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Title: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: spherics on March 17, 2008, 05:03:53 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-packing

http://cst-www.nrl.navy.mil/lattice/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXO7-Lajxdg

http://www.everyscience.com/Chemistry/Inorganic/Ionic_Solids/a.1296.php


There are those amongst you that have shown courage and conviction; something that is sorely lacking in so many of the young minds of today. Can I say that you will all believe what I have to say ? Certainly not. It is a reflection of society today that so many do not question yet reject anything outside of their comfort zone. This forum is the antithesis of such dower formulaic habits. Unfortunately so many have come to associate a questioning mind as being synonimous with a disbelieving mind when in reality a questioning mind needs to be an open mind; a mind that allows the absurd, the idiotic and beyond credulous ideas to perculate into the subconscious. It is only when the full bounds of the ideas have been allowed full roam of all aspects of the mind that the varacity of the claim can be fully comprehended. All I ask is that you ponder the essence of my presentation in light of the known characteristics of the Steven Mark TPU.

I am sure many of you have already perused the given web references and have already started to believe that this posting is misplaced! Oh ye of little faith. Matter is nothing more than spherical stationary standing waves within the travelling ether! Already I hear the shutters closing. It is the ether that has the energy not the matter; it is the ether that is manipulated via torsion fields set up via electromagnetic fields; it is the ether that vortexes and is the essence of the electromagnetic field; it is the collapsing ether vortex that releases energy. The ether its self pulsates at extra-ordinary high frequency. It is this pulsing that feed energy into the spherical standing waves, that is matter, that brings about all of the characteristics of an atom.

To resonate with the ether a specific pattern is required. The spherical propogation of waves means that spherical packing dictates the precise location of electromagnet coils for optimum control. Review the files at the start of this posting. Hexagonal spherical packing (HSP) is where you need to focus. Many of you are unwittingly using face centered cubic ( FCC ) arrangement of coils. You will have limited success if your coils are placed according to FCC arrangements.

There is good reason for hexagonal packing as these scientists are beginning to comprehend.
Google the following terms to understand:  iron superconductivity hexagonal packing

All coils need to point to a central 3D location. If you look at the hexagonal packing the most basic arrangement is 4 spheres forming a tetrahedral. Place identical coils orientated so that the poles point to the dead center of the tetrahedral. You should imagine 3 spheres with one sphere on top. The top coil (coil A) will be pointing downwards and the other 3 coils (X,Y,Z) will be pointing to wards the center BUT note the three coils will not be in a horizontal plane; they will be pointing 30 degrees upwards. Now those of you on the ball will no doubt see why Bob Boyce, Marinov, GiantKiller et al. have had extraordinary results. In these designs the coils are pointing horizontal and not angled upwards, and the top vertical coil is created by wrapping around all of the three coils. As the vertical coil is not identical to the other 3 this creates problems which is why DC they feed into this coil; and the other coils need to be fed with high energy pulses. It is not optimum and neither are their results. If you set up according to hexagonal packing all coils are equidistant from each other and pointing towards a common center. You need only supply correctly phased DC offset square waves of approximately 300V (levels of 0V and 300V not -150V to 150V) to succeed in creating a rotation magnetic field which in reality is vortexing ether. Surely I don't need to tell you how to intercept a high speed rotating magnetic field to create current of high potential!

Now I'm telling you the practical theory on how to use the ether. Steven Mark never did understand exactly why things worked. His coils are not optimum but never-the-less indirectly generate what my four coils will achieve.

Coils XYZ are pulsed at frequency F1 with a phase of 120 degrees between each coil.
Coil A is fed a frequency of 3 x F1 and has a phase of 0 with respect to the other coils.

In other words:
When air-core coil X pulses so does air-core coil A.
When air-core coil Y pulses so does air-core coil A.
When air-core coil Z pulses so does air-core  coil A.

The frequency should be a harmonic of the NMR of iron. Do not use iron anywhere in your device this will only cause huge eddy current problems. Iron is magnetic because of the geometry and spacing of its atoms (stationary waves remember) which interact with the ether flow in a resonant fashion despite what you may already believe! The NMR is directly linked to this geometric spacing and hence to the resonant frequency of the ether. If you pulse iron wire at iron's NMR you'll get a minor resonance effect even if the coil is not tuned to that frequency. Steven Mark was utilising this effect along with the timing delay action of iron wire to generate a rotating magnetic field of the correct frequency. The requirement for coil A to pulse in time with the other coils was not understood by SM who unwittingly incorporated its effect via interaction of several coils. A testament of observation over emperical understanding!

To complete the picture the intercept coil can be an air-core toroidal coil placed in a horizontal plane halfway between the top coil and the bottom three coils sized so that the outside of the toroid would touch, but not overlap, the imaginary planes of the tetrahedral pyramid sides. The diameter of the toroid hole should be the same as the diameter of the toroid windings for optimum results but quite frankly you could stick two solid 1 cm diameter 3/4 circle copper bars into the field and measure substantial voltage and current.

I trust you'll appreciate the risk you are now all taking. Too many of you are tempting fate by feeding the output back into the input. Consider 1000 fold output power over input. Oh yes, these are the levels you are potentially working with. 100Watt goes to 100KW. With no feedback this is a major copper vaporising experience. With feedback your momentary 100KW goes to a potential 100MW but more realistically 1MW or less as wires vaporise. How on earth do you think you and your house will survive such an event ?????????????????

I've shown enough for you to now understand with what you are playing and a schematic outline of a relatively safe design that will get you the results that you desire.

I've taken the liberty of posting whilst on vacation. Good luck.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: b0rg13 on March 17, 2008, 06:18:30 AM
hmm i got a little in this can you make a working one or not?, oh wait thats right your not coming back  ::)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: tao on March 17, 2008, 06:41:41 AM
Thank you spherics, your work is MUCH appreciated...

Enjoy the rest of your vacation, wherever you are. ;D

 ;)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: chrisC on March 17, 2008, 06:56:42 AM



I've taken the liberty of posting whilst on vacation. I shall not be returning to this forum. Good luck.

Wow! The secrets of SM's TPU finally revealed! Who's first to replicate?

Thank you.

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: b0rg13 on March 17, 2008, 06:58:30 AM
bah i must be stupid , whats the dam secret ?, can some 1 spell it out 4 me ?. ::)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: chrisC on March 17, 2008, 07:05:01 AM
bah i must be stupid , whats the dam secret ?, can some 1 spell it out 4 me ?. ::)

you can be stupid or you can try to give the gentleman the benefit of the doubt? Why would someone take so much time and talk at the level of someone with intelligence if he has no clue what he's talking about?

As for spelling out for you, you need to find another playground!

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: b0rg13 on March 17, 2008, 07:09:15 AM
im not calling anyone stupid but my self , and simply asking that some one sum up whats hes said , and where do you sugest i go play ?(, im here to learn and ask questions, not be told where to go, but thanks jack).
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: chrisC on March 17, 2008, 07:14:15 AM
im not calling anyone stupid but my self , and simply asking that some one sum up whats hes said , and where do you suggest i go play ?(, im here to learn and ask questions, not be told where to go, but thanks jack).

I beg your pardon! I'm sorry it wasn't meant to be an insult to you! Obviously, it looks like you haven't got a clue of what the rest of this Forum has been following the past two years or more.

Start looking at SM's published info. and the youTube videos and then maybe you'll begin to understand what coils and resonance has to do with this 'secrets' posting.

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 17, 2008, 07:29:12 AM
I'm a little electrically retarded so I'm hoping for a helpful explanation.  What does he mean by phasing when he says...

"Coils XYZ are pulsed at frequency F1 with a phase of 120 degrees between each coil.
Coil A is fed a frequency of 3 x F1 and has a phase of 0 with respect to the other coils."  ....?

thanks in advance for helping me clear this up.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: chrisC on March 17, 2008, 07:38:38 AM
I'm a little electrically retarded so I'm hoping for a helpful explanation.  What does he mean by phasing when he says...

"Coils XYZ are pulsed at frequency F1 with a phase of 120 degrees between each coil.
Coil A is fed a frequency of 3 x F1 and has a phase of 0 with respect to the other coils."  ....?

thanks in advance for helping me clear this up.



AC or Alternating current consists of Frequency, Amplitude and Phase. Look at basic AC circuit theory like:

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_1/5.html

Perhaps you'll understand better. Good luck.

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: tao on March 17, 2008, 07:40:43 AM
Here is a device that appears to also use the 'shaping of the aether' as its mechanism to produce energy output...

I am not saying it does the same thing, I am merely posting this image to show some 'potential evidence' that modulating the aether can be used to produce an energy output...

Take it for whatever it is worth to you...
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 17, 2008, 07:49:47 AM
Thanks Chris.  So is He saying to just physically locate the 3 coils 120 degrees apart and fire at the same time? Or does he mean fire them at separate times?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: chrisC on March 17, 2008, 07:53:48 AM
Thanks Chris.  So is He saying to just physically locate the 3 coils 120 degrees apart and fire at the same time? Or does he mean fire them at separate times?

He meant 120 degree electrical phase shifted and NOT a physical spacing. (If you're familiar with a oscilloscope, you can see how signals can be phase shifted when they are designed accordingly).

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 17, 2008, 08:09:09 AM
So what is a degree in terms of frequency / amplitude?  I understand the purpose of the phasing is to create a rotating magnetic field which I get...but what is meant by degrees?  Where the peak shows up or a frequency that is in thirds?

I'm reading up on this as I go back and forth here.  I also have a dual oscillator synthesizer that has many waveforms available and additional LFO's built in...thinking I could pump the right notes through an amplifier and play with one of these setups. I also understand acoustical phasing pretty well...

So is it basically when you get to 360 degrees, you are actually back in 0 degrees phase?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 17, 2008, 09:34:12 AM
Okay...I think I get it...fire each coil at different times exactly 120 degrees with respect to the original frequency?  The 120 actually determines the firing "timing"...a four cylinder engine fires 90 degrees as an analogy right?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: chrisC on March 17, 2008, 09:45:52 AM
Okay...I think I get it...fire each coil at different times exactly 120 degrees with respect to the original frequency?  The 120 actually determines the firing "timing"...a four cylinder engine fires 90 degrees as an analogy right?

Just like those diagrams of AC phase I referred you to earlier. It's the timing of the signals within a 360 degree repetition cycle. (A leads or lags B etc - just the frequency, nothing to do with amplitude). Perhaps this is not the right place to discuss these elementary concepts. Sorry I didn't mean it offensively.

I think this thread should allow those people on 'bleeding' edge to discuss Spherics's insights of which many of us will find very interesting to say the least! Goto go to bed. It's almost 2 am!

cheers
chrisC

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 17, 2008, 10:12:10 AM
I am more of a mechanical person so... What you guys are basically trying to do is get traction on the spin of an electron. I understand the theory of operation but I am a little dusty on circuits. I didn't say anything about  This guys explanation explains why you guys were having better luck with separately connected OSCs. So you help confirmed that. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: spherics on March 17, 2008, 12:32:51 PM
Missing attachments.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MeggerMan on March 17, 2008, 01:53:37 PM
Hi Spherics,
So XYZ and A as I see it is 4 coils wound with 120 Degrees seperating any three coils in one of the 4 faces of the tetrahedron pyramid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahedron
Looks simple enough to make but its supplying the 3 pulses phased at 120 degree apart that is somewhat tricky to do.

Although from your pulse diagram this could be achieved using 3 divide by n chips perhaps, maybe someone can suggest a circuit for this.

How will you know you have reached NMR of the ether?
Roughly what frequency are we talking about?

Regards
Rob


Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 17, 2008, 02:34:47 PM
I have a suggestion and possible solution for generating the signals needed here.  Aren't  saw / square / sine waves actually like audio signals?  You can hear the audible frequencies if you run them to a speaker right?  The why bother with all the custom built circuits. I have a synthesizer that has 62 oscillators and easy phasing abilities...LFO's etc...it also has six outputs that could each carry a separate signal.  Couldn't this be hooked up to a DC amplifier and used to generated the required current? The only limitations I see are the limit on the frequency range...I think it can go up to 35 kHz maybe as high as 60 kHz..still figuring that out at the moment.  I have a 2500 watt dc power supply I can hook up and start with some low levels...any suggestions?

The particular synths I am working with are the Korg Triton and a Roland JV-2080...
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 17, 2008, 02:37:44 PM
Info on NMR process.
http://www.cem.msu.edu/~reusch/VirtualText/Spectrpy/nmr/nmr1.htm (http://www.cem.msu.edu/~reusch/VirtualText/Spectrpy/nmr/nmr1.htm)

Page with specific NMR for Iron http://www.chem.tamu.edu/services/NMR/periodic/ (http://www.chem.tamu.edu/services/NMR/periodic/)...I have learned this is relative to an elements spin state and is calculated with some crazy equation I was far from understanding.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Feynman on March 17, 2008, 03:24:54 PM
I think this information should be considered.

The hexagonal lattice information reminds me very much of transmission electron microscope  experiments with viral DNA packing (also appeared to occur in hexagon lattice crystal).  I am not sure if it's relevant, but I'd figured I'd mention it since it jogged my memory.



Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 17, 2008, 05:17:27 PM
    Spherics post makes sense to me.  Matter being spherical standing waves.  Potential Energy being stored in matter relative to aether frequencies.  Channel the aether energy or frequencies into a
compaction mode and fusion energy is released.  You don't need uranium or plutoniom or any of that krap.  You just need to have magnetic fields interface in all 4 dimensions and the potential energy will flow,  IT WILL FLOW TOO MUCH IF THE FIELDS ARE TUNED IN PHASE.    We want the potential energy to flow out of phase so the ball gets rolling not stand there and create new matter.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 17, 2008, 06:25:30 PM
@Spherics,

Prove it.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 17, 2008, 07:43:20 PM
I think this information should be considered.

The hexagonal lattice information reminds me very much of transmission electron microscope  experiments with viral DNA packing (also appeared to occur in hexagon lattice crystal).  I am not sure if it's relevant, but I'd figured I'd mention it since it jogged my memory.





    It also looks like the packing on the atomic pictures in jeanna's thread Example of TPU's in nature.  Lattice confinement of orbital fields.  The other prime example is in Faraday's law,  which states an electrical potential will develop at the interface of magnetic fields.   And just one more for the road is I believe it is Marco's experiment with his oscillating permanent magnet at 7.3.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: chrisC on March 17, 2008, 08:13:29 PM
@Spherics,

Prove it.

@Grumpy

Whilst I don't know if what Spherics advocated will or will not work, surely you've been experimenting enough with all your coils and set ups this past two years to realize he is not some bloke off the street who happened to stumble on some research that others have done and 'wrote' about it?

The structure and even ratios he suggested made sense, at least to me. He even made the point that supported SM's statement of not killing yourself by not tuning to exact resonance!

Well, instead of asking him to 'prove it', maybe you can just adjust your coils and oscillators to maybe test if he is blowing smoke or there is some truth? Just be careful because you can also dissapear in smoke! We certainly do want to hear from you!

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 17, 2008, 08:13:37 PM
I'm with Grumpy - prove it. Oh no... it's the usual cloak and dagger shit and he's disappeared.

Exactly.

The only thing being "packed" is our heads full of this "nonsense", and our "asses" by the greed of our leaders.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 17, 2008, 08:20:39 PM
@Spherics,

Prove it.

@Grumpy

Whilst I don't know if what Spherics advocated will or will not work, surely you've been experimenting enough with all your coils and set ups this past two years to realize he is not some bloke off the street who happened to stumble on some research that others have done and 'wrote' about it?

The structure and even ratios he suggested made sense, at least to me. He even made the point that supported SM's statement of not killing yourself by not tuning to exact resonance!

Well, instead of asking him to 'prove it', maybe you can just adjust your coils and oscillators to maybe test if he is blowing smoke or there is some truth? Just be careful because you can also dissapear in smoke! We certainly do want to hear from you!

cheers
chrisC

It takes more than eloquent prose to claim you have the knowledge or how something operates.

If spherics has this knowledge, then I "beseech" him to prove it or shut up like everyone else.  See, anyone can use fancy words.

Everything makes sense when you don't know how it works.   You read a few things that are interesting, your imagination fills in the rest.

Like a said before: Prove it!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: chrisC on March 17, 2008, 08:27:28 PM


It takes more than eloquent prose to claim you have the knowledge or how something operates.

If spherics has this knowledge, then I "beseech" him to prove it or shut up like everyone else.  See, anyone can use fancy words.

Everything makes sense when you don't know how it works.   You read a few things that are interesting, your imagination fills in the rest.

Like a said before: Prove it!

Not going to get into squabbles with you. Fact is after all your years of searching and reading and trying, you still have not done anything remotely close to achieving OU. Have you? Then maybe, loosen up and pay some attention to some 'fancy' words. Maybe the fancy words will save you from another umpteen years of searching in the wrong direction?

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: tao on March 17, 2008, 10:34:58 PM
Spherics has every right to just say something and not 'prove it.'

It is up to us, those who really want a working FE device, to decided for OURSELVES if we want to attempt Spherics's setup. He doesn't have to prove it, since he is not going to be interacting with us anymore.

Its a bit of a personal journey, if we are walking along a path and see some bread crumbs that someone else left (which potentially lead to our goal), we can choose to follow them or we can choose to ignore them thinking that they were put there to sidetrack us. It is a personal decision.

So, obviously Spherics won't be back, so I think its futile to argue about 'proving it', because he is OBVIOUSLY NOT going to come back and prove anything.

So, you have to decide for yourselves, leave Spherics's theory (bread crumbs) alone, or follow them to wherever they might take you (perhaps the goal you seek). And even if you end up being sidetracked, what is the REAL loss?

Thats all I have to say on that...

No offense to anyone!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 17, 2008, 10:42:35 PM
Does anyone have any feedback about using a synthesizer as a signal generator?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: bolt on March 17, 2008, 10:47:27 PM
i wonder who this guy is? Sounds like the real TPU inventor:) Thats 2 people in 24 hours that has appeared on the scene and said that SM was not the inventor and/or had little understanding of how the TPU really worked while offering fresh information on how and why it can work.  You can see that it was no wonder that anyone winding coils on the kitchen table would NEVER get a working TPU without access to lab conditions and a very deep theoretically understanding.

Don't forget SM actually said himself he had ONE tpu that worked and spent months and hundreds of man hours replicating the device and throw out hundreds of useless coils.  It actually makes far more sense he was trying to copy the first tpu without messing up the working original as it was NOT his to start with. Without the theoretical fundamentals it makes replication of a tpu so much harder even if it was placed in your hands and you tried to copy it.   It opens more questions to be answered one day like if its not SM's who's was it and how did SM get it? Anway the saga continues..............
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 17, 2008, 11:19:45 PM

It takes more than eloquent prose to claim you have the knowledge or how something operates.

If spherics has this knowledge, then I "beseech" him to prove it or shut up like everyone else.  See, anyone can use fancy words.

Everything makes sense when you don't know how it works.   You read a few things that are interesting, your imagination fills in the rest.

Like a said before: Prove it!

Not going to get into squabbles with you. Fact is after all your years of searching and reading and trying, you still have not done anything remotely close to achieving OU. Have you? Then maybe, loosen up and pay some attention to some 'fancy' words. Maybe the fancy words will save you from another umpteen years of searching in the wrong direction?

cheers
chrisC

OU is a figure of speech and energy is where you find it - everywhere.  Look at all the energy we waste everday and rather than expend a little effort to reduce this waste, we would rather stay a copper-top in wonderland where our hands are never dirty and our ideas are never wrong - just unproven. Stephan has found the proverbial fountain in the overactive imaginations of dreamers that do nothing more than ply their endless ramblings on this forum - conjuring theory after theory of unproven eloquent prose and never accomplishing anything more than conquering the boredom of the day.

What have you done, Chris?  That's right - not a damn thing.  As for achieving OU, I might have been close once, but then so have many others.

Spherics has every right to just say something and not 'prove it.'

It is up to us, those who really want a working FE device, to decided for OURSELVES if we want to attempt Spherics's setup. He doesn't have to prove it, since he is not going to be interacting with us anymore.

Its a bit of a personal journey, if we are walking along a path and see some bread crumbs that someone else left (which potentially lead to our goal), we can choose to follow them or we can choose to ignore them thinking that they were put there to sidetrack us. It is a personal decision.

So, obviously Spherics won't be back, so I think its futile to argue about 'proving it', because he is OBVIOUSLY NOT going to come back and prove anything.

So, you have to decide for yourselves, leave Spherics's theory (bread crumbs) alone, or follow them to wherever they might take you (perhaps the goal you seek). And even if you end up being sidetracked, what is the REAL loss?

Thats all I have to say on that...

No offense to anyone!

Tao - more eloquent prose and lofty dreams of walking a path with no end only to find that the path is a ring - pun intended - like some sort of pulp fiction religious cult.  No wonder Golem was insane over the ring...

The words "Prove it." are a challenge to Spherics.  He can ignor it or accept it.

I'm sure he would love to demonstrate a working device but for some reason, perhaps fear, or  other emotional turmoil he just can't bring himself to do that.  So, instead, he fires his shotgun explanation of the TPU into the night and runs away laughing histerically - dining on the chaos and emotional waste.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 17, 2008, 11:23:12 PM
Does anyone have any feedback about using a synthesizer as a signal generator?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 17, 2008, 11:28:21 PM
I see you guys have your own version of Omnibus over here.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MeggerMan on March 17, 2008, 11:30:59 PM
@Konduct,
Not fast enough, you need something in the MHz range.  Try a DDS 20 from ELV in Germany.
http://www.elv.de/output/controller.aspx?cid=74&detail=10&detail2=6325
I have built about 9 of these, LCD display is a bit twitchy but it works.

@All
I knew I had come across a topic on the same principle information about this before.
Dr Mark Snoswell posted this quite a while ago, July 2007, on the topic of Spinor Resonance:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2764.msg40372.html#msg40372

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2764.0;attach=10633;image)

Regards
Rob
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: chrisC on March 17, 2008, 11:42:09 PM
Does anyone have any feedback about using a synthesizer as a signal generator?

Sorry Konduct... was going to give you an answer earlier but got carried away.
Using a synthesizer is probably not the way to go. Those things don't have the frequency range other than audible audio (20Hz to 20Khz?) and they aren't designed to phase shift or have the correct impedance matching.

You're better off using a quality signal generators of the type you can specify the types of output waveform, rise/fall times and phase relationship. Hope that helps. Search the forum for waveform or signal generators, either commercially available or in kit form.

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Laserrod on March 17, 2008, 11:47:44 PM
I got a lot to respect about the bombshell Spere jut posted here!

Circuitry :
Make a decoded digital count to 3 and reset counter w/CMOS or equl.
Phase the circuit dimensionaly too.

Hope we are all here tomorrow. ;D
Please use small carbon resistors that will open-up if things go ballistic!

If someone make a scene(is not cool),  we all will be very sorry for everyone.

Cheers
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 17, 2008, 11:47:53 PM
Wasn't yelling at you specifically Chris. =) My hardware synth will go up to at least 276,480Hz (C 13 on a piano keyboard where A4 is tuned to 432Hz) which is .276...MHz I think.  I am checking out what my computer is capable of...I may have to utilize some lower harmonies to try it out. I do have pretty complete control over phasing...phasing is a commonly used "effect" in music production.  And it has very specific programming parameters on my synth.  I know the ranges are only supposed to be audible but this thing has capabilities outside of the audible range...at least ten times. Not sure what impedance matching would mean. It's no toy at a cost of $2700.


Correction...with a pitch / frequency modulator, my synth will go up to 1,105,920 Hz  or  1.1 Mhz. My monitor speakers did not like this note at all btw.  What frequencies are you guys thinking need to be used.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: bolt on March 18, 2008, 12:00:12 AM
Im surprised no one has asked or reposted the NMR of iron. I haven't checked elsewhere no doubt others have something different.

has symbol 57Fe   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has natural abundance 2.2   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has NMR frequency 3.231 MHz where 1H = 100 MHz; 2.3488 T   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has magnetogyric ratio 0.8661 ? 107 rad T-1 s-1   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has NMR receptivity 4.2 ? 10-3 where 13C = 1.00   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has relative NMR sensitivity 3.37 ? 10-5 where 1H = 1.00   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has nuclear magnetic moment μ = +0.09062294 nuclear magnetons with diamagnetic correction   has source: Fuller, G.H. 1976, <i>Journal of Physical Chemistry Reference Data</i> <b>5</b> 835 'Nuclear Spins and Moments', 2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has nuclear spin I = 1/2- h/2Ï€   has source: Fuller, G.H. 1976, <i>Journal of Physical Chemistry Reference Data</i> <b>5</b> 835 'Nuclear Spins and Moments', 2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has number of nucleons 57   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has number of neutrons 31   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has atomic mass 56.935395   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has uses isotopically enriched samples available for experimental purposes   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has uses Nuclear Magnetic Resonance

So there you have it as far as i know the answer is iron NMR frequency 3.231 MHz and we are told its a harmonic of this. 2dn 3rd 5th 7th i dunno but if you want stability you start high and divide down not low and try to go up. Also the further you go from the wanted harmonic the weaker the signal. However it does appear that banging pulses is now the theme. Well that taken me back i thought this was a sine wave interactive process on the input. Where does the 5kz come from this is vital? Always has been it must come from this clock somewhere as its a constant in all the TPU's regardless of size. Likewise we know now the NMR is a constant.

Coils XYZ are pulsed at frequency F1 with a phase of 120 degrees between each coil.
Coil A is fed a frequency of 3 x F1 and has a phase of 0 with respect to the other coils.

3.231 Mhz * 3 = 9.693 Mhz  Mmm not going to be easy getting power fets to work up here too well. Maybe it all works on divide by 10.

323.1 Khz and 969.3 Khz that might do it then you can hear the lower harmonics of these running like in the videos. I think the 10th harmonic is about as low as it will ever work and thats pushing it but for the VN mosfets of the 80's this was about the limits.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Jon on March 18, 2008, 12:09:14 AM
Hello

I think this online book by David Wilcock is particularly relevant:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=6&id=20&Itemid=36

Chapters 1-3 cover torsion fields discussed in this post.

I am going to pick up some styrofoam spheres to do some testing. I will post my progress.
Title: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Earl on March 18, 2008, 12:18:45 AM
@Spheric

Enjoyed reading your "newbie" post that just fell from the trees, although my feeling is that you are anything but a newbie.  Whether informant or disinformant, time will tell.  The only thing in your post that really negatively disturbed me is your claim that the spherical device had coaxial cable to energize coils, instead of simultaneously energizing detonators to compress a hollow sphere into a dense ball.  Since you are obviously intelligent, this misrepresentation casts a question mark over your intentions.

@All

After reading Spheric's post, I did some investigation about NMR and found out some interesting things.
I discovered some NMR frequencies, although remember these frequencies are only valid for a certain magnetic field strength.  It can not be excluded that SM used iron wire because its NMR frequency is so much lower than copper.  Iron wire would heat up much more than copper wire and this was the TPU's problem.  Nowdays the higher frequency of copper is no problem.  This, of course, assumes that NMR plays some role in the opertaion of the TPU, which may or may not be the case.

                                   Spin   NMR MHz at x magnetic field strength
197   Au   Gold      3/2      6.916
57   Fe    Iron         1/2   12.951
107   Ag   Silver      1/2    16.191
109   Ag   Silver      1/2    18.614
63   Cu   Copper    3/2  106.062

Not to be forgotten is that copper wire can be plated with gold or silver.  At RF, the current stays on the surface, so just a thin plating is all that is necessary.  Amateur radio operators have coated their copper tubing with silver since many decades, when building Kilowatt RF amplifiers.

Gold plating appears to be the best, having low frequency, low resistance, but high price.
Iron has a low frequency, but has high resistance therefore tendency to heat up.
Silver plating should be very good, has low frequency, low resistance, and tolerable price.
Copper has low resistance, affordable price, but high NMR frequency, however with 74HC and power FETs with ns switching speed 106 MHz is easily with-in reach, at least for someone who knows their electronics.

I am not a NMR expert, but it is possible that one is talking about small bandwidths, say Hertz to Kilohertz.  Therefore cheap and easy oscillators are out of the question.  No 555s.  Either an expensive synthesized laboratory RF generator or a DDS oscillator will most likely be necessary.  SM also implied that this is the case.

SM when talking about frequencies used kHz and the highest frequency that I remember was 245 kHz.
This is still a long way from 13 MHz for iron NMR.

As far as circuitry goes, I posted some circuits a long time ago.

Digital Circuit Diagrams+FETs+Drivers
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2582.msg36504.html#msg36504

Rapid Fire Rat Race Controller
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2582.msg38506.html#msg38506

It is no problem to generate the pulses for Spheric's configuration by using a shift register.  To obtain a space between pulses, use more shift register stages and leave a stage unused to obtain dead time between pulses.  The pulses may very well need to have much higher amplitude than 5V, several hundred Volts, even 1kV or more.

To answer someone's question, the aether itself has no NMR frequency, since it is sub-atomic, even sub-quantum.  The frequency that aether vibrates at is so high that you will get a hand cramp while writing all the zeros before MHz.  The smallest "thing" where NMR makes sense is the hydrogen atom with only a proton as a nucleus.  I have seen the H1, as it is called, being associated with a NMR frequency of 400 MHz.

There are certainly several ways to build TPUs, TPVs, TPWs, TPXs, and TPZs.  Pick a way to try, and build it.
In addition to a good signal generator, you will need a good oscillosope and better than average IQ.  This is Nature's way of preventing Joe Sixpack from hurting himself.

Regards, Earl

The beginning part of this page is interesting:
http://www.cem.msu.edu/~reusch/VirtualText/Spectrpy/nmr/nmr2.htm#nmr11
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: bolt on March 18, 2008, 12:29:37 AM
Earl the use of iron NMR seems important. Our visitor explains the reasons why we are going for iron and not copper, silver or gold. Only iron interacts with the ether by providing us with magnetic field. The others don't and he also explains for good reason there is NO iron in the tpu. Basically we are simulating a chunk of iron revolving at high frequencies by emulation that the coil is not a coil at all but we are producing NMR of iron.

Can you see where this is heading if you emulate iron then spin it and wrap wire around it you have a generator!

"The frequency should be a harmonic of the NMR of iron. Do not use iron anywhere in your device this will only cause huge eddy current problems. Iron is magnetic because of the geometry and spacing of its atoms (stationary waves remember) which interact with the ether flow in a resonant fashion despite what you may already believe! The NMR is directly linked to this geometric spacing and hence to the resonant frequency of the ether."

Yes makes perfect sense! The TPU is replicating a spinning iron atom. We take the pure definition of a iron core spinning in 3D space and reconstruct the effect electrically. The ether then believes we have a bit of iron spinning at high speed and will provide the same effects.
Title: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Earl on March 18, 2008, 12:44:32 AM
Bolt,

the collector coil must be made out of some conductor.

Earl
Title: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Earl on March 18, 2008, 12:48:19 AM
bolt,

iron is not the only magnetic material, there is steel, AlNiCo, ferrites, etc.

One could also rotate at the NMR frequency of a NeFeBoron molecule.

Earl
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: bolt on March 18, 2008, 12:52:58 AM
of course plain old copper speaker wire. There is no iron wire in the tpu. I see exactly how SM  did use bailing wire in the first models and why he managed to get something out of it. Basically as far as the ether was concerned he had an iron core that was spinning. However it wasn't 100% emulation and thus extremely inefficient because he WAS using iron core which killed the emulation may be by as much as 90%. With 10% electrical output 90% would have gone to heat and thats why it only produced 25 watts with dissipation more like 250 watts. After 5 mins it would be as hot as a stove.

I realize there are many magnetic materials and composites. The entire purpose is emulation while the actual device should remain 100% inert. In practice this will never be achieved. Can you imagine the  power of emulation a neodymium magnet?? :)
Title: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Earl on March 18, 2008, 12:53:10 AM
[snip]
Basically we are simulating a chunk of iron revolving at high frequencies by emulation that the coil is not a coil at all but we are producing NMR of iron.

Can you see where this is heading if you emulate iron then spin it and wrap wire around it you have a generator!

Yes makes perfect sense! The TPU is replicating a spinning iron atom. We take the pure definition of a iron core spinning in 3D space and reconstruct the effect electrically. The ether then believes we have a bit of iron spinning at high speed and will provide the same effects.

Spinning a piece of virtual iron will have no effect in a coil, unless the iron is magnetized.
I do not yet see that the virtual spinning iron is magnetized.

Earl
Title: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Earl on March 18, 2008, 12:57:47 AM
Bolt,

how does a spinning magnet induce a DC voltage in a collector coil?

Without a commutator, it should produce either zero voltage or an AC voltage.

Earl
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Localjoe on March 18, 2008, 01:01:47 AM
@ All

This Could Be nothing But remember DFRO's post mentioned PHI which is 1.618, 2PHI is 3.236??????????????????????????????????

Now this could just be a weird coincidence but BOLT just posted that IRON a has NMR frequency 3.231 MH    ..... 3.231/2 = 1.6155  pretty close to 1.618 funny thing is what happens if you hit the exact nmr of a substance with an electromagnetic feild ? Does it blow up i dont know but i find it weird also that 1.618 is just far enough from 1.6155 to be considered tuning just off of the main freq as to not hit it.

just wanted to throw that out there
                                                                                                                 Joe

As well From DFRO's post

"The magnet on the small device probably just triggered a magnetic switch that turned on the device" ..

sounds like a reed switch to me
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: chrisC on March 18, 2008, 01:03:34 AM

What have you done, Chris?  That's right - not a damn thing.  As for achieving OU, I might have been close once, but then so have many others.


Hey, I'm have never said I was winding coils and researching this or that. I actually said some time ago I did not even have a scope! However, that said, from what I have read and understood, I believe in this one or two of Spheric's post, there is much more substance than so many of these "know it all" people...

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: bolt on March 18, 2008, 01:05:33 AM
I believe we have new focus now Earl the coil does have to be constructed to have 30 degree up tilts and 3d focus etc etc and it has to resonate as it were iron. We also know with greater accuracy then ever before it has TWO frequencies exactly as SM stated in the vids "turning on one, turning on two" and i think after 3 years the frequencies are much higher then a 555 timer. 100k to 10 meg range is far more likely. The timing circuit cuts out the kitchen table builder. This is lab stuff only and thus with the number of people actually building this with access to the equipment on this forum leaves it in the hands of what 12 guys??
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: bolt on March 18, 2008, 01:14:48 AM
Earl i think your complicating things. The real tpu has a funnel effect and operates like a tube rectifier in it own right by forcing electrons to flow more in one way then the other. This gives the DC output. The flow is biased between the earth and the sky so the device is polarized. Although its believed SM later solved this problem yet i never considered it to be a problem. Car batteries only work up one way unless you seal them or the acid tips out.  The 5kz is some artifact of the rotation based on the NMR iron emulation. The only other explanation is the device only outputs power when its tapped off via a diode then you have no choice you got DC or nothing. This is highly possible given the frequencies involved are in the 100k to 10 meg range its no good to man or beast to have AC up this high so you might as well pop a diode in and call it DC.

Whatever as we always said before you know when you got a twister going then tapping the juice is no big deal then these questions are easily answered.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: tao on March 18, 2008, 01:22:58 AM
Here are some visualizations for you all...

 8)

Video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1233513171344143154&hl=en


and


Images:


(http://i26.tinypic.com/xauvk5.jpg)

(http://i26.tinypic.com/kb54so.jpg)

(http://i31.tinypic.com/nosz92.jpg)

(http://i28.tinypic.com/2n9kiop.jpg)

(http://i29.tinypic.com/wgwlc.jpg)

(http://i31.tinypic.com/a2d8hk.jpg)

(http://i31.tinypic.com/v9lzl.jpg)

(http://i27.tinypic.com/yce83.jpg)

(http://i26.tinypic.com/a4ykpi.jpg)

(http://i27.tinypic.com/23lf6ti.jpg)

(http://i30.tinypic.com/nd5r38.jpg)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Localjoe on March 18, 2008, 01:27:09 AM
@BOLT

IN refrence to your last post heres the exact quote from DFRO'S Post

"I also think he is using a small battery in all the devices to run the pulse control circuitry.  I imagine there are a few 555 ic's that are driving some kind of fast, high voltage mosfet driver to make 1 to 4 sets of very fast, short on-time pulses, which are harmonics of each other.  I would suggest doing pulse ratios that are in the Fibonacci series or each pulse being the previous pulse times phi."
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: bolt on March 18, 2008, 01:33:41 AM
There is now a new problem. If the TPU required such precision workmanship with the coils providing 3D focus then how did they all work in the vids and looked nothing like this? With the coils flattened out efficiency must have been reduced hundreds of percent its a miracle they ever worked...........unless this is wrong.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: bolt on March 18, 2008, 01:36:25 AM
forget that i thought  DFRO'S information was the latest stuff from the horse mouth. I was getting mixed up. Its just old speculation.

The visitor of this thread has laid out clearly the relationship of the frequencies. There is no fibo or pi numbering. It makes more sense then anything i read here in 3 years and i suspect he know MUCH more about the TPU then he is letting on.:)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 18, 2008, 02:39:56 AM
  @tao

    Nice work.   This definitely shows how to put the magfields so that they interface in a 3d mode.  We know that potential energy is stored in inertial frames.  And we know that these inertial frames will only exchange potential energy at their interface.  So what I see when I look at these configurations is potential energy from the ambient magnetic field interfacing with the 4coils magnetic fields and then those 4 coils interfacing with each other.  Potential energy traveling the interfaces.  Maybe you could add to the picture genertating program the firing sequence of the coil kicks to visualize how this tehedral would spin.  I don't have the computer skills but I think it is important to show that this configuration has to be off-tuned.  As it looks statically the original poster may have had some experience with fusion technology.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Danny on March 18, 2008, 03:52:37 AM

Have been reading about this Aspden guy who seems pretty much a clued up sort of person having beeen with IBM not that that means anything but he was a big boy in IBM and hes also beem talked about in other posts.

Seems like spinning magnets dont take the same time to spin up after the first time of doing it seems like this would also be what spherics is doing in some ways.
20-30 seconds first time and 5 seconds second time is big difference.


http://www.aspden.org/books/Es/esbookoverview.pdf

(5) The Aspden Effect
This author has assembled a motor using disc-shaped ferrite magnets of the kind used in
loudspeakers, mounted on a rotor shaft and interleaved with electrical sheet steel laminations
each having eight poles. Here rotation causes the magnets to induce radial EMFs in those poled
rotor laminations and the passage of those poles past the corresponding poles of a stator
assembly causes flux pulsation. So we have the induction of a pulsating radial electric field in
aether coextensive with the rotor assembly, a recipe according to what has been stated above for
inflow of aether energy.
However, here again, this being an alternative version of a homopolar magnet machine,
the thought of this ever being a way forward in meeting our future energy needs has been ruled
out. However, the tests on this motor did give further insight into that interplay with the aether
and the presence of an anomalous energy gain.
When the motor was first started, spinning at some 1500 rpm, it was noted that it reached
that speed after switch-on in a period of 20-30 seconds. If it was then stopped and restarted, its
speed-up time to that speed was some 5 seconds if no more that two or three minutes had passed
since it had come to rest, but the longer the period waited before restart, the longer it took to
reach 1500 rpm. It was as if there was something there having a weak inertial coupling with the
rotor that was spinning separately and slowing down at a slower rate. Here was what seemed
to be an aether phenomenon.
Before moving on from that research effort several tests were performed at different
times of day and with different compass orientations of the rotor axis. The phenomenon varied
with spin axis direction, suggesting that the quantum spin of the aether has a fixed orientation
in space, a result consistent with the author?s theoretical expectations dating back to the late
1950 period. This phenomenon has been named ?The Aspden Effect? by Dr. Hal Fox, editor of
the U.S. publication New Energy News, which is why that expression is used as the title to this
section.
For a detailed report of the author?s tests on this machine (though not including that axial
reorientation phenomenon) see ref. [7].
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: jeanna on March 18, 2008, 05:06:47 AM
May I please add an element to the nice synopsis already made?

The visitor says:

Quote
The diameter of the toroid hole should be the same as the diameter of the toroid windings for optimum results

I think this detail was missed. The main reason I posted that pic of the iron atom was so there would be a visual reference. I think these proportions may be very important.

jeanna

Here is the address:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3996.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3996.0.html)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Laserrod on March 18, 2008, 05:16:05 AM
A single phase induction motor stator makes a rotating magnetic field that will spin a copper tube.

Dr. H. Aspden is brilliant.

Dr. Bibias R. De postulated that you could spin a MAGNET then measure the spining magnetic field(mass) drop after spinning ceases. The field has masslike momentum like a flywheel.

Spin is everything!





Edit: spelling
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 18, 2008, 05:44:58 AM
Look at all the little pathetic puppets.   Like little copper top batteries - so eager to please the Matrix and feed it's hunger.

How many before Spheric?  Hmm.  Sauron the Great - remember him?  Then there was that religious guy - I forget his name...  How many more before you wake up realize you are just his toys.  He throws little scraps of meat to the puppies in the pen, but never let's them play outside with the big dogs.

Look how the deciples crawl in the dust beneath the mesiah's feet, hoping that they will be blessed by a speckle of his spit.

He's been mind-fuking you for over 2 years now!  Wake up!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: wattsup on March 18, 2008, 05:49:06 AM
Three coils out of phase 120 degrees pointed center 30 degrees to the top toroid with one coil on top pointing downwards. Looks to me like a virtual alternator. The three coils pulse in sequence and the top coil pulses at each bottom coil pulse. The bottom coils create the field movement action and the top coil concentrates and disperses each pulse across the toroid but always shifting 120 degrees. 5 components. I would say a good variation of Otto's ECD but with a more logical magnetic field development. Smart.



Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: tao on March 18, 2008, 05:50:17 AM
May I please add an element to the nice synopsis already made?

The visitor says:

Quote
The diameter of the toroid hole should be the same as the diameter of the toroid windings for optimum results

jeanna

For some odd reason, when I was doing my 3d models I was thinking that the diameter that the windings of the toroid are wound upon should be the same size as the diameter of the 'control'/'driving' coils' diameters. It appears I might have made a slight mistake then in my 3d models. So, I made a couple which are below that fix the error. Like spherics said, you could even use two copper bars to extract power, but for the sake of accurate representations of spherics's idea, I present some more accurate 3d models below, mind you, the central toroid is only 'slightly' different in size from my other pics...



(http://i26.tinypic.com/4j9b1k.jpg)


(http://i30.tinypic.com/e7nqkw.jpg)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: tao on March 18, 2008, 05:55:50 AM
Look at all the little pathetic puppets.   Like little copper top batteries - so eager to please the Matrix and feed it's hunger.

How many before Spheric?  Hmm.  Sauron the Great - remember him?  Then there was that religious guy - I forget his name...  How many more before you wake up realize you are just his toys.  He throws little scraps of meat to the puppies in the pen, but never let's them play outside with the big dogs.

Look how the deciples crawl in the dust beneath the mesiah's feet, hoping that they will be blessed by a speckle of his spit.

He's been mind-fuking you for over 2 years now!  Wake up!

There is too much collaborating evidence in support of what Spherics said being true though, Grumpy...

I for one will not just let this pass by unnoticed...

In the very least, I will do my research, like all people should, and they should conclude FOR THEMSELVES if they should believe what Spherics said or not...

 8)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: bolt on March 18, 2008, 01:25:38 PM
I never realized the importance of this despite the fact i went off into heavy reading about MRI scanners over a year ago. There is much in common. In addition there is a common theme which is leaking out to the public domain from Bedinni multi-pole  120 degree coils to a dozen   or so more related motor projects which are basically all disturbing the ether and collecting the kicks but none are truly emulators and thats why any captured energy is minuscule.

This is the missing fundamental link if mass is energy in a quasi static virtual steady state then one only has to emulate the effect of mass to provide energy. The emulation of a virtual iron atom by replicating the Nuclear Resonance ticks all the right boxes. Likewise if the theory is true it must be possible to emulate all the other elements with increasing complex models that look like atomic structures. For our purpose we are only interested in emulating iron which we know has magnetic properties.

The practical implications are based on this design

Coil A is fed a frequency of 3 x F1 and has a phase of 0 with respect to the other coils.

We need those that have been working on these for a long time to agree on what is the NMR frequency for iron then what harmonic can we select that gives the operation of the entire unit. We must establish this so that the coils are wound to the EXACT resonance even though in practice the frequency of operation is slightly detuned to prevent a density explosion.

In other words:
When air-core coil X pulses so does air-core coil A.
When air-core coil Y pulses so does air-core coil A.
When air-core coil Z pulses so does air-core  coil A.

