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Offline sparks

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2008, 05:08:24 PM »
     @Motorcoach

    Hope Marco responds because he knows what is going on.  His Coriolus force explanation of the tpu ou is the best ever postulated.  I came to his findings independently looked back in one of my old threads and there it was in Marco's post.  I'll reiterate my own here and in should in no way be construed as Marco's words or thoughts just a similar finding.
   The input energy of the kick adds inertia to the electrons that are responding to the aetheric  wave traversing the conductor.  These electrons now are seperated from Earth's angular momentum (spin inertia) and are responding to the aetheric wave the Earth warps continously.   They are on their own relative to the rest of the conductor mass that remains in Earth's inertial field.
The rest of the conductor mass progresses through space time in inertial fields quite different than the electrons in the aetheric inertial frame.  This results in charge seperation because the copper ions want the electrons back.  The electrons that joined the aetheric inertial frame are both time and space displaced relative to the rest of the conductor.  They stayed on board the aetheric train, took a ride and stretched the elastic tether holding them to the conductor neuclei.  The Coriolus force brings the aetheric electrons back into the mass of the conductor in a predictable velocity path.
    So our kick energy input is just to seperate  the electrons on the aether train from those that are not.  It does not push them around the torroid coil by inducing a voltage.  The aether supplied us with the emf by taking the seperated electrons for a ride relative to the rest of the mass that stayed with the Earth inertial field.

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2008, 05:34:16 PM »
Question

  Is FE a slight of tung? Play on words? I was thinking about how every time something comes along
  it is always followed by some argument or reason why it is not nor could it be FE.
  Example
  If i could recycle a portion of the power running though a circuit and ramp it up to produce in effect
  by some unknown means the amount of power required to sustain the device's operation it would be argued that it was supplied power in order to start there by not free energy. Am I to believe the FE must thereby materialize out of nothing be sustained by nothing and require neither material nor action to satisfy the term free energy?
  Original I thought it was to gain freedom or self reliance in producing energy for personal use but now it appears to be more about the exact meaning of the language or words used to define an objective.
   Is it about the objective or the objection to the language?
   

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2008, 06:03:15 PM »
@ Sparks - i belive i read that a few months ago , intresting read.  heres a senero / when we boil water we turn it into steam , so now we capture the steam and turn it back into water. the coil acting with the pulse we have a skin effect (+) by nature and the (-) run inside the wire , now the + is in the eather and the next coil needs to pull this and the pulse makes a greater amplitude changeing this back into current ( danceing magnets ) Tesla's air coil and his genarator has this effect. Qtto said the 44 mm seperation was the best mesurement to start with in getting the coils tuned to each other (steam) and reaction (water).

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
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« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2008, 06:52:01 PM »
Rosphere,  the early Tesla designs have advanced a bit since his days.  However, his basic configuration is still found in so many places and motors. My books has lots of diagrams similar to this patent.  He also did recognized many of the problems early on, like eddy current losses.   

His particular ring style winding can be found mainly in generators/motors, but not so much in transformers, since the flux path is partially through the iron, and partially through the air.  As such it can't handle too much power, so nowadays there's better optimized designs for the flux path such that it's all enclosed and passing through a high permeability material with laminations to minimize the eddy currents losses, etc..

By the way, to improve upon his transformer ring design, you would have to stick a high permeability rotor inside the ring, then the flux will be very high.  I'm not an expert on transformer design, but I still have my engineering books and refer to them once in a while and do understand and remember some of the basics.

Once again,  the real ingenious achievement of Tesla in this respect, is this configuration of two coils (4poles) spaced apart physically by 90 degrees, and also driven 90 degrees out of phase electrically.     This produces the smooth rotational magnetic field  (as if infinitely commutated), which is now used quite extensively in a number of motors.  This invention of his played an integral part of the AC revolution.

So is it something special? of course!  Is it free energy, or does he claim free energy in the patent?  No , he does not.  That's all I'm trying to say, don't get too excited about this patent and try to read things into it that are not there.
 
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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2008, 12:00:12 AM »
HI  :)
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Offline MACEDONIA CD

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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2008, 12:12:52 AM »
 ;) ;) ;)

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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2008, 12:33:06 AM »
well we have to keep in mind that although Steven said he was not seeking money for his invention, he did put some things on the device that could be solved for another million....

