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Offline Turz

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Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« on: March 20, 2008, 01:40:22 PM »
I think TPU is really based on patent 381970 as suggested by Jack Durban.
Marks cannot patent it because it's a Tesla replica.
He put a 9volt micromotor to run the gen shaft, so this explains vibrations of tpu it is like a cellphone "vibracall"!
This is my opinion.
Turz

Offline nightlife

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2008, 01:55:22 PM »
Turz, where did you get that picture? Do you have more?

Offline CTG Labs

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2008, 04:24:03 PM »
Why should this make free energy?

Offline Koen1

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2008, 04:31:54 PM »
@Turz: thanks for that! I knew I'd seen something very similar
in Teslas work long ago, but could never remember which of the
tons of Tesla papers it was...
Yes, obviously a Tesla replication.
But does it really produce OU, is still the question...

@CTG Labs: well that is a good question, but more one
for the main TPU threads and/or Steven Mark himself... ;)

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2008, 04:48:51 PM »
Contact micromotor is very different to a magnetic motor. In the essense, it is the same as spark gap. Blades in such motor have a physical contact with the shaft and during rotation they create a lot of transients due to physical micro slapping. I believe if you change the motor to a magnetic one, this thing won't be more efficient than a standard power transformer. Though, it's not really known whether contact or magnetic motor was used there.

Offline zerotensor

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2008, 07:36:46 PM »
It has been speculated that this was a "stealth" patent.  If so, we should look for details in the design which are not explicitly spelled-out.

In the written description within the patent, Tesla makes specific reference to the preferred core material.  He suggests using conducting, insulated, iron wire.

Hmm..  sounds like "bailing wire" to me.

Now why exactly should the core material be made of insulated, conducting wire?  Tesla doesn't explain this beyond saying that it increases efficiency.  What if pulses of current could be made to flow in the core wire due to the changing magnetic field imposed by the coils wound upon it?  Could these "kicks" be collected and recirculated?


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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2008, 07:49:48 PM »
Now why exactly should the core material be made of insulated, conducting wire?  Tesla doesn't explain this.  What if pulses of current could be made to flow in the core wire due to the changing magnetic field imposed by the coils wound upon it?  Could these "kicks" be collected and recirculated?

Well, it's way simpler than you probably think. Take a wire, wrap it with insulating tape and then wind the pulse coil around insulation. The need for insulation is that pulse and energy feedback wires work independently of each other. Strangely enough, but this is exactly what I was thinking. :) http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4304.0.html  "Idea: it can be probably useful to wind thin wire (that carries sawtooth pulses) right on the wire of energy feedback circuitry (no need to use magnetic core)" Well, I've only missed the electric insulation part. Of course, it's vital for circuitries to be independent of each other.

After trying this with ferromagnetic material with success, a non-ferromagnetic but conducting material can be tried as well (e.g. aluminium). If there is no current happens in the feedback circuitry, this system is based on magnetic forces and probably does not really deal with atomic structure changes - but what do I know?

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2008, 08:15:27 PM »
I think TPU is really based on patent 381970 as suggested by Jack Durban.
Marks cannot patent it because it's a Tesla replica.
He put a 9volt micromotor to run the gen shaft, so this explains vibrations of tpu it is like a cellphone "vibracall"!
This is my opinion.
Turz

Excellant post! The generator is producing the sparks of one way current. Remove it and replace it with the pager motor. Fold it in.
So who else is going to wind one of these babies up to see what is does? I have 9 in 3 coils. Remember to follow the test instructions carefully.

The interview could have been a ruse just to mention the 381970 patent.

The sm17 has 2 fuse holders in the rear. I showed how these can hold empty fuses to be used as spark gaps.

--giantkiller.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2008, 08:40:52 PM by giantkiller »

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2008, 09:11:26 PM »
It's a solid state device, no moving parts.
He could, however have used reed switches to sense the energizing of the coils.
He seems to have used reed switches to activate the units so based on that, it was on the shopping list.

M.

Offline Localjoe

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2008, 10:18:14 PM »
@ All

My last two posts in GK's thread are of great importance please read them (very short) and look at the pics i captured . I think im on to something.
                                                                                                               Joe

Offline Frederic2k1

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2008, 10:52:09 PM »
Interesting, Tesla spokes in this patent of movement of poles. Does he mean magnetic poles ?
When SM used this arrangement, is that than the reason for the turning compass in the center of the TPU ?

(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5378/movementnx3.png)


Offline Localjoe

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2008, 10:54:52 PM »
It should do the same with a 4 pole motor..... Right

Offline Koen1

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2008, 01:05:53 AM »
Yes, sounds like it, but maybe not really the same...
Sounds like he is indeed talking about using a commutator to
supply ac at a certain frequency (or maybe dc pulses?) to the
outer coils, which induces rotation of the magnetic field
in the core (the central iron wire coil)...
Now indeed if we attach wires to this coil, which he does not
appear to describe (?), we should be able to get pulses out
again as long as we can make the "poles rotate"...
I think. ;)
But unless there is some true magic FE thing going on here
(dare I say "radiant energy"? nah...) I don't really see how
it could produce over unity.
Perhaps if permanent magnets were placed at the right
spots on the core, and the input pulses/ac frequency
is tuned to that magnetic field arrangement properly,
the input oscillations could "flip" the p.m.'s magnetic
field back and forth and so generate a similar rotating
magnetic field arrangement with much less input...
... and that sounds uncannily similar to what Helmut
is trying to replicate (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4191.msg79607.html#msg79607)
although that does not use an iron wire core like
this design of Tesla's...
Well anyway, Helmuts device (the MPI patent) does show a similar
way of "flipping" pm fields using induced oscillations.
This Tesla version would need different locations for the
magnets I guess, but the principle might work...
 :)

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2008, 01:25:31 AM »
   Tesla's primaries are always high mass high current and his secondaries low mass high voltage.  His secondaries are a capacitor made of coiled wire.  Wrap that around the outside of a tpu and I don't know what happens next.

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Re: Tesla patent 381,970 & TPU
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2008, 01:33:11 AM »
I am wavering on the role of iron in the TPU.  After reviewing all the evidence, I think it's likely that no iron was used in the TPU, except perhaps as a structural material.  It is fairly clear from the videos that there isn't a massive iron core in the TPUs.  From the vid where the tpu is cut open, we see that only a few wires get in the way of the jigsaw.  The "bailing wire" reference appears to be to an incidental construction material, (which you can see if you scrutinize the image), rather than being a key to the operation of the device.  I'm not willing to entirely abandon the notion that iron wire was used, but it seems less and less likely as I investigate this further.  This of course leaves me back at square one, utterly baffled by the mode of operation of these units.