Coil A in the TPU is the smaller toroidal  core often seen either sat on top or placed in the centre. Its resonance will be 3 times higher then XYZ and forms the vertical stack. As a single air core the tuned wire length will be 3 times longer for XYZ compared to A.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 18, 2008, 02:23:17 PM
Look at all the little pathetic puppets.   Like little copper top batteries - so eager to please the Matrix and feed it's hunger.

How many before Spheric?  Hmm.  Sauron the Great - remember him?  Then there was that religious guy - I forget his name...  How many more before you wake up realize you are just his toys.  He throws little scraps of meat to the puppies in the pen, but never let's them play outside with the big dogs.

Look how the deciples crawl in the dust beneath the mesiah's feet, hoping that they will be blessed by a speckle of his spit.

He's been mind-fuking you for over 2 years now!  Wake up!

   I see your point Grumpy.  There are huge problems to be worked out with this design.  How do you shield your control pulses.  How do you route your output wiring so it doesn't screw up the vortex.  How do you shut it down in a hell of a hurry.  This may be an optimum configuration but I'd be content with a single spinor channel of potential energy from the aether into a capacitor at this point.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 18, 2008, 02:36:58 PM
Look at all the little pathetic puppets.   Like little copper top batteries - so eager to please the Matrix and feed it's hunger.

How many before Spheric?  Hmm.  Sauron the Great - remember him?  Then there was that religious guy - I forget his name...  How many more before you wake up realize you are just his toys.  He throws little scraps of meat to the puppies in the pen, but never let's them play outside with the big dogs.

Look how the deciples crawl in the dust beneath the mesiah's feet, hoping that they will be blessed by a speckle of his spit.

He's been mind-fuking you for over 2 years now!  Wake up!

There is too much collaborating evidence in support of what Spherics said being true though, Grumpy...

I for one will not just let this pass by unnoticed...

In the very least, I will do my research, like all people should, and they should conclude FOR THEMSELVES if they should believe what Spherics said or not...

 8)

I never said Spherics was wrong, incorrect, or anything of the sort.  I just challenged him to "Prove it."  This should be simple enough for a messiah of his stature.

"Too much collaborating evidence in support of what Spherics said being true" - what evidence?

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on March 19, 2008, 12:16:52 AM
hi   
@tao  hmm  way you dont see my pic simple i have send  5 days ago  ist here this my simple  pic   http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4290.0
 :D :D :D ;)
 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: bolt on March 19, 2008, 12:47:18 AM
"The frequency should be a harmonic of the NMR of iron"  thats what we are told thats what we need to find out. 

For practical purposes finding the frequency has just got a 1000 times easier. The ratio 3 to 1 is fixed there is no need to go looking for odd harmonic relationships of phi or Fibonacci etc to discover the 2nd and 3rd frequencies as there are only 2. This makes clocking MUCH easier on a shift counter and only the fundamental frequency now requires changing so long as the timing pulses remain locked sync the operation can be found by trial and error. Just sweep through till you get  a mushroom cloud :)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 19, 2008, 01:48:24 AM
Hello All,

Well, time to weigh in with my 2 cents worth.  I do not think that Speric is SM.  He either was his engineer or a member of this forum, under another name, at another time.  Who knows.  He did mention Bob Boyce's device, which he could not have known details about unless he had access or was mailed information...just a thought.  But his writing style is very unique and he speaks as someone who knows "for sure". 

Regardless, what he says does sound informative and worth someones experimentation.  SM did mention that it would take "...a hundred years before anyone found the right frequencies."  Perhaps this is it?  It would be nice.

NMR of Iron:
Frequency relative to 1H = 100 (MHz)    3.237778
Source:  http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Fe/nucl.html

As far as Jack Durban is concerned, his description of SM's intelectual capacity does NOT fit SM's writings.  You can not read SM and not realize the man is very intelligent and one who questioned everything.  SM did "have an engineer" but that does not diminish his reasoning capabilities, it simply proved that he needed others more qualified in a particular field to assist.  This also fits the SM of the writings.  Jack Durban also contradicts himself.  He never saw inside the TPU, yet he offered SM advice to "solve" the heating problem but SM wouldn't listen.  If Jack was not trusted with the "how it works" one has to wonder why?  I have no doubt he was at a demonstration, probably hired by some investor looking into the TPU.  Educated guess.   ;)  We will see with the interview.

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: orbs on March 19, 2008, 02:54:20 AM
Circuitry :
Make a decoded digital count to 3 and reset counter w/CMOS or equl.
Phase the circuit dimensionaly too.

Looking at the picture, the duty cycle of coil A is about 31% (8/26). That means you could for example use a 74HC4017 with Q9 connected to MR so that it divides by 9. Then Q1, Q4 and Q7 provide pulses for coils X, Y and Z, and for coil A you use an OR gate like the 74HC4075 (or 3 diodes and a resistor) connected also to Q1, Q4 and Q7 to get about a 33% duty cycle. Then you could use a programmable clock generator module based on CY27EE16 or ICS307 or similar that is connected to a PC to generate exact frequencies, or use some other higher frequency oscillator .

At room temperature the HC4017 might be fast enough for a divide by 9, but these are relatively high frequencies, and the OR gate also introduces a slight delay/phase shift. Dividing by 3 would allow to generate a higher output frequency but it would require to form short pulses from long pulses.

Most flexible would probably be to have a microcontroller or DSP that has several programmable counters that are directly connected to output pins. That would allow to change the duty cycle and also to compensate for hardware tolerances and especially if its connected to a PC all parameters could be recorded and reproduced exactly and also of course control them dynamically.

Maxim even has an IC (DS1094L) that can generate 3 phases but it might not be flexible enough.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: zerotensor on March 19, 2008, 07:59:56 AM
spherics' description is somewhat vague regarding the angles.  We're working in 3-d here, so actually each coil is oriented 109.5 degrees from each other, the magic tetrahedral angle.  Of course you can find 30-60-90 triangles everywhere, especially when doing projections onto 2-d...

Anyhow, I had a different take on the placement of the coils:  Why not make them concentric?

Check it out:
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: tao on March 19, 2008, 08:06:26 AM
spherics' description is somewhat vague regarding the angles.  We're working in 3-d here, so actually each coil is oriented 109.5 degrees from each other, the magic tetrahedral angle.  Of course you can find 30-60-90 triangles everywhere, especially when doing projections onto 2-d...

Anyhow, I had a different take on the placement of the coils:  Why not make them concentric?

Check it out:


The coils are 120 degrees from each other, based on what he said, and it all fits with close-packing and what I modeled in 3d...
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: zerotensor on March 19, 2008, 08:25:12 AM
The coils are 120 degrees from each other, based on what he said, and it all fits with close-packing and what I modeled in 3d...

Three of them are 120 degrees from eachother as viewed from the pole along the axis of the fourth.  This is a projection into 2d.

Any two coils make an angle of 109.5 degrees with the absolute center in space, and it all fits with close-packing and what I modeled in 3d.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: zerotensor on March 19, 2008, 08:48:36 AM
These angles:  (I left two of them out for clarity)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: duff on March 19, 2008, 10:08:00 AM

@zerotensor

Spherics states:

All coils [norths] need to point to a central 3D location.

Place identical coils orientated so that the poles point to the dead center of the tetrahedral.

The top coil (coil A) will be pointing downwards and the other 3 coils (X,Y,Z) will be pointing to wards the center BUT note the three coils will not be in a horizontal plane; they will be pointing 30 degrees upwards.

-Duff
Title: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Earl on March 19, 2008, 12:48:38 PM
I do not understand why people want to make things so complicated.
In this thread at
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4297.msg83397.html#msg83397

I gave the simple way to do things.  For precise timing, one does not use counters and state decoders, nor microcontrollers, nor DSP.

One uses a shift register where all stages are clocked synchronously.  Nothing else.

Simple, cheap, fast.
A 74HC164 will clock at 50 MHz or higher.  If you build the shift register from discrete NXP 74AHC74 dual F/Fs, it will clock to 170 MHz or higher.  I have seen SMD gates oscillate up to 400 MHz.

Use the KISS principle to go farther, faster.
A HC or AHC IC can directly trigger a bipolar transistor avalanche generator giving HV pulses with sub-nanosecond rise times.  Only a handful of standard components are necessary.  Impossible to build it any simpler or faster, or less expensive.

Tesla said use the highest voltage swing you can, and most importantly the fastest transition times.  Follow him or stay behind.

Earl

Circuitry :
Make a decoded digital count to 3 and reset counter w/CMOS or equl.
Phase the circuit dimensionaly too.

Looking at the picture, the duty cycle of coil A is about 31% (8/26). That means you could for example use a 74HC4017 with Q9 connected to MR so that it divides by 9. Then Q1, Q4 and Q7 provide pulses for coils X, Y and Z, and for coil A you use an OR gate like the 74HC4075 (or 3 diodes and a resistor) connected also to Q1, Q4 and Q7 to get about a 33% duty cycle. Then you could use a programmable clock generator module based on CY27EE16 or ICS307 or similar that is connected to a PC to generate exact frequencies, or use some other higher frequency oscillator .

At room temperature the HC4017 might be fast enough for a divide by 9, but these are relatively high frequencies, and the OR gate also introduces a slight delay/phase shift. Dividing by 3 would allow to generate a higher output frequency but it would require to form short pulses from long pulses.

Most flexible would probably be to have a microcontroller or DSP that has several programmable counters that are directly connected to output pins. That would allow to change the duty cycle and also to compensate for hardware tolerances and especially if its connected to a PC all parameters could be recorded and reproduced exactly and also of course control them dynamically.

Maxim even has an IC (DS1094L) that can generate 3 phases but it might not be flexible enough.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 19, 2008, 01:38:59 PM
  Mother nature's tetrahedral tpu.  Maybe a little ammonia little rf lots of hydrogen.   Need to fill her up.  Just pee in the tank. ::)  All kidding aside what is the nmr of nitrogen.   Jiggle that element in the middle and break the hydrogen bonds. 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MeggerMan on March 19, 2008, 02:04:33 PM
Hi Earl,
I have looked at shift registers but thats not the end of the story.
As I understand it you can clock the input and data pins and get a series of pulses to ripple along the pins.
So the pins will look like this:11111111 after 8 pulses, when what we want is 00100000

What I think is needed is about 3 flip flops connected to some nor gates and nand gates.
So output:
001____Q1 on (!1 and !2 and 3)
010____All off
011____Q2 on (!1 and 2 and 3)
100____All off
101____Q3 on (1 and !2 and 3)
110____All off
111____Reset
 
3 F/F for a 50% duty cycle.

Or use 2 F/F for no duty cycle then drive the output to a delay line chip or like you say use an avalanche circuit (bit of coax and a high speed power mosfet).

Regards
Rob

Title: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Earl on March 19, 2008, 02:51:04 PM
Rob,

a suitably connected SR will give you one single bit gliding from stage to stage.
All stages are logic zero except one.

connect
Stage 1 - avalanche generator 1 / coil 1
Stage 2 -
Stage 3 - avalanche generator 2 / coil 2
Stage 4 -
Stage 5 - avalanche generator 3 / coil 3
Stage 6 -

I haven't had time to look at coil 4, but don't see any major problems.

Then you program your synthesized clock generator to start at X and end at Y with step of Z and dwelling time of Q.

Lay down horizontally with food and drink, watch the oscilloscope and with-in a day or week depending upon your luck, you will find the desired frequency.  Start with a larger step and if not found reduce step size and sweep again.  Continue until the bank of incandescent lamps shining on your eyes wakes you up, hehehehe

We have no idea yet how wide the sweet spot is.  1 Hz? 10 Hz? 100 Hz? 1kHz?

I know someone sweeping an entirely and totally different FE configuration who told me his sweet spot was only 100 Hz wide.  No gradual rise or fall, no Gaussian curve, just wham bam:  full there or not at all.  Blink your eyes and you don't see it.

Regards, Earl
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on March 19, 2008, 03:37:32 PM
Hi Rob/Earl,

Even simpler, a decade counter can work which counts as 10000000, 01000000, 0010000. Then the 4 one triggers the reset.

The only problem with this is the the counter doesn't count up again until the next rising clock pulse.  As we use the clock pulse as the main coil at the top, and each pulse is f/3, the result is that the clock pulse coil will turn on at the same moment as each of the other 3 coils, but remains on only half the length of time as it goes off with the falling signal, but the decade counter keeps its outputs high until the next pulse hi, ignoring the falling edge!

There is of course a small lag time between when the 4017 sees a rising edge and the time it takes its output to go hi.  It may be needed to place a buffer or perhaps two invertors in series for the main signal to add a similar delay and tighten the two up?!

Just my 2 cents...


Regards,

Dave.
Title: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Earl on March 19, 2008, 03:50:15 PM
Dave,

thanks for your tip.

I prefer to stay miles away from decades counters, unless I need to count.

Notice that there are 12 internal AND gates in such a decade counter in
order to do state decoding.  You will have inherent phase noise and jitter until
the cows come home.

My advise is to stay away from decade counters and stick with shift registers.

Respectfully, Earl
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on March 19, 2008, 03:52:05 PM
Hi Earl,

Ya, just presented as a quick and dirty option, but as you say, better to look at other options.



Regards,

Dave.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 19, 2008, 09:41:43 PM
Sadly to say, I have to agree with Grumpy on this one.   

I see nothing special here.  Besides there are better ways to create a rotating magnetic field and the coils need to be oriented in a different maner to extract energy from the rotation.   This seems to be nothing more than wishful thinking based on atomic symetery to imply something.

NMR is not a set frequency for one, and depends on the STATIC H field that the material is imersed in.

Second,  coils A is redundant since it pulses with each of the 3 sector coils, and all it does is deflect the flux somewhat.  You can elimnate it and tilt the angles on the 3 coils below.  Then you can say you have an inplane rotating magnetic vector, but the TPU location does nothing.  Flux needs to CUT THROUGH THE COILS AREA, and from the placement it does not do that very well.   

Lastly, this is not SM's technology, and does not approach what we see in the videos.

EM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 19, 2008, 09:55:44 PM
     This shit is way too screwed up..  First he infers Truman drops a couple of these on Japan (no demonstration guy was an animal) then he tells you how to make one.  Just make sure you tune it out of phase.  The ether energy is going to be nice and just swirl around right where you want it.  No reflections no rf no thermal energy just a nice easy swirling of unlimited potential energy at extraordinary high frequencies.  Tune it to a frequency that iron has so that the magnetic bubbles that are necessary to compact hang around because iron remembers.  But make sure you don't create 4 spherical mag fields at the same time cause then you can't shut it off cause your fckd when you do and the same if you don't.  Why build the coils at all just buy 4 microwave ovens bypass the door switches hang one on the tree out back, 3 propped up at 30 degrees on the ground,  a coil of copper tubing hanging under the top one, triggering circuit from rackshack, and away you go.
     I'd try making one of these with speakers first and see if you can get some air spinning before replicating a potential "density" bomb.
     Tao's find pictured below incorporates design  simplicity.  Electrical vortex.  Might need a little kick coil to get the spin up. 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: bolt on March 20, 2008, 12:34:30 AM
The angle of the coils appears not to be critical if it was then SM tpu would have never have worked or it would have looked like the layout described herein with bits sticking out.  BUT the timing is interesting and although not unique in the idea i don't believe anyone on this forum has reproduced even slightly the correct firing sequence.

Already having discussions over the right way to do this and i agree shift registers work just fine and will clock up easy to many megs. No need for expensive synth chips.

As builders all ready have something that sort of resembles a tpu and we know from SM designs many ways to skin a cat surely its not too difficult to at least make up a timing board and give it a whirl. Im a firm believer that its only volts, frequency and timing thats required and not amps thus power requirements should minuscule. Like most similar technologies the sequencer is only the catalysts and there is no need for handling the output power at all. ..keely and Joe Newman come to mind.

One of the interesting concepts of the locked 3 to1 timing ratio means it should be much easier to find the base frequency of operation even if that is linked to the size of the tpu or is a constant value. But the rub is SM clearly heard saying turning on frequency one then two UNLESS this was to throw off potential copy cats for the same reason as using a reed switch.

I think what happens in the end after trying for so long you become so pessimistic that anything new that comes along is dismissed simply because you failed in the past.

BTW whats this on Jacks show today that some group playing with technology that is messing up the weather? very interesting if someone got a link to more information.

edit more.........our Mr spherics is still about he has taken time out from the beach bar while on vacation and edited the gifs to go with his opening posts. As he has posted the gifs and provided the angles required why argue its wrong?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 20, 2008, 02:30:31 AM
spherics
Quote
Surely I don't need to tell you how to intercept a high speed rotating magnetic field to create current of high potential!


He does not tell since he doesn't know for sure.  This is exactly what I was talking about.  His TPU is not placed correctly in relation to the rotating magnetic field to capture the energy.  This person is just another "PC hero" who thinks he's discovered something and veils himself in mystery to impress and gain credibility.   He makes a number of erroneous statements as well, and doesn't know much about electomagnetics or atomic physics apparently.

EM   
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: BEP on March 20, 2008, 02:50:25 AM
Hmmm....

PC hero or not the idea of 3D waves crashing reminds me of the wonderful smell of burning Bakelite. I think I'll try it. But I Iike the idea of slamming the A's together instead of the B's. Kinda like Marco's dancing magnets but with 3D safety glasses on.

I'll probably just have to open the windows again to clear the smoke. After all - serious target or not you gotta have fun with it.

>>Edit

EM said "NMR is not a set frequency for one, and depends on the STATIC H field that the material is imersed in."

I knew that but something just clicked. The above IS TRUE. So if earlier TPUs used a magnet perhaps that was the reason?
Yes, I still think the idea reed switches were used is still bunk. Sorry guys :(
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: ronotte on March 20, 2008, 11:09:09 AM
@EM,

I do 100% agree with you:

THIS IS NOT SM's TECHNOLOGY and should not be posted here.

From the inception of this thread I've seen many, many intringuing exploits: this being one of the best...but in my opinion so far from any reality. Yes it would be so easy to build it and prove something but I think that we will loose time as after carefully analyzing the proposed setup I think that nothing of extraordinary will happen neither in the interaction centre nor in capturing power.

The dfro suggestions still does apply 100% and I assure you provide for what we all are seeking: just do it.

Roberto

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: wattsup on March 20, 2008, 01:34:55 PM
@Guys

The idea here is not to use fancy electronics that will kill the flyback. Don't forget, this is simply a rotational 120 degrees so firing each coil in succession means you can send juice into the first one, open the first one and send the flyback to the second, open the the second and send the flyback to the third then open the third and send the flyback to the first, and so on thereafter. Now if the coils are designed to resonate with the flyback high voltage low amperage, there is a good chance this will work. Don't forget the flyback will be in reverse polarity.

All the toroid wants to see is a rotational field. It won't care if it is from low voltage high amperage, or high voltage low amperage, but Tesla has shown that your design will use less energy with the later form. The idea is to use the same energy twice. @AC has shown this in The Tesla Project thread with very simple control and I have tested this with a small motor going back and forth with only one current pulse.

But if you are planning to just do the same old linear pulsing high frequencies, it will be energy intensive. Learn from the ECD. It has already been tried. There are no 3D waves crashing here since the process is in succession. The packing method simply assures full coverage over the toroid.

Now if the three bottom coils are North up, and the top coil is North down and the top coil pulses at each bottom pulse, the top coil will create repulsion over the toroid and the three bottom coils will create the rotation. That is pretty close to simulation of drag conditions in any alternator/generator.

Also, and this I cannot really predict, once current starts flowing from the toroid, the toroid itself will have the resistance to the current flow (yes this time it's BEMF - hate that word) that will create another field inside the device. This interaction with the rotating field and top repulsion is not clear but it will happen.

But regardless of the coil configuration, the basic idea seems sound and could surely be applied to many generator styles.

@Roberto

I hope your back is not hurting to much with your garage changes. Keep well.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: acerzw on March 20, 2008, 08:37:45 PM
All this reminds me of my post on a 'Cymatic Energy Generator' here, Spheric's is an electromagnetic equivalent:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg65679.html#msg65679

The basic structure is the same as Spherics analogy to the H-Bomb.... it did not occur to me at the time. The idea I had came from Keely's levels of matter diagram and Walter Russell's work.

It occurs the feedback coils would not be necessary on the shell of the bomb if it was just compression of an exotic substance, Only one trigger wire for each shaped charge on each plate would be necessary to create the compression wave required to trigger the chain-reaction in the radioactive mass. I suppose there may be another explanation, and correction of the timing was my first idea, but as Spheric's points out the wires are of a length so the timing would be correct anyway, negating the need for feedback coils. I like the explanation of the EMP pulse, but there may be another explanation.

I would note disassociation of hydrogen molecules produces extra energy, yet the molecules remain so E=MC2 is not preserved. It seems likely that all energy is from the vacuum/aether as Tom Bearden states, and that all particles have perpetual motion since they derive there energy from the aether, which Tesla seems to regards as vibrating at very high frequency...

Spheric's basic premise seems to fit with aether theory as far as I have researched it. It echo's Schauberger's compression vortex/waves...

Wave interference focused on a central point seems worthwhile, it mirrors the structures of matter and the cosmos in general...

A
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 20, 2008, 10:57:11 PM
    @acer

       This configuration is way overkill.  Not worth the risk or the time or the money.  You don't need to risk compression of the aether to get some potential energy out of it.  Just anchor a chain to Earth and surf the Tsunami waves.   Why wouldn't 3 pulsed coils wrapped around a ring phased pulsed be a more direct way to start an aether swirl.  This creates an electrical smoke ring of sorts that will keep it's shit together relative to the aether freqs and pickup some potential energy from it.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: bolt on March 20, 2008, 11:20:45 PM
I would love to dive in and try but don't have access to anything more then a screwdriver LOL

I just read all of SM's pdf notes again then listened to Jacks radio interview again then looked at this spherics info. Spherics is going out on a limb here i am sure. I find it hard to believe that the TPU had no power supply so im sure it had at least a 12 volt keyfob battery in all the models. SM confirms there was batteries but later found the unit could be started without. Thats all required to start the timing circuit shown here. If SM had limited knowledge as Jack suggest its still not THAT hard to put together TTL/cmos stuff of the 90's to build a timing circuit to get this going. I think it could be built up with 2 IC's on an inch of veroboard and taped up even in the small round units.

Jack said when the units got hot the just shut down. SM already said his units contain thermistor cutouts. You can buy these beads that cut out at fixed temp they are used in things like hair dryers. That would explain why the unit got very hot to the point roasting then switch off. Without a cut out bead inside there is nothing to prevent total melt down of all the plastic wire insulation.

I do find the fixed 19 minutes hard to believe as a constant value between any tpu.  It would be the same on the same device as assuming the heat production was the same then it would required the same amount of time to reach the 130 C cutout temp. However other units that had different characteristics must cut out at different times. I can accept they ALL have heat problems. Jack states later he really only ever saw and played with the 15 inch tpu.

SM mentions he has SS devices he also says they are very very simple. No mass circuitry means no LSI purpose made IC's.  Jack says no there is basically nothing at all but then he never had access to more then the large tpu and never looked in the control box. The white molex connectors have far too many wires to be just coil terminations. I do agree that the small toroidal on top are now believed to be chokes and the big caps are simple DC filter caps and play no part in the real operation.

SM says the best collectors had 3 coils or layers but don't mean to say it wont work with 2. Jack feels it had 2 collectors. SM states the number of collectors can be fed in series or parallel to increase volts or amps.

I don't believe the magnet play a part in the operation. The position and usage is far too diverse between the 4 tpu shown in the vids other then to act as a switch. In one of the vids of the 108 volts tpu that lights up a single lamp SM puts hit hand in his pocket containing one magnet and drops it into the coil housing to turn on the device.  In the small 25 w open tpu 2 magnets were used. In one of the large 15 inch tpu vids a large speaker magnet was placed on the control box to activate the reed switch. Jack may be dead right about this fact.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Laserrod on March 21, 2008, 03:43:37 PM
Thanks Earl for doing the "legwork" on a digital 3 or 4 phase coil kicker.
You know your digital!
I thought up the same D-flop Nor gate sync. circuit before you called my/our attention your work/posted about 20 post earlier on this thread.
I'm thinking of triggering xenon bulbs as coil switches
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: buzz-ard on March 23, 2008, 03:36:54 AM
Hello, all. Sorry for the length of this post, but I've got lots of thoughts to share. I decided to put it in this thread because of the relevance of the title and the fact that it's not too clogged up with replies yet.

I've been monitoring the various information available about the TPU for some time now, and I'm finally ready to try a build of my own. I waited so long to get started because I've been compiling information and thinking it through first, and learning how to use my equipment again. What's in this posting will be the basis for my first efforts. I tip my hat to Otto, Roberto, Jason, Giantkiller, and everyone else who has managed to get their build to work and shared it with us. I apologize if anything I say here has been covered before in the forum; it's getting really difficult to follow all the threads.

Now, I'm not nearly as qualified as most of you here, but I hope you all will humor me and provide gentle feedback if warranted. I was educated as an EE but have never used it, so I won't claim to know what I'm doing. (Today I'm a data networking guru.) But I do have a fairly strong foundation in theory and played around in the lab quite a bit 25 years ago. I also had a couple of jobs repairing early video games (remember Pong?), pinball machines, jukeboxes, and early digital cash registers. I recall that you can get some interesting effects in analog audio circuits using magnets and coils placed in strategic spots.

My intent is to share my interpretation of SM's clues as related by Lindsay Mannix. I also heard Jack Durban's stuff on Sterling Allan's most excellent radio show earlier this week, and a few things he said make sense to me. I'm not concerned with who invented this technology, but SM did show us several working examples. Durban even said that "it works". If anyone has run across any other working examples as related by Durban I'm sure the group would be interested in hearing about them.

The theme here is "back to basics."

Lindsay's PDF is the source of 90% of my ideas; please refer to it when verifying my information. I believe SM gave us the entire thing in a nutshell on pages 8-9 of the PDF. The other 10% comes from the demo videos, which are of such poor quality as to be useful for little other than visual orientation. I don't know if I'm right or wrong about any of these interpretations, but I present them here in hopes that something I say may spark new ideas or perhaps solidify others.

We've seen various size TPUs in the videos. I think we can all agree that the size of the unit in part determines it's operating potential. The device should scale to many sizes up or down. I'm going to use a 15-inch unit as a baseline for talking here, but the size doesn't matter right now. 15" is a size that SM specifically referred to and I believe it is relevant to understanding other aspects of his clues (see Notes below). For now, just visualize a 15-inch unit, like the one Jack Durban says he saw.

Incidentally, Durban's claim of maximum TPU operating time do not jibe with the observational reports made by Dr. Schinzinger or the SM demo videos. Don't know if this is relevant or not, but it struck me as odd that there would be such different run-times observed.


* Control Coil Design *

SM said there are at least three control coils, "all the way around." The job of the control coils is to get electrons moving in the collector. In many of the builds I've seen here, there's been three control coils wound on spool forms. These will indeed produce electron flow when energized, but each coil's field of influence acts on a very narrow region of the collector. The "cardboard box and two table lamps in the empty garage" demo unit appears to be constructed of four coils like this, and is probably an early design (I doubt that plain garage goes with the nice house in the other demos). The concept I'm emphasizing is "all the way around" - induction at many points around the collector, "pushing" the flow around the collector like "squeezing a garden hose."

If a winding on a round core begins and terminates close to 0 degrees of arc, a decent toroidal coil is formed. The spacing between turns should probably be as close as possible to get the benefit of every bit of flux during each pulse. Once the first toroid is wound, the second is wound over it forming a second layer, but beginning and ending 120 degrees from the first. The third coil should be wound over the second forming a third layer, originating another 120 degrees around. The control coils would be three layers thick ("three coils or so one on top of the other"), perpendicular to the collector, with their ends spaced every 120 degrees. This physical arrangement also implies 120 degrees of phase, but we're talking DC output so phase isn't really the right term. SM gave an indication that one control coil may need to be directly connected to another one, but this wasn't entirely clear.

@Giantkiller, Tesla's patent 381970 does appear to be similar, but he used a mechanical exciter design to get things rolling. I think a functional device won't need much more than a cap or two, and at that only to get current moving faster and in more volume.

@JasonO: Bifilar windings double the fun, and your video regarding this is very telling. I think you are right on this point, although the SM demo videos don't seem to show bifilar windings. Too bad he taped everything up to obscure what's inside.

SM said he uses "lamp cord" to "connect his speakers". Lamp cord is usually two parallel conductors with a shared insulator, but I'm not sure that this configuration is entirely necessary - the videos seem to show a single conductor at either end of each control coil. What lamp cord does provide is a large number of individual conductors in a tight bundle, and I believe this is his point. Each strand in the bundle will host its own electron flow, thus multiplying the magnetic coupling potential. SM speaks of "1000 pieces of wire twelve inches long". A hundred turns in each control coil times the number of strands in the wire equals a lot of inches. Three layers of this should make for a really high-induction driver coil that can "push" lots of electrons around the collector, creating Tesla's "pressure".

Cork or plastic would make an ideal light-weight form for winding the toroidal control coils. So would most anything else non-conductive and non-ferrous (OK, maybe not bismuth!). The material doesn't need to be particularly heavy nor strong. A somewhat porous material may offer better vibration-dampening properties than a solid like plastic. SM doesn't mention the material or an exact shape, although the control coils appear to be elongated ovals. This shape would yield even more "inches of wire" than a true round-wound toroid. I've seen several suggestions to use baling wire (from SM) or iron wire, and I've got a spool to try it out. So long as the turns aren't in contact, iron wire may yield some additional flux.


* Collector Coil Design *

The collector isn't the most critical piece here - it's the control coils. I'm tempted to replace the terms "control coil" with "primary", and "collector" with "secondary", but I'll stick to the conventions established by SM. I'm not even sure that it has to be a Moebius design. Either way, I think we can all agree that the collector design isn't as important as establishing flow through it.

My initial efforts will employ a multi-turn length of lamp cord, at least 4 or 5 turns. Tesla's patent 381970 mentions adding an iron core, and this may be useful later. SM said something about possibly feeding the collector output back into the control coils (is that what he said?); logically this would be in the first or second control coil layer to boost the excitation phase. "Feed-forward" (not reverse RMF or flyback or anything like that) is the salient point. Right or wrong, I get this notion from SM's tube vs transistor discussion.


* Electronic Design *

Anyone notice how much SM says he hates transistors and likes to build using tubes first? Transistors were the big thing during the time his TPU was being developed, but he's right - they're sloppy as hell. MOSFETS are mentioned, and with a good clean signal source a MOSFET or two should be able to easily drive the control coils. These don't have to put out tons of juice, but the signal they emit must be a pure as possible to achieve the desired effect. The MOSFETs wouldn't necessarily need to be pulsed by a driver circuit, instead just boosting what's put into them from the caps. The output frequencies would ramp up as the circuit experiences its own inherent gain. SM makes a big point of reducing artifacts in the output, something tubes are very good at. His example of stereo amplifiers really drives this idea home, but these are concepts to be applied during refinement of a working unit and aren't that critical at this stage, IMHO.

Magnet to activate unit? Probably for a reed switch for off/on states as suggested by Durban, but the magnet may be of more use than just a switch. The smallest unit has no magnet visible, at least that I could see. There has been some discussion about the two toroidal coils and poly caps in the large unit being for smoothing, but I'm not sure this is correct. In the case of a toroid on a VGA monitor cable, for instance, the toroid typically surrounds the signal wires, and I don't see this configuration in the videos. I believe the caps and toroids in the large unit are there to generate "kicks" and have nothing to do with output. I hope Durban will post his "master" copy of the video so we could all see better, but it's still not out there yet that I've found.

According to Durban (and from looking at the demo videos) there are no electronics involved, and this makes sense - electronic circuits of any significance would require some type of power source to get them operational, and there just doesn't seem to be any external power source. However, something has to get things rolling.


* Pulse Frequencies *

SM referred to 3 frequencies. The frequencies are obviously important, but I feel quite sure that they're a function of natural resonance and not generated by a 555 or any other device. Durban said that the coils were "tediously wound" and I think this is a central concept. We all know that various winding configurations affect frequency in conductors. Once a resonance frequency has been established in the first control coil the others will be affected, presumably as a harmonic function. I've done a little math and found that the number "7" seems to figure prominently in SM's example in the PDF (see Notes below).


* Magnetic and Other Concepts *

I did much study years ago about magnetic fields and vortex effects in a toroid. I can't cite any examples directly, but I know they're out there. Specifically look for papers about MRI machines and similar technology. There are also definitely military applications in use that I won't discuss here.

A well-designed toroid with sufficient input power will generate a flux vortex, with the "top" side rotating in one direction and the "bottom" side rotating in the opposite direction. This would readily explain both the rotational inertial effects described by SM and fit with his assertion that there is some interaction with Earth's magnetic field. There's plenty out there about Earth magnetic currents also. I seem to remember some work by USGS in this area - Google it. In any event, the rotational nature of a strong toroidal-generated vortex fits well with the observed effects.


* Operation *

SM says to start the first frequency, then the second, then the third, in sequence. I don't think he meant that they have to be started individually, but that they will propagate themselves to neighboring coils as the TPU "spins up". They would feed themselves and build in a linear fashion once the correct configuration is found.

But something has to generate the initial "kick", and we're back to the magnet/caps/ceramic-core toroid question. We know that a magnet moved across a wire will generate a small current dependent on direction, distance, and speed. SM alludes to this as well. A small number of "kicks" should be all that's required to get it going.



* The Build *

I saw a thread started by a new group member who wound a simple toroidal coil around a collector and says he's getting 3 VAC from it. I suspect this is just a fluke, as there's really no way that an unpowered coil can produce AC voltage. I replicated this last night and got a half-volt DC potential from it, but I'm not sure whether this is real or a side-effect caused by signal injection from my oscilloscope probe. I'll be doing more testing with this basic design when I find my good meter, since my old Triplett seems to have given up the ghost.


* Notes *

After digesting the PDF posted by Lindsay Mannix, I did a little arithmetic and came up with the following. I don't claim to be a math expert, but got some interesting results that seem to correlate some of SM's statements. Recall I mentioned earlier that 7 seems significant.

SM said he saw a 35k Hz resonance. He also mentioned the device also exhibited a 245K Hz signal. He went on to peg the first frequency at 35.705k Hz. Let's look at these, assuming that all values refer to kilo Hertz:

245 / 35 = 7
35 / 7    = 5 (remember SM saying that output was about 5k Hz?)

More precisely:

35.705 / 7.141 = 5
35.705 * 7.141 = 254.9694

Now let's consider SM's statement that frequency is directly related to circumference (I think he meant diameter in his speaker example, but circumference could be used just as easily). Assuming the 15" design I said I would use as a reference for this posting:

5 / 15   = 0.333
35 / 15  = 2.333
245 / 15 = 16.333

5.2127k Hz can be derived using these ratios, if one cares to do the math.

And:

0.333 * 7 =  2.331
2.333 * 7 = 16.331

I don't know if any of this is significant or not, but I'd bet there's a clue in there somewhere. Once someone has a functional unit this may be useful for scaling.


I will post a video when I have something significant to show, as others have so generously done. For now I just want to get folks thinking in line with the KISS principle. I believe that multiple frequency generators and such are over-thinking the problem. For now, thanks for reading. I welcome any and all feedback except flames - that has no place here. Happy experimenting, and be careful!

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: singerxyz on March 23, 2008, 04:14:53 AM
After listening to Jack Durban talk about SM, I get the feeling that the only switching was 'organic' using reed switches between coils, with the frequency being determined by the coil length. This would make them fire 120 degrees out of phase. And if SM was as unschooled as Jack suggested, we should do as Einstein said - Keep a beginner's mind. To the beginner, the possibilities are endless, to the expert, it's either A,B or C...
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 23, 2008, 05:05:45 AM
I think this is Jack's way of offering his services to anyone who may have a working device - a marketing tactic of sorts and not much more.  He even mentioned that he had heard that a group had a working TPU.

If SM knew nothing of electronics - why all the stuff about specific tubes?

Jack's on a fishing trip cause he could figure out the TPU either.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: singerxyz on March 23, 2008, 02:23:17 PM
I think this is Jack's way of offering his services to anyone who may have a working device - a marketing tactic of sorts and not much more.  He even mentioned that he had heard that a group had a working TPU.

If SM knew nothing of electronics - why all the stuff about specific tubes?

Jack's on a fishing trip cause he could figure out the TPU either.
The tube stuff may have been a ruse, we don't know. But let's not get emotional about SM or Jack. It may be true that Jack is looking to get involved in the marketing (among other things...) and that's good! We need guys like that too. And I know his products are used in the real world as I got very frustrated a few weeks ago in Florida trying to get my shopping cart to my car parked just beyond his electronic barrier ;-) . Also, he readily admitted that he couldn't reproduce the TPU. He may be simply the guy that contact's that one right person who adds the missing piece- he seems to know many people intimately involved with the project. I consider him an asset to the team right now...

BTW I think his comments on the 20 minute meltdown may validate the theory of magneto-restriction as the working principle in the TPU. Something to consider and perhaps plan for.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: infringer on March 23, 2008, 08:35:37 PM
may be way off topic but a month or so ago there was a big kick with homopolar generators while this work is far from finsihed I am curious if anyone has ponderd the thought of a homopolar generator inside these rings as it seems that homopolar generator generates a magnetic spin of sorts hell maybe even a homopolar generator inside of a homopolar generator.

Sorry to include just had the dumb thought to share in case of importance though I felt it would do no harm to suggest something to add to possible testing...


Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: spherics on March 24, 2008, 04:56:27 PM


It appears I have been too brief in my presentation. I truly believed that there would be a group here who would be able to make the leap between the Steven Mark devices you are familiar with and the design that I showed.

Firstly although this has been mooted I am not Jack. All I will say is the interview says more about the character of Jack than it does Steven Mark. I will also add that the SM device uses rotation. I say this without doubt and Jack is wrong in saying rotation is not necessary.

I will now talk about the Steven Mark designs you have seen in the videos and the like so you will understand why my design at the start of this message works.

The SM designs all work on the same set of principles. A pulse into a coil generates an expanding magnetic field. The magnetic field comes into being by an underlying patterning of the ether. It is a cascade action on the part of the ether that causes the EFFECT of an expanding magnetic field. If you then cause a second magnetic field to expand through the same space as the already expanding magnetic field, a specific cascading action, apattern is setup in the ether which is the EQUIVALENT of a magnetic field and has many of the characteristics of a magnetic field. By this I mean it will interact with metals, and cause the EFFECT of a current, IF the field is moving across the metal.  I will refer to this field as a COMP field from now on. But please be clear this COMP field is in addition to the expected magnetic field. This COMP field, a patterning in the ether, is dampened and effectively nulled by magnetic metals. This is why if you are using an iron core in the coils named control coils you will never get a working TPU.

No doubt this may be disconcerting to many who have fond references to baling wire, iron wire and the like. I will now digress onto the circumstance surrounding the initial eureka moment as I understand them. Audiophiles who frequent this watering-hole will no doubt have heard of QUAD ESL electrostatic speakers. An essential design element is the incoming signal is sent into, I believe, 7 or 8 progressive delay elements. These elements delay the signal by microseconds each time.

As part of experiments, associated with what would become his 3D spacial control patents, he was using these delay elements with custom made bifilar wound voice coils (i.e. air coils) and unexpectedly detected an anomolous signal on his spectrum analyser.

Steven Mark created his own delay elements using iron wire after several years of intermittent experimentation. The technique was to carefully wrap a bifilar air-coil using copper wire. The longer the length of copper the better but using identical lengths. The two coils were connected to the SAME pulse waveforms in parallel so that the magnetic field is additive NOT cancelling. The delay element was added in series to only one of the coils that made up the bifilar coil. The delay coil was made from insulated iron wire wound into an air coil. An oscilloscope was connected to both COPPER coils. The setup would be pulsed with a dc offset square wave (i.e. 0 to 20V not -10 to 10V) at the resonant frequency of the bifilar coils. The tuning consisted of cutting the iron wire down in length until an unexpected pulse/signal appeared. This pulse is the kick. I will refer to these tuned bifilar coils as kick coils.

You are privy to the information that the COMP field is nulled by iron. Those who so wish may like to take some time to fully comprehend the frustrations of closely packing the delay and bifilar coils together only to find the unexpected pulse was no longer appearing!!!  This is what SM had to contend. And Jack says SM was not technical. Bunkum!!

From traditional electrical engineering view point the kick coils for a particular quantity of energy now put out the expected magnetic field but also put out the COMP field which has effects like a magnetic field. In a world that excludes the ether, these coils are overunity. If the world took into account the ether, then the coils would not be thought of as overunity.

The magnetic field is now larger than expected. All that needs to be done is to rotate this field in a circle and intercept the field with an output coil. The captured energy is greater than the input energy because of the energy apparently created by the COMP field. If you arrange all N poles of the kicker coils so that they point towards the center and pulse each coil in turn you will get a rotating magnetic field. There are many ways to create a rotating magnetic field. A secondary effect of a rotating field is the entrainment of the COMP field so that the pattern in the ether is partially additive. A big problem was the iron in the delay coils. It was found that a large solenoid fed with a DC current to produce a static magnetic field around all of the kicker coils allowed the kicker coils to be tuned with the iron delay coils in close proximity.

Intercepting only N poles of the kicker coils means you get a DC output along with a smaller induced ripple from pulsing the kicker coils.

Feedback of the output into the input was achieved using toroidal saturable inductor switches. I've copied the picture from other messages of the inductor switches. Refer to the patent for an example to see how these switches are used. Early designs used a small magnet to bias the saturable inductors.

All SM devices had small batteries to power the LC oscillators. The LC oscillators were used as control pulse currents to the saturable inductors. To start the process high voltage capacitors were step charged, this is why the coils took time to start-up! The first few pulses came from these pre-charged capacitors being switched via saturable inductors. Part of the DC output was feedback to keep the capacitors fully charged.

My design shown at the very start of this message thread eliminated the need for an iron delay coil because the pattern is set up in the ether outside of the influence of copper metal of the control coils. It directly allows the COMP field to be generated IN FREE SPACE. By placing the output toroidal coil within this free space the COMP field is intercepted. The complete lack of any magnetic materials within this design is what allows this to happen.

I do believe there are elements of information here that you will not have been aware of before. I trust this is enough to convince at least some of you to reflect and ponder more seriously on this material.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19820016542_1982016542.pdf

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: ramset on March 24, 2008, 05:11:57 PM
WELL this is definately the right watering hole for this info  a lot to digest   :o    THank you 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: spherics on March 24, 2008, 06:17:50 PM
@Grumpy
@Nomen luni

Asinus asinum fricat

Pacta sunt servanda
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: bluedemon on March 24, 2008, 06:27:19 PM
@Grumpy
@Nomen luni

Asinus asinum fricat

Pacta sunt servanda

Asinus asinum fricat.  - The donkey scratches the donkey. Stupid and conceited people flatter each other about qualities they do not possess.

Pacta sunt servanda.  - Agreements should be obeyed.

I'm taking a guess here that you have already made a few of these and improved on the design and theory.  If so thanks for sharing the information.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 24, 2008, 06:30:01 PM
Hey guy! Look! Latin proverbs!

Asinus asinum fricat

"One donkey scratches another donkey."


Pacta sunt servanda

"pacts must be respected"


Sounds like spherics made a Faustian bargain.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: spherics on March 24, 2008, 06:40:56 PM
Hey guy! Look! Latin proverbs!

Asinus asinum fricat

"One donkey scratches another donkey."


Pacta sunt servanda

"pacts must be respected"


Sounds like spherics made a Faustian bargain.


@grumpy

whoosh ................  over your head!! 

Never mind. Ask Chef he understood !
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 24, 2008, 07:05:20 PM
     @spherics

  Welcome back!  Please bare with me I'm a little slow.  Before we coil the wire and complicate things in my mind we take a lamp cord and on one end tie the two ends together.  Then on one of the wires we cut off some of the copper and replace it with a length of iron wire (I would guess aluminum wire would be better)  to change the reluctance of that circuit. (With also an adjustment of the capacitance of that portion of the circuit?).  Then we pulse the parallel conductors with a linear ramp dc pulse.

    The aether then observes two edpulses that are timed by the reluctance of the iron/aluminum antennae?
And it's reaction would be?    Thankyou!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 24, 2008, 07:08:02 PM
spherics,  it sounds like you're somebody who worked with SM or knew a bit more about how he invented or discovered principles that led to his TPU technology.   So can you draw a diagram of the circuit you describe in this passage?

Quote
As part of experiments, associated with what would become his 3D spacial control patents, he was using these delay elements with custom made bifilar wound voice coils (i.e. air coils) and unexpectedly detected an anomolous signal on his spectrum analyser.

