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Re: Some clue on TPU device operation
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2008, 11:46:16 AM »
qoute A: DC acoustic waves can be produced from collision of anything with anything - as long as phonon interaction between particles is present.

If I understand correctly, would that mean that if I had 2 coils, with opposing magnetic fields(equals mass), which are created in a very short peroid of time and then vanish again, they would create a DC acoustic wave? Like the 2 clapping hands? And if they clap frequently enough, I would create a magnetic potential?

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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2008, 11:53:18 AM »
see a speaker there, it reminds me that SM worked with speakers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustics#Transduction_in_acoustics

so it should be a gravity wave speaker to receive gravity waves.

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Re: Some clue on TPU device operation
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2008, 01:10:02 PM »
If I understand correctly, would that mean that if I had 2 coils, with opposing magnetic fields(equals mass), which are created in a very short peroid of time and then vanish again, they would create a DC acoustic wave? Like the 2 clapping hands? And if they clap frequently enough, I would create a magnetic potential?
Unfortunately, EM fields are massless, that's why I doubt you can create DC acoustic waves from plain magnetic or electric field interactions. Beside that EM fields do not interact via phonons - they interact via photons. Generally speaking, I think waves (be them EM or acoustic) cannot create DC acoustic waves. Only collision (or avoidance) of two impact waves within matter may produce DC acoustic wave, because impact wave creates a "moving densification of matter" thus forming a kind of solid matter. So it's possible that two EM radio impulses directed toward each other can be also used to create DC acoustic wave formations.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2008, 02:21:17 PM by aleks »

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Offline aleks

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Re: Some clue on TPU device operation
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2008, 01:11:34 PM »
see a speaker there, it reminds me that SM worked with speakers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustics#Transduction_in_acoustics

so it should be a gravity wave speaker to receive gravity waves.
Well, gravity is not so easy to catch and differentiate from earth's gravity field. It should be a nano-scale "speaker" or array of such speakers with some clever arrangement that may filter out non-gravitic influences.

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Re: Some clue on TPU device operation
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2008, 01:27:39 PM »
Although not quite in the realm of this topic, I just want to have some feedback on something I was thinking about concerning some clues on the workings of the tpu.

A car engine, when running at idle, the internal resistance of the engine is in equilibruim with the amount of fuel supplied to the carburator.
If a load put on the engine, the trottle has to be applied to reach an new equilibrium.

The same goes for the tpu.
Obviously, a tpu in operation is in equilibrium. Energy drawn from its illusive source is equal to the energy lost in resistance.

If turned on, a voltage is measured. The voltage is constant. I carefully watch the garage video, specially the moment SM connects the first and second lamp. There is no significant drop in the voltage reading on the voltmeter.(arround 91,2V)

I just tested this at home: I put a voltmeter in a wallsocket, 231 VAC. I switch on a 150W lamp, gives a voltage drop of about 1 VAC . After about 1 sec the voltage is up to 231 VAC again.

So, this makes me come to the following conclusion:

The TPU HAS to have a mechanisme which is able to do that.

I think finding this mechanisme before attempting any replication is vital.


An analogy would be a generator with a big flywheel, driven by a small elektric motor to compensate for resistance and applied load.

I think the tpu is a second order system, and concidering the response time when a load is connected, its energy content must be many times higher then the load.

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Re: Some clue on TPU device operation
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2008, 01:48:22 PM »
The TPU HAS to have a mechanisme which is able to do that.
Not necessary since transition time to the state of balance can be short - so it can be speculated that SM TPU's "cycle" is very short. In case of engine and power line the cycle is long: e.g. big power plant turbines are usually rotating slowly. Power transformers used in grid lines are also usually big and slow.

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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2008, 02:14:47 PM »
Maybe I should refrase: Any replicated tpu has to have a mechanisme capable of ligthing a lamp, without a significant drop in output voltage...

It is my simple attempt to reverse engineer the tpu based on function and properties, instead of parts.

As a mechanical engineer I came accross many control system, elektric motors with encoders and frequency controlers.
As a delphi programmer, I have learned about objects, methods, events and properties.

As to one of the properties of the tpu, its energy source, your DC acoustic wave theory is a good candidate.
Maybe with more people together we can complete the list.

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Re: Some clue on TPU device operation
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2008, 07:10:19 PM »
Spider

A rogowski coil has that feature... The more you load it the more current and the windings are perp to the primary

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Re: Some clue on TPU device operation
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2008, 07:38:00 PM »
@BEP,

That post was a while ago....
 
I know sooooooooooooooo much more today  ;D  ;D

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Re: Some clue on TPU device operation
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2008, 12:02:37 AM »
Sorry.
The cell phone web pages don't show much.

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Re: Some clue on TPU device operation
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2008, 04:31:17 AM »
Hello Rene

A note on load regulation: The devices tested by Schinzinger and others seemed to exhibit excellent load regulation, with no reported change in voltage output  with a two times load increase (amps).

This would point to one of two things, either an inherent extremely low output impedance of the generator or some form of feedback regulation to cause an effective low output impedance.

 In a standard DC machine or generator, this can be accomplished by using the output current drain to directly modulate field current. In some DC machines an extra high current field winding is in series with the output of the DC machine. In this type of self excitation, load regulation can be excellent without any type of "active component regulation control circuit", providing the winding is properly sized (number of turns).

