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Author Topic: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !  (Read 207714 times)

Offline Laserrod

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2008, 04:44:14 AM »
This Durban anouncment smells like distraction because of the post by Speres from today.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2008, 05:02:46 AM »
Is anyone else having problems trying to download Tesla'a patents? My computer goes crazy everytime I try.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2008, 05:08:09 AM »
If this is true then this confirms my suspicion of him not really creating the device. A while back I posted on his choice of vocabulary. I found that he has never said "my tpu". I don't remmeber at all him saying "my". It was always "the tpu". I would suppose this to be a habit when talking about something that isn't really yours. Makes me feel strange. I'm fucking scared right now. Please excuse my language, but thats how stunned I am. :o :o :o

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2008, 05:08:09 AM »
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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2008, 06:18:25 AM »
Hi Everybody,

I've been gone for quite some time but am still very active on this project. Like Giantkiller, I've been on this project since the forum was started and have seen all kinds of people and claims about the TPU come and go. For the present time, I choose neither to accept or reject what Jack Durban has to say. On one hand, it would be fantastic if what he is telling us is the truth and could help us get to a breakthrough. But on the same hand, I'm not to eager to start believing a perfect stranger who just shows up one day and claims to know everything (especially considering what he said about Steven).

All I'm saying is be optimistic but don't be naive. I have a feeling that we will know what we are dealing with for sure after the audio interview with Sterling.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2008, 07:00:27 AM »
Is anyone else having problems trying to download Tesla'a patents? My computer goes crazy everytime I try.

Nightlife:
   Search for Pepe's Tesla Pages and you can find them all there in GIF format. Only pain is they are one page at a time.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2008, 07:07:36 AM »
It has been suggested that Mr. Durban's conversations with Tim Ventura regarding antigravity tech,

http://www.americanantigravity.com/graphics/interviews/John-Dering1.wma
http://www.americanantigravity.com/graphics/interviews/John-Dering2.wma

were limited by Jack's loyalty to the non-disclosure agreements he entered into with his employer (SARA).

Skirted-around but heavily hinted-at are the roles of mercury and bismuth (highly diamagnetic elements) in gravity modification.

He is careful, but can be encouraged to drop some BIG hints.  His research of Gabriel Kron's work is for sure on the right track.

Wow how did i conflate Jack Durban and John Dering?  My mind must have been in "abbreviation mode"!  J.D. ~= J.D.

Sterling, it would be informative if at some point you were to drop terms like, "toroidal topology" and "hopf fibration", during the interview...  I'd be interested to hear Jack's reaction.  (Of course I don't presume to disrupt the natural flow of the conversation-- I just imagine that there may be some clever coil geometry at play if the device is real.)  Anyhow, the "coil geometry" topic should be explored.


« Last Edit: March 18, 2008, 04:02:28 PM by zerotensor »

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2008, 07:33:09 AM »
ps

I am also guarded wrt this.

Disinfo?

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2008, 07:33:09 AM »
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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2008, 07:55:52 AM »
Based on the following list of patents, they are all dated the same and I feel that all of these must be paired together to give us a better understanding of what his thoughts were at the time. Each one of these may hold a piece of the puzzle that we are all trying to solve. I can't seam to download any of these because my pc goes nuts and I have to literally unplug it to get it to stop.
 I am also understanding that some patents have been lost, stolen and or hid. I would like to know if any of them were lost, stolen and or hid at the same time these were recorded. It's just funny how all these are recorded on the same date.