Steven Mark created his own delay elements using iron wire after several years of intermittent experimentation. The technique was to carefully wrap a bifilar air-coil using copper wire. The longer the length of copper the better but using identical lengths. The two coils were connected to the SAME pulse waveforms in parallel so that the magnetic field is additive NOT cancelling. The delay element was added in series to only one of the coils that made up the bifilar coil. The delay coil was made from insulated iron wire wound into an air coil. An oscilloscope was connected to both COPPER coils. The setup would be pulsed with a dc offset square wave (i.e. 0 to 20V not -10 to 10V) at the resonant frequency of the bifilar coils. The tuning consisted of cutting the iron wire down in length until an unexpected pulse/signal appeared. This pulse is the kick. I will refer to these tuned bifilar coils as kick coils

thanks,

EM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on March 24, 2008, 07:37:43 PM
Spherics,

I am trying to understand and believe.

Two inconsistencies are bothering me though:

1. none of SM's devices appear to have coils oriented as you have portrayed. There is no coil in the center other than the small toroid(s) in some cases, and unless all the control coils were very short, stubby, and pointed inward/upward, they would not concentrate a N-pole towards the center. It looks more like the coils are wound "around" the ring.

2. SM mentioned specifically 3 frequencies. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd harmonics.

Can you address these questions?

Appreciated.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: singerxyz on March 24, 2008, 07:50:47 PM

Why are some people trying to drive people like Spherics away? These are the tactics of people who are 'planted' on forums to disrupt and prevent development. I'm not accusing, I just don't see how these actions are productive. I for one think his theories are worth investigation. (And that no theories are worth ridicule.)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Super God on March 24, 2008, 07:54:00 PM
No need to get angry, Grumpy.  Why does everyone need pages of explanation and proof before they try something?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 24, 2008, 08:07:40 PM
   
     @spherics

  Welcome back!  Please bare with me I'm a little slow.  Before we coil the wire and complicate things in my mind we take a lamp cord and on one end tie the two ends together.  Then on one of the wires we cut off some of the copper and replace it with a length of iron wire (I would guess aluminum wire would be better)  to change the reluctance of that circuit. (With also an adjustment of the capacitance of that portion of the circuit?).  Then we pulse the parallel conductors with a linear ramp dc pulse.

    The aether then observes two edpulses that are timed by the reluctance of the iron/aluminum antennae?
And it's reaction would be?    Thankyou!

     Politicians on all levels SUCK.  They all want to be Gods but once they get to the top don't have the first clue about what to do.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 24, 2008, 08:10:28 PM
Quote
Why does everyone need pages of explanation and proof before they try something?

This is a fundamental question, not just here. but in general life.

Pondering it for some time will reveal wisdom.  I've learned a few things on this forum, and perhaps even some wisdom, as in why should I listen to somebody and spend my time and money?  As in what is the motivation behind a post? etc.. etc...

This is the road of experience, and everyone will get on it at different points and learn differnet things, some will succeed others will not.   

EM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 24, 2008, 08:45:17 PM

Why are some people trying to drive people like Spherics away? These are the tactics of people who are 'planted' on forums to disrupt and prevent development. I'm not accusing, I just don't see how these actions are productive. I for one think his theories are worth investigation. (And that no theories are worth ridicule.)

Because they know better! The proof is the variety of OU devices they have demonstrated by their presence here.

AM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Earl on March 24, 2008, 09:00:56 PM
It appears I have been too brief in my presentation. I truly believed that there would be a group here who would be able to make the leap between the Steven Mark devices you are familiar with and the design that I showed.

@Spherics

I am glad that you have returned since I need your help.

After listening to Jack's interview and him saying that SM never solved the over-heating problem, I realized that the heating problem is inherent in every design that pushes or pulls electrons longitudinally in conductors.  I therefore decided to pursue an OU project that I started, but put on small flame because of the TPU.  I decided to stop my SM-TPU research and concentrate on this other project because I feel that billions of people heating up the planet with OU devices is not in the interest of the human race.  In fact, it could cause their extinction from heat death.

My big question is whether in Spheric's TPU there is unavoidable heat generated in the collector coil(s) ?

[snip]
The delay element was added in series to only one of the coils that made up the bifilar coil.

Your comment about a small excitation delay into one winding of a bifilar coil is known and appreciated by only a handful of people on the entire planet.  It sent shivers up and down my spine.  It shows me that you have advanced knowledge.

I obtained my knowledge of this from an inventor outside USA.  I wonder if you know which country?  It can not be excluded that this knowledge was found independently by multiple inventors around the globe roughly at the same time.  However, his invention is somewhat (even much) different than SM'sTPU or Spheric's TPU, in spite of the fact of using a small time delay between each bifilar winding.  It was not necessary for him to use any iron wire to achieve the delay.
EDIT:  his invention remained cold with less than 1 Watt for the electronics and 10 to 20 kW output power.

I would be pleased if you accepted to be my public and/or private mentor in my pursuit of knowledge.

Respectfully, Earl
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Jdo300 on March 24, 2008, 10:37:45 PM
Hello Spherics,

I just want to say one thing to you and everyone else on this forum...

I have been on these threads ever since the original "Master of Magnets" posts started flooding the forums. I have seen lots and lots of comments, theories, and rhetoric from people of all sorts.... One thing everyone here needs to know is that you have to get a feel for what is the truth and what is just a bunch of mess. The only way to know this is through research and experimentation.

Now, based on what I think I know about the TPU and the underlying effects that could be driving it, I 100% agree with what Spherics is saying. Spherics, thank you for taking the time to contribute your insights here.

I definitely second Earl on the public or private mentoring offer. The things you spoke about really resonated with what I understand and I would love to learn more about this COMP field that you were talking about.

Steven talked about hooking two transformers slightly out of phase with each other or in reverse.... so the example you gave us with the two slightly out of phase signals in the bifilar windings really fits the bill in my opinion, among many others.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on March 25, 2008, 03:23:42 AM
@spherics,

I've read a lot of back and forth here about what is and what is not overunity.

In a world that excludes the ether, these coils are overunity. If the world took into account the ether, then the coils would not be thought of as overunity.

This is the same conclusion that I had reached.  Thank you for wording it so well.
@Jdo300,

I will build the coil assembly if you make the 300V circuit.  (Nothing fancy now.)  ;)


Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 25, 2008, 05:13:32 AM
You are all already compressing and decompressing the aether all the time - you just don't know it.

For the record, I never said sperics was wrong - just challenged him to prove it.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: eldarion on March 25, 2008, 05:50:55 AM
@All,

I have been lurking for a few months now, waiting for some fresh information to resume testing with.  I will say that portions of what Spherics has written seem promising, and that I just might build and test the basic ideas.

Reading the description of the proposed device brought this back to memory from the long-dead Escribe list (I think Tim Vaguahan wrote this):
Quote
When I was still in high school, I met an engineer who worked for a
contractor based at the NASA Ames Research.   He told me of just an
experiment which resulted in apparent "antigravity" effects.   He built a
cylindrical faraday chamber made out of screen within which was placed 3
vertically oriented dipoles positioned at the vertices of a triangle.  He
phased the 28 megahertz output of a Heathkit DX-100 (a tube Ham radio
transmitter ) so the dipoles produced what he thought would be a electric
field that rotated faster than the speed of light.   The proper phasing
was produced by using different lengths of coax cable to feed each of the
dipoles.  A full sized dipole at 28 Mhz (10 meter amateur band) is 16.7
feet longs.  So he may have used shortened dipoles with coils.
He told me, very matter of factly, that small objects placed within the
chamber would levitate and float around.  They would also, not
surprisingly, get hot, especially things like rubber erasers.
I have lost contact with the engineer, but reading the above brought this
back to my memory.

Hmmm...shortened dipoles with coils.  Add the cylindrical screen (which will end up pulsing a magnetic field at 3x F1 due to induced RF currents) and the topology is quite similar.  Also note the high voltages from a tube-type transmitter...are square waves really required, I wonder?  (They certainly are easier to produce with modern equipment)

Eldarion
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: chrisC on March 25, 2008, 06:53:28 AM
......
For the record, I never said sperics was wrong - just challenged him to prove it.

@Grumpy.

The gentleman does not owe you anything and does not need to prove anything to you! Can you not understand?
In a couple of posts, he has shown himself infinitely more intelligent than what your can ever achieve.

Let's just say, people here have more reasons to believe what he writes is superior to your knowledge base.. I'll just leave it at that. Thank you.

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Gustav22 on March 25, 2008, 07:39:43 AM
Hello spherics,

I want to thank you for coming back here and shedding some more light onto the background of SM?s circular design and also on the tetrahedral design you yourself presented.

I personally am wishing, that you continue to share as much concrete technical details for a  tetrahedral setup as possible.

We now know the necessary amplitude of the excitation signals should be 300V (ground potential to max. potential,  peak to peak)
If there is anything you can say about sensible wire sizes and coil length etc. please give us as much additional info as you can.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: archon79 on March 25, 2008, 08:17:21 AM

Spherics theory seems more logical than every other thing I have read in this forum. But the proof will be in the pudding.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: singerxyz on March 25, 2008, 10:40:39 AM
Just a thought about capacitance:
Maybe the reason the toroid is so deep, almost a tube, is that it contains plates like a laden jar for capacitance. This would also allow it to start without the use of batteries because capacitors tend to recharge themselves somewhat.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: singerxyz on March 25, 2008, 10:57:15 AM
billions of people heating up the planet with OU devices is not in the interest of the human race.  In fact, it could cause their extinction from heat death.

 We already do it every day- aside from heating houses and the heat that cars produce, consider just street lights alone- you could probably boil water on those bulbs!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Earl on March 25, 2008, 11:12:25 AM
billions of people heating up the planet with OU devices is not in the interest of the human race.  In fact, it could cause their extinction from heat death.
We already do it every day- aside from heating houses and the heat that cars produce, consider just street lights alone- you could probably boil water on those bulbs!

Exactly, and with centralized power distribution, half of the energy is burnt up in the resistance of the transmission lines.  Mankind has in effect built up a gigantic planetary toaster.  How intelligent.

Earl
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on March 25, 2008, 11:21:49 AM
You are all already compressing and decompressing the aether all the time - you just don't know it.

PROVE IT!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 25, 2008, 01:23:13 PM
   Spherics posts are all very interesting but what he is describing is virtual matter.
(I was in a bookstore and saw a book about this subject I'm going back now)

  The tetrahedral packing described in his first post is mother nature's ammoniom ion.   It is a very very resilient molecule.  Problematic for human waste treatment plants because of it's tenacity.  It's hydrogen bonds are used by microrganisms as fuel  (carbon isn't the only thing that burns).

   My question to him: Is there a better safer way to collect aether energy short of risking the creation of unstable virtual matter?  His atom bomb picture was not included in his post for kicks.  The coaxial triggers could have been detonating explosives but who gives a shit the main point was their timed detonation compresses the aether and she pushes back big time.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MeggerMan on March 25, 2008, 01:37:09 PM
@Earl,
billions of people heating up the planet with OU devices is not in the interest of the human race.  In fact, it could cause their extinction from heat death.
We already do it every day- aside from heating houses and the heat that cars produce, consider just street lights alone- you could probably boil water on those bulbs!

Exactly, and with centralized power distribution, half of the energy is burnt up in the resistance of the transmission lines.  Mankind has in effect built up a gigantic planetary toaster.  How intelligent.

Earl
I think the sun shines down on the earth with the heat/energy of about 1KW/sq.M depending on you distance from the equator.
OU devices mean free unlimited electricity, so out goes the ICE in your car, gas/oil boiler to heat your house.
Cars will be powered by efficient electric motors, houses heated/cooled by electric heat pumps tapping into geo-thermal (seasonal heat exchage both ways with the ground).
So I suggest things will change for the better.

@Spherics,
Have you got any results from experiments regarding your tetrahedron style TPU setup that you can share with us?
I was wondering if a magnetic compass placed in the centre would spin as a result of the rotating magnetic field.

Regards
Rob
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 25, 2008, 02:33:21 PM
see attached for reference:

Francis Nipher published a collection of his research here:

http://books.google.com/books?printsec=frontcover&dq=francis+nipher&id=Q_oLAAAAYAAJ&as_brr=1&output=html

There is probably only one or two people on this forum that will see that book as the treasure it really is.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: wattsup on March 25, 2008, 03:05:23 PM
@Earl

Mentorship? Come-on, give me a break will y'a. This is one idea over 1000 that has come on this board and many others have more details then this.

Coils - Dimensions, winding, wire size, wire type, resistance values, resonance response, etc.
Toroid - Dimensions, winding, wire size, wire type, resistance value, etc.
Rotation - Speed, frequency, amplitude, type, drive style, etc.

Like I said from the start, the idea is smart, but it does not deserve requests for mentorship. lol. It has only opened a whole realm of R&D required to get it to work, if in fact it will work.

An idea is just that. It's always great to have them and if anyone tried to build it and it does not work, you can always say it was faulty R&D. lol

Grumpy is just looking out for our asses here because we have all had our fair share of what @spherics so eloquently calls "Bunkum". We've seen it, we've done it.

So if @spherics has anything CONCRETE to show, then by all means do it so we can cut through the proverbial fat. If not, say it also so we know from the start.

Otherwise this still remains an idea and surely not worth mentoring.


@spherics

I think Grumpy has made the main point. Do you have something to show?

As for the 3D sound, it is a documented fact that this was a scam. Otherwise where is it. It is also a documented fact that many investors have been shafted royally by SM, otherwise where is the device that they should so rightly own. lol. You can paint what you wish, it will not change the canvas.

Your quotes:
1) The SM designs all work on the same set of principles. A pulse into a coil generates an expanding magnetic field.

2) The magnetic field comes into being by an underlying patterning of the ether.

3) It is a cascade action on the part of the ether that causes the EFFECT of an expanding magnetic field.

4) If you then cause a second magnetic field to expand through the same space as the already expanding magnetic field, a specific cascading action, apattern is setup in the ether which is the EQUIVALENT of a magnetic field and has many of the characteristics of a magnetic field.

5) By this I mean it will interact with metals, and cause the EFFECT of a current, IF the field is moving across the metal.  I will refer to this field as a COMP field from now on.

6) But please be clear this COMP field is in addition to the expected magnetic field. This COMP field, a patterning in the ether, is dampened and effectively nulled by magnetic metals. This is why if you are using an iron core in the coils named control coils you will never get a working TPU.
Unquote

Items 1-6: You are saying all this with so much assurance that you have first hand knowledge of how the TPU works. Do you have proof of the effect on the ether or will this remain another mystery that we have to read between the lines?

Items 1 and 4: You can pulse into one coil and require energy, pulse into a second coil "in parallel" and you will need double the energy, pulse into a third coil in parallel and you will need triple the energy and so on. So where did all this energy come from? lol

Your description is analogous to force feeding a baby. There is no mention in it regarding flyback capture or any other form of energy retrieval that would give this any chance of surviving one second of operation, let alone producing OU so this again "could" be some eloquent "bunkum".

Sorry for being so rough but you have to understand that you are not talking here about a door-knob, you are talking OU production and many here know the scoop.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on March 25, 2008, 03:16:16 PM

see attached for reference:

Francis Nipher published a collection of his research here:

http://books.google.com/books?printsec=frontcover&dq=francis+nipher&id=Q_oLAAAAYAAJ&as_brr=1&output=html

There is probably only one or two people on this forum that will see that book as the treasure it really is.

If this is insufficient - prove it yourselves - I'm not the one claiming I have "Complete information on working SM style device".


You consider that 100% proof do you?

Yes, interesting to read, but no more proof than anything else on paper, with no measurements or diagrams, etc.

You just said, if you want proof, prove it to yourself, yet you expect Spheric to prove it to you?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 25, 2008, 04:29:20 PM
Have you guys realized that what Spherics advocates is the same as the Molina-Marinez patent?   

And if you read what Molina said on this forum, you will see it doesn't work.   He could be lying to us of course, but others have tried it and it doesn't work.

Steven in the first video tells us in such unmistakable terms,  that his device get's the energy from the magnetic field which has an "inherent frequency and we basically tune into that" etc..   This is nothing more than a "radio receiver" with a magnetic loop antenna, and I've done a lot of research into this and the resistance of the antenna is too high compared to the radiation resistance, so he must of discovered something new, but I'm convinced it's very close to this.  Then he talks to us in the Mannix correspondence about frequencies that are related to the circumference,  and again, this fits in with an antenna,  that's when the loop antenna works great and some directionality occurs, so the phenomena he discovered probably started out with a radio like receiver, then he understood what was happening by summation of fields and designed better bigger units.

EM

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 25, 2008, 04:34:47 PM
I am not the one offering complete information on TPU-like devices.

 I only challenged him to prove his theory - which in a roundabout way is doing him a favor.  He hasn't produced the device, for if he had he would not be starting this thread in the first place.  It is one thing to understanding the operation of something - it is quite another to actually build it.

Nipher's work is detailed enough to reproduce his work should you feel the need.  It is no less than a few meter readings on a poor quality video, a light bulb glowing at the end of a wire, and power tools operating from a large inverter - yet everyone accepts that as "proof".

I thought by now that compression and decompression of the aether was common knowledge - guess not.

Many of you are just clinging to this like blind leaches because you lack the ability to develop your own theories and experiment to those ends, so you grab hold of anything that comes along with that "new smell" only to repeat the same cycle over and over.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 25, 2008, 04:37:14 PM
Have you guys realized that what Spherics advocates is the same as the Molina-Marinez patent?   

And if you read what Molina said on this forum, you will see it doesn't work.   He could be lying to us of course, but others have tried it and it doesn't work.

Steven in the first video tells us in such unmistakable terms,  that his device get's the energy from the magnetic field which has an "inherent frequency and we basically tune into that" etc..   This is nothing more than a "radio receiver" with a magnetic loop antenna, and I've done a lot of research into this and the resistance of the antenna is too high compared to the radiation resistance, so he must of discovered something new, but I'm convinced it's very close to this.  Then he talks to us in the Mannix correspondence about frequencies that are related to the circumference,  and again, this fits in with an antenna,  that's when the loop antenna works great and some directionality occurs, so the phenomena he discovered probably started out with a radio like receiver, then he understood what was happening by summation of fields and designed better bigger units.

EM

Who said the loop was open? 

Edit:
SM likes the words "windings" and "rings".
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 25, 2008, 04:52:52 PM
   I'm forever reinventing the wheel.   ???
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 25, 2008, 04:58:46 PM
Quote
Who said the loop was open?

what do you mean?

sparks,  thanks for reinventing the wheel :)

@ all,

Here's what I think spherics is describing as the kicker coil.   

EM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on March 25, 2008, 05:19:43 PM
Many of you are just clinging to this like blind leaches because you lack the ability to develop your own theories and experiment to those ends, so you grab hold of anything that comes along with that "new smell" only to repeat the same cycle over and over.

Why are you here?  I have not seen you post one photo or data of anything you have built?

You clearly think that most people on this site are sheep.  Admittedly a lot people on this forum have no formal training in electronics (why are they interested in FE then?!?), many have classical experience and want to look outside that.

Many are capable of learning and using existing theory, but you cannot expect everyone to be able to generate new theory.

All you ever seem to do is put people down.  I assume you know this as you chose the name "Grumpy".

If this is what you think, why do you bother posting here?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 25, 2008, 05:42:43 PM
     @emdevices

            Nice pic.  I was wondering if we replace the reluctance iron wire coil with an aircoil with a weakly polarized magnet at one end.  This way the reluctance of the core will be effected by any magnetic field changes in the ambient and the timing become phased with this ambient magnetic field.  May be real tricky though getting just enough flux density so perhaps a wire with a little dc current so you can adjust the core flux.  Just a thought I had a couple of days ago trying to design a sensor for the ambient magnetic field change.  I just want a look at SM's pulsating magnetic field on an oscope.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 25, 2008, 06:48:29 PM
Quote
Who said the loop was open?

what do you mean?


I mean who ever said the collector is an "open loop"?  or that the control "wires" are open?

The collector could be a closed ring with wires attached at points where there is the greatest difference of potential.

Many of you are just clinging to this like blind leaches because you lack the ability to develop your own theories and experiment to those ends, so you grab hold of anything that comes along with that "new smell" only to repeat the same cycle over and over.

Why are you here?  I have not seen you post one photo or data of anything you have built?

You clearly think that most people on this site are sheep.  Admittedly a lot people on this forum have no formal training in electronics (why are they interested in FE then?!?), many have classical experience and want to look outside that.

Many are capable of learning and using existing theory, but you cannot expect everyone to be able to generate new theory.

All you ever seem to do is put people down.  I assume you know this as you chose the name "Grumpy".

If this is what you think, why do you bother posting here?

At the moment, I am here to see if "spherics" will pony-up or admit he hasn't built the device he describes.

I have posted a couple of photos but not many.  Most of my post have been links for various documents and articles to help fill in the many gaps in physics as a whole and not jsut electronics.  Why cloud the forum with things that don't work?  No need to see the same pictures of coils and circuits over and over, is there?  Scope shots are a dime a dozen unless you are trying to explain something.  I made several posts regarding "peristaltic induction" (like water through a hose) and ring resonators (never could get that damn thing tuned - but will try again) - no one else ever looked there for answers - most never even heard of them.  I've also made many post on other "not so well known" topics that have helped others get the creative juices flowing.

What have you posted, Dave?  Trick light bulbs and big coils.  You replication of the A-field stuff was good - kudos - you should explore that further.

Why must formal training in electronics be required for FE?  Haven't you seen the reports of cavitation pumps generating excess heat?  How dare I suggest a mechanical means to overunity - what blasphemy!  Compression and decompression - that's what occurs in a cavitation pump and everything else to various degrees.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on March 25, 2008, 06:55:28 PM
Grumpy,

What I meant by electronics, or classic training...  If you do not have classical training in any science field, how are you to notice something you find during experimentation as odd?  How to recognize the odd, if you do not know the norm as it were?

I do wonder why/how people with no formal training get in to FE?  If I had not studied electronics at college I would not have learnt about how electricity behaves and then started to wonder if it can behave in other ways and started experimenting.

Further to your mention of my A field tests, I have removed my website for now.  Looking back I realized what a load of crap my previous research was and what I have learned in the years since, and what I did not know back then!


D.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 25, 2008, 07:39:49 PM
Grumpy,

What I meant by electronics, or classic training...  If you do not have classical training in any science field, how are you to notice something you find during experimentation as odd?  How to recognize the odd, if you do not know the norm as it were?

I do wonder why/how people with no formal training get in to FE?  If I had not studied electronics at college I would not have learnt about how electricity behaves and then started to wonder if it can behave in other ways and started experimenting.

Further to your mention of my A field tests, I have removed my website for now.  Looking back I realized what a load of crap my previous research was and what I have learned in the years since, and what I did not know back then!

D.

Ed Leedskalnin had no classic training.

Walter Russell had no classic training.

Though we take different paths, we are all learning and growing.

If you like we can stop the bickering and discuss spherics posts.




Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 25, 2008, 07:57:24 PM
Very interesting. 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: acerzw on March 25, 2008, 08:55:13 PM
@all

While you may doubt it, I believe that Spherics has handed the TPU to you on a plate. I find it ironic that based on my assessment of the way technology is progressing outside of this forum, by the time it has been replicated here it will be old news. I have not posted much recently since, as I think you will learn, the utility of such action is becoming increasingly questionable.

Things are afoot in the real world and there are indicators that the suppression of free energy technology by those in the know is likely to cease very soon, partly because they live on the earth too and will suffer the same environmental fate as us if free energy does not become commonly available, and also because the genie while not completely out of the bottle, has indeed escaped and cannot be put back in. In fact it would not surprise me if disclosures of a nature similar to Spheric's do not become very common. I am not implying that Spherics is involved in such action, just that it is taking place.

Those with the capability to mass produce such devices by default already have the upper hand. Built it, and they will come or by it in K-Mart if that is easier (which it invariably is, unless you can get it on a shopping channel). Supply and demand. Also who is better placed to commercialise a technology than those who suppressed it in the first place.

Stealing a line from Sun-Tzu 'Every battle is won or lost before it is joined' and I hate to say it Gentlemen but this battle was lost before it was joined a long time ago (unfortunately for Tesla). However there was a previous battle joined prior to the one by which those who suppressed this technology believe they will win, and they will discover in 2012 when the final peaceful conclusion is reached that they lost it  approximately 75,000 years ago! Its a bitch being negatively orientated in a positively biased solar system. So if one chooses to take dualistic sides you could say that the side of Love and Freedom will conquer, anway!  ;)

A - In a holographic universe everything is smoke and mirrors!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: singerxyz on March 25, 2008, 09:12:17 PM
Nice @acerw! I agree. Could you elaborate on other places online to research these technologies?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 25, 2008, 09:41:06 PM
@acerw,

The "controllers" who are manipulating people and nations against one another are too arrogant to think about the Earth as their own source of life because they think they will always be safe. If they do let this technology out it would only be because they know the idiots that get manipulated can kill each other more cheeply and efficiently and hey presto, over-population solved! You are dealing with a mind who's mantra is "divide and rule".
If you always keep that in mind then you can protect yourself from their ploys.
We are constantly told that the oil is running out and the global warming crap. Don't believe either. How do you think people felt 10000 years ago when the ice really started to melt? I really don't know about 2012. If you ask me, we will still be here bickering about this damned coil.

Having said that, I would still like to build a working TPU!

AM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: acerzw on March 25, 2008, 09:45:48 PM
@singerxyz

Apologies, perhaps my meaning was not clear, the indicators to which I was referring were in relation to a change that there appears to be taking place in the policy towards disclosure of free energy to the general public. A particular indicator of this trend is a 'rumoured' recent closed session UN meeting where it was suggested to member nations that such a course of action would be expedient. It makes sense since if the technology which we all know has been suppressed is outed through official sources such as University R&D or other Government or Large Corporate funded institutions then it can more easily be controlled, even if it cannot be patented due to prior art.

Oh, and if you haven't seen this, take a look, its a bit off topic but shows how fast things are progressing in the open, I did not think a technology such as this would exist anytime soon, a great step (pun intended):

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=3203

A
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: acerzw on March 25, 2008, 09:58:24 PM
@AhuraMazda

Divide and Rule is not their strategy, history shows otherwise. 'They' have always survived by funding both sides of a War and living off the spoils to be made by that, and by charging to cleaning up afterwards. It also pays to manipulate the economies of the nations involved at the same time in order to maximise profits. If you control the division or more ideally engineered it in the first place, or enhanced it, then those who seek to Divide and Rule will also fall victim to your strategy. A simple rule is to control the whole arena, another thing Sun-Tzu taught, this comes from knowing your enemy and good intelligence, which 'They' obviously have.

'They' need others to work for them and the Earth is a suitable environment in which to control them, its total destruction would negate this possibility. Though speculation exists that 'They' may wish to pollute a large part of it or depopulate the majority of it to make this task easier. Though failing this, I think it is fair to assume that 'They' have the technology to move their operation to other sphere's, however they would still need people/sheeple/drones for a time at least until they can become fully self-sufficient on a personal level without the need to resort to others for anything. 2012 says otherwise even if any of this was partially realised before then.

It is in our very nature that while we can be manipulated we cannot be controlled, and if manipulation occurs there is always a larger context in which it can be seen to be a part of the cosmic dance in which Free Will is always preserved. So I do not fear. In my earlier post I said Love and Freedom will conquer, I think perhaps 'endure' would have been a better term.

I agree in 2012 the bickering about the coil will continue, though in all honesty come 2013 it really won't be important. To be clear I do not believe anything bad will happen, just that the context in which a free energy device will be viewed will make its existence somewhat irrelevant. After all, all energy is free in nature and since everything is made of natures energy, which will become abundantly clear then, the worth of free energy will be considered the same as a gold coin in a city made of gold.

I apologise for the off-topic interlude, normal programming now resumes... Coil Wars Part II - Reinventing of the Invention.

A
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: singerxyz on March 25, 2008, 10:58:19 PM
Well before we return to "Coil Wars"
The only thing I'd like to add @acerw is that we are all part of the collective, and if it is "inevitable" that free energy technologies are going to come out anyway, it is in because of the efforts of people like you and Grumpy and Spherics (and maybe even little folk like me :-)

...and the war was therefore won.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on March 25, 2008, 11:11:47 PM
I do not understand why people want to make things so complicated.
In this thread at
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4297.msg83397.html#msg83397

I gave the simple way to do things.  For precise timing, one does not use counters and state decoders, nor microcontrollers, nor DSP.

One uses a shift register where all stages are clocked synchronously.  Nothing else.

Simple, cheap, fast.
A 74HC164 will clock at 50 MHz or higher.  If you build the shift register from discrete NXP 74AHC74 dual F/Fs, it will clock to 170 MHz or higher.  I have seen SMD gates oscillate up to 400 MHz.

Use the KISS principle to go farther, faster.
A HC or AHC IC can directly trigger a bipolar transistor avalanche generator giving HV pulses with sub-nanosecond rise times.  Only a handful of standard components are necessary.  Impossible to build it any simpler or faster, or less expensive.

Tesla said use the highest voltage swing you can, and most importantly the fastest transition times.  Follow him or stay behind.

Earl

Circuitry :
Make a decoded digital count to 3 and reset counter w/CMOS or equl.
Phase the circuit dimensionaly too.

Looking at the picture, the duty cycle of coil A is about 31% (8/26). That means you could for example use a 74HC4017 with Q9 connected to MR so that it divides by 9. Then Q1, Q4 and Q7 provide pulses for coils X, Y and Z, and for coil A you use an OR gate like the 74HC4075 (or 3 diodes and a resistor) connected also to Q1, Q4 and Q7 to get about a 33% duty cycle. Then you could use a programmable clock generator module based on CY27EE16 or ICS307 or similar that is connected to a PC to generate exact frequencies, or use some other higher frequency oscillator .

At room temperature the HC4017 might be fast enough for a divide by 9, but these are relatively high frequencies, and the OR gate also introduces a slight delay/phase shift. Dividing by 3 would allow to generate a higher output frequency but it would require to form short pulses from long pulses.

Most flexible would probably be to have a microcontroller or DSP that has several programmable counters that are directly connected to output pins. That would allow to change the duty cycle and also to compensate for hardware tolerances and especially if its connected to a PC all parameters could be recorded and reproduced exactly and also of course control them dynamically.

Maxim even has an IC (DS1094L) that can generate 3 phases but it might not be flexible enough.

Thanks Earl,
I got the Linear DC726a-b proto generaqtor 1k - 68mhz. I was thinking of using 3. But then I decided to divide down so I solve the sync hassles.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 25, 2008, 11:27:15 PM

Earl I have the 164's and 74's and I might have some bipolar tranny's around, but there should be a way to do this without chips.  Tesla would often run his coils in series - don't know if he tuned them.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 25, 2008, 11:51:30 PM
      @acerzw

  Must be why all the tunnel digging going on and haarp arrrays on top.  Tesla's Wardenclyffe underground massive metal inductor resonating with his ionosphere maker secondary.  They might be doing the same thing but on a much grander scale.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 26, 2008, 12:03:50 AM
After further thought, contemplation, study and a healthy serving of Crow - I recant any and all derogatory comments, slanderous words, and challenges - and issue my humble apology to "spherics".

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Chad on March 26, 2008, 12:23:55 AM
The info on irons NMR is below, "Bolt" kindly posted it on page two of this thread.

has symbol 57Fe   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has natural abundance 2.2   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has NMR frequency 3.231 MHz where 1H = 100 MHz; 2.3488 T   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has magnetogyric ratio 0.8661 ? 107 rad T-1 s-1   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has NMR receptivity 4.2 ? 10-3 where 13C = 1.00   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has relative NMR sensitivity 3.37 ? 10-5 where 1H = 1.00   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has nuclear magnetic moment μ = +0.09062294 nuclear magnetons with diamagnetic correction   has source: Fuller, G.H. 1976, Journal of Physical Chemistry Reference Data 5 835 'Nuclear Spins and Moments', 2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has nuclear spin I = 1/2- h/2Ï€   has source: Fuller, G.H. 1976, Journal of Physical Chemistry Reference Data 5 835 'Nuclear Spins and Moments', 2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has number of nucleons 57   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has number of neutrons 31   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has atomic mass 56.935395   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has uses isotopically enriched samples available for experimental purposes   2001-09-27 09:29:04.0
has uses Nuclear Magnetic Resonance


Chad.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on March 26, 2008, 01:06:33 AM
The frequency should be a harmonic of the NMR of iron.

Which one, I wonder.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 26, 2008, 01:09:59 AM
     I don't see where the kick comes from unless one of the bifilar wires electrons  is riding one aetheric wave and the other conductors electrons  another wave.  And when spherics said the oscope was connected to both coils
I would assume the kick potential develops between the two conductors. This looks like a phase potential generated electrical signal to me.
    The insuing magnetic field would move it's magnetic flux density from undelayed signal wire to delayed signal wire fields.  So now we have a phase shifted magnetic field at high speed within the confines of the bifilar winding core.
What's next?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on March 26, 2008, 01:21:05 AM
Quote
Who said the loop was open?

what do you mean?


I mean who ever said the collector is an "open loop"?  or that the control "wires" are open?

The collector could be a closed ring with wires attached at points where there is the greatest difference of potential.

Many of you are just clinging to this like blind leaches because you lack the ability to develop your own theories and experiment to those ends, so you grab hold of anything that comes along with that "new smell" only to repeat the same cycle over and over.

Why are you here?  I have not seen you post one photo or data of anything you have built?

You clearly think that most people on this site are sheep.  Admittedly a lot people on this forum have no formal training in electronics (why are they interested in FE then?!?), many have classical experience and want to look outside that.

Many are capable of learning and using existing theory, but you cannot expect everyone to be able to generate new theory.

All you ever seem to do is put people down.  I assume you know this as you chose the name "Grumpy".

If this is what you think, why do you bother posting here?

At the moment, I am here to see if "spherics" will pony-up or admit he hasn't built the device he describes.

I have posted a couple of photos but not many.  Most of my post have been links for various documents and articles to help fill in the many gaps in physics as a whole and not jsut electronics.  Why cloud the forum with things that don't work?  No need to see the same pictures of coils and circuits over and over, is there?  Scope shots are a dime a dozen unless you are trying to explain something.  I made several posts regarding "peristaltic induction" (like water through a hose) and ring resonators (never could get that damn thing tuned - but will try again) - no one else ever looked there for answers - most never even heard of them.  I've also made many post on other "not so well known" topics that have helped others get the creative juices flowing.

What have you posted, Dave?  Trick light bulbs and big coils.  You replication of the A-field stuff was good - kudos - you should explore that further.

Why must formal training in electronics be required for FE?  Haven't you seen the reports of cavitation pumps generating excess heat?  How dare I suggest a mechanical means to overunity - what blasphemy!  Compression and decompression - that's what occurs in a cavitation pump and everything else to various degrees.



At the end of one of sms vids he shows an SM17 horseshoe. Open ended. I saw it once and can't find it again.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on March 26, 2008, 01:34:20 AM
@spherics,

I am unsure if your rendering was meant to be as proportional as much as it was conceptual.  Hoping so, I have placed some circles along edges nearly parallel with the viewing plane in order to get my arms around the overall proportionality of the coil assembly.

Please feel free to correct all of my false assumptions listed at the bottom of the image below.

EDIT: Image removed.  My initial assumption was not correct.

The tetrahedral diagram was to show the orientation of the coils to help clarify my description.
What is important is the 4 coils are identical both physically and electrically and
are oriented at the exact angle as per the tetrahedral diagram and
are placed equidistant from the center.
Tao diagrams are spot on and show how for a given size of coil where you can place the toroid pick up.

@spherics,

Thank you for getting back to me on this one.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on March 26, 2008, 01:42:18 AM
And when spherics said the oscope was connected to both coils ...

I think this is a typo.  I think it should read, "oscillator."  It fits the context much better:

An oscill[ator] was connected to both COPPER coils...

EDIT: Carry on.  :-[
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 26, 2008, 02:01:21 AM
@ Rosphere

  I think the oscilliscope was looking for voltage potential between the two bifilar copper conductors.  He was describing SM's tuning technique.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Phantom on March 26, 2008, 02:18:57 AM
Just my 2 cents - I hope the builders noticed the patent on saturable inductive switching.

Takes care of risetime as well as upping voltage, making FET drive easier (For you EE's).

Phase delay per coil if Double feeding bifiler may need to float around a little during freq. adj.

A little note:  As a real old-school hacker, the new theories are more along real world results that I have seen.  I never post unless I have results, but I had to mention that little patent.  Nice to see that all the required info will soon be avail.  If this setup actually functions well, I will post actual results, but as one of the "shady, want to stay out of public knowledge, flaky, weirdo" type people, it took me a month to just be sure I could post without worry.  If I ever get GOOD data to post, I will.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on March 26, 2008, 02:40:06 AM
@ Rosphere

  I think the oscilliscope was looking for voltage potential between the two bifilar copper conductors.  He was describing SM's tuning technique.

@sparks,

Perhaps.  I have already attempted replications of the SM design.  At this point I could care less if it actually read, "An orangutan was connected to both COPPER coils."   :D

I am just going to go ahead and correct my prior post so as not to further confuse.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on March 26, 2008, 03:46:08 AM
Hmm,

Since no one has commented on it, I presume that either all are overlooking the fact that sperics' design calls for coils in an orientation contrary to what is shown in the videos and described in SM's notes, OR I'm dumb, and everyone else has already figured out how to make spherics' coils fit in SM's ring?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: buzz-ard on March 26, 2008, 04:08:06 AM
@poynt99 - Yes, I noticed that too, but was afraid to say anything for fear of being flamed. The TPU forums have become rather hostile of late.

@spherics - I recall reading a paper several years ago that suggested such an arrangement to provide containment of an artificial singularity in a vacuum. The trick would balancing the field densities against the natural gain of the singularity to maintain containment integrity, hence only theoretical at this time. I believe this same paper suggested it as a possible anti-gravity solution, or more precisely, a zero-inertia region. Do you see related potentials in your design?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on March 26, 2008, 04:21:39 AM
Hi buzz-ard.

Thanks for speaking up.

You haven't lived until you've been flamed on one of these forums. Everyone gets it at least once.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 26, 2008, 04:54:33 AM
Let's all put on our Nomex shorts...




Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: tao on March 26, 2008, 05:42:25 AM
Hmm,

Since no one has commented on it, I presume that either all are overlooking the fact that sperics' design calls for coils in an orientation contrary to what is shown in the videos and described in SM's notes, OR I'm dumb, and everyone else has already figured out how to make spherics' coils fit in SM's ring?


Perhaps you missed what spherics was trying to get across.

He stated that SM's coil config, along with Bob, Marinov, etc. Their coil orientations are inefficient, and since all the devices are tapping this same energy source, why not tap this energy source as efficiently as possible. That is what spherics's setup is, a much more efficiently designed system, and that is why the coils are oriented differently...

Just look at these quotes from spherics's first post:

"Now I'm telling you the practical theory on how to use the ether. Steven Mark never did understand exactly why things worked. His coils are not optimum but never-the-less indirectly generate what my four coils will achieve."
and
"Now those of you on the ball will no doubt see why Bob Boyce, Marinov, GiantKiller et al. have had extraordinary results. In these designs the coils are pointing horizontal and not angled upwards, and the top vertical coil is created by wrapping around all of the three coils. As the vertical coil is not identical to the other 3 this creates problems which is why DC they feed into this coil; and the other coils need to be fed with high energy pulses. It is not optimum and neither are their results."
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on March 26, 2008, 01:22:55 PM
If spherics' design is an improvement on SM's, then great. That can be step 2.

I for one would like to relate what he is saying back to SM's original design so I can understand it better.

It should be straight-forward to explain the SM version design if spherics' design is an improvement (this assumes that one has an understanding of the original prior to making any improvements).

So although I appreciate any improvements to the design, I think it is wise to first replicate the original (as Bedini and others have reiterated a thousand times in the past).

All I asked was for spherics to please relate his ideas to the SM TPU configuration. This will not only help us understand the basics, but also help to illustrate why his idea is an improvement over the 'old'.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: nickle989 on March 26, 2008, 01:38:29 PM
@Group ....

I have not tried spherics design but I did use the pulsing method and rotating fields and you will blow your unit up.  I used a microcontroller to achieve the frequencies needed and to put them into the harmonics on my WFC ... I did what Bob Boyce said would be dangerous which is what Spheric is also saying will happen.  I do not know what the final voltage was but I can tell you that my 6" torid core shattered from the voltage cascade ... I adjust the the frequencies from a distance and glad I did.  What I am now trying to accomplish is to be able to control the event.  The input voltage was 12 volts and then stepped up to 144 volts.

Another problem in the tuning is the earth's frequency and outside frequency .. you will need to adjust around this or at least by aware of it as it will cause units to work and to fail.

I will see if I can find some pics of what happened .. although I do not believe have any left as my media drive crashed at Christmas time.

out for now
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 26, 2008, 02:14:05 PM
well said poynt99
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It should be straight-forward to explain the SM version design if spherics' design is an improvement (this assumes that one has an understanding of the original prior to making any improvements).

even Jack said that nobody else knew how it worked except SM,  so this spheriecs guy  claims he is not SM, so therfore he does not know,  and it's painfully obvious he's theorizing.  He doesn't even have the toroid placed correctly to intercept the rotating energy which is claimed to be the answer  (and a toroid would not even work in this configuration)

However, what's interesting, he sounds like he is claiming to know SM and what he discovered,  which makes me wonder if this is perhaps another guy that worked with SM in the early days and knows how SM got his inspiration in the first place (he did mention the "kick"  which even SM said was how he got started.)

if everybody would just be upfront and just say who they are and what they know, then we can descipher what's important and what's 2nd hand opinion, but people for some reason want to play games and sound important when they're not.   If he is SM and doesn't want people to know it, just say you know the inventer "very well" and this is how it works, period, but beating around the bush and posting nonsensical diagrams will not help in the end.

EM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 26, 2008, 02:27:04 PM
    @grumpy

The kick pulse or voltage between the two bifilars is just the indicator used to tune the timing on the bifilar circuit as a whole not an operational dynamic just an indicator that you've got the bifilar timing right.    Timed relavent to what would be my next question of spherics.
     GK in one of his vids shows what appears to be a kick pulse.  I'm not sure what part of the circuit he was monitoring at the time,  but you see a bunch of small pulse peaks at regular intervals and then he picksup a pulse that is clear off the oscope screen.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 26, 2008, 03:24:52 PM
@grumpy,   let's hope it's not a game, and the motivation is sincere.


@ all

I read the patent spherics presented in more detail.   It is a pulse shaping circuit based on LC filter stages, where the inductors are actualy meant to saturate, and go into the nonlinear region, quite easily.  This has the effect of narrowing down the pulse in time (I'm not sure about the magnitude at this point)

Here's a diagram of how this is used in a circuit and the waveform after sucessive stages of filtration.

So what's the use?   Well, if you don't have fast enough switching capability, you can use this technique to narow the pulse down and increase the rise time.  Notice the period stays the same.  If you do want to understand this from a signal theory point of view,  in the nonlinear region the inductor introduces harmonics of the base frequency, which when added up progressively forms the typical INPULSE train, which has a Fourier series described by a bunch of harmonics.    In this patent they need these pulses for lasers, but if SM did use this principle, it was perhaps for other reasons.

EM

P.S.  Note that the signal progresses from waveform "A" down to "D" in the figure. It has gone through 3 stages of "filtration" composed of this saturable inductor stages, (figure 1 only shows two stages)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: spherics on March 26, 2008, 03:49:49 PM

Above goes to diagram.

Yes, this is what I described. Thanks for the diagram.

This diagram shows you what is needed to get a kick, and view a kick on an oscilloscope.

No iron as a core. Wind on a stiff poly pipe. Use copper wire for the windings.
Keep the delay coil 2+ feet away from the bifilar coil.
Keep the bifilar as far away as possible from your oscilloscope and permanent magnets.
Pulse with a square wave.
Tune as per previous post.

Someone mentioned about connecting the oscilloscope.
Use two channels and connect two probes, one probe to each coil.
Not one probe across the two coils.

@rosphere

The tetrahedral diagram was to show the orientation of the coils to help clarify my description.
What is important is the 4 coils are identical both physically and electrically and
are oriented at the exact angle as per the tetrahedral diagram and
are placed equidistant from the center.
Tao diagrams are spot on and show how for a given size of coil where you can place the toroid pick up.
Again no iron in any of the cores. (or nickel or aluminium contact wires)
No metal for supports.

