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Offline AhuraMazda

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2008, 07:56:26 PM »
Shhhhh... I am trying to listen!

Jack has clarified the issue about the magnets which is great.
My transmission got cut off as he said "I did hear.."

Shuks.


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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2008, 08:05:32 PM »
@all
Show's over now.
So SM is Gay, spent loads of cash and did not invent the TPU, on top of all that he has probably got AIDs and half a ton of investors after him.
The TPU is covered in PVC tape, made of wood, no batteries.
I think Jack must have been asleep when he was working on the device.
Hopefully the clear vids will be of use.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2008, 08:09:30 PM »
HAHAHA
that was fun
and now i know why FBi has after him

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2008, 08:13:31 PM »
@all
Show's over now.
So SM is Gay, spent loads of cash and did not invent the TPU, on top of all that he has probably got AIDs and half a ton of investors after him.
The TPU is covered in PVC tape, made of wood, no batteries.
I think Jack must have been asleep when he was working on the device.
Hopefully the clear vids will be of use.

Regards
Rob


I don't think just holding the TPU in one's hands is considered 'working' on the TPU! As a matter of fact, from the talk, I don't even know if he was even privy to anything first hand. SM gave him a job of coming out with something to mimic his black box and he was witness to perhaps one or two demos and no more. So, if that's the case, I haven't missed much.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2008, 08:26:04 PM »
Well that was interesting as jack has painted a better picture surrounding the politics of the device. Exactly as i said a long time ago  i strongly suspected that the tpu was not SM's but from some old private inventor that may have died by now. Its highly possible the magnets did not play a part in the operation of the device other then the turn on a reed switch.  If the magnet was more critical in operation, then why did the magnet change from 2 rectangular magnets to one then even on one tpu SM is seen position a large magnet from the back of a loudspeaker onto the box in the center to activate it. This is hardly scientific in operation as if the magnet plays a critical part of the operation other then to turn on the reed switch which is of course the usage portrayed by Jack.

Regarding the bailing wire i believe SM was using the phrase ad hoc to refer to common hook up wire. The purchase of wire from radio shack is highly likely given that most US builders are buying stuff from radio shack even today to make a tpu.

Its important to understand that there may well be others that have this technology and its working right now today. Jack seems quite sure about this and given the number of investors plus the burglary its likely at least one unit was stolen and possibly replicated.

So with this information its always possible that when someone comes into the forum as in Spheric and post what appears credible information that it may be someone that has first hand experience of the the tpu somewhere in the world and is trying to help.

Each time we get new information like this its important to go right the way back to grass roots and rebuild the picture of the how and whys.

As much as everyone maybe disappointed  its still a fresh lead. The allegations for true or false may even spur SM to make new contact if he is able to or indeed other parties may now come out the closet.


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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2008, 08:26:45 PM »
So, what I learned from the interview is :

No tubes.

No control units.

Just copper wires, wood and Radio Shack parts mostly.

Cap and Coils on the large unit are just for filtering the output signal.

SM stole the design but has no real idea how it works and has practically zero technical skills.

The coils are in quadrants and not three.  2 primary and 2 secondary coils for a total of 4?

The large unit internals was wood.  Wood and copper wire?

No great explosion risk as far as Jack knows of.

Jack says there are some people that have a working unit and that there are schematics from SM himself that Jack may be able to get a hold of and share with us here.  The high quality video will be helpful also.

Past 20 minutes, the unit over-heats.  This is the current barrier.

"Spherics" was a company associated with SM in the outside car test!  There is no coincidence here.  Someone in the know posted some information here under the name "spherics".  How else would they know this name?  Did anyone else catch that in the interview?

SM's questionable character explains a lot about why  the TPU never made it past the video stage.  Unregulated greed on his part.

This could be a major help for TPU development.  It appears that Mannix may have been dupped.  SM may have very well been feeding him bad information to prevent others from developing the TPU?  Or maybe he just wanted to get attention? Who knows.  If this can move past SM, it can only be for the best.  If he really wanted to help, he would have given us schematics by now.  He hasn't.