With this in mind, we can hypothesize that a bias winding could be in series with the output such that as more current is attempted to be drawn, a stronger biasing field is produced, thus greater alignment of flux and increased power output as in a DC machine.

 This makes sense from the standpoint that the speed of the rotating field winds up slowly and cannot quickly slew to new values as loads change.

 In the videos, SM makes intermittent contact with the lamps, going from no load to full load a few times. Also in the arcing probe tips as the flame discharge is demonstrated, no load to high load is shown without having to wait for the speed of rotation to catch up.
  As in a DC machine, speed is not necessarily varied, field intensity often is.

These ideas do not rule out active circuitry for output power control, they just point to alternative methods. Anyone familiar with DC rotating generators can appreciate this.

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Re: Some clue on TPU device operation
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2008, 04:10:03 PM »
@Vortex1

In a DC Generator, increasing current draw will increase BEMF and thus increase drag, even if the field coils are directly coupled to the output through any component providing a ratio of output power to the field coil. The drag will still want to stop the generator and thus you will need to compensate with more torque on the drive motor. But from my experience with many DC generators, I have yet to see one that is directly coupling the field coil to the output. These types of generators will usually have a separate two wire connection to the field coils since usually, you will supply this with a different volts/amps then the output. Also the drive motor is usually a set capacity and the only way to produce a variable voltage output is by regulating the power going to the field coil.

This can be more directly seen by standard gas powered generators. The more current you draw, the electronic control will compensate by automatically making the gas engine run with more torque. That is the type of control one would require.

In the LTPU, voltage was already at 800 volts and from the number of lights connected, there was already at least 1 amp of current available. When he did the sparking, he used a resistor on the output. I do not believe that there is any ramping up of current during operation or more precisely during an increase in current draw. This is evident when you consider that each TPU had its particular load matched to it production capacity. On the LTPU, he did not first run it with 5 bulbs, then with 10 bulbs. He used 10 bulbs right away to match the output. The 6TPU was also matched with the loads at 120 volts via the vacuum cleaner, drill and TV via the inverter. The only TPU that showed a variable load was the OTPU when he plugged one then two lamps, but there, the demo presents many flaws including the possibility that the lamps had some batteries in them. The FTPU was never loaded.

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Re: Some clue on TPU device operation
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2008, 02:39:12 AM »
Wattsup

I think we have a communications problem

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In a DC Generator, increasing current draw will increase BEMF and thus increase drag, even if the field coils are directly coupled to the output through any component providing a ratio of output power to the field coil.

Totally agree, never said anything to the contrary.

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The drag will still want to stop the generator and thus you will need to compensate with more torque on the drive motor.

Of course, Lenz's law has yet to be repealed. Did I say something contrary to this?

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But from my experience with many DC generators, I have yet to see one that is directly coupling the field coil to the output. These types of generators will usually have a separate two wire connection to the field coils since usually, you will supply this with a different volts/amps then the output

I never said the field coil was directly connected to the output.  I said "this can be accomplished by using the output current drain to directly modulate field current. In some DC machines an extra high current field winding is in series with the output of the DC machine.

This is the same as using a current shunt on the output and feeding the mV signal from the current shunt to a control device for the field current.  Again, in the example I cited from DC machines at the turn of the century (last one, not this one) the current shunt comprises a few turns of heavy guage wire inside the machine, concentric with the normal field windings and in series with the output.

In this manner load is sensed and compensated automatically, provided the winding is properly sized in ampere turns.
Of course it would be utter stupidity to connect the field directly across the output. That is not what I was implying.

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This can be more directly seen by standard gas powered generators. The more current you draw, the electronic control will compensate by automatically making the gas engine run with more torque. That is the type of control one would require.

In my post I was not referring to a closed loop gas driven generator system that we all are quite familiar with. I was referring to a DC machine as an auxiliary device on a much larger prime mover where feedback to the engine is not possible because it is being used as part of some other power system. e.g hydraulic


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I do not believe that there is any ramping up of current during operation or more precisely during an increase in current draw.

Here we agree and this was exactly my point, there is no time to ramp up the current, so there must be an inherent excellent regulation capability within the device.

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On the LTPU, he did not first run it with 5 bulbs, then with 10 bulbs. He used 10 bulbs right away to match the output.

In the Schinzinger report for the 15" unit he went from one bank of  5  (1.2 amps 614 volts) to two banks of 5 with not one volt drop until the unit heated up later. Then the measurement went down to 598 volts.  So instantaneous load regulation was slightly better than 0.2% considering the limit of readout resolution of the data supplied.

Sorry if I caused any confusion..........think I'll take a break, this bandwidth is too narrow

V

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Re: Some clue on TPU device operation
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2008, 03:34:04 PM »
Short break

For further information on compound fields I have attached a PDF.

Google "series and compound dynamos" and you will get a good idea of the technique.

It appears nearly any regulation load line is possible with this method  from flat to a slight increase in output voltage when the load is increased (percent over compound.)

It is a clever means of load regulation of DC dynamos evolved before automatic electronic systems were possible. It's simplicity and robustness are appealing.

.......V


 

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