U.S. Patent 381968 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=381968) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=381968); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=381968)) - Electro magnetic motor - 1888 May 1 - Mode and plan of operating electric motors by progressive shifting; Field Magnet; Armature; Electrical conversion; Economical; Transmission of energy; Simple construction; Easier construction; Rotating magnetic field principles.
U.S. Patent 381969 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=381969) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=381969); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=381969)) - Electro Magnetic Motor - 1888 May 1 - Novel form and operating mode; Coils forming independent energizing circuits; Connected to an alternating current generator; Synchronous motor.
U.S. Patent 381970 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=381970) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=381970); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=381970)) - System of Electrical Distribution - 1888 May 1 - Current from a single source of supply in the main or transmitting circuit induce by induction apparatus; Independent circuit(s); Electric distributor.
U.S. Patent 382279 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=382279) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=382279); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=382279)) - Electro Magnetic Motor - 1888 May 1 - Rotation is produced and maintained by direct attraction; Utilizes shifting poles; Induction magnetic motor.
U.S. Patent 382280 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=382280) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=382280); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=382280)) - Electrical Transmission of Power - 1888 May 1 - New method or mode of transmission; Dynamo motor conversion with two independent circuits for long distance transmission; Alternating current transmission; Includes a disclaimer; Economic; Efficient.
U.S. Patent 382281 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=382281) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=382281); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=382281)) - Electrical Transmission of Power - 1888 May 1 - Improvements in electromagnetic motors and their mode or methods of their operations; Motor is wound with coils forming independent circuits on the armature; Armature is mounted to rotate between two different poles; Armature will eventually synchronize with that of the generator; Windcoils or coils on the field magnets; Expose to continuous current to maintain a permanent field.
U.S. Patent 382282 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=382282) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=382282); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=382282)) - Method of Converting and Distributing Electric Currents - 1888 May 1 - Related to electric distribution systems; Current is from a single main source or suitable transmitting circuit; Induction into an independent circuit; Divide the current from a single source; Transformations; Discovery of method to avoid prior liable and dangerous methods; True Dynamic induction.

 As for Jack Durban, he claims that he actually never was able to take the TPU in question apart to see what it consisted of, so based on that, I have to be real skeptical with what he has to say.

 Another thing I noticed was patents Tesla had recorded 13 years later. they are listed as follows. It is strange that these next two would be thought of after the TPU unless he didn't figure out what powered the TPU until around this the time of these next patents were recorded. Based on these next two patents, he has devised a way to extract energy from sunlight and other radiant supply's. Why would he do this if the TPU worked as we all hope it to?
 Another thing is that he recorded the Tesla coil just a few months later and if the TPU worked as we hope it to, then why would he have messed with inventing the Tesla coil?
 
 U.S. Patent 685957 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=685957) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=685957); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=685957)) - Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy - 1901 November 5 - 4 illustrations; Radiation charging and discharging conductors; Radiations considered vibrations of ether of small wavelengths and ionize the atmosphere; Radiant energy throws off with great velocity minute particles which are strongly electrified; Rays or radiation falling on insulated-conductor connected to a condenser (i.e., a capacitor), the condenser indefinitely charges electrically; Radiation (or radiant energy) include many different forms; Related to US577671; Transmitted or natural energy can be used; Photoelectric stepping alternating current motors.
U.S. Patent 685958 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=685958) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=685958); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=685958)) - Method of Utilizing of Radiant Energy - 1901 November 5 - 2 illustrations; Ways of using radiation charging and discharging conductors; Rays or radiation falling on insulated-conductor connected to a condenser (i.e., a capacitor), the condenser indefinitely charges electrically; Radiation (or radiant energy) include many different forms; Related to US577671; Photoelectric stepping alternating current motors.

 I am having doubts about Tesla?s TPU working as we hope it to and that it is nothing more then a power transformer, transforming DC from a capacitor to AC but in a more efficient way then we are a custom to by utilizing the back EMF from the pulses.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2008, 11:25:42 AM »
Jack's comments are of no assistance and my firm opinion is that he is engaging on a fishing exercise.
You will note that his comments contain no substance and are written in the style of a journalist.

The reasons that he has done this are only known to him but i would not be surprised if they included an investment opportunity at some stage.

He has not ever had a tpu
He did not work with Steven...I could go on but I wont.. subject closed for me.



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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2008, 02:16:20 PM »
@Mannix

Sorry but I am not in agreement.

I think Jack Durban has shown us his credentials enough to present himself as a credible construct in this ever expanding saga and I can only hope that his coming information will help us break this question. I cannot see any possible advantage for Mr. Durban to come forward save the fact that he has honored a tight lip policy and now realizes this policy no longer can hold him down.

The implication of just "one" key piece of information, that I am sure he does not even realize he has, since he probably has not delved into the TPU question as heavily as many here, would send this group off very quickly into more pertinent areas of discovery.

Something as mundane as "oh, by the way the magnets are a ruse and only used to close a reed contact" spells volumes in the simplification of any TPU design.

I think the disinformation started when SM came here with so many contradicting analogies regarding a basic simple function, with obvious limited components, making it "impossible" for all these analogies to apply to any one device. These stories were designed to lead us in the wrong direction but fortunately for people here on this board, they have shown a resilience and a fervor that has pushed this endeavor into directions that SM could only dream of, and the offshoot of all these efforts will be a better more reliable and durable TPU then thought possible.