@whoever said this

Someone mentioned the Alberto Molina-Martinez device as being the same. It would appear at a casual glancing at the patent to be chock full to the brim with iron/steel and other magnetic materials which I have said ad nausium is a no-no. Also the 3 phase pickup coils use the same coil structure and location as the 3 phase generating coils. As soon as the pickup coils are induced they will reflect a pattern in the ether back on the generating coils and any advantage will be lost. There are also no pulses timed to cause an overlap of ether waves in the proximity of the pickup coil nor is there any directional biasing.

@commentor on toroid pickup
You need to wrap your head around some of concepts espoused by Harold Aspden before commenting on whether the toroid is correctly placed or of the correct structure. The ether keeps spinning for a considerable amount of time after the pulses are stopped. If you would care to consider the angle in 3D where the magnetic fields would oppose you would observe that it forms at an angle. Transposed into a rotation this forms a funnel of compression. With a little bit more thought you may even consider the placement of the magnetic void and again see that this void would transpose on rotation to form a toroid void. The persistence of the ether waves long after the magnetic field allows discrete time separated pulses to merge in their affect on the ether. This void combined with the rotating pulses cause the ether to spiral. The spiraling ether interacts with the metal of the copper toroid along with the vertical direction pulse from the top coil. This cause the ether to not only spiral round in a circle as viewed from above but also to corkscrew along the path of the toroid windings. The corkscrewing path of the ether around the toroid is now in line with the windings. This creates a longitudinal wave along the copper creating a large current effect in the toroid windings. Which is what is needed. Given that the toroid is now generating a magnetic field, outside of the toroid even though you don't have a magnetic field you stil have ether waves. You'll note the 3 generating coils are symmetrically and equally affected by these ether waves such that the rotation does not become lop-sided. You'll also note the top coil above the toroid is affected equally on all sides ensuring that the pulse from the top coil that reaches each of the three coils is identical in everycase even after interacting with the etherwaves from the toroid.


Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: ramset on March 26, 2008, 03:56:44 PM
SPHERICS thanx for the post I am but a  Minion here  those in the know will love this thanx again Chet
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 26, 2008, 04:02:08 PM
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You need to wrap your head around some of concepts espoused by Harold Aspden before commenting on whether the toroid is correctly placed or of the correct structure. The ether keeps spinning for a considerable amount of time after the pulses are stopped. If you would care to consider the angle in 3D where the magnetic fields would oppose you would observe that it forms at an angle. Transposed into a rotation this forms a funnel of compression. With a little bit more thought you may even consider the placement of the magnetic void and again see that this void would transpose on rotation to form a toroid void. The persistence of the ether waves long after the magnetic field allows discrete time separated pulses to merge in their affect on the ether. This void combined with the rotating pulses cause the ether to spiral. The spiraling ether interacts with the metal of the copper toroid along with the vertical direction pulse from the top coil. This cause the ether to not only spiral round in a circle as viewed from above but also to corkscrew along the path of the toroid windings. The corkscrewing path of the ether around the toroid is now in line with the windings. This creates a longitudinal wave along the copper creating a large current effect in the toroid windings. Which is what is needed. Given that the toroid is now generating a magnetic field, outside of the toroid even though you don't have a magnetic field you stil have ether waves. You'll note the 3 generating coils are symmetrically and equally affected by these ether waves such that the rotation does not become lop-sided. You'll also note the top coil above the toroid is affected equally on all sides ensuring that the pulse from the top coil that reaches each of the three coils is identical in everycase even after interacting with the etherwaves from the toroid.

Ok Spherics,  I will draw up a diagram and show you what I believe.   I do understand how toroidal windings work and that you don't need a B-field, it's the A-field that realy induces the current.


stay tuned... [edit:  I commented below in the next posting]

EM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 26, 2008, 04:05:00 PM
scorch?

Harold Aspden?  Can we add a little Wilbert Smith in with that?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 26, 2008, 04:14:26 PM
Ok Spherics,  I will draw up a diagram and show you what I believe.   I do understand how toroidal windings work and that you don't need a B-field, it's the A-field that realy induces the current.

stay tuned...

EM

If you have a B-field, then you have an A-field and that other one with the wierd Greek symbol - the static one.

Anyway, no sense clouding the issue with the alphabet of fields.

"Tempic field" is a good name.  COMP is more descriptive though.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 26, 2008, 04:32:29 PM
Works of Dr. Harold Aspden:

http://www.energyscience.org.uk/
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spoodily on March 26, 2008, 04:34:39 PM
Judging by what I've read from the OP's links and pictures I see a few things that I have seen in some variation before.

First, but not the focus of this post, is the hexagonal lattice stuff.  It reminds me of Metatron's Cube and its relationship to cymatics.  Keep in mind that cymatics deals with all waves (electromagnetic ones, too), sound is just an easy medium to experiment with because you can see its results using sand and a metal plate.  There are carvings in the Rossalyn Chapel that depict such vibrational patterns.  There are 13 carvings in total, a number in common with Metatron's Cube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy2Dg-ncWoY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy2Dg-ncWoY)

This version of the cube leaves spaces in between the circles/spheres on the outer edge, this picture has 13 circles total.  If the rim was complete, it alone would contain 12 individual circles, 13 if you count the start and end as individual.  If the outer circles were there you would see 6 triangles with a shared edge and all with a common center.  From the center they each would be in a 1-2-3 configuration.  If we multiply each number by 3 we get 3-6-9.  Familiar?
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"If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6, and 9,
then you would have a key to the universe." - Nicola Tesla
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Metatrons_cube.svg/200px-Metatrons_cube.svg.png)

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The Fruit of Life (a component of the Flower of Life) has thirteen circles. If each circle's center is considered a "node", and each node is connected to each other node with a single line, a total of seventy-eight lines are created. Within this cube, many other shapes can be found, including two-dimensionally flattened versions of the five Platonic solids. The true Metatron's Cube will include all five Platonic solids in such a way that the solids, existing in volumetric 3D space, have had their z-coordinates set to zero but their x- and y-coordinates retained, such that they are orthogonally flattened.

In early kabbalist scriptures, Metatron supposedly forms the cube from his soul. This cube can later be seen in Christian art, where it appears on his chest or floating behind him. Metatron's cube is also considered a holy glyph, and was often drawn around an object or person to ward off demons and satanic powers. This idea is also present in alchemy, in which the cube was favoured as a containment circle or creation circle.

The simplest means of constructing Metatron's Cube is to begin with a cube flattened along a space diagonal, such that it becomes a 2D figure, equivalent to a regular hexagon divided via its own diagonals into six equilateral triangles. The vertices of this 2D figure are then connected with additional lines. Several steps later, the full Metatron's Cube figure is formed. This method requires dividing vertices according to the golden ratio. There is also a method of construction from the Flower of Life. The cube resembles the fourth dimensional analog of the cube, or the Tesseract.
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Cymatics is the study of wave phenomena. It is typically associated with the physical patterns produced through the interaction of sound waves in a medium.

A simple experiment demonstrating the visualisation of cymatics can be done by sprinkling sand on a metal plate and vibrating the plate, for example by drawing a violin bow along the edge, the sand will then form itself into standing wave patterns such as simple concentric circles. The higher the frequency, the more complex the shapes produced, with certain shapes having similarities to traditional mandala designs.

Next up is the unique design shape in the new setup.  This immediately reminded me of another device I have seen.

This is an experiment by Chris Hardeman.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/gravshld.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/gravshld.htm)- This is the creator's site.
http://rakudragon.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!9217E98F7966F901!532.entry (http://rakudragon.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!9217E98F7966F901!532.entry)- This is a 'fan' site with info compiled in one place.
(http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/christst.jpg)

This was Hardeman's inspiration:
(http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/barbury91.jpg)
(http://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1pc9IE-zKhqZt1RfsdJPTAD4rCBj75BJa6bxz_SP7ms-o-2ASl7Kh9y78GxpULrk-ltdShw_093os)
(http://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1pc9IE-zKhqZskmN40dmxOow4CvmxUpIT-s1cBOxGbW89rGuSe_rLE40ZIhc6bvpRbVD7sZGpgCeg)

Still with me? :)  I feel that I came to a place where thinkers and people with open minds come to share information about creating the 'impossible'.  I hope I can be open with you and you'll hear me without an attachment to 'beliefs'.  This is about the science and not about the ideology.
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"The problem with ideology is, if you've got an ideology, you've already got your mind made up. You know all the answers and that makes evidence irrelevant and arguments a waste of time. You tend to govern by assertion and attacks."
-Bill Clinton former president of the USA, 18th Oct 2006 , at an event sponsored by the Center for American Progress.

These are two videos that can also be found on the 'fan' site.  They come from http://www.cropcircleship.com (http://www.cropcircleship.com).  They have recently opened a wiki format of their information.  http://www.cropcircleship.com/wiki/Main_Page (http://www.cropcircleship.com/wiki/Main_Page)

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5754670943097613356 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5754670943097613356)- An Introduction to the Crop Circle Ship
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-433288732754891412 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-433288732754891412)- Into the Watersphere

None of their information is set in stone, it's a work in progress.  This is why I feel it is relevant information and up for re-interpretation.  It's not really important who put the formations and patterns on the ground, but it is not coincidence that a large portion have a common theme to them.  This is what the videos are pointing out, some are possibly blueprints that can be used to build something.  They have done a lot of legwork in finding similarities and matching 'parts' between different formations.  If you approach their research with a fresh pair of eyes something might 'click' for you.  Their information is a suggestion, look at it in an unbiased fashion.

Now I mentioned that I did not care who put this 'information' on the ground as long as the 'information' is coherent and relates to other formations that also contain similar 'information'.  The reason I don't care who put it there is that it doesn't matter and I'll tell you why.  In fall of 2002 I saw a craft that is best known as a UFO or an OVNI depending on where you're from.  I saw the entire profile of the vehicle while standing in some guy's front yard as I was delivering pizzas.  It hovered stationary in the sky for about 3-4 seconds from when I first noticed it and then darted off to the right and was gone.  It had what looked to be 'windows' down the side with red light on inside the vehicle.  When it departed, there was streak of red light hanging in the sky (from the 'windows').  Now, we could debate on whether little green men were on board or whether it was a man made top secret vehicle but it doesn't matter.  What matters is that the 'impossible' is real and it didn't look to be 'out of this world' high-tech.  There was no sound during its hover or rapid acceleration, no sonic booms, no wind, no anything.

All I really care to know is how it was powered.  Is there a way to be pulling so much energy that there aren't enough places to put it so the best place to deposit this excess of energy is into electro-magnetic repulsion/attraction?  The reason I say this is the way in which the craft departed from a complete standstill, leaving a streak of light and emitting or creating no sound.  It looked like it pulled the place it wanted to go to itself rather than propelling itself there, like it was a rock loading itself into a slingshot, the rubber band being physical space/time.

You guys are not by any means wasting your time working on this over-unity project.  There will always be doubters, skeptics and people who don't believe the possibility of what you know to be worthwhile and real.  They are armchair quarterbacks that come from the "Show Me" state, providing little more than negative opinions derived from their personal ideology.

I'll leave you with a quote, I think it applies here.
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"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." - Samuel L. Clemens, aka Mark Twain

Regards and good luck,
Spoodily
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Feynman on March 26, 2008, 05:25:45 PM
AMAZING work here guys


@Spoodily

I definitely think you are onto something .


@EM


I also think in terms of E field, A potential.  Thank you for your excellent patent analysis.


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Every Warrior of the Light has felt afraid of going into battle.

Every Warrior of the Light has, at some time in the past, lied or betrayed someone.

Every Warrior of the Light has trodden a path that was not his.

Every Warrior of the Light has suffered for the most trivial of reasons. Every Warrior of the Light has, at least once, believed he was not a Warrior of the Light.

Every Warrior of the Light has failed in his spiritual duties.

Every Warrior of the Light has said 'yes' when he wanted to say 'no.'

Every Warrior of the Light has hurt someone he loved.

That is why he is a Warrior of the Light, because he has been through all this and yet has never lost hope of being better than he is.
-Paulo Coelho


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"The moment that he begins to walk along it, the warrior of the light recognizes the path."
-Paulo Coelho
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Laserrod on March 26, 2008, 05:28:16 PM

Earl I have the 164's and 74's and I might have some bipolar tranny's around, but there should be a way to do this without chips.  Tesla would often run his coils in series - don't know if he tuned them.



Grumpy,
 that took guts and I respect that you have done your hardware homework and feel frustrations.

Please try to refrain from negative comments and keep them brief when you have valid information.
We all should not give up!
Thanks
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Laserrod on March 26, 2008, 05:31:45 PM
After further thought, contemplation, study and a healthy serving of Crow - I recant any and all derogatory comments, slanderous words, and challenges - and issue my humble apology to "spherics".



Darn!
This is what I atempted to quote in my last post.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on March 26, 2008, 05:32:12 PM
The corkscrewing path of the ether around the toroid is now in line with the windings.

@spherics,

So, the direction of the toroid windings is critical.

What about the pitch; how close does the winding angle, (based on winding pitch,) need to be in relation to the angle of the corkscrew?

Is the winding pitch just an efficiency issue; in that, as long as the winding direction is correct, changes in pitch will only change the efficiency of the energy collected?

Also, Tao's images show a toroid with a round profile.  Your tetrahedron image shows a toroid with a square profile.  I am aware that your image was conceptual, based on my misguided effort to measure it for build proportions, and that you agree with Tao's images.  However, which toroidal profile is more efficient, round or square?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: buzz-ard on March 26, 2008, 05:41:07 PM
@poynt99 & @EMdevices: I wholeheartedly agree - let's replicate SM's "flawed" device, then we can all figure out how to fix it.

@nickle989: You managed to blow up your TPU replica? That's fantastic! I (and the group) would be very interested in knowing the details of your setup. Failures are at least as important as successes when exploring new technology like this. Please post as many details as you have regarding components, winding, pulse frequencies/duration, etc. It would provide a huge shortcut to achieve a design we can all replicate then begin debugging.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: tak22 on March 26, 2008, 05:42:02 PM
Does anyone recognize the snippet below? I found it at the top of a page I cut/pasted and printed from a Hendershot article last week, I'm interested in finding the full article in context. Thanks.

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There is a problem with an over simplistic suggestion though and that is someone by now would have stumbled on the same effects for a tpu IF it was a case of a coil and cap. There appears merit to me in the Nuclear Resonance suggested by Spherics. This will prevent accidentally stumbling on the right coil cap combination. Anyway to resume the Hendershot concept .............

tak
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 26, 2008, 06:19:04 PM
Ok Spherics, let me comment on your comments:

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You need to wrap your head around some of concepts espoused by Harold Aspden before commenting on whether the toroid is correctly placed or of the correct structure.


If it's Harold Aspden that you're relying on he's probably wrong as well (when it comes to this configuration of how the TPU is placed)

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The ether keeps spinning for a considerable amount of time after the pulses are stopped.


It is not the "ether" that spins, which would imply that empty space can do that.  What is observed as spinning after a sharp pulse, is the gyration of the atomic nuclei.   They make magnetometers based on this principle and usualy fill them with a liquid (like alcohol, water works as well)

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If you would care to consider the angle in 3D where the magnetic fields would oppose you would observe that it forms at an angle. Transposed into a rotation this forms a funnel of compression.


That's correct see the drawing below.

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With a little bit more thought you may even consider the placement of the magnetic void and again see that this void would transpose on rotation to form a toroid void.


That's correct, and...?

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The persistence of the ether waves long after the magnetic field, allows discrete time separated pulses to merge in their affect on the ether. This void combined with the rotating pulses cause the ether to spiral.

why do you think it spirals and not simply rotates?

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The spiraling ether interacts with the metal of the copper toroid along with the vertical direction pulse from the top coil. This causes the ether to not only spiral round in a circle as viewed from above but also to corkscrew along the path of the toroid windings.

I don't buy it !  Corkscrew along the path of the toroid windings?    yeaahhh.....

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The corkscrewing path of the ether around the toroid is now in line with the windings. This creates a longitudinal wave along the copper creating a large current effect in the toroid windings. Which is what is needed.


A lot of hand waving and assumptions to get your vectors to line up "IN LINE WITH THE WINDINGS".   Do a bit more thinking next time, magnetics don't behave like you imagine.  Draw a figure and show the vectors and how they transform if you believe in it so strongly.

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Given that the toroid is now generating a magnetic field, outside of the toroid even though you don't have a magnetic field you stil have ether waves. You'll note the 3 generating coils are symmetrically and equally affected by these ether waves such that the rotation does not become lop-sided. You'll also note the top coil above the toroid is affected equally on all sides ensuring that the pulse from the top coil that reaches each of the three coils is identical in everycase even after interacting with the etherwaves from the toroid. 


yes it's true, there's plenty of symetery here, so why don't you draw your eather waves so we can see how you image them.  Also, if they're "waves"  how about thinking about propagation delays, and the resulting phase shifts?  Your theory is too superficial, not cooked enough.

Conclusion:

Based on sphereics explantions, this is a concept of a free energy machine that has not been tested yet.
As such, there is nothing wrong with posting concepts, but implying they work is misleading. 

Judging by his description, his theory is flawed.  However,  spherics is just introducing us to this concept and belives it's related to SM and others just because of the nature of his theory.  It appears to be a fundamental theory of eather and waves and angles, so he assumes all overunity devices (including SM's) should work this way.  He posted in this thread since lots of people hang out here.

There's some merit to some of the things he said, like the spin after the pulse , which is known to be the atomic gyration due to the magnetic moments trying to realign with the bias (static) field and precessing around it, and depending on the frequency observed the magnitude of the static field can be calculated (see magnetometers)   Also, I do like the patent posted with the pulse shaping circuit, but that's as far as it goes for me.   This is by far not,   COMPLETE INFORMATION ON WORKING SM STYLE DEVICE.

EM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 26, 2008, 06:57:14 PM
It has to spiral and corkscrew - period.

Corkscrew along the path of the toroidal windings - not inside them - not around the toroidal core like the wores are - fold it again.  This corkscrewing ether has the path of a higher order supertoroid.  I say "higher" - I think it would be a third-order one - which would put the inductive potential (so to speak) in the core and create a current in the wire.  Whoa!

Stick that in your pipe, Mr. A-Field! LOL!

No comments unless you are familiar with supertoroids.  (Yes, the supertoroid structure has another name but I forget what it is at the moment.)

More than enough info here, EM, more than enough.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 26, 2008, 06:57:37 PM
    Each of the conductors in the bifialr wound coils are responding to the aetheric waves in the same intensity but at a different time.  The tuning procedure description is the most valuable information offered by Spherics.  The bifilar parallel circuit is reluctance tuned so that the greatest voltage between the two circuits manifests. This voltage corresponds to the phase displacement of the aetheric waves NOT THEIR FREQUENCY.  Their frequency could be lightyears long but they are time displaced so we can pick them up by responding to the phase displacement of multiple waves. Working on the ripple nothing to do with the entire wavevolume.

    @emdevices

    I believe this is how to hookup the oscope.   I would also hazard a guess that we don't want the other bifilar wire near the timing coil.   Another thought instead of trimming the coil would it not be easier just to put a conductor inside that is carrying a little dc current to alter the permeability of the coil instead of trimming it.  Trimming it could ger real tedious.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 26, 2008, 07:05:53 PM
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Stick that in your pipe, Mr. A-Field! LOL!

LOL  :D  :D

Ok guys,  I made my case.  Don't say I didn't warn you.   Every project you undertake with a certain enthusiasm will only kill that in you, when it fails, or you don't get what you expected from the "theory". 

Am I saying not to experiment with any of the concepts presented by spheriecs?  NO, not at all.    Experimentation is good and a perfect way to learn, but realize what it is and what your doing.

My frustration is with the misleading nature of presenting this info.   Just state if you have a theory, if you've built it, and if it works, or if you've heard others built it and it worked, state the results clearly, document,  etc... etc...   Then I can do my own thinking, if I have the facts straight.

EM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Feynman on March 26, 2008, 07:15:41 PM
@EM

I agree with you 95% of the time, but there are a few things here I think are important to note...

Although people say "ether" they probably do not mean the 18th century 'material ether'.   It's probably closer in terms to "magnetic ether", "vacuum ether" , "wave ether", etc.  That is, it operates with or without the presence of mass.   Unfortunately we have a language problem because we are dealing with many theories and many phenomenon.

I also think the thread was mislabeled.   But I think the information from spherics is useful.   I agree I would prefer if it was backed up with vector geometry and mathematics rather than assumptions.   I also think it's possible that these other theories may actually refer to the same underlying transformations.




Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 26, 2008, 07:17:25 PM

I would be pleased if you accepted to be my public and/or private mentor in my pursuit of knowledge.

Respectfully, Earl

I now humbly make this same request.

-------------------------------------------------------

@EM and everyone else in denial: you do not yet see.

(I'm sure there is a cool Latin phrase for that).
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: mudwump on March 26, 2008, 07:25:37 PM
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Stick that in your pipe, Mr. A-Field! LOL!

LOL  :D  :D

Ok guys,  I made my case.  Don't say I didn't warn you.   Every project you undertake with a certain enthusiasm will only kill that in you, when it fails, or you don't get what you expected from the "theory". 

Am I saying not to experiment with any of the concepts presented by spheriecs?  NO, not at all.    Experimentation is good and a perfect way to learn, but realize what it is and what your doing.

My frustration is with the misleading nature of presenting this info.   Just state if you have a theory, if you've built it, and if it works, or if you've heard others built it and it worked, etc... etc...   I can do my own thinking then if I have the facts straight.

EM

I've been lurking in this group for a bit and I just had come forward because I had such a good laugh, so I thought I would share it. I am surprised no one called bunk on spherics' claim on the implosion device in his first post in this group. That just happens to have been my field in a past life. Oh my goodness, that was a really fun read. If countries could do the same trick without heavy metals, then Iran would already be there. I see he (or someone) has removed the information on the implosion device now, as it should be, because it easily discredited the rest of his theory. I am in total agreement with EMdevices.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 26, 2008, 07:31:10 PM



Welcome mudwump, thanks for coming out :)

Grumpy, I will believe the light emanating from your lit light bulbs, until then I guess I don't "see" it.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on March 26, 2008, 07:31:23 PM
I find the information presented very interesting.  But I could not help but laugh at the idea that you can make a nuclear weapon with some coils, with no explosives and no fissionable material!

Why is that people who come forward with ideas/plans for something, it always comes with some really crazy side about MIB, UFOs, or something else!


D.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: acerzw on March 26, 2008, 07:36:19 PM
@all

There is too much conventional thinking going on, if conventional thinking worked we would all be using free energy devices now. Anyone (me included) can come up with a 100 theories, but unless we have a mind like Tesla (and I do not) then I cannot build working machines in my head, so the only way to verify anything is to build it. A 100 machines may be built on false ideas, but it only takes one to work! Conventional theory is flawed so much I would not trust any idea without proving it myself first. Build no matter how crazy something seems and oneday you will hit the jackpot!

Its like looking for a lost sock, you always find it in that place where you didn't look because you thought you knew better! Assumptions are the root of all failure... live by them die by them...

@Grumpy

Right on! It is nice to see this wagon back on track. Doubters have their place, but nothing ventured nothing gained.

@Spoodily

All the links you made are valid and relevant, I believe an appreciation of the archetypes, particularly those represented in the crop circles are more important than most realise, as time goes on I truly believe more people will come to understand their subtle relevance. I like your link to metatrons cube, it is after all the primary archetype.

A
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spoodily on March 26, 2008, 07:44:18 PM
Why is that people who come forward with ideas/plans for something, it always comes with some really crazy side about MIB, UFOs, or something else!

It doesn't, your ideology makes you interpret it as crazy.  It's just technology that you are currently overwhelmed by so you discredit it through ad hominim rather than ackowledge your own intellectual inferiority in trying to understand it.

For anything to work, you must accept that it will.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on March 26, 2008, 07:48:00 PM
Yea thanks for that.  I have been researching and building all sort of crazy shit for over 10 years and spent thousands of pounds doing so.  I would like to think I have a fairly open mind.  However as you say, perhaps I am intellectually inferior and should give up now leaving it all to you.

I take it you are not so inferior and believe that you can make a nuclear weapon with just some coils do you?


D.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Feynman on March 26, 2008, 07:51:35 PM
He wasn't saying you were inferior , he was just saying that we need to acknowledge our own collective ignorance, that's all.

As for the device, I just built one   ;)

(http://tristan.homelinux.net/ringlauncher/emcoil2.jpg)

See, easy.   
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 26, 2008, 07:53:17 PM
:)    Beware how you configure your coils, you might be labled a terrorist   :D
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on March 26, 2008, 07:55:24 PM
:)    Beware how you configure your coils, you might be labled a terrorist   :D

Sorry, I am inferior, what is a coil?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: acerzw on March 26, 2008, 07:56:56 PM
@Spoodily & CTG Labs

I would just settle for being able to run my laptop for free... by accepting that we can't agree on everything, that we all have weaknesses, imperfections and likely all make false assumptions, and have some crazy beliefs (I have a ton of those) and thus are human perhaps we can just agree to disagree and move forward... energy spent arguing is simply wasted...

@Feynman

I am definitely no expert, but perhaps you rushed that build? Please tell me you did!  ;D

A
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Jon on March 26, 2008, 07:58:47 PM
Hello

I am working on a device as described by Spherics. I think the concept in terms of function and geometry makes sense. This book by David Wilcock supports many points.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=95&Itemid=36

I am still working on a computer interface I have to finish before I can report any results.

I have posted my progress at http://freeenergygroup.com

I am working with Feynman on this and you can see his blog at: http://feynmanslab.blogspot.com/


More later.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 26, 2008, 08:01:15 PM
    Each of the conductors in the bifialr wound coils are responding to the aetheric waves in the same intensity but at a different time.  The tuning procedure description is the most valuable information offered by Spherics.  The bifilar parallel circuit is reluctance tuned so that the greatest voltage between the two circuits manifests. This voltage corresponds to the phase displacement of the aetheric waves NOT THEIR FREQUENCY.  Their frequency could be lightyears long but they are time displaced so we can pick them up by responding to the phase displacement of multiple waves. Working on the ripple nothing to do with the entire wavevolume.

    @emdevices

    I believe this is how to hookup the oscope.   I would also hazard a guess that we don't want the other bifilar wire near the timing coil.   Another thought instead of trimming the coil would it not be easier just to put a conductor inside that is carrying a little dc current to alter the permeability of the coil instead of trimming it.  Trimming it could ger real tedious.

Yes a bump but I don't want to get this one buried until maybe somebody can tell me if this looks like what Spherics said SM did to have his kicks. ;D
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 26, 2008, 08:03:35 PM
sparks,  I just saw you added the drawing.  Yes you are correct, that's my interpretation as well.

EM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spoodily on March 26, 2008, 08:23:27 PM
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Yea thanks for that.  I have been researching and building all sort of crazy shit for over 10 years and spent thousands of pounds doing so.  I would like to think I have a fairly open mind.  However as you say, perhaps I am intellectually inferior and should give up now leaving it all to you.

I take it you are not so inferior and believe that you can make a nuclear weapon with just some coils do you?
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Why is that people who come forward with ideas/plans for something, it always comes with some really crazy side about MIB, UFOs, or something else!


It doesn't, your ideology makes you interpret it as crazy.  It's just technology that you are currently overwhelmed by so you discredit it through ad hominim rather than ackowledge your own intellectual inferiority in trying to understand it.

For anything to work, you must accept that it will.

Please read the specific area I responded to you on.  I was refering to you calling what I shared with everyone as "some crazy side" simply because you are not familiar with it.  Notice how you threw MIB in the mix?  No one ever said anything about that, you did.  Your stereotypes and ideology made you think in that fashion.

What I saw was real and I don't think it was as advanced as people make it out to be.  I am not saying it isn't complicated or that I understand how it works.  All I am saying is that it is actually real, someone has built it before and to mock and laugh when the topic is brought up in a serious manner by someone trying to lend a hand is a bit insulting.

I appologise for any confusion.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on March 26, 2008, 08:30:11 PM
What I saw was real and I don't think it was as advanced as people make it out to be.  I am not saying it isn't complicated or that I understand how it works.  All I am saying is that it is actually real, someone has built it before and to mock and laugh when the topic is brought up in a serious manner by someone trying to lend a hand is a bit insulting.

Ok, now I am confused.  Are you saying you have seen such a nuclear device, built with coils alone?


D.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on March 26, 2008, 08:32:24 PM
Guys,

If we assume this to be true, ie that in a certain configuration, this device can act in the same manner as what "conventional thinking" calls a nuclear weapon, is it wise for us all to sit around building one?

We do not want "Jericho" on our hands!


D.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spoodily on March 26, 2008, 08:39:33 PM
Ok, now I am confused.  Are you saying you have seen such a nuclear device, built with coils alone?
D.

I don't know anything about any nuclear devices made with coils.

I am saying I saw an anti-gravity craft that operated in a unique fashion and produced no exhaust or noise, I described it further on a previous page.  I know something powered it, maybe an over-unity device and the anti-gravity was a controlled side effect of or in relation to the vehicle's power source.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 26, 2008, 08:46:09 PM
Was FreedomFuel trying to convince everyone to "bury the TPU" because it had "neclear weapon" potential?

Didn't SM say he got a visit from the Atomic Energy Comission?

A goes to B goes to C...
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on March 26, 2008, 09:13:33 PM
@Spheric,

For two days now I have been playing with a bifilar coil pulsed at resonance with an iron coil inserted in series with one side.

After hours of tuning and different iron lengths,etc, I have seen nothing strange.  Have you any advice about what I should actually be looking for?


Thanks,

Dave.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 26, 2008, 09:26:37 PM
   @EM

     In the open tpu he places what appears to be magnets on top of two vertical columns.  If these pms are the reluctance needed to get the kick coil pulsing these vertical coils are spherics timing coils.  Need to make one of these kick coils and observe what specifically happens around over in and about this coil before I start triggering four of them.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 26, 2008, 10:24:06 PM
Just spent 5 minutes laying around with an applet for group velocity demonstration.   I was kinda wondering how group and phase velocity applied to this delayed signal with the iron inductor.

anyway, when I changed the top wave to this:  2.5*sin(8.0*(x-1.0*(2*t)))

(which I believe multiplies it's velocity by 2 - only 5 minutes so I could be wrong)

I get an interesting result.

http://webphysics.davidson.edu/applets/Superposition/GroupVelocity.html

EDIT:  changing f(x,t) to 2.5*sin(8.0*(x-1.0*(4*t)))  is really wild.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 27, 2008, 12:09:36 AM
sparks,  I just saw you added the drawing.  Yes you are correct, that's my interpretation as well.

I took the liberty of correcting the diagram so as not to lead people astray:
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 27, 2008, 12:20:48 AM
Was FreedomFuel trying to convince everyone to "bury the TPU" because it had "neclear weapon" potential?

Didn't SM say he got a visit from the Atomic Energy Comission?

A goes to B goes to C...

Hello All,
This is correct.  If the unit reached perfect "harmonics" it could take out a city, the man from AEC had said.  SM was threatened with jail, etc. because of the dangers involved.  Remember the "imploding TV's?"

What I think:
I think Spherics was/is SM's engineer.  I think the earliest TPU, was the least dangerous and is why we have now been told how to build it.

I think Spherics and SM have continued to work on the TPU as told by SM, to iron out some of the bugs.  And that Spherics first post is the latest incarnation.

I think that Spherics gave out too much information on the implosion coils, thus it's removal.  It add's credance in my mind to everything he has said, based on what SM has told us about the dangers of the TPU.

I think that the "three Frequencies" needed for the other SM TPU's, were frequencies that tapped into huge magnetic waves and these would have increased the "COMP" field producing more current.  But SM said even if we did not hit the "correct" frequency's" we would see power, but only a little.  The "COMP" field would be much weaker.

I think that Spherics knows about Bob Boyce's device, because I had Mannix send a copy of the .pdf that I composed to SM to look over.  I think that he passed it to Spherics, thus Spherics mention of Bob Boyce.

Lastly I think some of us should build the kick coils and some should build the 2008 version of the TPU as described in Spherics first post.

I think that Spherics used the user name of Spherics because it was the name of SM's former company.

Stop jabbering and let's try to actually build something for once.  Out of twenty replicators of the Bob Boyce device only ONE ever got to the point to actually test it.  If nothing works some can wag their finger and say I told you so.  I don't care. 

Will you, the readers of this post, build and post your experiments or just continue to talk everyone to death?   ;) :D 

@ Spherics

Thank you, very very much, from a grateful soul.

God Bless,

Bruce
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: wattsup on March 27, 2008, 02:32:23 AM
The coil disposition has merit. The bifilar idea as shown, in my opinion is of no use. The current will just bypass through the coil of least resistance. The fact that the coils are connected as shown, nothing will happen. The idea of creating a second squeeze effect will not work as shown. You will actually decrease the field. Sorry.

All the ether talk is simply wishful thinking and does not touch the reality of the apparatus at all. Basically as the toroid produces current, it will create a BEMF (yes I hate that word) onto which the three  bottom coils will rub their fields. The top coil will simply create a constant repulsion zone over the toroid. Nothing more. Nothing less. No need for fancy ether talk because it does not mean anything. You will probably need to send an excitation current into the toroid to start the drag conditions like any standard alternator. You can choose your tires and your rims, but you won't re-invent the wheel on this one.

Also, stating this is a more efficient design then the TPU. Say what? Did I read this correctly. I would hope that to say this, one would have a working spheric unit and a working TPU and have done exact performance comparisons before one would state this in public. More efficient?

Like I said on the outset of this thread, the design is interesting in that it resembles Otto's ECD but with a more logical field development. This is said and based on the ECD "experience" with thanks to Ottos and Robertos hard work. Nothing more.

There remains so many questions concerning the design itself that it is futile to spend time talking about master theories. Main things will be;

- to find the proper toroid/coils winding ratios.
- to develop the proper driving method - non SS if you expect to use the flyback.
- to develop the true angles for the coils because I do not think the perfect triangle design will work since the fields from the coils will be coming out ovular.
- develop a reasoning on if the coils will be driven as primaries or as high inductance and use some Tesla know-how to reduce the overall power consumption.

In my view, the idea of three down, toroid, one up is good. But not three out. I would put the triangle upside down with the three coils around the bottom tip driving the toroid from inside where the drag could be contained with the top coil impulses otherwise you will lose 75% of the field effect. But that's just me. Triangles are good for structure but have no special merit for substance. The components used will decide the substance.

I do not believe any of this has anything to do with the TPU at all and Roberto said it very quickly, this is not a TPU and there is no relation. The descriptions of the TPU operation are faulty and do not "fit". I don't know where spherics got these stories about SM working intermittently on this over years, etc., etc., and I don't buy it.

Now if there was a nice dark roomed video of this device in action, we would all feell at home here.lol

I think I have finally figured out what exactly is happening here in terms of Spherics, his unit, SM, the TPU, etc., but will wait a little longer to see what @spherics says in his next "two" posts. Language has a way of permeating through the years. I think someone better copy this thread now.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 27, 2008, 02:46:30 AM
The coil disposition has merit. The bifilar idea as shown, in my opinion is of no use. The current will just bypass through the coil of least resistance. The fact that the coils are connected as shown, nothing will happen. The idea of creating a second squeeze effect will not work as shown. You will actually decrease the field. Sorry.

All the ether talk is simply wishful thinking and does not touch the reality of the apparatus at all. Basically as the toroid produces current, it will create a BEMF (yes I hate that word) onto which the three  bottom coils will rub their fields. The top coil will simply create a constant repulsion zone over the toroid. Nothing more. Nothing less. No need for fancy ether talk because it does not mean anything. You will probably need to send an excitation current into the toroid to start the drag conditions like any standard alternator. You can choose your tires and your rims, but you won't re-invent the wheel on this one.

Also, stating this is a more efficient design then the TPU. Say what? Did I read this correctly. I would hope that to say this, one would have a working spheric unit and a working TPU and have done exact performance comparisons before one would state this in public. More efficient?

Like I said on the outset of this thread, the design is interesting in that it resembles Otto's ECD but with a more logical field development. This is said and based on the ECD "experience" with thanks to Ottos and Robertos hard work. Nothing more.

There remains so many questions concerning the design itself that it is futile to spend time talking about master theories. Main things will be;

- to find the proper toroid/coils winding ratios.
- to develop the proper driving method - non SS if you expect to use the flyback.
- to develop the true angles for the coils because I do not think the perfect triangle design will work since the fields from the coils will be coming out ovular.
- develop a reasoning on if the coils will be driven as primaries or as high inductance and use some Tesla know-how to reduce the overall power consumption.

In my view, the idea of three down, toroid, one up is good. But not three out. I would put the triangle upside down with the three coils around the bottom tip driving the toroid from inside where the drag could be contained with the top coil impulses otherwise you will lose 75% of the field effect. But that's just me. Triangles are good for structure but have no special merit for substance. The components used will decide the substance.

I do not believe any of this has anything to do with the TPU at all and Roberto said it very quickly, this is not a TPU and there is no relation. The descriptions of the TPU operation are faulty and do not "fit". I don't know where spherics got these stories about SM working intermittently on this over years, etc., etc., and I don't buy it.

Now if there was a nice dark roomed video of this device in action, we would all feell at home here.lol

I think I have finally figured out what exactly is happening here in terms of Spherics, his unit, SM, the TPU, etc., but will wait a little longer to see what @spherics says in his next "two" posts. Language has a way of permeating through the years. I think someone better copy this thread now.

@ Wattsup

The man just told you that if you build it you will see a KICK!!  And your response is, "The bifilar idea as shown, in my opinion is of no use."  HUH????  Either Spherics is a liar, or people just want to ignore information, because it does not fit their preconceptions.  Typical.  More Jabber.

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 27, 2008, 03:00:16 AM
Every time we feed a square wave into a coil, a "kick" will occur.  It's what we do with the kick that is important.

EM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on March 27, 2008, 03:11:40 AM
Since spheric has declined to clarify his design in relation to the original SM design, I'll take a stab at describing what I think he is really trying to say:

With all 4 poles oriented and fired as he shows in the diagram, i.e. all N-poles facing inward, there will be a repulsion or bucking of fields in such a way that the vector sum of each coil pair creates crudely a rotating magnetic mono-pole (RMMP) of sorts, mostly in the horizontal plane. Due to the mutual angle of the bucking fields, the resultant field extends outside the perimeter of coils XYZ.

In SM's design (presumably), as with Tesla's seminal insight alike, the RMF created is a rotating magnetic di-pole (RMDP), mostly in the horizontal plane.

So maybe a RMMP is spherics' goal as opposed to the 'less efficient' RMDP?

i.e. Does a RMMP create a vortexing aether field more efficiently than a RMDP does?

thanks for your latest post spherics.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 27, 2008, 03:53:27 AM





The SM designs all work on the same set of principles. A pulse into a coil generates an expanding magnetic field. The magnetic field comes into being by an underlying patterning of the ether. It is a cascade action on the part of the ether that causes the EFFECT of an expanding magnetic field. If you then cause a second magnetic field to expand through the same space as the already expanding magnetic field, a specific cascading action, a pattern is setup in the ether which is the EQUIVALENT of a magnetic field and has many of the characteristics of a magnetic field. By this I mean it will interact with metals, and cause the EFFECT of a current, IF the field is moving across the metal.  I will refer to this field as a COMP field from now on. But please be clear this COMP field is in addition to the expected magnetic field. This COMP field, a patterning in the ether, is dampened and effectively nulled by magnetic metals. This is why if you are using an iron core in the coils named control coils you will never get a working TPU.

No doubt this may be disconcerting to many who have fond references to baling wire, iron wire and the like. I will now digress onto the circumstance surrounding the initial eureka moment as I understand them. Audiophiles who frequent this watering-hole will no doubt have heard of QUAD ESL electrostatic speakers. An essential design element is the incoming signal is sent into, I believe, 7 or 8 progressive delay elements. These elements delay the signal by microseconds each time.

As part of experiments, associated with what would become his 3D spacial control patents, he was using these delay elements with custom made bifilar wound voice coils (i.e. air coils) and unexpectedly detected an anomolous signal on his spectrum analyser.

Steven Mark created his own delay elements using iron wire after several years of intermittent experimentation. The technique was to carefully wrap a bifilar air-coil using copper wire. The longer the length of copper the better but using identical lengths. The two coils were connected to the SAME pulse waveforms in parallel so that the magnetic field is additive NOT cancelling. The delay element was added in series to only one of the coils that made up the bifilar coil. The delay coil was made from insulated iron wire wound into an air coil. An oscilloscope was connected to both COPPER coils. The setup would be pulsed with a dc offset square wave (i.e. 0 to 20V not -10 to 10V) at the resonant frequency of the bifilar coils. The tuning consisted of cutting the iron wire down in length until an unexpected pulse/signal appeared. This pulse is the kick. I will refer to these tuned bifilar coils as kick coils.

You are privy to the information that the COMP field is nulled by iron. Those who so wish may like to take some time to fully comprehend the frustrations of closely packing the delay and bifilar coils together only to find the unexpected pulse was no longer appearing!!!  This is what SM had to contend. And Jack says SM was not technical. Bunkum!!

From traditional electrical engineering view point the kick coils for a particular quantity of energy now put out the expected magnetic field but also put out the COMP field which has effects like a magnetic field. In a world that excludes the ether, these coils are overunity. If the world took into account the ether, then the coils would not be thought of as overunity.

The magnetic field is now larger than expected. All that needs to be done is to rotate this field in a circle and intercept the field with an output coil. The captured energy is greater than the input energy because of the energy apparently created by the COMP field. If you arrange all N poles of the kicker coils so that they point towards the center and pulse each coil in turn you will get a rotating magnetic field. There are many ways to create a rotating magnetic field. A secondary effect of a rotating field is the entrainment of the COMP field so that the pattern in the ether is partially additive. A big problem was the iron in the delay coils. It was found that a large solenoid fed with a DC current to produce a static magnetic field around all of the kicker coils allowed the kicker coils to be tuned with the iron delay coils in close proximity.

Intercepting only N poles of the kicker coils means you get a DC output along with a smaller induced ripple from pulsing the kicker coils.

Feedback of the output into the input was achieved using toroidal saturable inductor switches. I've copied the picture from other messages of the inductor switches. Refer to the patent for an example to see how these switches are used. Early designs used a small magnet to bias the saturable inductors.

All SM devices had small batteries to power the LC oscillators. The LC oscillators were used as control pulse currents to the saturable inductors. To start the process high voltage capacitors were step charged, this is why the coils took time to start-up! The first few pulses came from these pre-charged capacitors being switched via saturable inductors. Part of the DC output was feedback to keep the capacitors fully charged.

My design shown at the very start of this message thread eliminated the need for an iron delay coil because the pattern is set up in the ether outside of the influence of copper metal of the control coils. It directly allows the COMP field to be generated IN FREE SPACE. By placing the output toroidal coil within this free space the COMP field is intercepted. The complete lack of any magnetic materials within this design is what allows this to happen.

I do believe there are elements of information here that you will not have been aware of before. I trust this is enough to convince at least some of you to reflect and ponder more seriously on this material.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19820016542_1982016542.pdf


Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on March 27, 2008, 04:40:28 AM
Quote
Intercepting only N poles of the kicker coils means you get a DC output along with a smaller induced ripple from pulsing the kicker coils.

Yes Bruce this would account for the mainly DC output, which is why I explained the rotating field as similar to a mono-pole.

As you are a man that seems to have a lot of the answers, how does the rotating di-polar field in SM's device account for this DC output?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 27, 2008, 04:52:06 AM
You are all missing many peices of the puzzle and trying to put it together anyway.

The goal here, as will many devices, unbeknownced to the inventer, is to manipulate what spherics has termed "density".  This "density" has other names, one of which is the "tempic" field.  I researched this for a great deal of time - starting with the familiar A-field and B-field to find the work of Wilbert Smith and others.  Density implies a gradient or scalar - i.e. a single unit parameter like "temperature".  I used the word "parameter" on purpose.  In Smith's work, he explains that the universe is composed of 12 parameters in three fabrics of 4 parameters each.  7 parameters are required to study a particle and the other 5 are required to do something with the particle.  Density or the tempic field is the first parameter of the "field' fabric which is separate from the "space" fabric.

Anyway, you take this "density" and you "diverge" it.  This gives you an electric field - which has a vector and a scalar. Now that  you have an electric field, you make this loop on itself and you now have the "curl" of the "divergence" of the "density" - i.e. a magnetic field. This is dynamic so a constant change is required to maintain it.

Like I stated before - the field of this device must form as a vortex.

Some of you may notice a similarity with the mention of voltage and current on two copper rods in this vortex and similar statements by Tesla when he pulled 100 of amps from his coils or vaporized aluminum foil.

