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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2008, 09:20:13 PM »
@Jdo300

Here are some questions.

Under a heading of "Cutting the TPU"

1) Were you there when SM cut the TPU.
2) Do you know what happened to that particular TPU and the cut parts.
3) If you were there, can you describe what you saw.
4) Do you remember any preparation discussions on any strategy SM wanted to use in order to decide were to do the cut on the TPU. Example - Location of least impact on the operation, location of least internal windings.
5) Before cutting the TPU he said it took him 6 months to build the unit. Do you agree and what in the unit could possibly take so long to build. Example 50,000 feet of wire, etc.

Under any other headings;

1) Have you ever had discussions about wire type such as Litz wire, lamp wire, bailing wire.

2) Did any of the TPUs make any peculiar sounds, clicking, ticking, snaps, etc.

3) Regarding the Open TPU (demo video in a garage) were he put on two magnets, we know he pushed a switch on the device and we also know there were batteries in one of the units legs and the unit was getting hot to the touch. Do you now anything else about this unit? Such as ring material(s), the circuit was visible - did you see it up close, etc.

General Questions;

1) As an inventor and holder of many patents yourself, did you not find it rather puzzling that SM would be able to build his first TPU, and afterwards have sooooooooo much trouble building a second one. This type of situation would be more consistent with someone having a TPU fall in their lap from who knows were, and afterwards trying to replicate it without taking it apart to not break the only working model. What are you thoughts about this.

2) What are your thoughts on why this technology is not already available on the market. Do you believe this technology was shelved or has the TPU remained in an unreliable state. Please elaborate.

Regarding the Large TPU (LPTU)

1) What are values of the two black capacitors and the two yellow capacitors.
2) There is a white connector. Do you know how many wires were on each side.
3) The two center toroid coils were mounted on their own original brackets making these either off the shelf toroids or taken off some other equipment. Do you  know anything about them.
4) Have you ever made a rough wiring diagram of the LPTU as per the wires that are visible.
5) The TPU was mounted on some pretty thick wooden base. Why so thick. We can calculate that according to such thickness SM could have had up to 200 x 9 volt batteries hidden under the base of the TPU. Any comments on this.
6) Do you know anything about the internal core material of the LTPU.
7) SM said the LPTU was "made with bailing wire". Do you know what he meant by this.
8) The only place there could be a circuit is in that small black box under the two toroids. SM talked about 2-3 frequencies, pure audio signals, moving a magnet over 1000 wires. In 1996, it would be impossible to harbor mosfets, drivers, heat sinks plus the energy required to drive these inside that black box. Do you know anything about what is inside that black box.

Any of these questions would be good to answer.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2008, 09:26:33 PM »
@jdo300

It might be worth asking him if he is aware of how SM solved the problem of it working only one way up, the answer might give a useful indication into its method of operation. Also it might be useful to know if he was aware of any major construction/operational differences in the different size models.

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Logically remove the biasing which created one way up operation to start with.  The early models has the small toroidal right on top. This must have provided up bias. In later models you notice the small toroidal sat lower and lower till eventually it was inside the tpu in the small units. This comes at a cost of efficiency though because when you understand about the construction of the emulator you will notice you lose the 3D target by doing this. I dunno about you but its the least of anyones worries.:)

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2008, 09:33:28 PM »
@Jdo300
Here are some questions.
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3) The two center toroid coils were mounted on their own original brackets making these

WattsUp,

the two center toroid cores are standard, everyday common-mode line chokes.
Normally they are used between the wall outlet and the electronic equipment.
All switching power supplies need them.
They let the 50 -60 Hertz line voltage through, but block higher frequencies.

Would be perfect to let the DC from the collector pass through, while blocking high-frequency noise.

Earl


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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2008, 10:01:16 PM »
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In 1996, it would be impossible to harbor mosfets, drivers, heat sinks plus the energy required to drive these inside that black box.
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Errm of course thats not true! Are you sure you really mean 1996 and not 1896? :) I was making hi power RF amps using mosfets back around 1990. However i suspect that when the thing is running right hardly any power was required. From Bedinni to Joe Newman stuff they all tell you that all you need is volts not amps to create a catalyst. Thus it would be very easy to use one of the miniature 12 volt round batteries which is about 1/2 size  AAA used in remote alarm fobs. 3 shift registers, one clock, 3 fets should get change out of 50 mA. Once the unit is running don't use any battery power.