The magnets were fake as in they only closed a reed switch to close the loop.

Possably, there was a mercury switch inside which deactivated the unit when flipped over.
These switches are used in alarm and temperature control systems.
They are little glass bulbs with two connections and a drop of mercury in them.

Saying this could be solved for an additional million, but what if it could not been solved?
I think Steven had build in some "problems" into the device of which he already had an answer...
But these were only a means to keep the money comming in.

There also is a chance that there were more misleading things to the device visually or in his words then we are aware of.

Why would he add the magnets?
Why would he want to make it look extremly difficult?

There is only one answer to this.....
The device has to be scary simple.

Pherhaps the 4 coils on the open unit were also a means to misguide people so they would think hey tesla patent....

About the dancing magnet vid.
I still do not know what happend there, all i know is that it just did that.
It was a DC field which was modulated and kept above the zero voltage line.
So this is not just pulsing a coil with a simple frequency which grows and shrinks, but it is more a permanent field which is modulated.(field never passes zero voltage so there is always flux, unlike the ac field where there are null points and the field does not exist.)
These are two diffrent things.
I have done many attempts to replicate that same experiment by using magnets and coils but i still did not see the massive movement i saw in that setup.

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2008, 12:37:16 AM »
;) ;) ;)

Sonoluminescence should go fine with that speaker. :) I've tried it myself, BTW, with a 100W tweeter but I wasn't able to achieve a spectacular result. Well, after a bit of experimenting I was able to achieve some strange sonic deviations when I was injecting air with syringe (at other frequencies and placements produced sound didn't change). Also I was able to achieve some freq/position conditions when air bubble was attached to syringe (in other conditions the air bubble simply and obviously goes up) - beside that I was able to see the air bubble shrink on the syringe tip when I was moving the needle up and down. It was obviously an acoustic node where standing wave pressure was high. It's really interesting to see that the bubble does not grow as one would expect - strangely enough, but standing wave tries to collapse the bubble instead of expanding it and turning into a lot of small bubbles (as would logic suggest).

Unfortunately as the frequency was around 10kHz, my ears fatigued fast. I think this experiment should be done with ultrasonic piezo-electric sound generators. Ear protectors should be used as well.

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2008, 02:36:51 AM »
Hi all....
When you put current in a coil with an iron core..you are wasting 1/2 of the energy that goes in the wires....
To get more out of a coil put a steel or iron tube around the coil.
You can do better still....join one end of the tube to the core.
Now the coil makes a N and a S pole at the same end and wastes no magnets that come from the battery of dynamo.......Ed.L
If i use no iron core in a coil i can get more of the currents from iron wire coil than i can get with copper coil....Ed.L
Put a paper box with filings between a U magnet...wrap a small piece of iron wire with paper and place between the U magnet prongs....The wrapped iron wire will pick up the filings...you can do the same with copper wire but on a smaller scale....this shows that during the time the coil moves through the U magnet, the coil becomes a magnet, but its function is double....Some of the individual North and South pole magnets run through the coils wire crossways and some run through the coils wire lengthways....Ed.L
Put U shaped magnet bend up prongs down....N pole N side and S pole S side....push a coil through from West to East.....Ed.L....coil wound clockwise...one wire end pointing East the other end pointing West....coil core pointing N/S
Before the magnets start to run lengthways they are lined up in a square (or at right angles?)
accross the wire...ONE SIDE OF THE WIRE IS  NORTH POLE MAGNET AND THE OTHER SIDE IS SOUTH POLE MAGNET SIDE. When the coil begins to approach the middle of the U shaped magnet and the currents begin to run then the magnets which are in the wire begin to slant, North pole magnets pointing East the same as the coils wire end.......and South pole magnets pointing West the same as the coils wire end.......When the coil reaches the middle of the U magnet the currents stop running...now they only point accross the wire again....Ed.L
To make the magnets run lengthways in the wire the coil will have to move away from the middle of the U magnet.....this time the North pole magnets will point West and the South pole magnets will point East and the current is reversed.
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If a large coil is filled with electrons, and then the coil is completely disconnected at both ends...
What happens to the electrons in the copper wire???
Where do they go?
Connect 2 leads to a car battery....put an iron wire in each clip...put together and pull apart.....something is holding you back...what is it?...
THEY ARE MAGNETS...and both individual North and South pole magnets...Ed.L
During the time the coil broke away from the U shaped magnet...the U shaped magnet was recharged by the air or Earth magnetic field.....Ed.L
Scotty.