The more intuitive will notice that he said "copper" rods - no aluminum, no iron, etc.

So what if ths does not look like a ring!  Who said it has to? 

The "kick" referred to is coupled to the time field - tapping the aether.

We might ask ourselves, what happened to the rate of time (entropy) within this field - this don't look like Kansas anymore...

Oh and last but not least - build it like he said and stop overthinking it.

EDIT: Time is the gradient of spin.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on March 27, 2008, 05:14:28 AM
At the nuts and bolts level, spherics' and SM's designs are quite different, yet I think we are being told that the fundamental operation is the same. I invite anyone to explain the differences and the similarities at the nuts and bolts level.

For all those that have this all figured out already, your input is appreciated.

I think in order to build either version we need to start examining the nuts and bolts of the device rather than "tempic" fields and the like.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 27, 2008, 06:20:02 AM
     I am just going the SM route with a timing coil and output coil just to see a big pulse on an oscope.  (Not a big ring I would have got without Grumpy's corrections :P)  Then monitor the magnetic field around the output coil with and without the timing.  Just checking.  I might try using a small saturable core reactor instead of snipping wires though.  I guess the pulse frequency isn't critical just the shape so maybe start off at 5khz.  I've got a 0-10khz power supply  0-230vdc used to pulse a hv transformer.   I think it is going to be critical to shield the timing coil from any em energy so that it splits the pulse energy in phase with the target waves.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: WilbyInebriated on March 27, 2008, 06:55:28 AM
(I'm sure there is a cool Latin phrase for that).

"Obre los Ojos" comes to mind...
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: tao on March 27, 2008, 10:51:34 AM
Another visual...

Was made by doing a FEMM sim of two mag fields interacting at 120 degrees, then the image was processed in Photoshop to mirror the fields seen.

This in effect then shows a 2d 'slice' of the mag field interactions going on, similar to EMdevices's picture on page 5 but different. This picture shows the 2d 'slice' of the unit after the aether vortex would have been presumably setup...

NOTE: THIS IS A 2D 'sliced' VIEW FROM THE SIDE OF THE DEVICE!

Here are some of spherics's quotes that you might find interesting when looking at the image below:

"To complete the picture the intercept coil can be an air-core toroidal coil placed in a horizontal plane halfway between the top coil and the bottom three coils sized so that the outside of the toroid would touch, but not overlap, the imaginary planes of the tetrahedral pyramid sides. The diameter of the toroid hole should be the same as the diameter of the toroid windings for optimum results"

"With a little bit more thought you may even consider the placement of the magnetic void and again see that this void would transpose on rotation to form a toroid void. The persistence of the ether waves long after the magnetic field allows discrete time separated pulses to merge in their affect on the ether. This void combined with the rotating pulses cause the ether to spiral."
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 27, 2008, 02:06:52 PM
nice work tao,  may I suggest you simulated something slightly different than what spherics proposed?    Note that there is no vertical plane that cuts exactly through the top vertical coil AND contains TWO lower coils.   Why is that?  Becasue if you look from the top,   the 3 bottom coils are spaced at 120 degrees.

So you need to simulate just one vertical coil and one bottom coil  (full simulation not assuming symetry), then you will have what spherics describes. (at least one pulsing instance, where top coil and one of the 3 bottom coils pulse together)

Anyway,  I like the picture, and yes we can see the "voids" clearly.    The real question is what do the voids do, can they induce a current into the toroid placed at that location?   My answer,  NO.   :)


@ all,

spherics mentioned the spin after you turn off the pulsing,  and I assumed the gyration of the atomic spins,  but let's assume there is no mass, like spherics describes, just empty space.    The question is, can you actualy have a true, real ROTATION with some INERTIA  (that can keep it going after the pulsing stops) ?  

The answer to this is a bit complicated, since there could be resonance in the LC circuits forming the pulses, and there can be observed and deduced that something is rotating (by seeing the ringing on an oscilloscope)  but if this can be snubbed out instantly, the theory says there is nothing !!! no rotation no nothing, it dies out instantly.   Why?  because the rotation is an illusion,  because it is acually a SUPERPOSITION of quasi-static phased fields, and due to their electrical phasing only "appear" to rotate.   So when these coils stop pulsing,  NO MORE FIELD!!!.   Or is there something?   If somebody can prove this beyond a shodow of doubt, that they can trully "spin" empty space, and can prove that it's not the coils ringing after the pulse stops,  then you might have a shot at stardom.


EM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 27, 2008, 02:32:39 PM
Anyway,  I like the picture, and yes we can see the "voids" clearly.    The real question is what do the voids do, can they induce a current into the toroid placed at that location?   My answer,  NO.   :)

The question is how does the ether vortex interact with a conductor in the same space.

It was mentioned earlier that two copper rods placed into the space occupied by the vortex would convey voltage and current.  Kinda sounds like placing the plates of a capacitor in a moving dielectric - look up the "Roentgen effect" - isn't that interesting?

The non-ionic conductive  field produced around the elevated capacitive terminal of a Tesla magnifier, doesn't sound so strange any more.

Anyway, the experiment to see a kick should be tried first - Dave is already doing this.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 27, 2008, 03:23:39 PM
@ all,

spherics mentioned the spin after you turn off the pulsing,  and I assumed the gyration of the atomic spins,  but let's assume there is no mass, like spherics describes, just empty space.    The question is, can you actualy have a true, real ROTATION with some INERTIA  (that can keep it going after the pulsing stops) ?   

The answer to this is a bit complicated, since there could be resonance in the LC circuits forming the pulses, and there can be observed and deduced that something is rotating (by seeing the ringing on an oscilloscope)  but if this can be snubbed out instantly, the theory says there is nothing !!! no rotation no nothing, it dies out instantly.   Why?  because the rotation is an illusion,  because it is acually a SUPERPOSITION of phased signals, but in actuality you just have individual fields from the coils that pulse, that's all.   So when these coils stop pulsing,  NO MORE FIELD!!!.   Or is there something?   If anybody can prove beyond a shodow of doubt that they can trully "spin" empty space and can prove that it's not the coils ringing after the pulse stops,  then you might have a shot at stardom.
EM

What is "inertia" in "ether terms"?  It has long been known by "Etherist" that the torsion, COMP, density, or Tempic field can linger for long periods after the initiating influence has been removed.  This field is what "dowsers" detect, but I guess that is "pseudoscience"...

Stephan Marinov believed that there were no "fields" - only the "potentials" and you already know that the ?potential fields? exist even without the ?physical fields?.  So, if I rotated the A-field, which causes a change in it's position and therefore it relationship with the ether, space, or dielectric vacuum - will it cause a current to manifest in a wire within this space?

You might not have seen it, but I recently put forth the question of is radiant energy (Tesla?s name for it) a current in the dielectric?  It?s charge is neutral, yet it reacts with conductors ? pulling at them - charging them electrically.  Is this an inward directed flow of something?  How does RE impart a charge to a conductor when it has no charge itself?  Does RE have a magnetic moment?  In a vague way, I just stirred the pot.

Let go of your "idiology" or stop wasting your time!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: omnispace on March 27, 2008, 03:29:08 PM
Maybe we should try looking at this from an acoustic perspective instead of EM.  The phase delayed bifilar coil creates a longitudinal pulse.  The three control coils are like 3 speakers, all pointed toward the listener.

The top coil is required because sound will not propagate in a vacuum.  In this case the pulsing B-field is the medium, instead of air.

Maybe Spherics is an audiophile? ;)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 27, 2008, 04:21:58 PM
How does RE impart a charge to a conductor when it has no charge itself?
That's a good catch. Charge means existence of an electron. When we are talking about electric potentials or currents (this is what we are using in wires to do work), this does not have to deal with charge - it may deal with kinetic energy which manifests itself as EM waves in wires.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 27, 2008, 04:32:54 PM
     @em devices

           An electric motor rotating magnetic field doesn't rotate.  It is as you described it a static field pulsed sequentially, which make the polar centers appear to be rotating.  This is a driven field which is totally out of sinc with the ambient magnetic field.    If we pulse a solenoid winding of bifilar wire the usually lost eddy currents are captured by the complimentry winding so at the very least we have an efficient solenoid.  The electrons in the conductor are responding to the ambient magnetic field (I hate to use the word aether so I'll just call it amf) long before we initiate the pulse.  In fact the amf is the scource of  BEMF.  We say the magnetic field collapses.  What's making it collapse and to what state is it collapsing to?
   The pulse adds energy to the electron's inerita within the conductor.  The skin electrons or drift electrons are in the inertial frame of the amf already.  The energy they absorb will amplify the amf  and any BEMF becomes just EMF.
There will of course be drain on the pulse energy by the atomic structure not in phase with the amf and result in thermal losses but that's resistance for you.

     The above solenoid coil's magnetic field is a product of the amf and results in flux concentration in phase with the amf.
This allows your pulse energy to accumulate in the future.

     Another funny thing I ran across was a ufo movie in Italian with at least 300 ufo stills compiled.  At the end of one of them was Spherics build protrayed at night. 4 balls of light  assembled in a tetrehedral lattice.  It was the only shot of many but there it was on film.  The weirder it gets the weirder it gets.  (Grumpy, I'm starting to get a little paranoid right now) ???
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 27, 2008, 04:36:17 PM
Charge means a divergence of density - a variation in density of space around a point.

Regarding RE, if the little corpuscles that Tesla said had so little charge as to be considered neutrons were a current loop - perhaps composed of two charges working together with the vacuum dielectric between them - were to strike a closed conductor - would their closed loop merge into the closed conductor - self-capacitance might absorb or cancel this...

hmm - still can't quite get my mind around it

EDIT: correction to previous post - "Roentgen effect" should be "Roentgen current" (the "effect" refers to a different phenomenon)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on March 27, 2008, 05:15:59 PM
Maybe we should try looking at this from an acoustic perspective instead of EM.  The phase delayed bifilar coil creates a longitudinal pulse.  The three control coils are like 3 speakers, all pointed toward the listener.

The top coil is required because sound will not propagate in a vacuum.  In this case the pulsing B-field is the medium, instead of air.

Maybe Spherics is an audiophile? ;)

Bolt suggested a 3 channel amplifier. I built it.
I did Bucket -O- Vibes. 3 speakers facing the center and was able to heterodyne a spin.
I applied that circuit to my Bose acoustic radiator and I almost broke my house.
IS did Audiohenge. 3 speakers facing the center and was able to heterodyne a spin. He almost killed his plants.

We built things. 8)

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: spherics on March 27, 2008, 05:52:00 PM
nice work tao,  may I suggest you simulated something slightly different than what spherics proposed?    Note that there is no vertical plane that cuts exactly through the top vertical coil AND contains TWO lower coils.   Why is that?  Becasue if you look from the top,   the 3 bottom coils are spaced at 120 degrees.

So you need to simulate just one vertical coil and one bottom coil  (full simulation not assuming symetry), then you will have what spherics describes. (at least one pulsing instance, where top coil and one of the 3 bottom coils pulse together)

Anyway,  I like the picture, and yes we can see the "voids" clearly.    The real question is what do the voids do, can they induce a current into the toroid placed at that location?   My answer,  NO.   :)


@ all,

spherics mentioned the spin after you turn off the pulsing,  and I assumed the gyration of the atomic spins,  but let's assume there is no mass, like spherics describes, just empty space.    The question is, can you actualy have a true, real ROTATION with some INERTIA  (that can keep it going after the pulsing stops) ?   

The answer to this is a bit complicated, since there could be resonance in the LC circuits forming the pulses, and there can be observed and deduced that something is rotating (by seeing the ringing on an oscilloscope)  but if this can be snubbed out instantly, the theory says there is nothing !!! no rotation no nothing, it dies out instantly.   Why?  because the rotation is an illusion,  because it is acually a SUPERPOSITION of quasi-static phased fields, and due to their electrical phasing only "appear" to rotate.   So when these coils stop pulsing,  NO MORE FIELD!!!.   Or is there something?   If somebody can prove this beyond a shodow of doubt, that they can trully "spin" empty space, and can prove that it's not the coils ringing after the pulse stops,  then you might have a shot at stardom.


EM
thanks tao nice image.
The output coil goes here as shown on tao image. My original message desribed the coil placement as halfway between the two coils. In my reply to you yesterday concerning why the toroid is correct as an output coil I again described this positioin in reference to magnetic field lines which match with tao image. At no point did I say the coil was to placed at the void like you suggest.

Again with regard to the Aspden Effect I enclosed a comment from Harold Aspden. This experiment is easy to conduct and verify. You'll also find that there is a disparity when spinning up a block of aluminium without any magnets which is even easier to try as an experiment (disparity of approx. 13-16%). You'll also find the same with nickel (disparity of approx. 8-12%). With unmagnetised iron you'll also get a smaller effect in the region of approx. 5% difference.

This author (Harold Aspden) has assembled a motor using disc-shaped ferrite magnets of the kind used in
loudspeakers, mounted on a rotor shaft and interleaved with electrical sheet steel laminations
each having eight poles. Here rotation causes the magnets to induce radial EMFs in those poled
rotor laminations and the passage of those poles past the corresponding poles of a stator
assembly causes flux pulsation. So we have the induction of a pulsating radial electric field in
aether coextensive with the rotor assembly, a recipe according to what has been stated above for
inflow of aether energy.
However, here again, this being an alternative version of a homopolar magnet machine,
the thought of this ever being a way forward in meeting our future energy needs has been ruled
out. However, the tests on this motor did give further insight into that interplay with the aether
and the presence of an anomalous energy gain.
When the motor was first started, spinning at some 1500 rpm, it was noted that it reached
that speed after switch-on in a period of 20-30 seconds. If it was then stopped and restarted, its
speed-up time to that speed was some 5 seconds if no more that two or three minutes had passed
since it had come to rest, but the longer the period waited before restart, the longer it took to
reach 1500 rpm. It was as if there was something there having a weak inertial coupling with the
rotor that was spinning separately and slowing down at a slower rate. Here was what seemed
to be an aether phenomenon.
Before moving on from that research effort several tests were performed at different
times of day and with different compass orientations of the rotor axis. The phenomenon varied
with spin axis direction, suggesting that the quantum spin of the aether has a fixed orientation
in space, a result consistent with the author?s theoretical expectations dating back to the late
1950 period. This phenomenon has been named ?The Aspden Effect? by Dr. Hal Fox, editor of
the U.S. publication New Energy News, which is why that expression is used as the title to this
section.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 27, 2008, 06:16:46 PM
To ALL,

What is the easiest way to amplify the voltage of a square wave from 20V to 300V (I think that is what he said earlier)?

How would McGuiver do it?  Don't respond with a component or some other basic, vague remarks, I need a circuit.

I have the rest covered.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Localjoe on March 27, 2008, 06:31:31 PM
@Grumpy
Look at the guts of a camera flash circuit, I know you probably know this but it has two step options one is from 1.5v to 300 and the 300 dumped through its fly back lc makes the 4KV to trigger the xenon.

This trigger can happen much faster and your only looking for a little current not hundreds of  microfarads like i was using it for . I propose this.

. A few camera flash boards with relays hooked in between the cap and the charging circuit hooked to a controller to set the timing. All the boards need is 1.5v at about a 500ma . that should be enough current for 3 or 4 of em.  That way you can use them to charge caps, set the relay' as there dump gates in to the main coils. If using small capacity high voltage caps they should charge to 300v in a second  if using larger caps 100mfd or more it might take 2 to 3 seconds to charge from a dedicated ps or battery.  I know its not an exact square wave but you can always do the lc calc to see freq of discharge of your caps to the inductor your dumping them through. It should be nice and disruptive at the least and cheap.  Sorry if this is no help. 
                                                                                                                             Joe
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 27, 2008, 06:41:55 PM
To ALL,

What is the easiest way to amplify the voltage of a square wave from 20V to 300V (I think that is what he said earlier)?

How would McGuiver do it?  Don't respond with a component or some other basic, vague remarks, I need a circuit.

I have the rest covered.

        I think you need to start at O volts  to 300v.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Super God on March 27, 2008, 07:07:52 PM
He wants to step up his output so he gets 300 volts.  Hmmm.  Damn I wish I knew how to do this, I'm stuck at this point too.  The only thing I can think of is a step up coil, but I don't even know how well that would work.  Relays are out.  ICs generally don't handle that high of voltage.  We need pese!  or Earl, anyone??
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: atlantex on March 27, 2008, 07:10:49 PM
just by the way:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Daniel_Pomerleau_Free_Energy_Coils


atlantex
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 27, 2008, 07:18:19 PM
WTF?

Uping a pulse is easy for me. 

I want to increase the voltage of a clean square wave - something a "voltage amplifier" would do.

I know it can be done with trannies or mosfets fairly easily, but don't have any sources with me at this time.

Was hoping to find a circuit that we could all use and post here to get this rolling.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 27, 2008, 07:18:37 PM
He wants to step up his output so he gets 300 volts.  Hmmm.  Damn I wish I knew how to do this, I'm stuck at this point too.  The only thing I can think of is a step up coil, but I don't even know how well that would work.  Relays are out.  ICs generally don't handle that high of voltage.  We need pese!  or Earl, anyone??
What's the reason to have high voltage? Higher amperage should do the job. Is there any effective difference between 12V/2A and 300V/0.08A? In my opinion, it's all a question of weights (if seen from the point of view of system of equations used to describe schematic), it may not be relevant to underlying physical processes as for these, the difference between 12V/2A and 300V/0.08A is non-existent. Of course, I may be incorrect in assuming this. But if you want to argue, please give good arguments.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on March 27, 2008, 07:23:08 PM
 ::)

My friend, listen. Think about, no, visualize the following:
Imagine that you have a cannon which fires a projectile at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour.
The amount of energy held in the moving projectile until converted is lets say a figure of ten.
It will never become more then our figure of ten. The energy will slowly dissipate until the projectile slows and begins to fall to the ground and it's finale dissipation will occur when it strikes the earth or the object it was aimed at. Now, we have been told that there will never be more energy available from the projectile other then what was given to it when first fired into the sky, EXCEPT for the following example:
Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well.
Do you see how the different things all relate here?
Let me expand your mind for a moment....
Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon? Now you have another cannon traveling at 1000 miles an hour... Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired. However, since the cannon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles an hour when you fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000 miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile! You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another cannon and you fired it. Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and so on....
The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for conversion.
A long time ago, i said, if you take a bullet and throw it at the side of an automobile;e it will bounce off. However, if you place the bullet into a gun and fire it at the automobile it, with sufficient velocity, go through the metal door and through the other side because of the inertia energy available for conversion.
Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly enough!
Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert into huge amounts of energy.
Even electrons.....................................
Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of magnetic flux. what if you disable the effects of the flux?
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back. electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility! How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling close to the speed of light? Remember the bullet story.
Think of this:
Energy conversion is different when you consider speed. 12 volts at 100 amps is slow and the energy can not dissipate quickly enough to kill you by discharge. But, it is a lot of energy especially if converted to speed. Reduce that 100 amps to 100 mA but increase the voltage (speed) to 100,000 volts and you can electrocute someone!
"My unit operates on these principles"!!!!!.
Think about all those frequencies traveling inside the collector coil and how they interact.....
Sincerely,
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 27, 2008, 07:32:39 PM
Energy conversion is different when you consider speed. 12 volts at 100 amps is slow and the energy can not dissipate quickly enough to kill you by discharge. But, it is a lot of energy especially if converted to speed. Reduce that 100 amps to 100 mA but increase the voltage (speed) to 100,000 volts and you can electrocute someone!
"My unit operates on these principles"!!!!!.
Think about all those frequencies traveling inside the collector coil and how they interact.....
Sincerely,
?
Sorry, but you can of course kill someone with 12 volts at 100 amps. To compare correctly, you should have increased volts to 12000V at 100mA. This is also dangerous.
Your examples are not convincing, they are not physical. If you fire a cannot in a flight, the cannon will stop and the energy will not be gained twofold as you suggest (action-reaction). Also, there are no 'explosions' happen on electron level to justify your speculations. Electron carries his static electrostatic field and a bit of kinetic energy. Basically only its kinetic energy varies, which is also propagated by means of EM waves: that is the only way for electrons to transfer their energy at light speeds given their own speed is low.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on March 27, 2008, 07:40:38 PM

Your examples are not convincing


Why are you posting in the TPU area?
This was not an example.....
I bet you didn't even read it and i bet you don't even know where it comes from...

People like you will never understand.

M.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 27, 2008, 07:41:02 PM
Hi Grumpy, 

depending on what you have or want, you can either use the square wave to work a boost coverter, 

OR

if you need nice clean sinusoidal waves, filter the squarewave and use a transformer to magnify the voltage(or just feed it into a transformer if the shape is not that important)  Make sure there is not DC component to the square wave (if there is place a decoupling cap before it)

EM

P.S.  Ok , I just saw your post right above, so you just want to boost the voltage of a square wave period.   Then use the bottom circuit.  Another possibility is obvioulsy resonance of the transformer itself, (primary winding and capacitor).  If frequency is high,  then you might want to consider a type of TESLA coil  :)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 27, 2008, 07:49:28 PM
Your examples are not convincing

Why are you posting in the TPU area?
This was not an example.....
I bet you didn't even read it and i bet you don't even know where it comes from...

People like you will never understand.
No reason to go personal. I'm here to get ideas and share ideas. Beside that 'frequencies in coils' have nothing to do with voltages and amperages. I personally cannot justify the need of differentiation between Volts and Amps beside obvious schematic building tasks, where they solve the problem of energy in - energy out coordination. Instead of writing R=V/I you could write R=Eout/Ein.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 27, 2008, 07:50:26 PM
No, I need to maintain the square shape - undistorted preferably - and without some huge delay.

So, a 20v square goes in and a 300v square (or higher - 500v would be nice) comes out.

I found this (I believe it could be adapted for this purpose):

Like I said, I'm looking for something we can post here that everyone can use - so has to be simple and everything readily available.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 27, 2008, 07:58:46 PM
spherics, you're backing yourself into a corner.   Now your talking about actual rotors and Aspen, and you're also saying the toroidal coil is placed farther out.   

Ok,   let's look at that,   the magnetic field vectors cut right across the x-secion of the toroid (a circle), and if you assume the field "rotates" about the z-axis,  you have a velocity in the PHI direction  (circumferentialy)   

So which way is the induced voltage from such a scenario?    Well,  v x B gives you a vector in the THETA direction, or along a line,in the vertical plane, connecting the top and side coil, just about.   So you see, you don't get charges forced along the PHI direction, which is what's needed.   If you want to induce voltage and current with this "rotation"  then you need a different configuration for a "capturing" coil, not a toroid per say,  can you figure out how?

EM

P.S.  Grumpy, if you go up in voltage but keep the waveform the same, this means you need a broadband voltage amplifyer (since the square wave has lots of harmonics)   You want power as well, correct?  because my circuit will not add power, it just makes the voltage high.  If you do want power, then a push-pull amplifier (operating at 300V) will do the trick.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on March 27, 2008, 08:00:36 PM
Your examples are not convincing

Why are you posting in the TPU area?
This was not an example.....
I bet you didn't even read it and i bet you don't even know where it comes from...

People like you will never understand.
No reason to go personal. I'm here to get ideas and share ideas. Beside that 'frequencies in coils' have nothing to do with voltages and amperages. I personally cannot justify the need of differentiation between Volts and Amps beside obvious schematic building tasks, where they solve the problem of energy in - energy out coordination. Instead of writing R=V/I you could write R=Eout/Ein.

Hey you tell me to give you some good arguments.
Then you tell me the examples are not not convincing.
Yet they came from the man who did it..
This makes me think that you think you know better then Steven and this i cannot believe.
I am sorry.
I wish people would read the literature.
Then they would just know why it is important in stead of just BLAH BLAH ing.

M.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 27, 2008, 08:06:07 PM
This ship is sinkin' fast...
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Chad on March 27, 2008, 08:07:36 PM
at a certain point in the video you can hear the ocscillator give its tell tail wistle as its charging up...its very faint and obscured by background noise, you can hear around 4-5 separate charging wistle's from the oscillator!, ive known this for a long while and didnt think it was anything new untill i read spherics post about the caps being charged by an ocsillator, if this is of any use i can put you on to the exact point this happens in the video, if its not important no worrys just trying to help you guys along  :)

cheers

Chad.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Localjoe on March 27, 2008, 08:12:44 PM
So no one thinks the 79 cent camera flash boards will do the job??????????????????????????????????????????
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on March 27, 2008, 08:22:46 PM
Grumpy, why do you want to use square wave form?
These are the most rich in harmonic content.
And that was not good for the music.
If you own a spectrum analyzer you should fire it up with a square and you will imediatly see what i mean.
Actually it is quite difficult to show one frequency without harmonics only on these things.
I have tried it many times so far.
The only way seems to be to cancel out the harmonics by back feeding them superposed in reverse on top of them.
Well that's a bit hard to explain i guess...

M.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 27, 2008, 08:23:33 PM
This makes me think that you think you know better then Steven and this i cannot believe.
I am sorry.
I wish people would read the literature.
Then they would just know why it is important in stead of just BLAH BLAH ing.
Well I thought these were your examples not Steven's. I do not want to argue with a person not involved in the discussion.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on March 27, 2008, 08:27:13 PM
This makes me think that you think you know better then Steven and this i cannot believe.
I am sorry.
I wish people would read the literature.
Then they would just know why it is important in stead of just BLAH BLAH ing.
Well I thought these were your examples not Steven's. I do not want to argue with a person not involved in the discussion.

Now that is exactly what i mean...
If you had read the literature you would have known these were Stevens words.
And this topic is about his device.
I do not want to argue with a person who doesn't know what the inventor said....
In fact i only want to talk to people who know what was said about the device, but this seems to be impossible.

M.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 27, 2008, 08:27:27 PM
Grumpy, why do you want to use square wave form?
These are the most rich in harmonic content.
Sawtooth is richer, though its RMS is lower than that of square wave given same peak-to-peak voltage difference.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 27, 2008, 08:34:41 PM
square wave - like "Sponge Bob Square Pants"

I want to amplify the voltage of a square wave by a factor of 15 and up to about 10 MHz.

Why square?   I need a sudden rise, an adjustable holding period, and then a sudden collapse.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on March 27, 2008, 08:36:45 PM
Grumpy, why do you want to use square wave form?
These are the most rich in harmonic content.
Sawtooth is richer, though its RMS is lower than that of square wave given same peak-to-peak voltage difference.

Could be.

But that was not my point.
My point was to clarify that we do not want harmonics at all.
Why?

Because Steven said so:

I assumed that anyone working on technology this sophisticated would have a superior knowledge of electronics and an understanding of PURE frequency output being a Necessity to control the reactions going on inside the collector.

I prefer using triodes because they generate less distortion.
Any deviation from the original signal or addition to , Harmonic and intermodulation is not good for stereo enjoyment, you know...

All those harmonics somehow get through to the music output and just ruin the music...

You know transistors just don't do well at those high frequencies. They try hard but they just make all sorts of harmonics all over the place. dirty things transistors.

It is in the document bro.

M.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: hartiberlin on March 27, 2008, 08:37:25 PM
at a certain point in the video you can hear the ocscillator give its tell tail wistle as its charging up...its very faint and obscured by background noise, you can hear around 4-5 separate charging wistle's from the oscillator!, ive known this for a long while and didnt think it was anything new untill i read spherics post about the caps being charged by an ocsillator, if this is of any use i can put you on to the exact point this happens in the video, if its not important no worrys just trying to help you guys along  :)

cheers

Chad.

Okay Chad, please let us know.
Thanks.

P.S: Some other people over here are posting sometimes useless comments without any contens.
Please stop this as this only clutters the thread.
Thanks for understanding.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on March 27, 2008, 08:41:33 PM
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Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: morleysrt on March 27, 2008, 08:52:31 PM
someone mentioned fear,and not knowing with what they're playing with.After seeing the drawings of spherics design it trigered something I had seen or had read so I began looking for info and found some interesting but fearful stuff.Maybe everybody should take a look at this and maybe think twice about traveling down that road he suggested.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse#Non-nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 27, 2008, 08:57:12 PM
everyone is going nuts, they must have adjusted the HAARP frequencies
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Chad on March 27, 2008, 10:03:06 PM
OK GUYS LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY!

I dont know if you missed my post as it wasnt anything new but it may give you the idea of how the TPU is started!

45 seconds into the video at the point were SM "energises" the unit you will hear the wistle of the oscillator....then you hear it again straight after, once he hands over the TPU to the gentleman beside him if you listen carefully you hear it again at "53 seconds", the gentleman then says "vibration ...slight noise", after this i cant hear it again and the gentleman then says "vibration"
Dont confuse the background noise with the ocsillator.

if somebody could clean up the audio a little you will be able to hear it better.

Listen to the video with head/ear phones on with the volume high otherwise you may not be able to distinguish the oscillator from the background noise.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4635806392548711631

Chad.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 27, 2008, 10:15:30 PM
    You need the linear rise of the pulse voltage to get the potential setup across that coil so the energy of the input shows up across the whole mass of the coil instead of messing around pushing one electron after another from orbital to orbital.  You want the input to amplify the drift current inside the conductor not push the whole mass of electrons and protons.  This signal will travel near the speed of light through the copper electron cloud.  Scalar wave whatever you want to call it.
    Imagine a picture tube but instead of a vacuum you have it filled with electrons.  The voltage applied across the anode and cathode would result in instantaneous charge seperation at very low applied potential.
We don't have this advantage in a bifilar wound coil. The voltage and rise rate need to be increased to get the energy to the electrons already responding to the ambient magnetic field before the energy gets absorbed rattling the neucleus and electrons in lower energy suborbitals.
     The input wave duty cycle needs to be minimal as this energy will not only be wasted but detrimental to the desired effect.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on March 27, 2008, 10:15:54 PM
I have analyzed these video's years ago.
There are more sequences in other video's too.
It's the "click kicks" that are important.

M.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 27, 2008, 10:16:04 PM
Nice talking about many interesting thing! May it's useful for some folk, but sorry for saying that, but you all miss the point again!

With these some new post from Spherics, merry-go-round started again. You again talking about how to build amplifier, many strange, sometimes interesting, but still useless theory, again FEMM pictures, blablabla, sorry to say that, but these thing are fully useless here, again, and again...

All magnetic simulator software are useless in that field! Why? Because they miss the point too! They don't know how magnetic field are  "created" around a coil! That's the most important thing to understand!

I am nobody, and i  haven't rights to blame you, but i suggest hardly, go back to basic, and try to understand what's going on in a simple wire, when you apply voltage to it. Just think about simple compass,about equilibrium state in space of any magnet, or magnetized material...


To everyone that did not get the point:

"Qui potest capere capiat"
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Moab on March 27, 2008, 10:20:23 PM
everyone is going nuts, they must have adjusted the HAARP frequencies


Thank goodness!  I was getting lonely out here all by my self. :)


Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 27, 2008, 10:31:41 PM
@Chad

      I heard it!  There is another one sounds like vibrating wires at about a beat a second.  This is when he activates the baby tpu.  I've heard this vibration before and I think it is a subharmonic of 60cycle stuff.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: kames on March 28, 2008, 04:06:49 AM
@spherics

I did test your simple example. There seems to be a voltage amplification. That appears with short pulses, around 3?10 mks. The amplification was around 20% in amplitude, ie, in voltage. I don?t want to jump into a conclusion, but there is something interesting about it. The amplification wasn?t proportional to the width of the pulse. Reducing the width of the pulse below 5mks didn?t seem to give any voltage amplification. The same was for pulses above 20 mks in width. I haven?t tested it under load. That is going to be a more complicated test. I can also confirm that inserting a ferrite core into the coil effectively kills the amplification, however, it didn?t kill it completely. I used frequencies from 2 khz and up to 100 khz. As an input for short high slew rate pulses I used BEMF pulses from another device. For a delay line I used a few turns of copper wire. There also seems to be a dependency of the amplification on the number of turns in the delay coil, but not much. In some cases, with reducing the delay the amplification was increased. I had to play with it but very little. The results appeared right away. I haven?t tried to use an iron wire as a delay line, I just don?t have it right now. I have tried to find any mistake in the set up or incorrect measuring and for now I couldn?t.

I am not saying in which point of the coil the amplification of the voltage occurs. I hope it was more than clear described by spherics.

I will see what is going to happen with my next tests. Very interesting, but I would wait for more testing.

Kames.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: eldarion on March 28, 2008, 05:45:50 AM
I can also confirm a possible voltage amplification effect under no load resonant conditions.  I used an iron wire coil of around 10 turns for the delay coil.  First I established resonance of the bifilar coil without the iron wire; this was at 5.557MHz.  When I added the iron wire, the system detuned to a lower frequency of around 5.2MHz and the resulting peak-peak voltage was greater by around 20% (interesting how the two tests coincide).

I was driving the system with 10V p-p square waves through a 100K resistor, and the no-load p-p voltage was 11.4V.  When I switched the generator to sine wave, the coil p-p voltage dropped to around 8V.

In all cases the voltage scoped across the coil was a perfect sine wave.

I am not sure what to make of this...I am not seeing any sharply defined kicks, and this could just be simple resonant voltage rise occuring.  Shorting the 100K resistor destroyed any voltage rise as expected.

Any thoughts Spherics?

Eldarion
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MarkSnoswell on March 28, 2008, 07:23:06 AM
@spherics

I have a few specific questions and observations.

1. Were you aware that if the coils are tuned very closely then pulsing just the A coil at frequency 3f will induce a natural 3 phase resonance in the x,y and z coils at frequency f?
If you were aware of this have/can you successfully drive the complete set of coils for an OU result in this manner?

2. Were you aware of the recent work on non radiating antennas? http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0510/0510154v1.pdf   Although the analysis has not been done it appears that your configuration may be another embodiment of a non radiating antenna -- which will act as an energy trap at the resonant frequency.

3. Have you tried any of the symmetric three loop(coil) tetrahedral topologies? If so have you tested both chiral forms and did you observe difference in the performance of left and right hand configurations?

4. Can you give any recommendations from experience of aspect ratio and number of turns for the exciter coils?

5. How do you define the tetrahedral volume -- are the exciter coils within this volume or radiating out from the volume?

6. You mention both harmonic of Fe NMR and natural resonance of coils (in reference to SM tuning of kick coils). For your tetrahedral design -- do you operate at "natural" resonance of the exciter coils or some other frequency?
As an aside here other researchers have reported the the exact frequency of this class of device is not critical but rather the natural resonance of the coils (not lumped resonance dictated by external capacitor). I am interested in your experiences.

7. Have you noticed the logarithmic dependency (increase) on applied voltage that others have observed?

8. Have you experimented with the harmonic make-up of the signal applied to the exciter coils? If so I am interested in what you have found to be efficacious in boosting the output.

9. Have you looked for spin (cold) current output? ... or have you always selected the output configurations to maximise normal bulk current?

10. What sort of drive circuits have you found most effective -- low impedance or high? Low or high side drive or both?

Sorry for the sudden slew of questions and comments. I have been quietly watching and comparing comments with other work. Please feel free to PM me if you wish.

...and no -- before anyone asks, I can not post more specifics in public at this time.

cheers

mark.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 28, 2008, 09:00:34 AM
I can also confirm a possible voltage amplification effect under no load resonant conditions.  I used an iron wire coil of around 10 turns for the delay coil.  First I established resonance of the bifilar coil without the iron wire; this was at 5.557MHz.  When I added the iron wire, the system detuned to a lower frequency of around 5.2MHz and the resulting peak-peak voltage was greater by around 20% (interesting how the two tests coincide).

I was driving the system with 10V p-p square waves through a 100K resistor, and the no-load p-p voltage was 11.4V.  When I switched the generator to sine wave, the coil p-p voltage dropped to around 8V.

In all cases the voltage scoped across the coil was a perfect sine wave.

I am not sure what to make of this...I am not seeing any sharply defined kicks, and this could just be simple resonant voltage rise occuring.  Shorting the 100K resistor destroyed any voltage rise as expected.

Any thoughts Spherics?

Eldarion
Hope you guys know that ANY coil works as a low-pass filter and that the low-passed square wave tone appears to have a higher peak-to-peak voltage, and that depends on the cutoff point of the coil. The higher the cutoff point, the higher will be the raise. Of course, this raise does not have any OU characteristics, because the effective RMS will be lower than that of the original square wave.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: otto on March 28, 2008, 09:37:18 AM
Hello all,

@Grumpy,

I see that you want exactly the same as Im doing.

1. use tubes - OK, you dont want them

2. pulse a flash unit from a camera, maybe without the big electrolytic cap, for a higher frequency - output  sine waves - remember the video? It looks to me that there is a little transformer from a flash unit sitting in the centre of the TPU AND if my memory is OK, under this little transformer was a extra coil.....hmmm...was it EM with his coils driving LEDs....

3. pulse a flyback transformer - output sines

4. build your little air transformer - primary - secondary and then connect 1 end of the primary to 1 end of the secondary so you have biiig signals

5. buy a little pulse transformer, connect this baby to have an high output voltage and pulse it. They can be pulsed in MHz, cheap, very good insulated between the primary and secondary.....I cant buy them....ha!!

As I cant buy them, I pulsed a little oridinary transformer 230V/12V but in reverse. Of course, 1 end of the primary connected to 1 end of the secondary. After 20 minutes of pulsing the transformer got hot but I saw a very nice spark and this means that I really had big signals. Yes, the iron core of the transformer got hot. We all know why but I only wanted to see the high voltage and I saw it!

When you rise the voltage of the pulses and when you feed them into our TPU you will have pulses in kilovolts because, as we know, the TPU already rises the voltage of the pulses.

I have only 1 question, as always: why square waves??? The TPU will anyway convert this square waves at some frequency mixes to sine waves. So why not use sine waves? Our master was talking about music, amplifiers, stereo....

At high frequencies, a sine wave looks like a kick. Or, if you stretch a kick from a square wave you will see.....hmmm.....a lot of .....

A few days ago I connected my scope to the loudspeaker from my radio. I heared the music and could see the waves. I hated myself because I didnt finish my tube oscillators. No time. I connected my TPU to this loudspeaker. It was clear that there couldnt be an effect but I was curious.

Otto
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: kames on March 28, 2008, 04:20:26 PM
I can also confirm a possible voltage amplification effect under no load resonant conditions.  I used an iron wire coil of around 10 turns for the delay coil.  First I established resonance of the bifilar coil without the iron wire; this was at 5.557MHz.  When I added the iron wire, the system detuned to a lower frequency of around 5.2MHz and the resulting peak-peak voltage was greater by around 20% (interesting how the two tests coincide).

I was driving the system with 10V p-p square waves through a 100K resistor, and the no-load p-p voltage was 11.4V.  When I switched the generator to sine wave, the coil p-p voltage dropped to around 8V.

In all cases the voltage scoped across the coil was a perfect sine wave.

I am not sure what to make of this...I am not seeing any sharply defined kicks, and this could just be simple resonant voltage rise occuring.  Shorting the 100K resistor destroyed any voltage rise as expected.

Any thoughts Spherics?

Eldarion
Hope you guys know that ANY coil works as a low-pass filter and that the low-passed square wave tone appears to have a higher peak-to-peak voltage, and that depends on the cutoff point of the coil. The higher the cutoff point, the higher will be the raise. Of course, this raise does not have any OU characteristics, because the effective RMS will be lower than that of the original square wave.


@aleks

I think people are aware of what you are saying. In my test the input and output pulses had identical shape. When I adjusted the scope to display both pulses with the same scale on the screen and put one on top of another, there was ZERO visual shape difference. That means, there was no ?resonance? as LC like and there was no effect of any kind of filtering.

Kames.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 28, 2008, 04:21:01 PM
Square wave!

I can get there with a voltage amplifier - thanks all anyway.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Feynman on March 28, 2008, 04:36:13 PM
Grumpy , did you get that schematic you were looking for?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 28, 2008, 04:45:58 PM
    Tesla figured out how to use a bifilar winding so that you didn't need an external capacitor to obtain a resonant circuit at highfrequency.  Just a coil and a frequency. Automatic resonance.  Genious.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_coil. 
   
    SM or Spherics or someone figured out how to measure the voltage developed across the bifilar "capacitor" when the current through the winding was phased displaced by the ambient magnetic field. 

    The coils as described will not give you much gain in and of themselves.  What it gives you is a moving magnetic field.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 29, 2008, 12:25:03 AM
It appears that a clean 300v sqaure wave is not easy.

EDIT: I'm going to cheat a little - hope 1 to 2kv will work.  No SS in the way.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Feynman on March 29, 2008, 12:41:46 AM
Marco has suggested to me to use tubes... my analog experiments has been with 12AX7s, you can get them in USA at Guitar Center. I think max plate voltage of 12AX7 is 330V.

Otherwise Maybe you can get your 300V+ with power stage tubes like 6L6?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: acerzw on March 29, 2008, 02:01:31 AM
I like Spheric's concept and am interested in simpler configurations (dare I say mobius) that could be created using the same basic principle, for if Spherics configuration is as efficient as he states in comparison to SM's then it will be overkill when only smaller loads are required to be powered. With this in mind I compiled a PDF of the basic principles of Spherics theory of generating excess energy from the ether, with the specific idea of isolating the core principles and as much generally useful information as possible, without being too device specific. I believe it will serve as a useful reference and have attached a copy to this post (text file only, due to forum's tiny file size restriction) should others wish to use it. It is really a quick-reference of the main points of Spheric's posts, the original posts should always be referred to if context is required, best be familiar with them anyway.

A

P.S. if you want the PDF, which is prettier and preserves the highlighting from Spheric's posts, you can PM me with your email address and I will send it to you.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 29, 2008, 03:05:46 AM

(snip)
This diagram shows you what is needed to get a kick, and view a kick on an oscilloscope.

No iron as a core. Wind on a stiff poly pipe. Use copper wire for the windings.
Keep the delay coil 2+ feet away from the bifilar coil.
Keep the bifilar as far away as possible from your oscilloscope and permanent magnets.
Pulse with a square wave.
Tune as per previous post.

Someone mentioned about connecting the oscilloscope.
Use two channels and connect two probes, one probe to each coil.
Not one probe across the two coils.


@ Kames and Eldarion

Good job. Time to test the pickup and look for some DC, perhaps.

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 29, 2008, 03:17:25 AM



The SM designs all work on the same set of principles. A pulse into a coil generates an expanding magnetic field. The magnetic field comes into being by an underlying patterning of the ether. It is a cascade action on the part of the ether that causes the EFFECT of an expanding magnetic field. If you then cause a second magnetic field to expand through the same space as the already expanding magnetic field, a specific cascading action, apattern is setup in the ether which is the EQUIVALENT of a magnetic field and has many of the characteristics of a magnetic field. By this I mean it will interact with metals, and cause the EFFECT of a current, IF the field is moving across the metal.  I will refer to this field as a COMP field from now on. But please be clear this COMP field is in addition to the expected magnetic field. This COMP field, a patterning in the ether, is dampened and effectively nulled by magnetic metals. This is why if you are using an iron core in the coils named control coils you will never get a working TPU.

No doubt this may be disconcerting to many who have fond references to baling wire, iron wire and the like. I will now digress onto the circumstance surrounding the initial eureka moment as I understand them. Audiophiles who frequent this watering-hole will no doubt have heard of QUAD ESL electrostatic speakers. An essential design element is the incoming signal is sent into, I believe, 7 or 8 progressive delay elements. These elements delay the signal by microseconds each time.

As part of experiments, associated with what would become his 3D spacial control patents, he was using these delay elements with custom made bifilar wound voice coils (i.e. air coils) and unexpectedly detected an anomolous signal on his spectrum analyser.

Steven Mark created his own delay elements using iron wire after several years of intermittent experimentation. The technique was to carefully wrap a bifilar air-coil using copper wire. The longer the length of copper the better but using identical lengths. The two coils were connected to the SAME pulse waveforms in parallel so that the magnetic field is additive NOT cancelling. The delay element was added in series to only one of the coils that made up the bifilar coil. The delay coil was made from insulated iron wire wound into an air coil. An oscilloscope was connected to both COPPER coils. The setup would be pulsed with a dc offset square wave (i.e. 0 to 20V not -10 to 10V) at the resonant frequency of the bifilar coils. The tuning consisted of cutting the iron wire down in length until an unexpected pulse/signal appeared. This pulse is the kick. I will refer to these tuned bifilar coils as kick coils.

You are privy to the information that the COMP field is nulled by iron. Those who so wish may like to take some time to fully comprehend the frustrations of closely packing the delay and bifilar coils together only to find the unexpected pulse was no longer appearing!!!  This is what SM had to contend. And Jack says SM was not technical. Bunkum!!