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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2008, 10:25:52 PM »

Of course, I'll still be interested to see what comes out of the radio show, but I'm not convinced.


Why don't you first listen to the show and then respond?

I am convinced.

M.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2008, 10:49:05 PM »
...This is done by attacking me rather then the demonstration as viewed in
the video tapes.
That is because most of the demonstrations I gave were to engineers and
scientists who confirmed the validity of the power generated by my
technology.

I found the secret when I read in some books about electron
tubes.

I would like to point out that there have been many, many large offers for
me, my technology the company, you name it.



Keep an open mind folks and don't jump to conclusions just yet.

EM

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2008, 10:57:53 PM »
@Earl

If those chokes were so common and everyday, then my question is, what's the point of putting a magnet next to it. I have done that with common chokes and there is nothing going on. So this would show the magnet ruse. What I would like to know by asking the question is are these toroids so amazingly different from others that make them receptive to a magnet.

@bolt

The point is the TPU was producing a minimum of 800-1000 watts of juiceroni. Getting your mosfets and driver and all the other ancillary control circuitry that you would require is such a confined space to handle 1000 watts of power of at least 1 amp is pretty serious and I just cannot fathom controlling 3 frequencies, capturing any feedback at 1000 watts, in such a small box just does not make sense. Now if the control was simply pulsing DC here and there, then I would agree, but to describe the function of a TPU will require the control for that function and I just can't see it fitting in that box.

Example: @Honk who I would consider as being a top notch EEer made a circuit for JackH and it was at least twice the size handling only 1/3 of the power, and it blew. So the question is why don't all these analogies fit inside this small black box. The only answer that fits is that it was not doing all these things. The function was much simpler then we think, so simple that any inkling of the function would have given it away, and hence all these stories.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2008, 11:27:56 PM »
giantkiller, thank you for that link and I too am very curious of what Jack has to say. I am hoping that Tesla's patent is mentioned as well as its relevance to Steve Marks device.

 I have been thinking real hard about this and after reviewing Tesla's patent dates and the patents that were submitted, I am a very firm believer that Steve's TPU is the same and it is and or is close to what I think it is based on what I find Tesla's patent to be.

 It was said to only run for about 20 minutes because it gets to hot. I am thinking that it would get hot but that also the capacitors used should only last about 20 minutes based on the size they have to be. Tesla's device used the back EMF from the pulsing action which we all know, adds to the life of the power source used by redirecting it back to the power source.
 You would be very surprised on how many actually know of a back EMF and the advantages of utilizing it. It all the videos I have watched, not once was the question of a back EMF being used.

 My question to Jack would be, is there any capacitors and is the back EMF being utilized? Another question should be if the capacitors are recharged?
 I have a feeling he doesn't know this because it was said that he actually never seen the device taken apart. If he cant answer any of those questions positively, then he is no help to us other then to help steer us in the wrong direction.

 Tesla's U.S. Patent 685957 and U.S. Patent 685958 are the ones we should be focusing on as well as modifying and updating them with today?s technology. These are the real frequency receivers that he has invented and if his TPU was a frequency receiver, he would have never taken the time to patent these two after he had already patented his TPU device.
 Another thing is that he didn?t patent the Tesla coil until after he patented his frequency receiver which was wasn't patented until 13 years after his TPU patent. That tells me that he knew nothing of receiving frequency?s before he patented his frequency receiver. I am also convinced that he never knew what the raw form of energy really even was. If he did, he would have never referred to energy as different energy's such as radiant and electrons.
 
 It drives me nuts to hear of people referring to energy as different things like radiant, magnetic or electrons. Common sense tells me it has to be vibrations with in frequency's. The more vibrant the frequency, the more powerful the energy.

 A simple example of this would be things that smell. Our noses smell these things because the fragrance is actually vibrations that our noses detect like how our ears detect sound. The louder the sound, the more vibrant it is and the stronger the smell, the more vibrant it is.
 I think the thing we need to focus on is the vibrations of fragrances. We can create smells by using certain vibrant frequency's because Hutchinson has done this along with others. If we can produce them, then we should be able to attract them like we do with sound frequency's.

 This now leads to another experiment in which I will post in the thread, Nightlife?s wacked out idea's. Based on what I have concluded, I have to say that this thread as well as others like it dealing with Tzu?s like the one Tesla had patented, are dead ends and a waste of time to pursue.