Very simply put, when he came here, he did not at first realize the caliber of minds on this board (hey hey - mine not included - I know), but when he started to realize that "hey - wait a minute - if I shoot off my mouth too straight these guys are going to catch this so fast it isn't funny, so I better make sure they don't". This left him with what? All he could credibly talk about was what he really knew and that was tv/audio, so you get the tube, the frequencies mixed with some basic elementary Tesla.

So I am very sorry but anything anyone having first hand participation, talking "live" is just as valid in my book and even more so since the person in question has come forward after 10 years and this will hopefully only push others with some direct insight into coming forward.

Besides, this f*&kin rock we all live on is going to hell in a hand basket and we do not have the time to putz around and not try to "hurt" SMs feelings. There is only one Prime Objective and no one can stand above it. I think Jack Durban understands this now and his help would be most welcome.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2008, 02:44:56 PM »
I agree the magnet trick led us up the garden path for a long time. I went into a wild goose chase of believing the initial kick was between the magnet and the small toroidal. If we knew for sure from the off the magnet was only used to turn the damn thing on and off it would have saved a million man hours checking this stuff out. We now know the magnet was NOT required.

Also Jack now tells us that SM was replicating something that may not been his to start with. Now thats interesting as SM already stated he had one working unit and spent about a year and few hundred coils more to replicate the device. This makes perfect sense because if i gave you a working TPU in your hand im in no doubt it would take you the same amount of time to get a working unit if you had no idea how it actually works. It would take you a long time to realize that the 3 coils were cut to exact resonance and the small toroidal on top ran at 3 times the frequency of the others and then you had to work out the timing sequence all from a model in your had that you could not cut open and destroy. We can only speculate where the master came from maybe an old inventor that was a genius to replicate Tesla work and SM bought it from the old man which has now died...........anything is possible! Other proof of concept includes making a bailing wire TPU from iron wire. This would be a typical mistake of someone realizing that the tpu was emulating revolving a magnetic field was akin to an iron core. With fundamental knowledge absent a  DIY builder would dive straight in and start using iron wire and while this will work will be extremely inefficient  and produce more heat then power thus the first tpu we see was rated at 25 watts.

I might be wrong but SM has always been free to come here to defend these claims if he wanted to regardless of any NDA's or not. Its more plausible SM purchased the unit for  nice sum or was given it for marketing purposes only to raise venture capital.

We should not discount anything Jack say it  only adds to complete the picture as if we are dealing with a crime scene:) Leave no stone unturned.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2008, 03:49:01 PM »
@nightlife
I use http://www.pat2pdf.org exclusively. it has never bombed yet.
also your http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat381968.pdf and other links show an extension of pl?....

A better post by me should be 'I should be more open and objective'. The interview should interesting to say the least.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2008, 04:08:51 PM »
Speaking of which, I just spoke with Sterling Allen earlier today and he mentioned that there is a questions page on the PES Wiki site that we can post questions for Jack to answer during the interview:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Article:Jack_Durban%27s_experience_with_Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator#Questions_for_Jack

For those who don't have a username on PESN to edit the page, just post your questions here in the thread, and I'll check back later and add them to the page for you.

Also, Sterling told me that Jack apparently has some higher quality videos of the TPU that he plans on releasing soon as well. I don't know which vids they are but he told me that they are the same as the ones that are posted on YouTube already.

God Bless,
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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2008, 08:26:40 PM »
@jdo300

It might be worth asking him if he is aware of how SM solved the problem of it working only one way up, the answer might give a useful indication into its method of operation. Also it might be useful to know if he was aware of any major construction/operational differences in the different size models.

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Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2008, 08:56:59 PM »
Jack's comments are of no assistance and my firm opinion is that he is engaging on a fishing exercise.
You will note that his comments contain no substance and are written in the style of a journalist.

The reasons that he has done this are only known to him but i would not be surprised if they included an investment opportunity at some stage.

He has not ever had a tpu
He did not work with Steven...I could go on but I wont.. subject closed for me.



Take care
Lindsay Mannix


Lindsay:

G'day. How do you explain the private messages on the TEAC machine he was offering to return to SM if by your reasoning, SM and he did not work together?

cheers
chrisC

 

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