From traditional electrical engineering view point the kick coils for a particular quantity of energy now put out the expected magnetic field but also put out the COMP field which has effects like a magnetic field. In a world that excludes the ether, these coils are overunity. If the world took into account the ether, then the coils would not be thought of as overunity.

The magnetic field is now larger than expected. All that needs to be done is to rotate this field in a circle and intercept the field with an output coil. The captured energy is greater than the input energy because of the energy apparently created by the COMP field. If you arrange all N poles of the kicker coils so that they point towards the center and pulse each coil in turn you will get a rotating magnetic field. There are many ways to create a rotating magnetic field. A secondary effect of a rotating field is the entrainment of the COMP field so that the pattern in the ether is partially additive. A big problem was the iron in the delay coils. It was found that a large solenoid fed with a DC current to produce a static magnetic field around all of the kicker coils allowed the kicker coils to be tuned with the iron delay coils in close proximity.  (Bruce here:  This is a Static Magnetic DC Bias...Sound Familiar??   ;) )

Intercepting only N poles of the kicker coils means you get a DC output along with a smaller induced ripple from pulsing the kicker coils.

Feedback of the output into the input was achieved using toroidal saturable inductor switches. I've copied the picture from other messages of the inductor switches. Refer to the patent for an example to see how these switches are used. Early designs used a small magnet to bias the saturable inductors.

All SM devices had small batteries to power the LC oscillators. The LC oscillators were used as control pulse currents to the saturable inductors. To start the process high voltage capacitors were step charged, this is why the coils took time to start-up! The first few pulses came from these pre-charged capacitors being switched via saturable inductors. Part of the DC output was feedback to keep the capacitors fully charged.

My design shown at the very start of this message thread eliminated the need for an iron delay coil because the pattern is set up in the ether outside of the influence of copper metal of the control coils. It directly allows the COMP field to be generated IN FREE SPACE. By placing the output toroidal coil within this free space the COMP field is intercepted. The complete lack of any magnetic materials within this design is what allows this to happen.

I do believe there are elements of information here that you will not have been aware of before. I trust this is enough to convince at least some of you to reflect and ponder more seriously on this material.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19820016542_1982016542.pdf


Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MarkSnoswell on March 29, 2008, 04:17:05 AM
@bruce   and everyone

Iorn is not the only thing that will kill the effect... it's anything that unbalances the fields generated. The non radiating antennas are the same -- even although they do not radiate transverse signals they do radiate something -- and their delicate balance can be easily peturbed -- even by dielectrics close by.

The overall DC bias field in this case is simply to provide a static sielded environment. Electrostatic sielding is important here as well -- the same wires that provide the  steady magnetic environment also provide a steady potential environment.


Another thing... the interaction of the capacitance in oscilloscope probes with a resonant coil driven by high impedance (100K say) will result in a waveform that has a DC offset equal to the DC offset of the driving waveform. If you probe the environment around the resonating coil you will see that this static offset is not present -- it's a consequency of the oscilloscope capacitivly coupling the coil to ground. Now you can reverse this principal and bias your coils up to whatever potential you like and then easily apply a waveform on top of that via any number of methods (resistive, capacitive or inductive).


If you really want higher voltage square waves then just jack up the supply voltage to you Mosfets -- it really isn't hard. Iv'e done this for 500V+ supplies. The simplest supplies are simple voltage multipliers driven from main voltage. For saftey you would use a isolation transformer -- a pair or low voltage transformers back to back will work perfectly well for this.


Finally -- spherics mentioned ior wire delay loops giving micro seconds of delay... in my experience smal magnetic delay line loops give much shorter delays... which would be in keeping with other simillar device reports.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 29, 2008, 07:09:49 AM
     It is important to note that Spherics design does not use the magnetic delay coils.   As he noted it is going to be frustrating to get the kick coils timed so that a comp field is generated then when you get them around the collector windings and inside the control windings have the effect go away and have to retime.
     I do believe that in his design it is important to use bifilar wire when forming the 4 coils.  These coils then have the capacitance built into them for the needed resonance.  Any eddy currents will be captured by the parallel conductor.
    I question if there is a specific rotation of the phased pulses about the tetrehedral generator.  The orientation to the Earth energy fields and manmade fields was already noted in this thread. 
    Thankyou Acer for your compilation.   I also find the crop circle analogy in this thread quite interesting.  Three outer circles: expansion/ the plain sphere-  compression/  the phi spiral-  spin/  the pinwheel.   The three components needed for spherical resonant structures like the proton.  Then the captured field within the pyramid with what appears as scalar waves radiating outward from the whole structure.  The farmer who did this to his well maintained fields sure knew his physics. 
 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 29, 2008, 08:39:01 AM
It's laughable that any kind of wire can give microseconds of delay. EM field changes propagate at the speed of light. The only thing the iron wire coil can do is probably a higher self-inductance that basically works as a low-pass filter, probably with resonance. The only thing you are doing with cutting this iron wire is changing both the resonance (toward lower values I think) and frequency (toward higher values).

Of course, where resonance and low-passing happens, phase shifting also happens which can be also called time-shifting. However, this shift happens on some range of frequencies only.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on March 29, 2008, 03:27:16 PM
I fired-up my CAD program this morning in an attempt to 'calculate' the 'vertical rise angle' of the the three base-coils.

Projection angles from the top view are simple: 120 degrees; three points of an equilateral triangle pointed towards the centroid of this base triangle.  We can imagine arranging these three base-coils on a horizontal plane 'base board' in this 'three spoke' configuration as a starting point.

We can then angle each base-coil upwards to some number of degrees so that each base-coil now points towards the centroid of the tetrahedron.  Given enough time, I am sure that I could calculate this angle the old-fashioned way by using 3D trigonometry methods.  But since I plan to use CAD to design my coil support structure, I decided to cut to the chase and just measure my angles directly from a basic CAD framework.

I should be confident that my result of 19.471 degrees is accurate, but I have not been batting a thousand lately as evidenced by my editing of my last couple of posts here.  :-[

Has anyone else calculated this 'rise angle' of the three base-coils and have you obtained the same result?
Regarding this image posted earlier:
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4297.0;attach=20297;image)

The adjacent angle is: 180 - 109.5 = 70.5
The triangular complement is: 90 - 70.5 = 19.5, which is what I found.  :)

Regarding the image below: Yellow lines are the six edges of the tetrahedron.  Pink lines are on each triangular face, bisect each angle, and meet at the centroid of each face.  Green lines are inside the tetrahedron and connect each corner to the opposing triangular centroid, all crossing at the tetrahedron centroid.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Gustav22 on March 29, 2008, 03:45:08 PM
Hi Rosphere,
...
@Jdo300,

I will build the coil assembly if you make the 300V circuit.  (Nothing fancy now.)  ;)
...
so Jdo300 agreed to the deal?
That would be tremendous.
I wish you two the very best.

However, I dont' t understand why you have to calculate the "rise angle"

I think spherics has stated the numerical value of that angle:

... and the other 3 coils (X,Y,Z) will be pointing to wards the center BUT note the three coils will not be in a horizontal plane; they will be pointing 30 degrees upwards

Why would you think that 30? is not the correct and applicable value for the angle between the horizontal plane and the axis of coils X, Y, Z?

PS: I have once built a pyramid and I know that this 3D geometrical problems can be very daunting.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: tao on March 29, 2008, 04:01:03 PM
However, I dont' t understand why you have to calculate the "rise angle"

I think spherics has stated the numerical value of that angle:

... and the other 3 coils (X,Y,Z) will be pointing to wards the center BUT note the three coils will not be in a horizontal plane; they will be pointing 30 degrees upwards

Why would you think that 30? is not the correct and applicable value for the angle between the horizontal plane and the axis of coils X, Y, Z?


It is 30 degrees upwards from the horizontal, for the X Y Z coils, this is shown in my images.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on March 29, 2008, 04:27:27 PM
It is 30 degrees upwards from the horizontal, for the X Y Z coils, this is shown in my images.

tao,

I respectfully disagree.  See my edited post above for verification.

I assume that the basic shape is a 'regular' tetrahedron and that all four coils point towards the centroid.  A 30 degree incline will give you an elongated tetrahedron.  Please open up your CAD file and take some point-to-point measurements.  Do you find any inequities?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on March 29, 2008, 04:49:07 PM
... and the other 3 coils (X,Y,Z) will be pointing to wards the center BUT note the three coils will not be in a horizontal plane; they will be pointing 30 degrees upwards

Why would you think that 30? is not the correct and applicable value for the angle between the horizontal plane and the axis of coils X, Y, Z?

PS: I have once built a pyramid and I know that this 3D geometrical problems can be very daunting.

Yes, those are spherics words.  However, he started his post with four links about 'close packing.'  Close packing yields a 'regular' tetrahedron when connecting all four centers.

So, it appears that there is a discrepancy between the text and the close packing concept.  Until we get some confirmation from spherics, I will base my build upon the close packing angle of 19.5 degrees.  Others may use 30 degrees as explained in the text.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: omnispace on March 29, 2008, 05:01:08 PM
@aleks

Take a look at this page:
http://www.r-type.org/static/twta.htm (http://www.r-type.org/static/twta.htm)

"An anode voltage of 5 kV gives an electron velocity of 4.2 x 10*7 mso*-1. The signal would normally travel at c, the velocity of light (3x10*8 ms*-1), which is much faster than any 'reasonable' electron beam (relativistic effects mean that the electron mass actually increases as its velocity approaches c, so that achieving electron velocities approaching c is a complicated business), If, however, the signal can be slowed down to the same velocity as the electron beam, it is possible to obtain amplification of the signal by virtue of its interaction with the beam. This is usually achieved using the helix electrode, which is simply a spiral of wire around the electron beam...
...
The interaction between the beam and the slow wave takes the form of 'velocity modulation' of the beam (ie some electrons are accelerated and some retarded) forming electron bunches within the beam. The beam current therefore becomes modulated by the RF signal, and the bunches react with the RF fields associated with the slow wave travelling down the helix, resulting in a net transfer of energy from the beam to the signal, and consequent amplification. Since there are no resonant structures involved in this interaction, amplification is obtained over a wide bandwidth."

You can "slow down" a light-speed wave by making it run around in circles instead of a straight line.  This can be done without resonance, although I'm not sure how that will affect it as you approach the resonant frequency.  I believe that spherics' delay coil setup follows the same principles.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 29, 2008, 05:30:15 PM
    Can anyone verify how Spheric's design solenoid windings need to be built?   I believe he was talking about
SM's design when alluding to timing coils. 
    Another thought I had was that if two plates are pulsed with the control pulse and the solenoid windings phase pulsed would this allow for tangential geometric orientation of the solenoid windings.  The collector winding then could be placed inside the dc pulsed plates.  Just a thought to cloud the thread.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 29, 2008, 05:32:04 PM
Hello All,
It is encouraging to see some planning and build preparation going on.  Hats off to Tao and Rosphere and others working on the tetrahedron, while Kames, Eldarion, myself and others work on the "early bailing wire" TPU.

Here is a picture to assist the build of those working on what I will call the Early TPU or ETPU.  Feel free to make any corrections to the picture if you find an error.  In my mind there is only one unknown and I have marked that on the diagram.  Sorry there is no fancy 3D here.  I will leave that to Dr. Snoswell and others more gifted at that than I.   ;)

@ Eldarion
Time to awake "THOR" my friend.  I knew that controller would see the light of day again!!  LOL   ;) :D ;D

Cheers all,

Bruce

EDIT:
Go Here to download a much clearer image!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item24
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Dansway on March 29, 2008, 06:06:36 PM
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Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 29, 2008, 06:34:52 PM
@aleks

Take a look at this page:
http://www.r-type.org/static/twta.htm (http://www.r-type.org/static/twta.htm)
This is a helix around electron beam (helix around core under voltage). It's not the same thing as iron wire helix with air core discussed here. The air core does not have an "electron beam" to which the signal in the helix may add energy.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 29, 2008, 08:12:09 PM
 @omnispace

  I believe I described the same principle you describe with the electron beam modulator but instead of a beam I used the term potential energy distribution in the electron cloud of the conductor.  The pulse energy more or less tracing out the conductors electron dynamics.  The electron dynamics being a result of imposed waves.  The pulse energy is therefore modulated according to the waves interacting with the electron cloud created by the conductor valence shell electrons.  The pulse  propogates at near the speed of light through the electron cloud but is modulated by the state of the electron cloud.
   The iron reluctance of SM's timing circuit is altering the drift electron's inertial state before the pulse is initiated.  It is responding to ambient magnetic fields and in so doing is creating a voltage.
When the pulse is applied to the parallel circuit the electron cloud configurations (within the two conductors)  will have different inertial responses to the same imposed potential.  The potential energy pulse's magnetic field  propogation will therefore be altered significantly due to the anomaly between the electron cloud dynamics,  within the two parallel circuits.
   
    Edit:   Spheric's design seemingly does not need the differential response as described above, because he stated the comp field response is outside of the solenoids copper.  It is SM's design that needs the timing because his collector is within the solenoid fields.  The ambient potential fields energy wave needs to be received by the surface area of the solenoid coils not it's volume. The electron cloud I mentioned above is the reason for the skin effect in ac circuits.  I am thinking that the solenoid windings should be of flat webbed copper cable as would  be found on grounding conductors used on automobile frames to increase the surface area of the "antennae to mass ratio.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: omnispace on March 29, 2008, 08:44:13 PM
@aleks and sparks

The electron beam (or electron cloud as described by sparks) is used in the TWIT for modulation and amplification.  But I believe this is completely separate from the slow-wave phenomenon.  That is caused entirely by the geometry of the helix.

However, I do agree with sparks' analysis.  Is an electron beam in a (partial) vacuum any different from a electron current in a wire, other than the resistivity of the different mediums?  Could this be the reason for the dc bias, I wonder.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: eldarion on March 30, 2008, 01:18:09 AM
@ Spherics, all

I am in the process of constructing electronics to drive the 4-coil version shown on the first page, but am a bit concerned about the coils themselves.  How large should they be?  Is there a preferred length/diameter ratio?

If I wind a coil that is 2" long by 1/2" diameter and has 1000 turns on it, that coil should have an inductance of only 2.8mH.  Pumping a 300V square wave through such a coil, even at a high frequency such as 320KHz, is going to dissipate over 10W of power in the top coil alone. :o

On a more interesting note, the NMR frequency of iron is 323MHz.  Divide that frequency by 90 and you get 3.58MHz (a subharmonic of the iron NMR frequency).  3.58MHz is the frequency of the chrominance signal in an NTSC color TV.  It is interesting to note that the chrominance signal is delayed with a wire or piezo delay line to stay in sync with the B/W portion of the signal.  Seems like SM embedded clues all over the place, but you have to know what he is referring to in order to understand them! ::)

Divide 3.58MHz by 100 and you get 35KHz.  Divide by 15 and you get 240KHz.  Sound familiar?

I wonder if the two frequencies given were the resonant frequencies of the kick coil and the iron delay coil respectively?

Just some thoughts.

@ Bruce,

Yes, Thor may indeed rise from the ashes.  Perhaps it should be renamed Phoenix? :D 

I have a piezo delay line from an old color TV--the delay is 63 microseconds.  I might want to try that instead of the iron coil...

Eldarion
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on March 30, 2008, 03:31:39 AM
Which begs these questions:

1. Is iron needed in the design, or just a delay of xx us?
2. If iron is not needed nor used anywhere in the design (but a delay is), then why is the NMR frequency of iron being used?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: eldarion on March 30, 2008, 03:39:13 AM
Which begs these questions:

1. Is iron needed in the design, or just a delay of xx us?
2. If iron is not needed nor used anywhere in the design (but a delay is), then why is the NMR frequency of iron being used?

I have the same questions!

Since Spherics seems to have abandoned us, at least for now (last logon date was several days ago), I am going to halt construction of the test device until he provides some more information.  I have several other projects that need my attention right now! ;D

I did have a chance to test more of the iron-wire-delay version, and the only kicks I can see are of the normal inductive variety.

Spherics, are you coming back? ;)

Eldarion
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: tao on March 30, 2008, 03:40:56 AM
Which begs these questions:

1. Is iron needed in the design, or just a delay of xx us?
2. If iron is not needed nor used anywhere in the design (but a delay is), then why is the NMR frequency of iron being used?


From spherics's first post:

"Iron is magnetic because of the geometry and spacing of its atoms (stationary waves remember) which interact with the ether flow in a resonant fashion despite what you may already believe! The NMR is directly linked to this geometric spacing and hence to the resonant frequency of the ether."
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on March 30, 2008, 03:50:24 AM
If I interpret what spherics said with your slant on that paragraph, is this what he is saying?

The NMR frequency of iron also happens to be the resonant frequency of the aether, and therein lies the reason we use the NMR frequency of iron, whether iron is used as a delay coil or not.

???
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 30, 2008, 04:40:10 AM
Hey Guys,

PLEASE reread Spherics first post.  (As a matter of fact, all of them!)  Many of you are confusing his design with SM's early TPU.  Spherics design DOES NOT call for iron nor any delay.  Simply the correct arrangement of coils pulsed with the correct timing and the correct NMR of FE harmonics.

SM's early TPU has the iron delay coil.  PLEASE UNDERSTAND...You want the "COMP field" produced from the bifilar wound coil on SM's early version.  This is a LARGER magnetic field.  This is pulsed in rotation, with the magnetic north of each "Kick Coil" facing the collectors.  I spent hours drawing it up for you all, using Spherics description.  It is simple to build. 

@ Rosphere
You may be right, but the man says 30 degrees, and made it boldfaced.  You might try it his way first.

@ ALL
I know and understand that human nature is to change things, and to try to "improve" on them before you even have a working model.  As usual, I would say to "simply follow the man's directions and not change a thing!"

If you want to "experiment" with something, try using different size coils and wire since that is the only thing missing.

For SM's early TPU, use insulated iron for the delay coil like the man said.  Get it working as shown in my diagram, and then you can start changing things up.

Gauss strength of the comp field.  Huge magnetic wave.  Rotate the magnetic field at high speed.  It is all about the coils and their interactions with one another. 

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 30, 2008, 05:32:33 AM
Hey Guys,

PLEASE reread Spherics first post.  (As a matter of fact, all of them!)  Many of you are confusing his design with SM's early TPU.  Spherics design DOES NOT call for iron nor any delay.  Simply the correct arrangement of coils pulsed with the correct timing and the correct NMR of FE harmonics.

SM's early TPU has the iron delay coil.  PLEASE UNDERSTAND...You want the "COMP field" produced from the bifilar wound coil on SM's early version.  This is a LARGER magnetic field.  This is pulsed in rotation, with the magnetic north of each "Kick Coil" facing the collectors.  I spent hours drawing it up for you all, using Spherics description.  It is simple to build. 

@ Rosphere
You may be right, but the man says 30 degrees, and made it boldfaced.  You might try it his way first.

@ ALL
I know and understand that human nature is to change things, and to try to "improve" on them before you even have a working model.  As usual, I would say to "simply follow the man's directions and not change a thing!"

If you want to "experiment" with something, try using different size coils and wire since that is the only thing missing.

For SM's early TPU, use insulated iron for the delay coil like the man said.  Get it working as shown in my diagram, and then you can start changing things up.

Gauss strength of the comp field.  Huge magnetic wave.  Rotate the magnetic field at high speed.  It is all about the coils and their interactions with one another. 

Cheers,

Bruce

I second that motion. You guys can actually manage to confuse somebody that is trying to follow this verbatim. By the time they get to the end of thread, their has been too much additive synthesis to the original idea. Additional points that backup spherics posts are great as they help understand the same concept from multiple perspectives. But I have heard the man practically scream NO IRON ANYWHERE more than once and you guys are building iron coils? wtfita? I think you circuit building guys have too many options to play with and gets lost in the complicated translation.

FWIW. I am going to approach this from a musical point of view.  This gives me full control over frequency and phase as well as on the fly adjustments. I only have two channels to work with now so I will have to daisy chain an additional card before I can fire 4 coils up. As far as watts...Why in the world can't you just use a DC car audio amplifier? They're perfect...4 channels...the one I have is 2500 Watts. If you need more juice, just turn up the boost. HPF and LPFs built in as well. Maybe quit trying to build the blender everytime you want to try a new cocktail mix and just go buy a blender. If anyone has the means to try an audio approach, I have a nice simple phase adjuster as a dx/vst plugin as well as several software synths with square wave generators built in.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Feynman on March 30, 2008, 05:47:39 AM
Music is a good approach but it will give you an upper limit of 20khz



Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 30, 2008, 05:50:07 AM
Bruce,  thanks for the effort in drawing that diagram, but I don't see any resemblance to SM's first TPU.  In fact I don't think we should even bring up the name of Steven Mark on anything that is presented in this thread.  Spherics ideas are perhaps related to SM by the word ROTATE only, but then so are motors and wheels.

Then I have to wonder at this statement, just like poynt99 did:
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...Simply the correct arrangement of coils pulsed with the correct timing and the correct NMR of FE harmonics..

Why are we pulsing at NMR harmonics for Iron  (FE), if we use no iron in the design? Spherics said that originally, I know.  like tao quoted:

 
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The NMR is directly linked to this geometric spacing and hence to the resonant frequency of the ether.

This spherics guy seems to think NMR is based on geometry and spacing of atoms etc, and this shows how much he knows.   Perhaps he can answer the question why the NMR frequency is not FIXED and changes with a BIAS H field, or did he even know that.


Then spherics HINTS that SM discovered his "KICK" by playing with delay lines and bifilar speaker coils, well,  this  conflicts with what SM says himself, who's right?

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I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers...   ..
except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase.....

Just like GK said,  the closer we get the louder the noise....... 

EM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on March 30, 2008, 06:04:15 AM
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Many of you are confusing his design with SM's early TPU.

Actually, spherics is confusing his own design with SM's designs.

SM DOES NOT configure his kicker coils in the tetrahedral fashion spherics describes for his own design....period!

@ Bruce,

Which version are you trying to depict with your drawing, SM's or spherics'?

spherics' design doesn't use the iron delay line, and SM's coils are not configured that way, so I would say you might want to go back and read both SM's and spherics' posts. In both cases, your drawing would be in error.

btw, spherics is the one that departed from SM's design, and we are trying to understand it from his point of view, not change it.

@ EM,

I think spherics has hit on several key points of great value, aside from rotation, but I agree that there are too many inconsistencies to drop everything and start building it until several points are clarified.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on March 30, 2008, 06:15:06 AM
the only thing that intreagues me about spherics is that he brought some information about SM, even though it doesn't fit and his theory is flawed in my opinion.

This makes me wonder, is he an old timer that did what we are doing now,  back in the 90's?   and now he came back due to the intensity of this effort and Jack coming forward?  I think he and Jack know each other and previously interacted on a forum.

I think this might be the explanation,  these are old timers  (and even Jack claimed he disclosed some info at Kelly website before)  and it's interesting to see what kind of misinformation about SM, was flowing around back then.   Where did they get it?

EM
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on March 30, 2008, 06:18:51 AM
@ Rosphere
You may be right, but the man says 30 degrees, and made it boldfaced.  You might try it his way first.

@Bruce_TPU,

There is only one reference to the 30 degrees upwards angle.  (It may be emboldened because he wanted to emphasize the upward angle as it follows the text which states that the three coils are not on a horizontal plane.)

However, a reexamination of spherics first post shows eight text references and four links to the hexagonal packing tetrahedron which requires a 19.5 degree upwards angle.

There is an obvious discrepancy here: if the correct upwards angle is indeed 30 degrees then all of the other references to the HSP tetrahedron are incorrect. I believe that it is much more likely that the man made one mistake instead of twelve mistakes.  Or, he may be using an irregular tetrahedron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-packing

http://cst-www.nrl.navy.mil/lattice/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXO7-Lajxdg

http://www.everyscience.com/Chemistry/Inorganic/Ionic_Solids/a.1296.php

...To resonate with the ether a specific pattern is required. The spherical propagation of waves means that spherical packing dictates the precise location of electromagnet coils for optimum control. Review the files at the start of this posting. Hexagonal spherical packing (HSP) is where you need to focus. Many of you are unwittingly using face centered cubic ( FCC ) arrangement of coils. You will have limited success if your coils are placed according to FCC arrangements.

There is good reason for hexagonal packing as these scientists are beginning to comprehend.
Google the following terms to understand:  iron superconductivity hexagonal packing

All coils need to point to a central 3D location. If you look at the hexagonal packing the most basic arrangement is 4 spheres forming a tetrahedral. Place identical coils orientated so that the poles point to the dead center of the tetrahedral. You should imagine 3 spheres with one sphere on top. The top coil (coil A) will be pointing downwards and the other 3 coils (X,Y,Z) will be pointing to wards the center BUT note the three coils will not be in a horizontal plane; they will be pointing 30 degrees upwards...  If you set up according to hexagonal packing all coils are equidistant from each other and pointing towards a common center...

So, I first plan to use the pure tetrahedron with its 19.5 degree upwards angle.  I am also considering the design of a support structure with a potential future rework in mind so that I can simply insert three 10.5 degree wedges to get to the 30 degree upward angle, (and the vertically stretched irregular tetrahedron.)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 30, 2008, 06:25:05 AM
Music is a good approach but it will give you an upper limit of 20khz
I can at least go as high as 6 Mhz ...effectively higher by doubling the octaves. 20Khz is just the end of the audible range...it doesn't just "stop" there.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Feynman on March 30, 2008, 06:27:00 AM
@Rosphere

I think your exploration of 3D geometry modeling is excellent.  I will mention what I know regarding hexagonal close packing and tetrahedrons...


DNA is a charged molecule.  It is electronegative and repels itself.  (yes I am going somewhere with this!)   In bacteriophage T4, the well known virus that looks like a little spider, DNA follows hexagonal close packing, because it minimizes the potential energy of the DNA inside an icosohedron. The DNA is "pressurized" inside the virus capsid and configures itself into spiral crystal geometries.

(http://www.rkm.com.au/VIRUS/BACTERIOPHAGE/bacteriophage-T4-400.jpg)

(http://www.bact.wisc.edu/themicrobialworld/Viruses4.jpg)

(http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/resources/oceanography-book/Images/BacteriophageCartoon.jpg)
The shape of the viral capsid is ICOSOHEDRAL.  I don't know if this helps you, but it seems to me it's related to a tetrahedron.


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Snub_tetrahedron.png/180px-Snub_tetrahedron.png)
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Icosahedron with triangles colored to show construction as a snub tetrahedron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icosohedron


Anyway, I hope this helps and is not too off-topic; I definitely support the 3D geometry modelling.   Nature has built in geometries.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Feynman on March 30, 2008, 06:34:23 AM
konduct:  I've got a juno 106 synth but it don't go higher than about 22khz...how are you planning on doing the frequency doubling?   

Thanks
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 30, 2008, 06:40:58 AM
You guys have nerve to say you're getting closer. You mean that since someone from outside your circle gave you something somewhat concrete to go on? How is that or the resulting interest of others noise? Because it seems to be actually going somewhere, you deem yourself the masters and the newcomers "noise"? Please tell me I'm reading this wrong? I know everyone here has been working hard on this and I'm sure everyone wants to be the first to harness it. Just watch the egos...it's always been man's downfall. If someone makes a mistake...try and help them correct it. Like the 19.5 degree thing. I think he wants to use that because of the hyperdimensional physics relationship, but that only has to do with the points of tetraheron and where they line up on a sphere...19.5 has nothing to do with the internal angles.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 30, 2008, 06:46:43 AM
konduct:  I've got a juno 106 synth but it don't go higher than about 22khz...how are you planning on doing the frequency doubling?   

Thanks
FX...VST pitchshifter that double whatever the input is frequency is...basically octaves. Run one into another and you can go as high as you want in theory...although actual speakers don't like it too much. I am planning on using all digital generators and fx and running the output into a car audio amp. Send each of four total channels through its own channel on the amp so it a pure unmixed signal from start to end. That's why I need two more channels of output from the generators. I've got everything else I need though.

Juno eh? Good stuff. I've got a couple Tritons and a JV 2080 plus an arsenal of software synths.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Gustav22 on March 30, 2008, 07:57:56 AM
edit 3:
Initially I had posted an image here, which I thought would be helpful to find the correct coil arrangement.
But I then realized that it will just add to the confusion.
The correct way is to stick to spherics' original description
All coils need to point to a central 3D location. If you look at the hexagonal packing the most basic arrangement is 4 spheres forming a tetrahedral. Place identical coils orientated so that the poles point to the dead center of the tetrahedral. You should imagine 3 spheres with one sphere on top. The top coil (coil A) will be pointing downwards and the other 3 coils (X,Y,Z) will be pointing to wards the center BUT note the three coils will not be in a horizontal plane; they will be pointing 30 degrees upwards.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Feynman on March 30, 2008, 08:40:00 AM
Gustav , I agreed with what you posted! 

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Gustav22 on March 30, 2008, 09:34:23 AM
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Gustav , I agreed with what you posted! 
Thanks for your support Feynman, but the explanation and image I had originally posted above were not correct, as the image I had made did not lend support to a 30? setup.

I understand Rosphere's problem, as from this image
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Tetrahedral-angle-3D-balls.png
the 19.5? clearly seem to be the correct value.

Yet spherics states 30?.
How come?
Why did he not tilt X,Y,Z at 19.5? which would be the obvious angle, but mounts them at a steeper angle like 30??
Because if he would fix them at 19.5? the collector torroid would get in the way, i.e. the torroid would partly block the line of sight between the 3 base coils and the center. So he has to tilt X,Yand Z steeper, in order to fire the pulses through the doughnut hole into the center.

As the collector torroid is not allowed to "overlap", see spherics' 1st posting.
With X,Y,Z mounted at 19.5? a collector torroid of the correct dimensions as specified by spherics would overlap into the firing line.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MarkSnoswell on March 30, 2008, 10:24:04 AM
for everyones info:

You can not fill 3D space with regular tetrahedra. For those interested tetrahedra can be stacked linearly and they for a tetrahelix.  google tetrahelix for more information.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 30, 2008, 10:31:07 AM
I have a piezo delay line from an old color TV--the delay is 63 microseconds.  I might want to try that instead of the iron coil...
This is a much more realistical thing. Piezo delay should be a broad-band delayer for the most part. Iron wire just delays the highest frequencies only (but for 3.5MHz should work, of course), maybe working as an all-pass filter.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 30, 2008, 10:39:41 AM
konduct:  I've got a juno 106 synth but it don't go higher than about 22khz...how are you planning on doing the frequency doubling?   

Thanks
If that helps, you may try using a signal multiplier chip (valves can be used for that, but that's a complex biz). You may shift the 22kHz signal to any frequency by multiplying it by the carrier frequency sinusoid (which may be even 1MHz sinewave) - well, some "dirt" will be left as negative frequencies in the original waveform signal will be shifted as well.

Actually, it can be a nice approach overall since you can use PC soundcard to define waveforms and explore different waveforms in an automatic way. Well, if the multiplier is precise you may even left your new square wave generator alone. (on the other hand, no, it's not useful due to negative frequencies shift).

If you can find a "complex" number multiplier chip (which should take 4 inputs and produce 2 outputs) you can shift any waveform precisely. You then just need to create a waveform in quadrature (it's pretty easy to do in a computer by using a linear-phase Hilbert transformer). Other 2 inputs of the chip should carry sine and cosine waves of the required shift frequency.

I think such "complex" multiplier can be created out of 2 normal multipliers if you care about 1 output only, or 4 multipliers if you need all 2 outputs.

http://www.directindustry.com/prod/analog-devices/signal-mixer-multiplier-22009-194871.html if that helps. AD8343 sounds like a good variant as its inputs can go from DC: depending on the  performance of the chip (it's not given on the page in enough detail) and your circuitry you can have gigahertz square or sawtooth (or any other form) waves.

For some really versatile base signal generation you could tie some multi-channel PC sound card with ASIO drivers that is able to run at 192kHz samplerate. For example, if you get a 8 input/8 output card you can produce at least 2 complex signals (on 4 outputs) + have 4 outputs for various aux signalling (just make sure sound card's inputs and outputs are not high-passed: high-quality audio cards do not use DC filters because of phase-linearity considerations). 8 inputs can be used for various low-frequency measurements (you may tie another multiplier with a sinewave oscillator to move any gigahertz oscillations to the low-freq range, so this whole approach is very scalable and tunable if you can get the multipliers and oscillators to work).

You may then build any signal I/O environment you like with such pro audio software like SynthEdit or SynthMaker http://synthmaker.co.uk/ well, at least you'll be able to search for resonances and create required waveforms quickly. For some CVS spreadsheet'ing it's not suitable - on the other hand you can create your own C modules that may help collect required statistics easily. Just to let you know, modern audio cards have extremely low harmonic and IM distortions, and high SNR: 100 dB is a common number, much better than what valves can have.

(example schematic below, 'complex quadrature' is a base waveform signal with its quadrature counterpart synthesized by software means - complex quadrature signal does not have negative frequencies, 'freq voltage' is a DC voltage used to define oscillator frequency)

NOTE

Hrm... all that work just to realise that multiplication shifts frequencies. So, if you have F1, F2, F3 in the signal, multiplication by FF will yield F1+FF, F2+FF and F3+FF frequencies. This won't maintain signal's shape as harmonic relationships will not be maintained. Sorry for a misleading post. :) On the other hand, sound card can be used for quick prototyping and various measurements.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on March 30, 2008, 04:11:49 PM
So far the frequency numbers that keep coming up from the users here are sub-harmonics of the NMR of iron.

egs. 3.5 MHz, 35 kHz, etc.

spherics clearly states "The frequency should be a harmonic of the NMR of iron".

@spherics, this needs clarification please.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: konduct on March 30, 2008, 04:25:53 PM

Hrm... all that work just to realise that multiplication shifts frequencies. So, if you have F1, F2, F3 in the signal, multiplication by FF will yield F1+FF, F2+FF and F3+FF frequencies. This won't maintain signal's shape as harmonic relationships will not be maintained. Sorry for a misleading post. Smiley On the other hand, sound card can be used for quick prototyping and various measurements.


It could if you wanted it to but the mix can be 100% dry (orig signal) or wet(higher signal).  It splits it into two separate signals. Again...overcomplicating things...if the audio gear had all this noise or wasn't suitable for something like this, it probably wouldn't sound good coming out of the speakers either. My rig sounds nice. The most distortion I may get would probably come from the amplifier.  But I think that the ability to adjust things on the fly or even better, I can automate changes of any of the parameters...I can set up sweeps...cool down intervals...anything. I really think this is going to be like taking a Ferrarri to a gokart track!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 30, 2008, 04:40:45 PM
(Snip)
Coils XYZ are pulsed at frequency F1

F1 is either the NMR frequency of FE or that frequency Divided by 3

with a phase of 120 degrees between each coil. 
Coil A is fed a frequency of 3 x F1

Coil A is either fed the NMR frequency of FE or that frequency multiplied by 3

and has a phase of 0 with respect to the other coils.

In other words:
When air-core coil X pulses so does air-core coil A.
When air-core coil Y pulses so does air-core coil A.
When air-core coil Z pulses so does air-core  coil A.

The frequency should be a harmonic of the NMR of iron. Do not use iron anywhere in your device this will only cause huge eddy current problems. Iron is magnetic because of the geometry and spacing of its atoms (stationary waves remember) which interact with the ether flow in a resonant fashion despite what you may already believe! The NMR is directly linked to this geometric spacing and hence to the resonant frequency of the ether. If you pulse iron wire at iron's NMR you'll get a minor resonance effect even if the coil is not tuned to that frequency. Steven Mark was utilising this effect along with the timing delay action of iron wire to generate a rotating magnetic field of the correct frequency. The requirement for coil A to pulse in time with the other coils was not understood by SM who unwittingly incorporated its effect via interaction of several coils. A testament of observation over emperical understanding!

To complete the picture the intercept coil can be an air-core toroidal coil placed in a horizontal plane halfway between the top coil and the bottom three coils sized so that the outside of the toroid would touch, but not overlap, the imaginary planes of the tetrahedral pyramid sides. The diameter of the toroid hole should be the same as the diameter of the toroid windings for optimum results but quite frankly you could stick two solid 1 cm diameter 3/4 circle copper bars into the field and measure substantial voltage and current.

I trust you'll appreciate the risk you are now all taking. Too many of you are tempting fate by feeding the output back into the input. Consider 1000 fold output power over input. Oh yes, these are the levels you are potentially working with. 100Watt goes to 100KW. With no feedback this is a major copper vaporising experience. With feedback your momentary 100KW goes to a potential 100MW but more realistically 1MW or less as wires vaporise. How on earth do you think you and your house will survive such an event ?????????????????

I've shown enough for you to now understand with what you are playing and a schematic outline of a relatively safe design that will get you the results that you desire.

I've taken the liberty of posting whilst on vacation. Good luck.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 30, 2008, 05:04:46 PM
A couple of things that everyone should know.

SM stated, in his email response to the Bob Boyce .PDF, that it took them years to understand that they could not understand WHY it worked!  So once again, Spherics is correct.

SM stated, "That it would take a hundred years before anyone found the correct frequency."  And it would have had not Spherics given it to us.

Some of you fail to realize the momentous occasion this is.  I am stunned.  Being a skeptic is fine, but open your mind.  Let's build both Spherics version 2008 TPU and Spherics explanation for the Early TPU. 

Over the many months, some have made preconception of how the TPU works, and this, for you does not fit.  I am sorry.  Our versions were always missing the two most important factors, and I have shouted it from the rooftops:  The CORRECT frequency(s) and the RMF or rotating magnetic field. 

Many of us wanted the solution to be something that fit into our preconseption.  Spherics has seemingly improved on the original design and took time to understand "WHY" it works, so that such said improvement could be made. 

Secret Frequency:  NMR of FE and its harmonics

SM's Early TPU:
A minimal delay in a split signal, resulting in a huge magnetic field.  I would also pulse this with a "harmonic" of the NMR of FE.  I can picture in my mind why the NMR of FE would work, but I can not yet put it into understandable words.

IMHO:  This is the real deal and the long sought after answer.

Did SM's later TPU's wire up different?  I am sure.  They learned to use the static magnetic dc bias on the control wires (Kick coils) and more collectors, etc.

Lastly, Spherics choice of "Spherics" for a user name ought to tell you something, if nothing else.  SM's company name, that we did not know until the DAY AFTER Spherics first post.  Come on guys, let's finally make something that works. 

Cheers all,

Bruce
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on March 30, 2008, 06:10:59 PM
Just a random thought guys... Iron is the most stable element, higher elements are trying to decay to become iron and lighter elements try to become iron from the other end of the scale.  Iron sits in the middle and all atoms desire to be iron...

Why iron is the most stable?  It has the best interaction with the Aether?  Surely no co-incidence...


D.

PS. Bruce, how many stars do you want next to your name?!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on March 30, 2008, 06:12:55 PM
Whoops...  Double post...
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 30, 2008, 06:28:30 PM
Just a random thought guys... Iron is the most stable element, higher elements are trying to decay to become iron and lighter elements try to become iron from the other end of the scale.  Iron sits in the middle and all atoms desire to be iron...

Why iron is the most stable?  It has the best interaction with the Aether?  Surely no co-incidence...


D.

PS. Bruce, how many stars do you want next to your name?!
Because Earth's core is pure iron  - I've read that somewhere. Probably all we are getting is the energy from Earth's massive iron core. I mean, such massive amount of iron creates an "iron'ish" potential (and resonant) field making everything strive to become iron (since it's the lowest potential state - it's always easier to resonate together than to struggle with resonance). Well, if this fact can be used to "steal" resonant energy, that's to the better.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on March 30, 2008, 08:20:56 PM
    The Earth as well as the Sun must just be inertial fields capturing potential energy in their fields from the aetheric black energy waves.  Little bubbles in a sea of potential energy going every which way.  This raises the possiblity of there being all sorts of dark matter that is capturing the aetheric energy.  Dark suns and planets and maybe dark beings of intelligence.  They just don't work the aether the same way our sun does.
    The matter at hand about the NMR of iron is a tricky one.  If iron changes it's atomic structure in response to a magnetic field, would it not be resonant at all frequencys that produce a magnetic field.  Perhaps we should be looking for the time it takes for iron to respond to Earths magnetic flux density.  If the Earth's flux changes then this would be a result of Earth's response to aetheric wave inertia.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: kames on March 30, 2008, 08:27:02 PM
I have a piezo delay line from an old color TV--the delay is 63 microseconds.  I might want to try that instead of the iron coil...
This is a much more realistical thing. Piezo delay should be a broad-band delayer for the most part. Iron wire just delays the highest frequencies only (but for 3.5MHz should work, of course), maybe working as an all-pass filter.

@ aleks
You are somewhat nullifying what you have said a couple of pages back.
There is no problem to measure and/or use a delay using a time period. However, when talking about emf speed propagation, the delay measured in time periods with little coils hardly has any meaning. In this aleks you were correct (see your own answer). Don?t just think in pure electronics terms.
A simple point is missed. It is not a delay measured in mks, ms or any other time period. I guess it was just an expression for better understanding from shpeics. If you can measure a delay, it is probably already too late. We are talking about a delay measured in ?. Take a guess.

One rides his bicycle behind another. Both perform the same amount of work, the same weight per unit of distance per unit of time. However, the second one needs significantly less energy spent for it. At electrons or emf propagation speed level, the thing might be much more interesting than just a simple bicycle example.

Kames.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 30, 2008, 08:46:00 PM
I have a piezo delay line from an old color TV--the delay is 63 microseconds.  I might want to try that instead of the iron coil...
This is a much more realistical thing. Piezo delay should be a broad-band delayer for the most part. Iron wire just delays the highest frequencies only (but for 3.5MHz should work, of course), maybe working as an all-pass filter.

@ aleks
You are somewhat nullifying what you have said a couple of pages back.
There is no problem to measure and/or use a delay using a time period. However, when talking about emf speed propagation, the delay measured in time periods with little coils hardly has any meaning. In this aleks you were correct (see your own answer). Don?t just think in pure electronics terms.
A simple point is missed. It is not a delay measured in mks, ms or any other time period. I guess it was just an expression for better understanding from shpeics. If you can measure a delay, it is probably already too late. We are talking about a delay measured in ?. Take a guess.

One rides his bicycle behind another. Both perform the same amount of work, the same weight per unit of distance per unit of time. However, the second one needs significantly less energy spent for it. At electrons or emf propagation speed level, the thing might be much more interesting than just a simple bicycle example.

Kames.


Well, yes, I'm somewhat nullifying what I have said (not much, though, since piezo effect should have much longer delays - hence I've used 'much more realistical' word combination).

These 'delay coils' (including piezo effect based one) are probably working just like low-pass filters inducing some group delay well below the cutoff point. I'm not fighting against the fact of delay, but with the word "delay". It should have been written as "phase shift" at certain frequencies.

By the way, if we consider piezo effect and its acoustic nature (say if it is an air-based piezo effect), 63microseconds equals to 21millimeter space which is pretty OK to consider a broadband delay - not what happens inside the wire. I mean, you can have a broad-band 63musec delay with piezo effect just at the distance of 21millimeter space. This is totally real. Attaining broad-band delay with wire is questionable, and should be considered a phase shift instead.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: acerzw on March 30, 2008, 09:26:17 PM
@Bruce

I !00% agree with your belief this the real deal, there are so many things that Spherics posts explain about the original TPU and its method of operation, there are many small details which would be extremely difficult to build into a credible story. The biggest thing for me on this is my intuition is screaming that it 'feels' right.

Those who do not agree should sit back and wait... if it does not work then you can say 'told you so' and everything will move on, but I don't think that going to happen. Tesla was a builder and he built, if he had just theorised or followed convention he would not have achieved anything. We know all the current theorys are incorrect, and that is demonstrated adequately by 10 years of replication effort, where much has been learnt but the goal has not been reached. Theories are convenient abstractions, but abstractions are not things, and cannot capture every detail because they are vast simplifications. As the old Zen saying goes 'A finger pointing at the Moon is not the Moon'.

Lets not kill of this effort with though experiments, Tesla would not have. An Einstein was much a fan or any theory including his own.

A
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 30, 2008, 09:47:21 PM
Lets not kill of this effort with though experiments, Tesla would not have. An Einstein was much a fan or any theory including his own.
The only thing I'd like to justify is the NMR of iron and how much "ambient" it is. Well, normal magnetic field measurements give low values which should equate to measurements of low-passed signal. Such approach cannot detect energy at higher frequencies. OK, let's pretend Earth produces a lot of magnetic field oscillations at NMR frequency of iron (due to its iron core). What kind of "directionality" these oscillations have? In my opinion NMR oscillation should be ambient since atoms all "resonate" being at different and changing positions within the atomic lattice. If this is the case then a "non-linear" magnetic flux tapper (mentioned in some post on this forum) would be possible as the ambient resonance is not a DC field. So, let's hope this is the real source of energy. I would be pretty unhappy if my hypothesis of nuclear disintegration happening in TPU proves to be correct (though, the Hutchinson effect should be it I think, as it causes anti-gravity field, but this effect is probably unrelated to SM's TPU at all).