 I hope I am wrong but I just cant see how I am based on what I have posted. Good luck to you all but be very skeptical about what any one has to say about a TPU that is based on the one like Tesla has patented.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2008, 11:35:01 PM »
Its hard for me to say as i never built one but its absolutely not the route i would go down to believe or even think its necessary for the mosfets to handle 1kw on the large tpu is a good example. The control box is a timing and voltage amplifier nothing more. The mosfets are NOT acting as a switch mode power supply in the tpu certainly not in the output stage anyway. All of the designs bear witness to this fact. There is  plenty of excellent theory on this site now thats testament to get a tpu working but not many have the time or resources to do it. In my opinion for what its worth the  nuclear magnetic resonance theory using 3D geometry offers the best solution for a tpu. The tpu is an iron atom emulator thats the best description i can think of and this design would require milliamps and fit in a match box.

As SM has raided bits from stuff laying around his workshop non of these tpu are professionally made. The small toroidals raided from main filters, the box maybe from an old amplifier that already had a heat sink on it but it allowed the 3 fets to be screwed in the right places as the holes lined up nice.  The wooden base found laying around in the garage for the large tpu and the covering of the TPU is of model aircraft construction home made stuff covered in plastic SolarFilm to cover the wires. The aero shape of the large tpu was model aircraft construction clearly seen when it was cut open with the jigsaw. You can even see the heat shrunk over the wires.  Even the toggle switches look like an old toggle switch from a car dash board. I bet it was a fog light kit:)  The open frame TPU looks like an old plastic wire spool thats been hacked about.  Nothing here is NASA stuff!

However the timing, geometry and the exact cut lengths of wire in the tpu would never allow a kitchen table builder to make one in a thousand years.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2008, 11:57:04 PM »
@all,

let's see what Mr Durban has to say before we go wild again with theories.   There will be plenty of time to incorporate any new information into our theories/experiments.

EM

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2008, 11:58:24 PM »
Erfinder, sorry but if Tesla knew how to produce electricity from thin air, he would have never invented something to admit electricity in the air nor would he have invented a way to attract and utilize the electricity he had emitted in the air. Tesla's TPU device was invented 13 years before his inventions of admitting electricity and attracting electricity from the air.

 Tesla wasn't an idiot and to say he invented a way to receive electricity from the air by using a TPU that was mobile and then 13 years later invented one that had to be stationary and didn't put out near as much power, would be the same as saying he was an idiot.

 Think about it and really try to understand his patent of a TPU device as well as what it was intended for.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2008, 12:12:21 AM »
What is fascinating is the amount of  interest shown here as opposed to the interest in the thread that Spherics started...
I hope that some of you see the difference and relevance ..
I guess a good story has more value than actual experiments

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2008, 12:21:33 AM »
Here are two of perhaps the best vids on youtube that demonstrate the use of this power. In the water heater  video this is keely stuff and demonstrates that you only need an extremely low power source of the correct frequencies to create massive amounts of power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06iCfowinUM

Like the TPU the geometry and the frequencies are vital to correct operation a tiny PP3 is all that is required.  Likewise Joseph Newman is a bit of a nutter but he also shows you only need voltage to create an abundance of power.

in this next video this generator is collector and amplifier the back EMF to produce an abundance of power. Notice how the lead from the lamp fitting takes output power and feeds it back to the input motor. The plausibility of the video is backed up further by the drop in power when he switches from mains to self running mode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYmrQ8q0F98&feature=related






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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2008, 12:43:22 AM »
bolt, sorry but those two videos are not all they are said to be nor should anyone think of them to be anything more then just attempts to fraudulently get people to invest in their ideas.

What the videos real close. the first one is never activated and if it was, it was done before the footage was recorded. He was asked to start it and all he did was hooked a probe in the voltage tester.

The second video shows the tops of the coils on the device and I for one know that this can not produce more energy then it consumes. He must be using capacitors as well as the back EMF to make it run and then it will only run as long as the power is supplied.

I have noticed that a lot of people are using the back EMF's as a way to try and fool people because of it's advantage it has in preserving the current not used. It maybe very efficient which would allow it to run for a long time on very little amperage. I would go in to more detail but I can't at this time because of a project I am working on with a pulse motor design.
Refer to his motor and that of a bedini pulse motor and you get the same results.