Jack sounded credible and his explanations make more sense than what we heard from SM.  There were NO tubes!  It was a wild goose chase.  I look forward to what Jack has to contribute.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2008, 08:37:01 PM »
Did anybody catch how this is linked to the 381970 Tesla patent?  Did it just look like the patent based on what he saw through the tape or did SM give him this clue when he hired him?   

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2008, 08:40:50 PM »
Yes as Jack has no internal workings on the device and Spherics appears out of the blue within 24 hours of Jack turning up this may not be a coincidence. Who would be so bold as to start a new thread titled??

"Complete information on working SM style device."

unless you have a pretty good idea of how it works or your otto of course LOL

The theory is highly justifiable more then 96% of the other threads IMO.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2008, 08:43:43 PM »
The interview was interesting from a political aspect, but weak on usefull technical information.

I took notes as the interview was unfolding and here?s some of the facts and inconsistancies.


1)   Jack Durbin is recruited by Steven?s boyfriend  Mercury Marilla, who has a criminal record for indecent exposure in public.  (in the past Steven himself has been accused of the same)

2)   Marilla wants to steal the information from Steven, or discover the secret, or wants to duplicate the function using transmission of power.  Jack investigates Tesla, microwave technology

3)   Steven Marks 3D audio technology is a sham and he has speakers imbedded in the celling etc. and looses important backers when he tells them he just adjusts the equalizer to get the right sound.  Apparently Jack worked for the same company with Steven?  The Spheric spinoff Extreme Technologies, which had some products marketed for a while.

4)   Jack only saw the larger unit.

5)   Jack mentioned the gyroscopic effect as similar to a wobbly motor, you can almost feel the thrust in different directions as it vibrated in quadrature.  [note he mentioned he held it in his hand in the air, but the larger device is placed on table?]

6)   Jack firmly believes the technology is real and there are no hidden batteries.

7)   He mentioned the technology is similar to Tesla quadrature coil patents

8 )   The parts for it are from Radio Shack, he doesn?t think there is any solid state controls, or special iron wire

9)   There is a heat effect which is exponential (nonlinear) and kicks in heavily around 20 minutes into the operation.

10)    Jack knows some others who have been working on the technology and report the same effects.

11)   Jack has a high resolution video he will share

12)   He comments the magnets were used to open a reed switch, but in view of the fact he only saw the larger unit, which does not use magnets at all, these statements about the magnet are questionable.

13)   He mentioned the contactee from Australia might not have been in contact with the real Steven,  [a swipe at Lindsay? credibility and the wealth of info revealed perhaps?]

14)   Jacks main reason for coming forward is to HELP the community that is struggling to discover the technology.

15)   He also revealed two ?bombsheels? in his opinion.  A)  Steven is homosexual, B) his 3D technology was fake

16)   Jack had an NDA signed with Steven and it expired, so that?s another reason he came forward when he did, but waited a while to make sure.

17)   Jack is willing to come over to overunity.com and help in anyway he can.

18)   He never measured the output of the unit.

19)   He never saw the waveform, no oscilloscope

20)   Steven is described as being very unskilled and uneducated.  (mentions example of putting the device in water instead of oil to cool it)

21)   The demonstrations were done at a rented house in Lemon Heights

22)   The person filming is Bill Cavenaght, an attorney  (spelling might be off)

23)   Only Steven knew how it worked in the whole company.

24)   Technology might have originated in France. Steven sent PhD  guy David Doleshah to investigate French connection

25)   Jack mentions large TPU is built on particle board, just for the shape, and also mentions Steven used speaker mount rings  (perhaps for the open TPU unit)

26)   No patents were filed in Jacks opinion

27)   Jack speculates about Schuman resonance as being a possible explanation, also mentions the interference with submarine communications (nothing new here)

28)   Jack has lots of patents to his name and has done product development for some time. His website iswww.vorel.com  and also  www.vorelco.com

It seems the only thing Jack might have of interest to this effort is a clean first generation video of what?s already available on the internet (youtube, etc..) 