Note that by "ambient" I mean a DC field with an oscillating intensity in all points of space this field occupies. So, the simplest "test deck" would be creating an oscillating DC magnetic field and trying to tap energy out of it. And so, if you succeed at tapping enough energy with some resonator device, you'll be able to tap Earth's magnetic energy if tuned to the iron's NMR frequency. Well, these are just speculations.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: kames on March 30, 2008, 10:32:38 PM
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...Attaining broad-band delay with wire is questionable, and should be considered a phase shift instead.

@aleks

Why not to go even a simpler way? Why not to measure the delay in distance between two pulses propagation? Measuring it as a phase shift might be correct as long as we don?t talk about impulses or really short pulses. Phase shift might not be applicable in this case. What spherics has described was that SM was playing with audio signal and delay lines. But the audio signal is a set of a lot of different signals, including pulses and impulses. When there are a lot of them a delay in ms or mks might show occasional interaction reflected in the spectrum change. If one wants to play with a single pulse or impulse, such a long delay won?t show anything. I have played with delays in a range of ms and mks before and I had zero results. I used a single pulse or impulse, ie, very long duty cycle.

Kames.


Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: b0rg13 on March 30, 2008, 10:49:45 PM
A couple of things that everyone should know.

SM stated, in his email response to the Bob Boyce .PDF, that it took them years to understand that they could not understand WHY it worked!  So once again, Spherics is correct.

SM stated, "That it would take a hundred years before anyone found the correct frequency."  And it would have had not Spherics given it to us.

Some of you fail to realize the momentous occasion this is.  I am stunned.  Being a skeptic is fine, but open your mind.  Let's build both Spherics version 2008 TPU and Spherics explanation for the Early TPU. 

Over the many months, some have made preconception of how the TPU works, and this, for you does not fit.  I am sorry.  Our versions were always missing the two most important factors, and I have shouted it from the rooftops:  The CORRECT frequency(s) and the RMF or rotating magnetic field. 

Many of us wanted the solution to be something that fit into our preconseption.  Spherics has seemingly improved on the original design and took time to understand "WHY" it works, so that such said improvement could be made. 

Secret Frequency:  NMR of FE and its harmonics

SM's Early TPU:
A minimal delay in a split signal, resulting in a huge magnetic field.  I would also pulse this with a "harmonic" of the NMR of FE.  I can picture in my mind why the NMR of FE would work, but I can not yet put it into understandable words.

IMHO:  This is the real deal and the long sought after answer.

Did SM's later TPU's wire up different?  I am sure.  They learned to use the static magnetic dc bias on the control wires (Kick coils) and more collectors, etc.

Lastly, Spherics choice of "Spherics" for a user name ought to tell you something, if nothing else.  SM's company name, that we did not know until the DAY AFTER Spherics first post.  Come on guys, let's finally make something that works. 

Cheers all,

Bruce


GREAT! so its finally here and working for a change?....or at least on paper?. :o
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 30, 2008, 10:55:32 PM
Quote
...Attaining broad-band delay with wire is questionable, and should be considered a phase shift instead.

@aleks

Why not to go even a simpler way? Why not to measure the delay in distance between two pulses propagation?
You'll need kilometers of wire to have a measurable broad-band (group) delay in wire. 1kHz RF wave is 300 km long. If you want to cause a cancellation with two-way approach you'll need 150km of wire.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: eldarion on March 30, 2008, 11:08:57 PM
I would like to correct a previous posting of mine--Omnispace has gently reminded me that only the real portion of the wattage mentioned must be dissipated as heat.  So if the circuit can recover the back-EMF spike from the coil, the power dissipation will be much less.

I wish Spherics had provided even rough dimensions for the coils in his design--I will be using 1.25" long by 15/16" inside diameter air-core coils with around 275 turns of 24ga. wire on them (this just happens to be the exact dimensions of the coils that come from RadioShack!  ;)  I've gotten lazy...)

The main concern I have about the information presented here is that the NMR frequency of iron is not constant!  It will vary with external magnetic field strength.  I may have an idea, however, that would also explain the shutdown when flipped over on SM's device:

Quote
Earth's field NMR
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) in the geomagnetic field is conventionally referred to as Earth's field NMR (EFNMR). Note that the same acronym is used for electric field NMR.

EFNMR is a special case of low field NMR.

When placed in a constant magnetic field and stimulated (perturbed) by a pulsed or alternating magnetic field, NMR active nuclei (such as 1H or 13C) resonate at frequencies characteristic of the isotope. The resonant frequencies and signal strengths are proportional to the strength of the applied magnetic field. Thus in the 21 tesla magnetic field that may be found in high resolution laborotory NMR spectrometers, protons resonate at 900 MHz. However in the Earth's magnetic field the same nuclei resonate at audio frequencies of around 2 kHz, generating very weak signals.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_field_NMR

Of special interest is that the NMR frequencies are now shifted down into the kilohertz audio range!  The H bias coil may very well be required simply to shift the NMR frequencies higher for more power extraction or less required coil mass.

Eldarion
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 30, 2008, 11:22:23 PM
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_field_NMR
Of special interest is that the NMR frequencies are now shifted down into the kilohertz audio range!
They should have performed this test with Fe. Unfortunately NMR measurement they did with H and C does not work with Fe. :) This is unrelated to SM TPU research.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: kames on March 30, 2008, 11:26:55 PM
Quote
...Attaining broad-band delay with wire is questionable, and should be considered a phase shift instead.

@aleks

Why not to go even a simpler way? Why not to measure the delay in distance between two pulses propagation?
You'll need kilometers of wire to have a measurable broad-band (group) delay in wire. 1kHz RF wave is 300 km long. If you want to cause a cancellation with two-way approach you'll need 150km of wire.

@aleks

Wrong.
I am talking about a very tiny delay. You still didn't get my point. My point is that a delay in a range of ms or mks is toooooo big. That is the point. I am talking about the delay that one cannot measure easily. That is why I said measuring in distance. And the delay has to be very stable and precise.
In addition, when an impulse is sent to the wire, there is no such a thing as broad-band. Check out the behavior of the inrush current before the magnetic field is established. Like a stand-alone impulse. It is a completely different story. Then read what SM said about the way his electrons are traveling.


Kames.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 30, 2008, 11:34:30 PM
One note to everybody thinking in about "symmetry" aspect. Fe (iron) has cube lattice, no tetrahedrons and such here. So, original spherics' "close packing" of bubbles example is unapplicable here. On the other hand, iron (as other Face-centered cubic metals) does exhibit some icosahedron symmetry when it melts down (I've taken this info from a scientific paper). If Earth's core stays in liquid state the liquid iron may have some icosahedron symmetry.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 30, 2008, 11:35:50 PM
In addition, when an impulse is sent to the wire, there is no such a thing as broad-band.
Well, I leave this to you as I do not understand you, sorry.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: eldarion on March 30, 2008, 11:35:59 PM
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_field_NMR
Of special interest is that the NMR frequencies are now shifted down into the kilohertz audio range!
They should have performed this test with Fe. Unfortunately NMR measurement they did with H and C does not work with Fe. :) This is unrelated to SM TPU research.
???

Iron 57 has NMR frequency of 3.237778 relative to H1, so its frequency in the Earth's field should be around 6.475KHz.

I know iron 57 is quite rare, but Spherics did not specify which isotope of iron he was referring to, and iron 57 is the only isotope that exhibits NMR if I recall correctly.

Eldarion
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Localjoe on March 30, 2008, 11:37:57 PM
@Bruce

Remember when DFRO mention PHI in his post.

 And take for instance my research into this feild showing that freq's that are multiplies of phi for instance .618 , 1, 1.618 , 3.236  are creative when hetrodyned with each other.  A lot becomes more clear. we were dam close well at least i know GK was going to test those freq for me .. I asked the poor guy a buncha times  ;) ;D  Almost felt bothersome.. but i guess i was right on.   The other freq to mix should be in keeping with the exponet pattern PHI 1PHI 2 PHI
                                                                                                                                       Joe

PS Quick refrence

 1 X 1.618= 1
 2 X 1.618= 3.236
 3 X 1.618= 4.854
 4 X 1.618= 6.472      6.475KHz ...pretty darn close
 5 X 1.618= 8.09
Ect ect  ......
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 30, 2008, 11:44:59 PM
Iron 57 has NMR frequency of 3.237778 relative to H1, so its frequency in the Earth's field should be around 6.475KHz.
You can't know for sure as you can't measure magnetic resonance of iron directly (from what I've read NMR technique does not work with ferromagnetic substances).
Beside that 2kHz is probably some natural harmonic of Earth's magnetic field - it's the closest one to H1's NMR harmonic (which is 900MHz in scientific conditions) that can at least induce some change. Well, your 6.475KHz is not a valid deduction I think.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Localjoe on March 30, 2008, 11:46:54 PM
HOLY CRAP


ALEKS im glad you repeated his post i didnt read it but look at mine above and my freq table.... i think hes right on track and that confirms it.. wow freakin wow... PHI

@Eldarion

AWSOME FIND BRO PLEASE READ MY ABOVE POST
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: eldarion on March 30, 2008, 11:49:22 PM
Iron 57 has NMR frequency of 3.237778 relative to H1, so its frequency in the Earth's field should be around 6.475KHz.
You can't know for sure as you can't measure magnetic resonance of iron directly (from what I've read NMR technique does not work with ferromagnetic substances).
Beside that 2kHz is probably some natural harmonic of Earth's magnetic field - it's the closest one to H1's NMR harmonic (which is 900MHz in scientific conditions) that can at least induce some change. Well, your 6.475KHz is not a valid deduction I think.
OK, I was pulling my data from here: http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Fe/nucl.html
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 30, 2008, 11:51:57 PM
HOLY CRAP
ALEKS im glad you repeated his post i didnt read it but look at mine above and my freq table.... i think hes right on track and that confirms it.. wow freakin wow... PHI
Well, it's relative to H1. At the moment I can't clearly see a relation of H1's resonance, Fe's resonance and PHI*2. Maybe they are related, maybe not.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 30, 2008, 11:54:34 PM
OK, I was pulling my data from here: http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Fe/nucl.html
This page shows 100MHz, Wikipedia shows 900MHz for 1H (proton). Who's right? :)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: eldarion on March 31, 2008, 12:04:41 AM
OK, I was pulling my data from here: http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Fe/nucl.html
This page shows 100MHz, Wikipedia shows 900MHz for 1H (proton). Who's right? :)

Wikipedia is for a 21 Tesla field; that page was for a 1 Tesla field.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: kames on March 31, 2008, 12:10:08 AM
In addition, when an impulse is sent to the wire, there is no such a thing as broad-band.
Well, I leave this to you as I do not understand you, sorry.

@aleks,

A long time ago in this forum, I posted a link to a web site showing a graph of the inrush current before the magnetic field is established. I am lazy to search for it again, sorry. It shows that the inrush current at the beginning has a parabolic form, not linear.
Before that post, I described one of my test with BEMF and a simple transformer with two identical coils. The BEMF wasn?t my point. The point was that when an impulse is sent to a transformer after any residual field is gone it behaves in completely different way. In that test I described how the input and output was measured, all at DC level. What it showed that the output current was exceeding the input (two identical coils!!!) by about 30% (if I remember correctly) and all, again, was measured after using rectifies and smoothing capacitors. However, it wasn?t overunity. The point was, don?t send the next impulse while there is any residual magnetic flux left (that is where an iron core might be a problem, but I am not sure). What spherics is describing is a little different. He is saying that one should send the second impulse right after the first one and at the same time as close as possible to get into the space of the expending field created by the first impulse. That is where my example with the bicycles is coming from. So, here are two conditions. One is that the pulse has to be short enough to avoid any residual flux left for the second pair of pulses, and each second pulse in each pair of pulses should be very close. What spherics is describing is that there is a strange effect discovered with the above conditions.

There is something else to notice. Spherics is saying that any magnetic core is going to kill the effect. Maybe. What about the first open tpu? Don?t we have really heavy saw blades in there?
Here is another thing. The second open tpu. A lot of people have noticed that two wires are soldered together at one end. I had a look at those pictures again and again. And I have noticed that in at least of a couple of other pictures another side of the two wires also seems to be soldered together. Isn?t it strange???


Kames.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 31, 2008, 12:11:17 AM
Wikipedia is for a 21 Tesla field; that page was for a 1 Tesla field.
Probably I do not understand this NMR biz that much. It seems that resonance changes with magnetic field intensity. However, what I've read about NMR measurements is that they are made with oscillating intensity. How can they measure resonance at all? Well, if they do it, then your estimate of 6.475KHz for iron in Earth's magnetic field is a correct one. Though, I do not understand how can they measure some resonance if the field is static. Probably they are using an additional weak oscillator, and the static field is considered to be "ambient conditions" (like bias signal).
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 31, 2008, 12:24:19 AM
HOLY CRAP


ALEKS im glad you repeated his post i didnt read it but look at mine above and my freq table.... i think hes right on track and that confirms it.. wow freakin wow... PHI

@Eldarion

AWSOME FIND BRO PLEASE READ MY ABOVE POST

By the way, take a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icosahedron @ picture called "Golden rectangles in an icosahedron". Makes you think considering liquid iron exhibits icosahedron symmetry.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Localjoe on March 31, 2008, 12:29:51 AM
@aleks and Eldarion

  
Frequency relative to 1H = 100 (MHz) 3.237778

2 X1.618 = 3.236  Iron's NMR - Earth has a spinning molten iron core as far as i know

4 X 1.618 = 6.472  Darn close to 6.475KHz which is proposed for the earths magnetic feild/ the cores magnetic feild

This device has been related many times to our planet and how it converts energy i just wanted to make those facts known again if folks had forgot

As well another good catch its a platonic solid... the ratios of pythagoras .. Plato directly relate to PHI hmm shite is comming together
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on March 31, 2008, 12:44:20 AM
@ Bruce,

You've just skirted around every point I brought up, and have muddled the facts even further.

btw, Spheric Audio Labs was "known" on this forum almost a year ago. Where are you getting your info from?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on March 31, 2008, 12:47:21 AM
One note to everybody thinking in about "symmetry" aspect. Fe (iron) has cube lattice, no tetrahedrons and such here. So, original spherics' "close packing" of bubbles example is inapplicable here. On the other hand, iron (as other Face-centered cubic metals) does exhibit some icosahedron symmetry when it melts down (I've taken this info from a scientific paper). If Earth's core stays in liquid state the liquid iron may have some icosahedron symmetry.

There is no relation between a tetrahedron and a cube.  ;)

http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/database/QQ.09.00/nishi1.html (http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/database/QQ.09.00/nishi1.html)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on March 31, 2008, 01:16:27 AM
...I believe that it is much more likely that the man made one mistake instead of twelve mistakes...

My apologies to the ladies.  I automatically assume spherics to be a man.

I have worked alongside many talented female engineers in my time.  It just seems like there are few to none in this 'biker bar' forum.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on March 31, 2008, 02:00:01 AM
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Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 31, 2008, 03:44:56 AM
Max Freq. for me is around 30 Mhz, but I hope to see something.......


@ Loner
Start off using the right frequency and it's harmonic, or any tests are going no where.  Sorry, but you need more MHz. 297 times more.

Bruce
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Feynman on March 31, 2008, 04:20:51 AM
I think I just realized something important... maybe this has already been mentioned, but does anyone else see these are the same harmonics that Dr. Stiffler has been looking at?

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To test for core resonance points, capacity couple to the aluminum backing plate with no more than 27pf cap in series with the hot lead of the generator. The ground of the generator is not connected to the circuit in any way. A sweep generator fed through the coupling capacitor should show responses in the following ranges. (Valid for coil L2+L3 specified in parts list)

1.2 MHz +/- 100KHz
3.3 MHz +/- 200KHz
10.4 MHz +/- 100KHz
12.1 MHz +/- 200KHz

These frequencies fall statistically within the same area as that found in earlier circuits using similar cores and coils.

The followingg material resonance points are being noted for Barium and Iron for 1 Tesla.

135Ba  4.2581 v/MHz
137Ba  4.7633 v/MHz
 57Fe   1.3815 v/MHz

source: http://67.76.235.52/ce4.asp
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 31, 2008, 09:14:04 AM
There is no relation between a tetrahedron and a cube.  ;)
http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/database/QQ.09.00/nishi1.html (http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/database/QQ.09.00/nishi1.html)
The relation is really is only partial. Metals in solid state have no bonds across tetrahedron edges. On the other hand, resonance may not be about bonds, but about fitting symmetries. In that case tetrahedron may fit well here.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 31, 2008, 09:20:23 AM
Or am I way off the mark?
It depends on the actual nature of the magnetic field oscillations. If they are ambient you do not need to follow any 'structures'. If these oscillations are somehow 'polarized', you'll need to find a 'synced' arrangement, and this is where knowledge about iron symmetries in various substance states (soild, liquid) may help - of course, if Earth's liquid iron core magnetic resonance energy source is a valid hypothesis.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: tao on March 31, 2008, 10:51:10 AM
SIMed, just like in this post: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4297.msg85750.html#msg85750

But, done with an angle of 19.5 instead of 30...

For your visualization pleasures...


(http://i25.tinypic.com/2zqzj0y.gif)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on March 31, 2008, 01:38:56 PM
One is that the pulse has to be short enough to avoid any residual flux left for the second pair of pulses, and each second pulse in each pair of pulses should be very close. What spherics is describing is that there is a strange effect discovered with the above conditions.
As I've suggested several times already, using pure sawtooth signal may help overcome problems posed by square waves to this TPU business. Sawtooth should be good not only in my 'DC acoustic wave' hypothesis (in hopes to create anti-gravity field), but it may help to "kick" the coil in TPUs in a most effective manner since sawtooth has no "counteracting" pulse front - sawtooth basically has a single raising (or falling depending on the polarity) pulse front, the "body" of the sawtooth is putting all voltages and currents to rest, gradually, without causing any unwanted transients (RC low-passed sawtooth should be even a better thing).

There is something else to notice. Spherics is saying that any magnetic core is going to kill the effect.
Well, if the energy is really is coming from Earth's iron core, any local magnetic core will be "stealing" the juice I think. On the other hand, I believe magnetic core may be used as a flux "amplifier": you just need to tune to it somehow (my funny device shows one variant where iron screws are connected with aluminium +/- terminals http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4338.0.html), or put this core into a superconductivity state (which is hard to do in normal conditions, of course).

Ha ha, what if permanent magnets are permanent because Earth itself supports their energy? :)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: orbs on April 01, 2008, 01:58:30 PM
I do not understand why people want to make things so complicated.

One 74HC4017 (http://nxp.com/pip/74HC_HCT4017_3.html) and one OR gate looked simpler to me than several integrated circuits, at least for an initial testing...

Quote from: Earl
One uses a shift register where all stages are clocked synchronously.  Nothing else.

OK, sound advice. Building on the rapid fire rat race controller (http://overunity.com/index.php/topic,2582.msg38506.html#msg38506), one could use a 74AHC164 (http://nxp.com/pip/74AHC_AHCT164_2.html) with a 74VHC27 (http://fairchildsemi.com/pf/74/74VHC27.html) and 74AHC377 (http://nxp.com/pip/74AHC_AHCT377_1.html) to generate same pulses as with the 4017 but with the nice symmetric delay properties of the 377. Unfortunately, 377 available as SMD only.
[Details: connect Q1..Q6 of the 164 to two NOR gates of the 27, and their output to the 2 data inputs of the 164. This creates a self-initializing shift register that rotates a 2-cycle pulse with a period of 9 cycles. Connect Q0/Q3/Q6 to the third 27 NOR and its output to E of the 377. Then connect Q1/Q4/Q7 to the data inputs of the 377. This yields the output signals for the first 3 coils. The 4th coil signal is connecting E of the 377 to one of its data inputs and the output again to an input, i.e. twice in sequence, to get the pulse delayed/shortened the same as the others. The 164 and the 377 use the same input clock signal.]

Quote from: Earl
For precise timing, one does not use counters and state decoders, nor microcontrollers, nor DSP.

Well, if one does use an embedded controller already, then it looks like an AD9510 (http://analog.com/AD9510) clock divider is pretty good. It has 4 identical outputs (twice) that can be programmed to generate the signals for the 4 coils (one divide-by-3 with 33% duty cycle and three divide-by-9 with 11% duty cycle and 0/3/6 cycle phase shifts).

For a clock generator, the AD9912 (http://analog.com/AD9912) DDS looks pretty nice, although somewhat expensive (some $70). However, it has some nice properties that make its use convenient: very high frequency output resolution and built-in comparator to generate square wave output. And the interesting part is, it is used by HAM amateur radio operators, so there are already people out there who have some experience with it. While it looks like overkill to have a device designed to generate high quality sine output to then just make it into a square wave signal, it allows very fine frequency adjustments that make it simple and flexible to use (see also AN-823 (http://analog.com/AN-823) and AN-837 (http://analog.com/AN-837)).

Apparently it's better to use an external main clock source like the Epson Toyocom EG-2102CA (http://www.epsontoyocom.co.jp/english/product/OSC/set04/eg2102ca/) PECL instead of the internal PLL of above devices. Below are some pictures taken by radio operator DL7IY [dl7iy(at)darc.de] from his article about the AD9912 (http://analog.com/AD9912) in FA 3/08 (http://box73.de/catalog/pdf/008-03.pdf) (German magazine Funkamateur (http://funkamateur.de)).

[Note that there are hyperlinks in above text that become visible when you mouse over them or use the Tab key.]
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Earl on April 02, 2008, 11:18:10 AM
I do not understand why people want to make things so complicated.

One 74HC4017 (http://nxp.com/pip/74HC_HCT4017_3.html) and one OR gate looked simpler to me than several integrated circuits, at least for an initial testing...

Quote from: Earl
One uses a shift register where all stages are clocked synchronously.  Nothing else.

OK, sound advice.

Danke fuer Dein Post.  FA ist nicht schlecht, habe aber kein Abo.

I am real busy at the moment, don't really have time for a reply.

RE AD DSP, those little things are very difficult to solder.

Viel Glueck beim basteln and c u soon.  73, Earl
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on April 06, 2008, 08:03:58 PM
SM Quote:
Quote
- The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils.

spherics made no mention of any horizontal coil other than a toroid (collector) coil (which has vertical windings) centered between the xyz and A coils. He said tao's depiction was correct.

spherics is saying that the collector and control (kicker) coils are reversed comparing his and SM's, and that the kicker coils are bifilar solenoids oriented inward and not part of a toroid config.



Is this thread dead? or am I just way behind everyone else?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: omnispace on April 06, 2008, 09:29:55 PM
spherics is saying that the collector and control (kicker) coils are reversed comparing his and SM's, and that the kicker coils are bifilar solenoids oriented inward and not part of a toroid config.

The bifilar coil was for an experiment meant to demonstrate a concept.  I do not think it was meant to be a part of Spheric's TPU.  The positions of the 4 coils, and the interaction of the pulses provide the same effect as the bifilar experiment, but in a controlled manner where the energy can be collected.

Basically, as I see it, the top coil pairs up with each of the 3 control coils and takes the place of the bifilar windings.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: mfred68 on April 07, 2008, 12:22:03 AM
Hi everyone, this is my first post, i have just joined as i am also seeking the golden information of the SM TPU, as i want to build one to power my home, but after many days of reading 100s of posts about it on here, it all seems to boil down to coils getting "kicks" at the right phase and frequency, and everyone seems to be talking about making the nessesary frequency generators to drive the coils, i even read somewhere that SM explained that tubes (valves) work best, but one thing i'm still confused about (which i'm sure many of you are too) is that by watching the SM videos of the 3 different sized TPU's in opperation, none of them appear to have electronic control circuitry connected to them! they really look just like self contained toroids, so where are the tubes SM talked about? and where are the 3 frequency generators with the heat sinked mosfets? and the battery supplying them for start up?

I also just read that Steven Mark is ill and has cancer, dose that mean that if he did pass away, that the secret behind this technology will never be revield?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on April 07, 2008, 01:44:32 AM
spherics is saying that the collector and control (kicker) coils are reversed comparing his and SM's, and that the kicker coils are bifilar solenoids oriented inward and not part of a toroid config.

The bifilar coil was for an experiment meant to demonstrate a concept.  I do not think it was meant to be a part of Spheric's TPU.  The positions of the 4 coils, and the interaction of the pulses provide the same effect as the bifilar experiment, but in a controlled manner where the energy can be collected.

Basically, as I see it, the top coil pairs up with each of the 3 control coils and takes the place of the bifilar windings.

i agree with you that the bifilar may not be part of spherics' design, i don't think he was clear on that, but my point was not that, it was what happened to the horizontal collector coil, and in general the whole configuration? Read my post again.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: mfred68 on April 07, 2008, 02:01:41 AM
I agree with you Nomen luni
that a lot of this could quite easily be fraudelant claims, and i am skeptikal about it all, but theres this little voice inside me that keeps urging me to look into this deeper, its mainly because i want this to be true, but so much dos'nt add up, like why would SM use a gigsaw to cut a chunk out of the side of his large tpu? he is effectivly destroing a one of a kind, and if it was to proove what its made of, would it not have been better to dimantle it in reverse order? and if it was such a major breakthrough in science in the first place, why is he filming it in a very amature way and with the video being 10 years or so old, it kind of makes me wonder if it is a hoax, but as i said, i want it to be true so im still waiting for positive answers, but if we all have to wait a life time to get these answers, they would be virtually useless for our enjoiment if we are already so old with not much time left, (at least future generations can benefit) but we want answers now.

If OU was really a possability and a prooven fact, why is everything still at experimental levels? should we not be starting to see scematics that work, and kits of parts that build a working product, better still finnished ou generators for sale!

forgive me everyone for sounding negative, but i have only just joined OU.com and have read 100's of pages, but i have yet to see a finnished ou item that works, have i missed it somewhere, is there anyone who has acturally created an OU generator, TPU or otherwise that is prooven to work?

I have bought several reels of magnet wire and magnets in the hope to build my own ou device, this was before i discoverd this site, but now that im here, im more interested in the TPU and i have constructed the coils earlier today, but i kind of lost faith after assembling them and then being stuck as to how to wire them up as SM did his, but i guess thats nothing new to you lot as you are also struggling along just like me, i really hope this is not a hoax, it could be an expensive "all for nothing " project, but i live in hope!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: hakware on April 07, 2008, 03:21:37 AM
I think its entirely possible to use undertones of the NMR frequency to get the same results without having to inject 640Mhz or more into these coils, which is a difficult task to say the least and would require the use of tubes to get the voltages mentioned +300V to drive them.

the NMR frequency is said to be 3.23 if hydrogen is 100Mhz so there would be 323Mhz if you use 323Khz its 1000th harmonic would be the advertised NMR of iorn.

this site seems to provide some clues as to what you can expect when calculating frequencies and the NMR of an element

http://www.nyu.edu/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/aj39/NMRmap.cgi

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: aleks on April 07, 2008, 09:55:01 AM
http://www.nyu.edu/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/aj39/NMRmap.cgi
This one shows quite opposite. For 400MHz proton freq it shows  12.951MHz for iron.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: ecc on April 07, 2008, 11:51:23 AM
Is the1OO MHz quoted as a NMR frequency value for Hydrogen truly its frequency or is this an arbitrary value? The latter would suggest that the true frequency for iron could be something else as the suggested 3.23 MHz or
1.3815 v/MHz or whatever. Are there other things to consider?

If so, what is then  the real frequency which would give a field representation of iron in that rotating vortex? And what would be a promising hamonic (2,3,6,9,  sub harmonic?) to that frequency?
Is there anyone here who can shine an educated light on these matters?
 
Thanks
ecc
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: hakware on April 07, 2008, 08:08:43 PM
This is the problem, there is a lot of differing information on the NMR of Iron itself. the proton frequency of 400 on that site can be changed to reflect a lower value and hence a lower NMR for Fe.

Im still trying to find the exact frequency via other channels.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: kames on April 11, 2008, 02:55:12 AM
Some of you probably read this link, some probably didn?t. I read it a long time ago and a couple of days ago again. Something made me to rethink about the control coils. I don?t know who posted it but it is interesting to read, especially one?s thoughts about the control coils.
http://freeenergygroup.com/?page_id=4


Kames.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on April 11, 2008, 03:23:57 AM
Some of you probably read this link, some probably didn?t. I read it a long time ago and a couple of days ago again. Something made me to rethink about the control coils. I don?t know who posted it but it is interesting to read, especially one?s thoughts about the control coils.
http://freeenergygroup.com/?page_id=4


Kames.

A graph on that link looks exactly like one posted by Feynman.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg87216.html#msg87216 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg87216.html#msg87216)

http://freeenergygroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/6in_2ch_hi_1.PNG (http://freeenergygroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/6in_2ch_hi_1.PNG)

GO FISH!  :D
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Gustav22 on April 20, 2008, 06:33:39 PM
Hi MeggerMan, Earl etc.

thanks to MeggerMan's posting of a digital logic circuit simulation here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2582.msg86713.html#msg86713
I finally managed to get a bit more familiar with the concept behind Earl's rat race circuit. (I had no idea about digital logic stuff)

I drew up the following, which seems to give roughly  the same signals as suggested by spherics in his first posting in this thread.

My question is:
Is this circuit (see illustration) technically sound and can I simply put four Mosfets in place of the four LEDs to control the 300 VDC - coming from a voltage doubler from AC mains signal - to pulse spheric's four coils X, Y, Z and A ?

I attach the source code of the simulation, which can be used here:
http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MeggerMan on April 20, 2008, 11:56:09 PM
@Gustav,
300V, don't be so silly. Start off at 1V and work your way up.
You need to drive the mosfet with a mosfet driver like the UCC37324 or something with a very fast on/off time and able to handle about 4A or more. You also need some very fast mosfets too with a fast on/off time to avoid heating at the higher frequencies.
Picture here is a mosfet solder to a PCB heatsink and being pulsed at 1MHz. The IC on the board is the driver(not in use).
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/1Mhz_signal.jpg)

I use a 30V 3A variable voltage/current bench power supply so I can start low and work my way up.
You need to scope the output across the coil because your back EMF will most likely kill your mosfet if your pulse voltage is too high.
Like this:
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/Inverter_testing.jpg)
I'm surprised that hardly anyone has built a test rig to try out Spherics idea yet.

I want to put together this circuit soon and give it a try.
Regards
Rob
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Gustav22 on April 21, 2008, 05:30:00 AM
Hi Rob,
thanks for your reply.
@Gustav,
300V, don't be so silly. Start off at 1V and work your way up.......
Sure, you are right.
But I assume my logic circuit (see my previous post) to get the pulse sequence spherics recommended is ok !?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Gustav22 on April 21, 2008, 09:13:02 AM
Thanks for your comments Loner,
...
I'll post any results on the "Results" thread.  Starting the test NOW!!!!
I hope you will be able to measure a signal on the collector-toroid.
Any old signal there would be great. Good luck.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: ketone on May 14, 2008, 06:03:16 AM
Hello all,
               This is my first post so i thought i'd keep this thread going since it sparked my interest in the tpu.  i was hoping to get some feedback on this prototype i came up with, I'm winding the coils with kynar wire about 750 turns each and was thinking to use sandwich layers of cpacpacpacpa (copper,plexi,aluminum) as the collector coil as i heard somewhere that when exposed to a mag field a high voltage is exhibited across plates. Any feedback, criticism is appreciated  :)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on May 14, 2008, 06:16:38 AM
Hello all,
               This is my first post so i thought i'd keep this thread going since it sparked my interest in the tpu.  i was hoping to get some feedback on this prototype i came up with, I'm winding the coils with kynar wire about 750 turns each and was thinking to use sandwich layers of cpacpacpacpa (copper,plexi,aluminum) as the collector coil as i heard somewhere that when exposed to a mag field a high voltage is exhibited across plates. Any feedback, criticism is appreciated  :)

the field must cross the collector.   Stick with toroidal collector like Spherics showed for now.  He stated that two coppers bars would also indicate the effect.

Great-lookin build.  Need to catch up...


P.S.  - nice sink
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on May 14, 2008, 06:20:08 AM
replace the metal components with nylon or delrin equivalents.

McMaster.com has them - fast shpping.

Alternate is to hot-glue with plastic - get 'er dun!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on May 14, 2008, 06:23:37 AM
  @Grumpy

    Do you think that the interior of the coils need to be manipulated so the kick doesn't end up getting absorbed there. 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on May 14, 2008, 06:29:36 AM
  @Grumpy

    Do you think that the interior of the coils need to be manipulated so the kick doesn't end up getting absorbed there. 

No.  Keep the core "air"  - low loss plastic if you want - PVC is marginal - Teflon is great - rolled poly sheet is quick and easy.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on May 14, 2008, 06:31:57 AM
Tip from Eric Dollard:

"matter" will distort the field.  This includes insulators.  He felt that the rod-type supports were best - better than solid plastic which is worst.

Just get a kick at this point though
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: ketone on May 14, 2008, 07:08:04 AM
replace the metal components with nylon or delrin equivalents.

McMaster.com has them - fast shpping.

Alternate is to hot-glue with plastic - get 'er dun!

Thanks for that Grumpy i thought of using nylon, as of now , they are nonferrous (brass)..has anyone had progress with a circuit ., i'm leaning towards Earls rat race controller, since i have been offline for awhile , have there been any developments in circuitry? oh and a big thanks to overunity for making the net what it was meant for, liberation through bringing ideas together  ;)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MarkSnoswell on May 14, 2008, 09:39:50 AM
arggg... my tounge is getting hurt from biting it so hard. Enough!

Spherics description has some remarkable consistencies... but lets get the things I dont agree with out of the way to start with... There is one slip up (the 30 deg angle) that I think is an honest mistake and one thing I disagree with (the iorn related NMR and special topology).

I cant believe that no one here has noticed the *exact* match between the kick coil description and the coil and drive described in the Italian Energia patent. Unless one is copying the other this provides mutual support for this mechanism.

The description of the inital discovery and development is highly plausable and consistent. SM was into audio development -- to gain lower impedance in voice coils bifilar winding is a good way to go. It is also plausable to apply slightly delayed signals to the windings (short enough delay not to affect the audio response) in an attempt to further reduce the impedance. Acording to Spherics this led SM to notice the kick effect -- exactly as the Energia patent also documents.

As for the final evolved configuration that Spherics starts with. This reduces to a non-radiating antenna configuration with fleid rotation. I doub't Spherics or co-workers new this. Non-raditaing configurations are a very recent discovery and very little known. A consequence of non-radiation at resonance is that the antenna will actually trap energy at that frequency. These configurations will deliver energy into heating any nearby material that unbalances the configuration. When balanced they are truly non radiating at the resonant frequency. In the far field the fourier energy at the resonant frequency falls to zero.

@keytone
Any unbalancing of a non-radiating antenna configuration will destroy it's effect -- this includes magnetic materials *and* dielectrics anywhere close to it.  What support materials you do use should be radially symetric about the vertical axis.

@all
here is a controller circuit I have designed and tested -- it works perfectly in practice -- This will all be documented and released shortly along with an advanced half bridge mosfet switch design that will let people switch reactive loads hard (under 10ns) from 0 - 500V or more at up to 5MHz. Again this has been designed and tested already - it's just waiting for prototype boards and broader testing before fully documenting and general release.

This control circuit will generate relative pulse durations or user selectable fixed pulse widths. It's good to about 40MHz using 74F seris logic (you need 74AHCT for the 123 as it's not availble in the 74F part).

Note: with the drive waveform Spherics suggests all four coils will resonate at the *same* frequency -- at resonance. This results in a virtual dipole with a rotating field. Around this - exactly half way up, is a toroidal coil. This dipole and toroid are the non-radiating antenna configuration.

 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: BEP on May 14, 2008, 01:43:45 PM
@Mark

You do realize with the non-radiating dipole you will be dealing with inverse cube vs. inverse square?
Also 'effective' dimensions vs. actual dimensions?

In Spheric's coil design I see two angles of simultaneous rotation (the axis of each of two coils ON at the same time). What do you propose is being rotated? Surely the ambient charge but would there be more?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on May 14, 2008, 03:23:48 PM
In Spheric's coil design I see two angles of simultaneous rotation (the axis of each of two coils ON at the same time). What do you propose is being rotated? Surely the ambient charge but would there be more?

a little area of space that has a varying density and hence varying rate of entropy than the surrounding space..yada yada

Let's see, looking from the top, as the coils are pulsed:

 
    .

o     O


Looking at the side:

o  .  O


Looks like you might have a difference in density in two directions - formed into a loop - how quaint...like a corkscrew around the toroidal ring's air core just like the wire or maybe like a varying magnetic field in the air core space - take you pick.

(above based on work of Wilbert Smith)

At this point, one might wonder what really causes "induction" since "time" is so inexorably attached to this effect.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: wattsup on May 14, 2008, 03:38:41 PM
@MarkSnoswell

My main problem with the @sperics design is that basic problem of energy expended versus energy captured by the toroid. The energy required to generate the fields via coils, in order for them to push their fields out far enough to cover the toroid, will always be greater then the energy the toroid will be able to absorb. So for this to work, you will require a novel energy recovery system to capture the flyback form the coils and re-cycle it back into the system and/or a new toroid design that exhibits exeptional field capture.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on May 14, 2008, 05:19:52 PM
@MarkSnoswell

My main problem with the @sperics design is that basic problem of energy expended versus energy captured by the toroid. The energy required to generate the fields via coils, in order for them to push their fields out far enough to cover the toroid, will always be greater then the energy the toroid will be able to absorb. So for this to work, you will require a novel energy recovery system to capture the flyback form the coils and re-cycle it back into the system and/or a new toroid design that exhibits exeptional field capture.

Why do you think this is the case?  The "collector" in spherics 4-coil arrangement is a first order toroid.  It's tempic field is perpendicular to the toroidal ring shape that it occupies and hence in all directions inward/outward from the surface.  I would think it would be an excellent candidate for induction via a rotating tempic field.  Solenoid, on the other hand, has the wrong orientation and would not recieve the coils influence, so to speak, and the rotation would not cross the wires, but would move along them - just ain't what you need - it has to move across the wires.

Going further along these lines, a solenoid produces a tempic field perpendicular to it's surface as well.  So, this would be inward/outward from the side as well as the ends, the field at the ends may extend a greater distance than the field at the sides, as I believe it is concentrated there.

Spherics also stated that two copper rods would also indicate a current -

Quote
The diameter of the toroid hole should be the same as the diameter of the toroid windings for optimum results but quite frankly you could stick two solid 1 cm diameter 3/4 circle copper bars into the field and measure substantial voltage and current.

I took this to mean that these two copper rods, bent into a 3/4 (270 degree) circle are oriented verticle or horizontal, but not centered - hence the voltage and current would vary depending on the angle and position in relation to the field.  Again, the tempic field has to move across the conductor and interact with the conductor's own fields.  How does the current come from an open wire?  Ancient Chinese secret - it is already in the conductor - you just make it move.

Enough time wasted trying to explain something that I only vaguely understand, time to build the thing - got to catch up with Ketone - who else is game?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: wattsup on May 14, 2008, 07:52:27 PM
@Grumpy

There is nothing vaguely about this to understand. You need energy to produce a field. If you know the type of coils you want to wind, this should give you the energy you will require to generate a field. You can also measure in advance the distance this field has to permeate to cover the toroid. Add this to the energy expended from the top coil at each bottom coil iteration. This is the energy you will spend. Then see if your toroid can absorb at least that much energy. I am not saying it is impossible, far from it. Now if the toroid is simply a one layer 360 degree tight wound configuration, I would say forget it and do not waste your time. You will need a toroid that extends as a three dimensional object with maximum depth to capatilize on the fact that the rotating field is also in three dimensions.

What I mean is if your toroid core (or air core) was let's say 1/2" in diameter. You start your winds at let's say 1/4" apart as a first layer. You then put a 1/8"-1/4" padding over this layer then continue to wind a new layer again at 1/4" apart per turn, then add another layer of padding, then do another layer of turns, etc.  You do this until you are satisfied of the overall toroid thickness. This will produce a 3 dimensional toroidal component through which the rotating field can move without risking what I would imagine will be the main issue, and that is field deflection (which is not what you want). Think of it like a toroidal skewer. When you use a skewer to mix cooking ingredients, your need minimal force to produce maximum mix.

The neat thing is you can always increase the layers and re-test to see the difference of production per added layer.

Also, don't forget that with such a design, you are still losing at least 1/2 the field going in the other directions. That's always the bummer. Unless you add four smaller toroids on the other side of each coil or if there was any novel way of reflecting the lost field back towards the toroids. lol
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on May 14, 2008, 10:23:53 PM
@Wattsup

You are thinking way too conventional...
You try to model away things you know by the book.
This is not the way to go.
We are dealing with other things here and it is not right to approch them using conventional science.
I have no idea if i made this clear but i just want to say, this thing is diffrent.

M.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Feynman on May 14, 2008, 11:45:58 PM
@Mark

Very much enjoyed your post and attached diagrams.

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8427/flipflopqm7.jpg)

<3 <3 FLIP-FLOP
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on May 15, 2008, 12:05:21 AM
@Wattsup

You are thinking way too conventional...
You try to model away things you know by the book.
This is not the way to go.
We are dealing with other things here and it is not right to approch them using conventional science.
I have no idea if i made this clear but i just want to say, this thing is diffrent.

M.

Well said, Marco.

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Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on May 15, 2008, 06:41:19 PM
I got these stepper-motors from a guy in a parking lot today.  It went down like a drug deal for geeks.  :D

Now all I need to do wrestle me some free time to design and build a coil winder around them.

(Photo taken on 1cm square grid.)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on May 15, 2008, 07:23:25 PM
Treid to post this before and it got nuked...

Based one the explanation of packing and stablity, etc. I believe that for an arrangement of 4 coils at 90 degrees to work in a stable way, two other coils have to be added to form an actahedral arrangement.  This is similar to Marinov's arrangement where he used only one DC-fed coil around the other four and produced a "pulsar beam" out the top of the device.  Having a coil at top and bottom may contain the energy and explain why some strange anomolies have been encountered with the 4-coil arrangement and multiples of 4 in a flat plain.

It is my interpretation that all 6 coils in the octahedron arrangement should have the same pole pointing toward a common center.  Depending on the parameters the rotating field may devlop in the 4-coil arrangement which is probably not a good thing, so various parameters would have to be tried to find the correct ones.  It is probable that the optimal dimensions would change with the driving parameters whcih determine where the field occurs.

Of course, the tetrahedral arrangement uses only 4 coils.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on May 15, 2008, 07:25:17 PM
 Take a close look at the CTC-5 chasiss :)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: zerotensor on May 15, 2008, 08:17:18 PM
Attached is a tested print for a Spherics Type circuit.
...
@all
here is a controller circuit I have designed and tested -- it works perfectly in practice --
...

Looks good - just make sure you put protection diodes across the coils to prevent back-emf from destroying the AND-gates and oscillator.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: zerotensor on May 15, 2008, 11:42:27 PM
Looks good - just make sure you put protection diodes across the coils to prevent back-emf from destroying the AND-gates and oscillator.
And / or OR or NOR or NAND or XOR or ... fffftttt.    The LOGIC.  Protect the logic.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MarkSnoswell on May 15, 2008, 11:45:08 PM
Looks good - just make sure you put protection diodes across the coils to prevent back-emf from destroying the AND-gates and oscillator.

The half bridge design that is not only tested and working it's got lots of protection as well... way more robust than anything I have found yet. It should even be better than any of the SSTC (Solid State Tesla Coil) drivers out there.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MarkSnoswell on May 19, 2008, 09:39:40 AM
Half Bridge switch circuit is too big to load here --  and it needs documenting. However here are some tips for getting fast switching:

1. 12 - 24 V gate drive -- faster at the higher voltage.
2. use IRF 820 or other mosfet with low gate capacitance and gate charge -- you want voltage not current.
3. Use ceramic bypass cap on the HV supply -- I use 0.1u 630V cermaic + 0.15 pulse capacitor. THese caps should be right on the mosfets.
4. Fastest driver you will get (at resonable price) is IXYX 414  use the TO 220 package if you want to drive at over 700K repetition rate.