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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2008, 04:38:58 AM »
Didn't Ed say that the magnets from a batery are not equal or balanced - more of one than the other?

What if they were balanced? or if the current ratio we use was reversed?

Two currents, Scotty, but what is their significance?

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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2008, 07:19:00 AM »
That's funny...I was going to post about the unequal battery...but i thought i better leave it out....people think i'm crazy as it is... ;D
Ed's theory is all about 2 currents.....he does one test to show that the pos terminal of a battery heats up more and make more sparks....and when J.J. Thompson did the electron test he used a neg bias setup....or to say that the setup used the neg plates of 2 batteries and only the pos plates of one.
Ed said that batteries should be charged by currents from a generator that does not run the negative to the frame or ground..........
He also said that when the magnets go into the battery from the generator they build up a matter that holds the magnets themselves.....later on the acid takes the matter in parts and seperates the magnets and sends them to their own terminals.
THE ONE WHO FINDS OUT EXACTLY HOW IT IS DONE WILL BE A REAL SCIENTIST.  Ed.L
Those magnets that come out the battery and go in the coil can be used to build up some other matter...and whatever the matter is the North and South pole individual magnets are always the base of it...Ed.L
Oh...by the way...in the Northern hemisphere the North pole magnets are going down and the South pole magnets are going up...in the Southern hemisphere it is the opposite....
According to Ed that is.....Hit a vertical iron bar and see.
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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2008, 11:02:42 AM »
 After spending a bit of time looking at the first post and the better quality image of the tpu knowing i have seen that frame shape some where before it finally hit me. It looks like a part of a drive way drain. If you look at your bath tub drain for a refference the pipe comes up from under the tub to a compression fitting.Inside the fitting you have a frame like an X with a threaded hole in the center for the finished screen to sit in or a plunger stopper. In a drive way drain they only need to have a frame for the screening cap to sit into which allows it to be removed incase you have access the pipe. So the top rim has those 4 square tabs (legs) with the square holes for the screen cap to sit in. The tpu frame looks like he cut off the ends of pipe which has that frame ring at the end of the pipe. Then taking two of them he joined them together with some type of rods to provide a space between the two pieces..
  Inside the cut outs of the supports the part where the drain cap would sit are stacks of rectangualr magnets, the type with a hole in the center of the magnet. it also only looks like there is only one active plane the one which holds the wound wire coils.They look to be at right angles in refference to the magnet stacks which are pretty close to only one end of the coil nearest to the magnet stack next to it. has anyone ever seen this orientation where the coil is placed facing the side of a magnet at one half  in any other application?

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« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2008, 02:25:40 PM »
I am absolutely convinced the magnets are needed (at least in the two devices that used them), and from the location of where they are placed,  their function is to bias the core.   When you bias a core you push the B-H curve closer to the NONLINEAR region, and harmonic 'distortion' gets produced, which is beneficial in this case (according to SM).

I found a paper a while ago that described why biasing is also beneficial in lowering the hysterisis loses, etc.., so I have no doubts about the magnets.   The reed switch explanation by Jack was proposed before as well, but I never gave it much credence.  That's my view at least.  Also, could there be a mercury switch?  Maybe,  he seems to turn over the smallest TPU after demonstration, or maybe it's the same upside down phenomena shown with the first TPU.

EM

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« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2008, 02:52:25 PM »
The magnet is probably placed at an antinode of a standing wave of current. 

If it were placed at a node it would not increase the amplitude of the current wave (it can't couple at a node).

Multiple magnets could be used, but too many may start to interfere rather than assist.  Placing small magnets, rather than large ones, at each current antinode might be the best approach.

Read page 4:
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~dodds/Files231/monocord.pdf

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« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2008, 03:00:40 PM »
Doug1,

If you could dig up a photo or engineering drawing depicting this drive way drain you described, that would be much appreciated.

 

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