His other comments are quite basic and nothing which can?t be witnessed from a video.    Did he really see first hand the device?  My personal opinion is that he did NOT really see the device in person, I sensed conflicting messages as he spoke, which is normal in an interview, but we need to address them in more detail.  For example he mentions no control board, and mentions choke toroids are inside the control box, when in actuality they are ON TOP of the box, etc..  small details like that.  We need to explore all these things with him when he joins us.

EM

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #69 on: March 19, 2008, 08:44:44 PM »
.....
So with this information its always possible that when someone comes into the forum as in Spheric and post what appears credible information that it may be someone that has first hand experience of the the tpu somewhere in the world and is trying to help.

....

Yes, that was what I wanted to add in my previous post except I did not remember whether that was in the first part of the live talk or the telephone questioning time. Nevertheless, maybe Spherics is really SM in disguise? If so, the news of his demise has been greatly exaggerated!

cheers
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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #70 on: March 19, 2008, 08:47:10 PM »
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the Tesla drawing. Jack has already stated its a guess  that it might be based on the tpu coils he saw. As he never cut one open or see  schematic the information is no better then anyone else's. New clear videos might be a great help in counting windings though. Every bit helps.....

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2008, 08:49:47 PM »
Hi All,
I recorded the whole show.
I converted it to MP3 already and it is 27 Mbytes.
I will now upload it to megaupload.com
and post the link soon.

Well, all in all, he ripped the character of Steven Mark pretty apart to be a gay "partyguy"
but Jack never saw a single scopehot of the device and does not know how it works...

Well, I am not sure, if he is right, that Steven Mark has no knowledge about LC circuits...
Then who did write the paper for his 3D audio patent ?


At least we can hope now that Jack can provide a much better quality video tape
and maybe can recognize again the people who were involved with this all
and comes forward with a few more names to contact who might know more about it
than he himself.

Anyway, it was an interesting show, although we know already more  about the
devices than Jack.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #72 on: March 19, 2008, 09:04:14 PM »
Okay, it is now uploaded at:


http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=OAB96USF

If you click this link there comes at the top a 3 digit code,
that you have to input into the form right to it.
Then you have to wait 45 seconds for the countdown and then
you can click the download link.

You don?t need to register with megaupload.com
to get the file.
It is a free download sponsored by their ads, thus you
have to wait these 45 seconds.

Enjoy !
I hope Mr. Durban comes soon forward with the higher res video.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #73 on: March 19, 2008, 09:04:46 PM »
We also need to bear in mind that Jack may be trying to blackmail SM with the tapes/files he found and that is his motivation for coming forward publicly. (It seems unlikely, but is possible that this was added to give an air of credibility to his other information, though it would seem pointless as his account was bound to be doubted, at least at first, without other proof).

You must also bear in mind that nothing much that he said could not have been put together from basic research done on this board in the last couple of years. Likely he has been watching the board for some time. Everyone has always know SM was dodgy, otherwise he would have done the right thing in the first place, that much has always been obvious to most. His sexuality has no relevance here.

All this definitely calls into credibility any info provided to Mannix, from an objective point of view, though I am sure Mannix is genuine in his efforts to move this forward. If Jack knows more about this source, he should tell.

I do not think tubes can be discounted until this source can be verified as credible, which for me will rely on Jack producing the high quality videos, which makes his claims more credible. If he has the schematics why would he need so much lab time to work out how it works? Who are those he knows who have got a device which generated gyroscopic effects? SM has at least one genuine patents, I believe, so if he has no electronics knowledge how did he do that, did he steal the design?

Thanks Stefan for the MP3.

A, the vids will be the test...

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #74 on: March 19, 2008, 09:09:59 PM »
Well done to everyone who took part and asked questions. It was good to put a voice to some of the names

I missed the first half hour and the last 15 - 20 minutes (dropped feed) so will be looking forward to Stefan posting the whole interview.

It's a step in the right direction, contact with somebody who has been in the same room as a working TPU!

 

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