

Iron core - copper coil -iron shell- Leedscaling claims this arrangment is most efficent electromagnet

Tesla- Annular iorn ring - primary 4 quadrant fine wire windings copper - Encased in loosly wound coarse iron wire.  He could mean this loose iron wire is the shell but thats too easy and he would have made some other notation to seperate it or he might imply to cover all the existing windings all the B's and C's with what we could call a tertiary coil of tightly wound iron wire.  Just wanted to throw that out there as well
"The thermal breakdown issue is mentioned" in this patent on the first page but is said to be avoided if the specs he lays out are followed.
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When you check out the electromagnetic motor patent that shows the dynamo machine it makes more sense. He shows the little diagram with the magnet position on the induction machine and then the current positon on the converter. I wanna say that the dynamo magnetic induction is devolped because the EM energy usually harvested from the poles on the dynamo /generator/motor are usually hooked into a circuit first where as here the energy gets directly transfered to the closed loop transformer from the windings on the machine. This may let a rotating feild devolp from the quadrants being fired in succession/ inerta

 I can see how this secondary device would keep the dynamo going after it up to speed .. meaning we all pay power companies for starting there generatiors once in a while.. this is awful how bad were being raped now that im understanging it.  Once the dynamos/generators are started with the converter and brought up to speed the inital power source can be removed and this arrangment will keep producing.

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2008, 05:39:14 PM »
Hello EM I send you a personal message.

Thanks!
Steven

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2008, 05:42:54 PM »
Well, inducing a magnetic field that cancels earth magnetic field in nanosecond time produces a bit of turmoil in the atomic lattice which was staying in different magnetic field conditions a moment before.

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2008, 07:21:41 PM »
Guys, don't get too excited about this Tesla patent...

The patent illustrates a 2 phase transformer,...

A good book on electric machines would benefit some of you.

@EMDevices,

If it is just a simple two phase transformer then why do we not see this particular toroidal design used anywhere today, or do we?

Other than those books by/about Tesla and this patent in particular, can you find an example of this design in any of your electric machine books?

If it is not used today then was it replaced with a 'better' design, or is there little demand for two phase transformers these days?

(Thank you for staying on here with us.  :) )

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2008, 01:25:15 PM »
     SM's little tpus have an iron outside winding (bailing wire) around the circumference of a polypro disc.   Bailing wire inductor/plastic disc capacitor.

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2008, 01:33:33 PM »
     SM's little tpus have an iron outside winding (bailing wire) around the circumference of a polypro disc.   Bailing wire inductor/plastic disc capacitor.

double post sorry but while I'm here the vertical coils he pops his magnets on
could be the conductors in the little magnetic resonant circuit of the circular inductor/capacitor lower layer.  The coupling of the primary oscillator is through these coils whose permeability is dependent on the magnets and their response to the ambient magnetic field.  Finally to complete the circuit there is the top torroid an inductor capacitor set up whose capacitor disc is x #of inches from the first disc.  Voltage in the middle current on the ouside.  Voltage the axle/current the spinning electron mass.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2008, 10:00:00 PM by sparks »

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2008, 05:48:38 AM »
 @ Maro-   this is about your danceing magnets.    If SM's small open unit we see him put magnets on the top and strat it up. I must have looked at these a 1000 times. When magnets are close together they ossilate. so now I'm thinking that there is another set of magnets already in the unit and when he sets on the other 2 mags the ossillation starts puting the unit in motion. And then the current builds up and starts output till it hits the critical stage and shuts down. When I was studying ED Leedskalin (hope I spelled his name right lol ) one of the tests were was to get the wire to vibrate between the magnets , very difficult ! but it can be done. the caps I feel are the freqs and also act like a stator on start up.  I feel this supports the simple SS circutry. let me know your thoughts.  LOL I can't belive I getting back into this  :o Oh well here we go again ............. Mike