When you do get things switching fast you will need to minimize the gate to drain capacitance and shelid any circuitry within about 50cm -- the EMI is very significant if your switching 100V + in less than 10 ns. If you dont sheild and lay things out right then you glitch your input and get spurious triggering of the switch. You will also need to isolate your logic, driver and output earth lines as much as possible.

You should have TVS's on all power rails -- logic, low side and high side drivers and HV supply. you want schottkey diodes in seris with the mosfets to prevent their body diodes ever getting reverse biased, You also need hyperfast (or SiC) flyback diodes. If you do all of this your mosfets and drivers are likely to last -- if you dont you will blow them regularly.

When testing use 10x or preferable 100x probes on a 100MHz or faster scope. For cleanest results do not touch the output -- just place the scope tip close by.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on May 19, 2008, 04:53:48 PM
I have an old book on microfiche - real pain in the arse to read - Titled: "Techniques of Shaping High-Voltage Nanosecond Pulses", by Vorobev,G. A. ; Mesyats,G. A

In this they discuss how you can send a pulse through a spark gap (or multiple gaps) to decrease the fall time (or was it rise time?  maybe it was both? - web source John Pasley says "rise time").  They also used adjascent gaps for UV enhancement of the switching time of the main gap (think he called this a "spark relay").  UV lamps for reptiles may also work, and I'll be trying this along with a brush discharge from a Tesla Disruptive Discharge coil as well, when I have time.  Basically just screwing around trying to get vacuum gap performance without the vacuum.  Hmm - could setup a quenched gap sideways so that each gap UV's the one next to it.

I suppose, when it comes down to it, we need to look at the "entire circuit" when dealing with this sort of "thing".  From this perspective, SS is slow, tubes are faster, and SM was correct.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MarkSnoswell on May 19, 2008, 05:59:33 PM
*if* you wanted really fast pulses you "spark" through water... any you get well down into the picosecond range from memory... but you just dont have to go there, a fast mosfet switch is all you need these days -- easy if your switching under 600V -- it gets a bit trickier up to 1.2 Kv as the parts get more expensive. For the higher voltages - if you really want them - you should just use valves. Valves are cheap, easy and fast for higher voltages -- the current capacity is not a problem at all.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: gn0stik on May 20, 2008, 02:54:00 AM
Take a close look at the CTC-5 chasiss :)

Nice find marco. I think I can even see a toroid in the middle there.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: duff on June 04, 2008, 08:05:05 PM
They should have performed this test with Fe. Unfortunately NMR measurement they did with H and C does not work with Fe. :) This is unrelated to SM TPU research.

 ???

Iron 57 has NMR frequency of 3.237778 relative to H1, so its frequency in the Earth's field should be around 6.475KHz.

I know iron 57 is quite rare, but Spherics did not specify which isotope of iron he was referring to, and iron 57 is the only isotope that exhibits NMR if I recall correctly.

Eldarion


@Eldarion

Could you please explain how you arrived at 6.475 KHz?

I came up with a different frequency:

According to Wikipedia -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyromagnetic_ratio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyromagnetic_ratio)

f = (gamma / 2pi) B

Gyromagnetic Ratio (rad T-1 s-1) :    0.8661 x 10 7
Total Magnetic Field Component in my area : 49,850.9 nT

(0.8661e7 / 2pi) ? 49,850.9E-9 = 68.7165 Hz


-Duff
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
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>>GOD GIVE  ALL THAT  FOR  TO BE PERFECKT   IF THE  GOD  HAS TOLD YOU  HOW TO MAKE  <LETS SAY PERPETUMOBILE> WAY  YOU DONT SHARE   YOU  DIVICE
IF  YOU DONT WHANT TO TELL EVERYTHING  THEN SEND  ANTHER 
VIDEO    NEW  OF  YOU TPU

MAN   IS TO LONG TIME IS  10 YEARS 
 
I ONLY  NEED  IS  JUST   TO TELL THE RAID WAY TO KEEP GOING  FIND  HOW IS WORKING

<<P.S     IF THE ONE LIFE  OF ENY  MAN IS  TO   IMPORTANT  THEN  ALL MAN OF  ALL WORLD  IS  NOT IMPORTANT   >>
I LIKE TO  SAY  S.M  MAKE  YOU   FINAL STEP    AND  MAKE RISK  YOU  LIFE  TO TELL  THE TRUE     
THE   FUTURE IS IMPORTANT    TO IMPROVE  AND  GOING  TO MAKE BETER WORLD

THE <<Nikola Tesla   HAS  SHARE  ALL  THAT 100 PATENTS FOR   ALL GOOD  OF THE WORLD
               
           Steven Mark     I HOPE SOME DAYS    THE FUTURE CHILDREN   WHILL BE SAID
 
             NIKOLA TESLA HAS   MAKE ELKTRICITY 
         BUT S.M  IS  MAKE  ELKTRICYTI   HO IS FORK   PERPETUAL WAYS  ;) ;) ;)



                                 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: gn0stik on June 06, 2008, 01:13:32 AM
HI

  FOR S.M  IF is here    man how  long time you whill   keep dis  secret  WE  HAVE HERE IN THIS FORUM    HAVE TO MUCS  THEORY  IS  TELING  OF DIFERENT PEOPLE  OF  ALL THE   WORLD   WAY   YOU CAN  TEEL SOMETHING    AND HELPS TO  GOING IN THE  RAID WAY   OF  OUR   THEORY    I DONT  WHANT TO TEEL ALL SECRET << BUT TELL  AS  THE   RAID WAY TO FIND DIS  >>
I HAVE LEARN  AND   AND   I SEE  ALL THIS  THEORY IS POSIBLE   BUT   I DONT KNOW   HO IS THE TRUE   THEORY   OF YOU 

 IF YOU HAVE  THAT  DIVICE  HO HAVE ABLE TO SAVE THE ALL WORLD   WAY  YOU CAN  HELP  OF  ALL MAN  KIND    <<THE  < GOD HAS  GIVE TO NIKOLA TESLA   ALL THAT  SUPERIOR STUFF  TO   OPEN  WAY   TO GOING   TO BE PERFECKT WORLD
>>GOD GIVE  ALL THAT  FOR  TO BE PERFECKT   IF THE  GOD  HAS TOLD YOU  HOW TO MAKE  <LETS SAY PERPETUMOBILE> WAY  YOU DONT SHARE   YOU  DIVICE
IF  YOU DONT WHANT TO TELL EVERYTHING  THEN SEND  ANTHER 
VIDEO    NEW  OF  YOU TPU

MAN   IS TO LONG TIME IS  10 YEARS 
 
I ONLY  NEED  IS  JUST   TO TELL THE RAID WAY TO KEEP GOING  FIND  HOW IS WORKING

<<P.S     IF THE ONE LIFE  OF ENY  MAN IS  TO   IMPORTANT  THEN  ALL MAN OF  ALL WORLD  IS  NOT IMPORTANT   >>
I LIKE TO  SAY  S.M  MAKE  YOU   FINAL STEP    AND  MAKE RISK  YOU  LIFE  TO TELL  THE TRUE     
THE   FUTURE IS IMPORTANT    TO IMPROVE  AND  GOING  TO MAKE BETER WORLD

THE <<Nikola Tesla   HAS  SHARE  ALL  THAT 100 PATENTS FOR   ALL GOOD  OF THE WORLD
               
           Steven Mark     I HOPE SOME DAYS    THE FUTURE CHILDREN   WHILL BE SAID
 
             NIKOLA TESLA HAS   MAKE ELKTRICITY 
         BUT S.M  IS  MAKE  ELKTRICYTI   HO IS FORK   PERPETUAL WAYS  ;) ;) ;)


You are so awesome, keep it up man, I love reading your posts.
Title: dumb demand Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: olecom on June 08, 2008, 07:34:22 PM
@MACEDONIA  CD, in case you don't grasp.

It is very easy to demand some one's pain-and-brain child, to give it away, even for "the sake of better world". Example: give one your newly born child to fix problems of ten sick people. They will pay, but what non-human monster can make such deal?

Demanding one person for saving of ignorant world of spoon-fed brain-washed slaves is not fair. It is even insulting, when taking into account, that he clearly stated about his legal agreement, positions relative to thinking, experimenting and creativity. Yet, without "special case", TPU could be studied by the way of scientific question/answer, if technical detales of implementation are intellectual property, thus are hidden.


Next is (long and) constructive approach: history, education, skills, slavery agendas.


Mind you that Faraday was walking from one room to another for 10 years to make "electricity from magnetism". After another 40 or so years Maxwell wrapped all experimental data in math form. And yet another 20 or so went, to have Herz and others to evaluate Maxwell's predictions.

Here comes The Great Tesla. I doubt he will dream about any electricity, if he didn't knew it already from the school. He did many great things, but let's focus on problems.

1) free electricity for everyone -- problems with banker Morgan and all other corrupted slavery-keepers

2) many experiments and effects. problems:
  2.1) no interest from theoreticians to collect, organize and finally wrap results in math, like Maxwell did. This kind of math work is needed to make intensive up-development. Math-handwaving, over-mathemaization and "Big Bang"-kind of bullshit as a result -- isn't a right way to go.
    Relativistic fan and fun science, its religion are also so -- i.e. it's better to make dream-experiments with clocks and observers, than to look on *actual* experimental data and see ALL *actual* facts. It's kind of nazi mind-blinding crap from same time era, that today is as alive as ever.
    No wonder, why Tesla's works are still mystery. Especially stupid, if one will think about how useful and applicable many thing were right away!
    Oh, yea, refs: Harold Aspden is a good source with reliable historical and practical information. I've just saw his name and web site was mentioned here, and i cannot stop reading his works for whole last week now. (I wonder why he didn't wrote or analysed TPU yet.)

  2.2) governmental cover up of patents, information, etc. It's mainly due to (1), profits, military "applications" and other "patriotic" big-brother stuff.

  2.3) Don't know about how Tesla handled info-sharing himself. As it was said, he died poor. Thus, i don't think, he was asking too much for info that he might wanted to sell (if there was demand at all). Also why patent protection and fees didn't work? Even court had made decision about radio only after his death. Stupid bureaucrats couldn't do their job properly and in time.
  Ouch, he was too ahead of the time, thus discredited by stupid scientific fashion and followers.


OK, now another thing: what will you do with some one's technology? How you will do anything with it?. Monkey see, monkey do? How about brainy humans, tools usage, creativity, imagination, learning, passing of knowledge and wisdom? Yes, government should take care of all this stuff now. Or does it?


Modern education and skills. Before i will start, just want to notice, that you, dear MACEDONIA CD, can't handle simple English: typing, work with dictionary, spell checking. (It's not an insult, just a note). This is quite odd in the public forum.

So what about physics, mathematics and engineering?

Physics is all about experiments, interpretation, theories and back to experiments. Again Harold Aspden has all said and done. All what i was searching and wondering for nearly last ten years of my education/graduation, i was able to read and understand in the very well-written, experimentally adopted/proven, really scientifically theoretical ways.

Yes, one needs math for that, because it is a language of science. Yes, you can speak sh*t and f*ck with it. But if no one else can understand that, then who cares?

Mathematics. How many times in modern life, books, etc. it can be seen "math is too hard, let's go shopping", "introduction: here we will not use math"(don't scare, read on), pocket calculators, etc.? And even in shops i doubt many will do raw estimations or calculations of overall cost in mind. In arithmetic or algebra i doubt many can do simple stuff as in mind as well as on paper. Laziness or stupidity?

200 or so years ago math. analysis (high-math) was in full development, yet now many even in the field, not just on street, cannot tell simple story about derivative or integral. Same with geometry and as common of the two disciplines -- vector analysis (scalar/vector multiplication, some specific forms of derivatives and integrals). In short: there is nothing special about this *language*: as addition to general operations (+-/*^), derivative is a speed or rate of change, integral is a (parametric) sum.

Again, very good all-in-one place to look at complex things on simple language is Harold Aspden's web sites (and references on books), http://www.aspden.org/books/mas/masch08.pdf first page:

"Do we know the law of interaction for discrete charges which are both in motion? We can hardly explain the physics of diverse phenomena in terms of common relation with a particle system of electric charge unless we can answer this question with a firm 'yes'. Explaining Nature in terms of electric charge behaviour is physics. The mathematician knows how his symbols interact so he has no problem creating his theories of the universe. The physicist has problems finding the facts and even finding how to express the facts, because we are not quite sure any more what we mean when we talk of a particle in motion. Motion is a relative quantity and requires a reference frame. Do we have to specify a reference frame to develop physics?[...]"

Read Whittaker's "A History of the theories of aether and electricity, vol. 1" to find out about how "a profound mathematician Cauchy" in 10 years using pure analytical approach created 2+3 theories of phenomena of the Nature which all were quite ridiculous from physical points of view.

Important things to ask for and see here: what ideas are in the base, are they handwavings or experimental facts? Then, what can be seen by analysing written results? Is it physical, is it experimentally provable, is it Natural or it's bullshit after all? OK, latter may be a religious thing, which shares math as language, but anyway.  Tesla's case shows, that no math was ever used to *start* with. E.g. there are all old laws of Coulomb or Faraday, yet Tesla is a mystery.

So, next time you will hear "quantum mechanics and its equations show", "theory of relativity proves", think of the above. And don't get hooked with all that quantum or mega-universe or mars-mission stuff. There are plenty of questions right before our eyes and in our life on the Earth. But i doubt important information or research results are released. TPU case is special, because it is very convincing and touches very foundation of modern life and economy. Yet it is just one person.

Sure many advanced things are not easy at all, but basic physics is proven and is a building block of many complex things. I personally upset about ignorance of population about questioning and using simple facts.

Tech skills. This is different matter from common knowledge and education. Many handcrafting things and know-how are kept in secret. But let's focus on electronics and especially its application (no materials science of components or very big and complex designs).

Digital era of calculating toasters. What about analog electronics? Sure there are many-many semiconductor devices with fine datasheets, ready to be used, etc. Sure there are many schematics, textbooks, standard ways of doing things, industry technologies, wisdom, etc.

Yet there's no automated and reliable way of creating and evaluating designs. Components quality/precision, all kinds of noise, parasitics, PCB, environment, connections and even cables -- all contribute in final result and performance.

After success of solid state materials and digital designs, analog while still important, went even more deeply in dependence of final IC blocks. Interesting, how much knowledge, wisdom and craft left from previous generations of electronic engineers? How many today's young amateurs interested in more than reading datasheets, application notes and getting free samples? Case of tubes.

Add all bankers', their puppet government's conflicts of interests and simple human respect for privacy here.

Button line: think from many points of view, what you are demanding for.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on June 08, 2008, 11:12:06 PM
hi   @ olecom

 yes you are  raid   you say the true things  all that stuff is controlING  one thing   << MONEY>>
THAT IS POWERFULL   THEN LIFE 
   
yes is  something about  discahrge  of cap   
when i have start whit this problematic      i have start  whit  this  discharge  simple cap
I HAVE   ONE  OLD   PHISIC FRIEND   OLD  PROFESSOR   AND GOOD    MAN    I  E SAID  THE SIMPLE   THING OF CAP  <<YOU  WHILL CHARGE  WHIT   SMALL   INPUT  ENRGY <,,BUT WHEN YOU DISCHARGE  SHORT  YOU WHILL HAVE     MORE AMPS   MAYBE   10  OR 50  TIMES   BIGER   WHEN  YOU PUT THERE  <<AND  ATHERE  WHEN THIS HAPEND   YOU HAVE ONLY   AMPS   WHITOUT   VOLTAGE >>STRANGE  SIMPLE THINGS   

ATHERE  I HAVE  THING  AND  I HAVE MADE SOME SIMPLE TEST  HOW TO CREATED  SPIN  IN ONE DIRECTION  LIKE ROTATIONS 
AND THEN I HAVE  THING  HOW IS FORK  A SIMPLE   AC  MOTOR  WHIT ONE   <phase >

yes  there is  one WIRE   whit  two ends  but  way is made  coils  in the serial ways  <that is  only one  wire  whit  two ends   >>way  is have  to make    serial  colis whit that way  >>
and  there is start to  see clear  <<there is my kicks >>.LIKE YOU HAVE SOME  MOVIE   AND  YOU THEN   CUTIN IN TO THE  FRAMES>SIMPLE THINGS LIKE I HAVE   ONE   HZ   AND I MAKE    COIL WHIT SERIAL  AND  GET  MORE   KICKS >AND   GET THE  SPEED 
BUT IS THE PROBLEM HOW  TO MAKE   SPINING IN ONE DIRECTION HMMMMMMMMM
 YES  YOU  HAVE SAID   ABOUT   <<Harold Aspden >>
yes  is  like   i have multivibrator  sheme  whitout transistors   ;)
two caps   two coil and  then isonly have i switching
YES IS  HAROLD IS  GOOD THING   BUT IS NEED  LITLE  TO IMPROVE  WHIT  SOME PARTS  THERE 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: vince on June 09, 2008, 03:14:09 AM
Hi Guys;

I don't want to change the topic but I thought I'd share an experiment I just did regarding the very first item on this thread, SPHERICS TPU. I was always interested in his design and was hoping someone would attempt it, but it seems there was a lot of discussion but no real replication.  I am not qualified to design the solid state driver it would take to feed the coils to induce rotation so in my attempt I used a motor with rotor and magnet which turned on three magnet switches  sequentially and fed the bottom three coils, as well as the top coil with each pulse. I have been trying different speeds to feed the coil and induce a rotating field but I am getting nothing on the output coil. I have tried   feeding the coils with 6 and 12 volts DC but nothing seems to work.  I would appreciate if someone could point me to a simple driver circuit that could feed the coils sequentially so that I can give this thing a fair shake. I know the motor Idea is far to slow to create the effect but I thought I'd give it a try anyway.

SPHERICS, if your out there how about some advice on the driver and the feed voltage?

Have a look.  http://picasaweb.google.com/vincemormile/2008_06_08?authkey=LtgXvSRHaH4

Regards
Vince
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: buzz-ard on June 09, 2008, 06:23:02 AM
@ vince - Nice build! I also saw some interesting aspects of spherics' idea, but unrelated to the TPU. I'm inclined to wonder about possible electro-gravitic effects. Maybe you could *safely* suspend a sliver of iron or a sewing needle somehow, just to see if there's anything interesting going on?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: flash on June 09, 2008, 10:38:08 AM
Vince maybe go look for a dc stepper motor controller chip, this would be the easiest way. I don't know any chip numbers off the top of my head so maybe go ask the geeks at the local electronic shop :D
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: ketone on June 09, 2008, 05:58:31 PM
@ Vince


internal server error on your webpage, no pics

if you look on previous page, i do have a build that i am working on as per spherics design,
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: duff on June 09, 2008, 07:42:13 PM
@vince

Unable to view the above link.

How about posting some details of your tests, such as:
   Coil dimensions, spacing & angle
   Did you use a  DC offset
   What pulse frequencies you have tried
   Pulse voltage


Check out Earl's circuits: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2582.0.html


-Duff
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: vince on June 09, 2008, 11:42:55 PM
Sorry guys;

Try this link    http://picasaweb.google.com/vincemormile/2008_06_08?authkey=LtgXvSRHaH4

@Keytone

Sorry I had not looked at the last few pages.  Nice job!!  I just made a quick version to see if I could get any kind of output

@Duff

I used 4,12 volt solenoid coils (1" OD .5" ID 1.75" Long)
6 and 12 volt DC feed from a battery charger
approximately 3" OD 2.125 " ID pickup coil #14 gauge multistrand cppoer wire
3 magnetic security switches for the sequencing. ( probably not sensitive enough at higher speed so it is not firing the coils)
With the motor speed maximum at 1750 rpm it would have pulsed each coil that many times per minute and twice that when I used two magnets.

I think I'm going to have to come up with some other kind of switching for the coils as those magnet switches just can't turn on and off at those speeds. Maybe a brush commutator?

Regards
Vince
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: duff on June 10, 2008, 03:41:23 AM
Sorry guys;

Try this link    http://picasaweb.google.com/vincemormile/2008_06_08?authkey=LtgXvSRHaH4


Vince,

That is the same link that you gave us before.

Try logging out of your google account and then see if you can access it.

Quote
I think I'm going to have to come up with some other kind of switching for the coils as those magnet switches just can't turn on and off at those speeds. Maybe a brush commutator?

A commutator will introduce noise...


Thanks for the details...


-Duff
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: juice on June 10, 2008, 05:47:43 AM
Does it not disturb anyone else that spherics specifies 300V yet does not provide ANY dimensions whatsoever aside from (incomplete) relative dimensions? What use is 300V if you don't know what you're applying it to? Let's see I think I'll try 3 turns on my coil and apply my 300V... ZAP! WOW it exploded must be free energy..... come on now.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on June 10, 2008, 06:35:07 AM
 :D LOL
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: vince on June 10, 2008, 06:52:02 AM
Duff

I logged off and it seems to work fine from my end.
Give it a try.

Vince
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: duff on June 10, 2008, 08:53:52 AM
Quote
Does it not disturb anyone else that spherics specifies 300V yet does not provide ANY dimensions whatsoever aside from (incomplete) relative dimensions? What use is 300V if you don't know what you're applying it to? Let's see I think I'll try 3 turns on my coil and apply my 300V... ZAP! WOW it exploded must be free energy..... come on now.
@juice

The physical dimensions are based on the hexagonal spherical packing. The bubble or ball sizes and should be relative though there is still a lot of room for error...

Yes it bothers a lot of us. Thats probably why more have not jumped into this thread. There is much missing.



@Vince

I was finally to access your pics though I changed nothing here.

Spherics states:

     "Someone mentioned the Alberto Molina-Martinez device as being the same. It would appear at
      a casual glancing at the patent to be chock full to the brim with iron/steel and other magnetic
      materials
which I have said ad nausium is a no-no. "


You may be defeating your purpose with the steel frame.

Other than that, nice work!

I may be joining you & Keytone  if I can come to terms with the NMR frequency issue.


-Duff
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on June 10, 2008, 03:39:19 PM
He didn't mention a wire length - so it was probably not that important.

Since you are trying to project something out the end of the coil, I'd try a long solenoid shape with the length longer than the inner diameter which concentrates the external magnetic field at the ends - like the little white spools that wire comes on - with like 30 to 28 awg magnet wire - several hundred feet - maybe even over a thousand - so between 700 and 1500 feet - kinda depends on what the spool will hold and what looks like it will work.

As for the NMR - isn't that like 32 MHz-ish?  Wouldn't this relate to the pulse width or repetition frequency?  Probably the width as we are impact exciting the coils.  So, pulses in the nanosecond range adjusted for best effect.

and no metal supporting structure...
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: vince on June 10, 2008, 04:27:46 PM
Duff

It's a wooden dowel frame, no steel.

Also found that my magnetic switches definitely cannot switch after even low rotation speed.  Might try some type of optical device to sequence the coils

Vince
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: buzz-ard on June 10, 2008, 04:48:54 PM
@vince - May I suggest a Hall-effect sensor, like on car engines? You could use an identical driver circuit, and it would likely give better performance at higher speeds than an optical device might.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: juice on June 10, 2008, 08:34:03 PM
He didn't mention a wire length - so it was probably not that important.

But he did mention the voltage. Yet voltage is a derived unit, dependent on length. So if you don't have any physical size specified, voltage is irrelevant. We must be made to assume the device is of a certain overall size then, about the same size of a SM device. I still find it silly for spherics to suggest the voltage so specifically.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on June 10, 2008, 09:58:45 PM
But he did mention the voltage. Yet voltage is a derived unit, dependent on length. So if you don't have any physical size specified, voltage is irrelevant. We must be made to assume the device is of a certain overall size then, about the same size of a SM device. I still find it silly for spherics to suggest the voltage so specifically.

How do you figure that voltage is a derived unit dependent on length?  Length of what?

If the voltage had anything to do with the length of the wire or the dimensions of the coil - he would have said so.

I think the he was "vague" in the requriements to keep this out of the hands of people who lack the necessary skills to utilize this technology.  If you are hung-up over the length of the damn wire or the size of the coils then you should let this go - it is not for you.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: duff on June 10, 2008, 11:31:10 PM

As for the NMR - isn't that like 32 MHz-ish?  Wouldn't this relate to the pulse width or repetition frequency?  Probably the width as we are impact exciting the coils.  So, pulses in the nanosecond range adjusted for best effect.

and no metal supporting structure...

@Grumpy

NMR is dependant on the magnetic field strength.

(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9911/freqlarmorvk0.png)

Fe57 Gyromagnetic Ratio (rad T-1 s-1) :    0.8661 x 107

When I plugged in the total magnetic field strength for my location I came up with:
(0.8661E7 / 2pi) * 49,848.5 nT = 68.713 Hz

Magnetic Field Calculator: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/magfield.shtml (http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/magfield.shtml)

Pulsing solenoids would change that somewhat but I would not think it would go into the MHz range, maybe not even KHz, depending on your coil construction.

So we pulse at some harmonic of the NMR frequency of Fe57.
What does a harmonic have to do with NMR?
From what I've been able to determine the NMR frequency is not influenced by harmonics since it's a very narrow bandwidth. All protons don't respond to exactly the same frequency so there is a small variance.

So, do we buy a magnetic field strength meter and measure the field while pulsing the solenoid.
Then what harmonic and why???


@Vince

Sorry, my mistake.


-Duff
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on June 11, 2008, 12:09:20 AM
So, "Plan B" is screw the NMR and sweep with whatever you have - there will be a harmonic in there somewhere...
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: duff on June 11, 2008, 12:34:31 AM
Yes, that seems reasonable.

The oscillator would need to be very stable with fine tuning but then we've always known that.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on June 11, 2008, 12:47:34 AM
The "NMR of iron" may have just been to get you in the right freq range and not literal.  I would not expect arbitrary-dimensioned coils in different devices to utilize the same frequency - even in this case.  If so, the freq would be important enough to list directly, which it wasn't - so it isn't.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: duff on June 12, 2008, 01:00:41 AM

Yesterday I found a software package which will allow you to calculate the magnetic field strength/magnetic field lines of a solenoid. This should allow you to calculate the NMR frequency for your coil set and thus get you closer to where you need to be pulsing.

http://www.vizimag.com/ (http://www.vizimag.com/)

They have a 30 day Free Trial version which will run on Windows AND Linux which you can down load here: http://www.vizimag.com/vizimagtr316.zip (http://www.vizimag.com/vizimagtr316.zip)

-Duff
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: th3jester on June 19, 2008, 08:58:51 PM
Very intersting read. Although I only read about 1/2 of the posts in this thread and the others concerning TPU's.

Is there anything that sums up everything that has been tested and built so I don't spend weeks reading through 50 pages of posts? If not thats fine, I'll just start from the begining and build one of my own.

Also what is the basic theory behind a TPU? I know the concept, spherics explained a new concept but not really any basic theory down to component level.

Just so someone doesn't assume, I am not a newbie at this, although I am also not an expert. i am going to college for electrical engineering technology and have two years left for my bachelors, after that I am getting my masters and phd.

Concerning spherics post - it almost sounds like hes made one and it works and hes just seeing if we have the ability/determination to figure out what he has.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: orbs on June 20, 2008, 12:16:41 PM
A repost with links made visible.
Building on the rapid fire rat race controller (http://overunity.com/index.php/topic,2582.msg38506.html#msg38506), one could use a 74AHC164 (http://nxp.com/pip/74AHC_AHCT164_2.html) with a 74VHC27 (http://fairchildsemi.com/pf/74/74VHC27.html) and 74AHC377 (http://nxp.com/pip/74AHC_AHCT377_1.html) to generate same pulses as with the 4017 but with the nice symmetric delay properties of the 377. Unfortunately, 377 available as SMD only.
[Details: connect Q1..Q6 of the 164 to two NOR gates of the 27, and their output to the 2 data inputs of the 164. This creates a self-initializing shift register that rotates a 2-cycle pulse with a period of 9 cycles. Connect Q0/Q3/Q6 to the third 27 NOR and its output to E of the 377. Then connect Q1/Q4/Q7 to the data inputs of the 377. This yields the output signals for the first 3 coils. The 4th coil signal is connecting E of the 377 to one of its data inputs and the output again to an input, i.e. twice in sequence, to get the pulse delayed/shortened the same as the others. The 164 and the 377 use the same input clock signal.]

If one does use an embedded controller already, then it looks like an AD9510 (http://analog.com/AD9510) clock divider is pretty good. It has 4 identical outputs (twice) that can be programmed to generate the signals for the 4 coils (one divide-by-3 with 33% duty cycle and three divide-by-9 with 11% duty cycle and 0/3/6 cycle phase shifts).

For a clock generator, the AD9912 (http://analog.com/AD9912) DDS looks pretty nice, although somewhat expensive (some $70). However, it has some nice properties that make its use convenient: very high frequency output resolution and built-in comparator to generate square wave output. And the interesting part is, it is used by HAM amateur radio operators, so there are already people out there who have some experience with it. While it looks like overkill to have a device designed to generate high quality sine output to then just make it into a square wave signal, it allows very fine frequency adjustments that make it simple and flexible to use (see also AN-823 (http://analog.com/AN-823) and AN-837 (http://analog.com/AN-837)).

Apparently it's better to use an external main clock source like the Epson Toyocom EG-2102CA (http://www.epsontoyocom.co.jp/english/product/OSC/set04/eg2102ca/) PECL instead of the internal PLL of above devices. Below are some pictures taken by radio operator DL7IY from his article about the AD9912 (http://analog.com/AD9912) in FA 3/08 (http://box73.de/catalog/pdf/008-03.pdf) (German magazine Funkamateur (http://funkamateur.de)).
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spider on June 26, 2008, 09:23:40 PM
Pulse generator question.

I am giving the spherics a try...

Has anyone here any experience with these:

http://www.elandigitalsystems.com/usb/usbpulse100.php

The demosoftware looks nice anyways :)

Greetings Rene
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on June 30, 2008, 03:44:23 PM
Is this related in anyway?     :o

http://www.koreus.com/video/telephone-portable-mais-popcorn.html (http://www.koreus.com/video/telephone-portable-mais-popcorn.html)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 30, 2008, 05:39:48 PM
Is this related in anyway?     :o

http://www.koreus.com/video/telephone-portable-mais-popcorn.html (http://www.koreus.com/video/telephone-portable-mais-popcorn.html)

This and other vids showing cell phones popping popcorn have been proved fraudulent.  Fox news did a special on this also.  lol   ::)   ;D

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMdevices on June 30, 2008, 07:12:23 PM
Shucks !!   I thought it was real   !!!  :-[  :-\
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 30, 2008, 07:37:27 PM
Shucks !!   I thought it was real   !!!  :-[  :-\

LOL  Yea, right!!   ;)

And Stanley Meyers was really poisoned.
UFO's are really aliens from another planet.
Man really came from fish, then Apes.

So as not to confuse anyone, I put the above three things into the category of phones making popcorn!   ;) :D ;D  Ha, I have stirred the pot now! 

@ All
If Spherics Tetrahedral design is too difficult, try the "kick" coil with the "comp" field.  He gives a great description of how to do this, in his second post.

Those putting iron into their coils will never see a working TPU.  And the rotating magnetic field is not a "natural" effect.  It is created by 120 deg phase rotation controlled by electronics.  Check out the timing given by Spherics in his first post.  The X, Y, and Z.   Has a single person in this public forum, used an induced rotating magnetic field?  No.  No rotation, no TPU, just transformers.

Look up what SM had to say about "speed" and velocity.  Don't think linear.  Look up Tesla's "Egg of Columbus".  Look up Mark Snoswell's post in this thread.

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spider on June 30, 2008, 08:59:50 PM
@EM,

Wooow, a Steven Mark TPU popcorn maker. Free popcorn forever !!!  ;D ;D ;D CALL NOW!!!!!

@Bruce,

Thank you!

@all

If you want to try the spherics anyways, remember........The TETRA is in the CUBE! :)

Greetings Spider

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spider on July 22, 2008, 11:36:21 AM
Hi All,

I have not been posting much cause I have been busy.

Here is the controller I build for driving the Tetra. It uses a PIC16F648A microprocessor.
See the pics down below. Second picture is the sequence its making.

Here you can appreciate the PIC in action:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get100

It is in slow mode cause else you wouldnt see the leds switch. But this puppy can go up to 20 MHz. driving the MOSFETS :D :D

Maybe this will inspire others building too :)

Greetings Rene
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on September 01, 2008, 06:47:03 PM
Towards Realizing the TPU
Chapter 1

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get109
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on September 01, 2008, 10:22:14 PM
Towards Realizing the TPU v1.2
CHAPTER 1
- Added simple table of contents to give an idea what's coming next

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get110
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spider on September 01, 2008, 10:46:07 PM
Hi Poynt,

Nice document!!
Good to see somebody is still interrested in the Spherics Design.

I finished my controller, so I will have proof of the pudding soon!
20 MHz microprocessor, 14 Amp drivers, 1200 Volt IGBT's.....3,5ns switching times.. :D

Greetings Spider.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on September 01, 2008, 11:51:12 PM
@ Poynt
Very interesting, looking forward to reading the rest of the report, it's quiet refreshing considering some of the dribble that has manifested across this board.

@Spider
Nice build, good luck and be careful with the high voltages and remember vero has very little spacing between tracks, this can be a problem with high frequency and high voltagel.
What IGBT's and driver are you using?

Peter
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: HEYDUDE on September 02, 2008, 05:23:18 AM
Poynt99

Your newly released document is an important step forward in developing a Spheric type unit and will move all to a fuller understanding of a possible working mechanism of both Spheric's and Mark's devices.

Your distillation and personal insights will be a great aid in this undertaking. I hope this document is not glossed over and buried in the threads, it is too important.

Rather, I hope it generates a new wave of focused discussion in this area of research that will remain open sourced and freely disseminated.

I also would hope that folks here will honor your hard work in producing this by keeping the thread "on topic"

Kind Regards.....HD
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: slapper on September 02, 2008, 05:37:39 AM
Thank you poynt99.

I 2nd what HEYDUDE posted. It may motivate me in looking into building something based on your upcoming chapters.

Thanks again.

nap
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 02, 2008, 06:51:50 PM
Towards Realizing the TPU v1.2
CHAPTER 1
- Added simple table of contents to give an idea what's coming next

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get110

Great summary, Poynt99!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 02, 2008, 06:58:38 PM
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th?papernum=9608038

This is for the one person that will understand what this paper implies and garner knowledge from it.

PDF link is in upper right and is free to download.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: mflynn44 on September 02, 2008, 07:24:51 PM
Towards Realizing the TPU v1.2
CHAPTER 1
- Added simple table of contents to give an idea what's coming next

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get110

Thank you Poynt99 for your excellent write-up. You've motivated me to continue work on the Spherics design.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on September 02, 2008, 07:25:42 PM
   Below diagram shows tetrahedral packing.  It also shows a 5th coil.  Hope it helps.  Nice work.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 02, 2008, 11:04:13 PM
@ P99

You are correct that the fields are perpendicular to each other.  This may also account for why devices with 90 degree control coils are unstable - like Marinov's MAGVID.

The threee fields that you term "A", "B", and "C" are reffered to as "tempic",  "electric", and "magnetic" by Wilbert Smith.

First there is the "tempic" field, which is "scalar" and has a single dimension like temperature - be we can think of it more like "density".  This field determines the rate of entropy for manifestation in reality - i.e. time.  The other two fields can not exist without this field as it is the fundamental one.

Then there is the electric field - which contains the tempic field as an integral part of it - this field is the divergence of the tempic field - so we now have two dimensions - pressure and direction.  Funny that this field always terminates on conductors.

Then, perpendicular to the tempic and electric, is the magnetic - which is the curl (hence closed) of the tempic field.  Funny that this field likes to be closed.

As for the other form of induction, there is more than one type of current and they all produce a magnetic field when produced with mass charges - but what if they are produced with "virtual" charges?  There are convection currents (the Rowland Effect), conduction currents (Maxwell/Faraday EM induction), and displacement current (theorized by MAxwell, proved by Roentgen and Eichenwald).  By the way, Roentgen did not allow the use of the word "electron" in his institute.

The three currents and all that can be better understood when you look at all the three fields together:

            Tempic
       Electric Tempic
Magnetic Electric Tempic

So, we see that manipulation of the tempic field affects the other two and that they are all connected and tempic is the fundamental field.

So, if we wanted to see what effect each field has on the other, we look at our little pyramid and compare this to the three currents and get this:

(side note:  I also have scribbled notes on a "current of dielectric convection" which is related to a rotatable field arrangement - I won't get into this here and good luck finding much on it - also referred to as a "convection displacement current")

Here's how it all fits:
1.  magnetic field acted on by a tempic field (i.e. changed or moved) produces a transverse electric field (M^T=E)
    (field decreases with distance)

2. electric field acted on by a tempic field (i.e. changed or moved - even if virtual charge) produces transverse magnetic field (E^T=M)
    (field decreasese with distance squared)

3. magnetic field acted on by electric field (i.e. changed or moved) produces transverse tempic field (M^E=T)
    (field decreasese with distance cubed)

Looking closely at number 3 - we may wonder if this transverse tempic field also produces the the other two - of course it does.

Comparing this to the tetrahedral-TPU, we use an electric field to create a changing tempic field to create a changing magnetic field which is not "mass-based" since the charges are virtual, and this induces power in a conductor that occupies the same space as the field - hence two rods will work or a toroidal coil.  We can rotate the field as fast as we can switch it and like he said, the field lingers so it is compressed again and again and again - and with every compression maintian the gain we have - 1:1000 in/out is reasonable.  Increase the speed and we increase the rate of gain - if we can maintain it.  See, in the space occupied by the field, entropy (or time) is at a different rate. 

You put in a second and take out a half-hour at seconds rate - running with gain - that ain't workin' - that's the way ya do it - money for nuthin' and your chicks for free...

So, the compass only spins until the field is closed on itself, then the center of the ring becomes a void and the compass stops.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on September 02, 2008, 11:20:16 PM
@ Grumpy
Yer but does it work, I take it from your in detailed explanation you have built it and got it working and have now worked out how it works?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 02, 2008, 11:41:34 PM
@ Grumpy
Yer but does it work, I take it from your in detailed explanation you have built it and got it working and have now worked out how it works?

I have not built the tetrahedral thing due to the required arrangement and pulse requirements.   I've built some other things and done a few experiments.  It's all related.  The foundation of what I just wrote is in Wilbert Smith's book "The New Science" - which is posted free online - Google it.   Others have confirmed various aspects of this as well.  These principles are also supported by the works and writing of Tesla, Eric Dollard, and others.

If you are asking if the tetrahedral arrangement will work or not - of course it works.  He did not post it for his health.

There are several ways to achieve the same results or others depending on what you want.  What I just posted is an outline for how the fields interact with each other. 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 03, 2008, 12:12:15 AM
By the way, if anyone wants the "motherload of OU" straight out of the gate with their first build - then this field isn't for you.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on September 03, 2008, 01:11:40 AM
   @Grumpy

       The tempic field can be thought of as a bunch of clouds with different amounts of watervapor content.  Something like your avatar. :)  This is what would fill space dimensions.  The relative density borders then create charge which is an area or surface tension and relates to the square of the vector under question.  This charge surface then envelopes a volume which creates the magnetic field whose vector examination changes as a cube.  The watervapor is potential energy or potential for change or potential time.  Mass with all it's inertness (full of not changing) is pretty much antitime.  The only recourse man has is to manipulate mass that happens to be in his time density field to effect a flow from the tempic field.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on September 03, 2008, 10:12:28 AM
All these theories are great but i am yet to see any of them produce a working OU Device.
I am a builder and have built many devices over the last couple of years from instructions posted by people that come and go.
I will give this a go as the description is fairly good and easy to cnstruct, infact it shouldnt take more than a couple of weeks to get this up and running.
I see spider building and i have seen lots of theories but has anyone completed a build in the 4-5 months this has been posted.
I dont understand that Grumpy is so convinced this works and has not built one due to the pulse requirements?
I was a micro electronic design engineer and i would say that is not the way to go with this, the logic behind the pulses is straight forward and can be done with 5 logic chips, although i will opt for adjustable phase and pulse width which means i will need 9 logic chips to give me 10nS pulse switching.

Peter
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spider on September 03, 2008, 02:30:40 PM
By the way, if anyone wants the "motherload of OU" straight out of the gate with their first build - then this field isn't for you.


@Grumpy,

Can you elaborate on that?

Greetings Spider.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: dean_mcgowan on September 03, 2008, 02:40:35 PM
The "mother load"  ::)

Now I have heard it all  ;D
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 03, 2008, 03:12:49 PM
All these theories are great but i am yet to see any of them produce a working OU Device.
This is not the sort of thing you go around posting on every forum, even if anonymous.  Blacken the eye of the Beast and you'll see how he earned that name.

I am a builder and have built many devices over the last couple of years from instructions posted by people that come and go.
I will give this a go as the description is fairly good and easy to cnstruct, infact it shouldnt take more than a couple of weeks to get this up and running.
I see spider building and i have seen lots of theories but has anyone completed a build in the 4-5 months this has been posted.
I dont understand that Grumpy is so convinced this works and has not built one due to the pulse requirements?
I was a micro electronic design engineer and i would say that is not the way to go with this, the logic behind the pulses is straight forward and can be done with 5 logic chips, although i will opt for adjustable phase and pulse width which means i will need 9 logic chips to give me 10nS pulse switching.

Peter

I have a limited amount of time, so I built other things.  I have spent a lot of time working with 10kv and up in an attempt to see the strange stuff that Tesla mentioned.

I am not an electronic engineer, so easy circuits for you are not easy for me.

Many people started this build, but I don't think anyone has finished it yet.  You could be the first.  Everyone thinks it's easy until they start building it.  All four coils need to be very close to identical - with long wire - several hundred feet or more.  Spacing must be equidistant from the center.  No material in the center other than the collector coil, so you have to support everything from outside the coils.  Any material within the space of the projected field (i.e. from the face of each coil to the center) will diffract and/or dampen the field.  If coil forms are used, they must be thin and polyethylene, polystyrene or teflon, etc. (low loss dielectric).  Try for 2ns - not 10ns.  then you need at least 300v pulses - low ns range - most MOSFETs are like 20ns or more.  If you differentiate to narrow the pulse, you kill the peak voltage so you have to compensate for that.  Any errors in position or coil parameters and you will need to compensate with phase and pulse parameter adjustment.

So, by all means, show us how easy it is to build.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 03, 2008, 03:20:48 PM

@Grumpy,

Can you elaborate on that?

Greetings Spider.

What I mean is that so many people here are not willing to build something in order to learn something.  Before they do anything, they want to know ahead of time that the Tavernier Blue is waiting for them just under the surface.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on September 03, 2008, 04:24:16 PM
@Grumpy
Sorry i thought you was an EE, thanks for the info, i wont be able to get to those rise times, i had no idea this was a requirement, still i will continue as i have finished Cadding the PSU and Controller and just ordered the parts.

Peter
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Gobaga on September 03, 2008, 05:08:40 PM
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Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 03, 2008, 05:11:56 PM
If anyone builds the tetrahedral device, I'm sure someone can come up with a way to make it work -  ;)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on September 03, 2008, 05:20:29 PM
A 555 to an irf840 or 3055 then to an ignition coil, microwave can supply a HV driver. Might not be right on but that is a start.

The basis for all this is resonant drive and heterodyning which can give the HV or spikes with the excessive power.
In the heterodyning tests I found 4 watts to a 750 watt amp enough to almost break the house. I saw the amp as a step up transformer of sorts.

But the effect was on the scope, at the 4 watt amp, and at the 750 watt amp.
Now lets say I can go to an even bigger amp?

Any two dishes pointed at each other from a small distance, any tunnel that has an echo, the ball court at Chich'en itz'a in the Mayan Yucatan temples. I believe the later can be heard in space.

Quote
Archaeologists have identified seven courts[citation needed] for playing the Mesoamerican ballgame in Chich?n, but the Great Ball Court about 150 meters to the north-west of the Castillo is by far the most impressive. It is the largest ball court in ancient Mesoamerica. It measures 166 by 68 meters (545 by 232 feet). The imposing walls are 12 meters high, and in the center, high up on each of the long walls, are rings carved with intertwining serpents.[8]
Maybe communications? Not just sports or frail worship based on violence.
Quote
Each end has a raised "temple" area. A whisper from end can be heard clearly at the other end 500 feet away and through the length and breath of the court. The sound waves are unaffected by wind direction or time of day/night. Archaeologists engaged in the reconstruction noted that the sound transmission became stronger and clearer as they proceeded. In 1931 Leopold Stokowski spent 4 days at the site to determine the acoustic principals that could be applied to an open-air concert theater he was designing. Stokowski failed to learn the secret. To this day it has not been explained

At the base of the high interior walls are slanted benches with sculpted panels of teams of ball players. In one panel, one of the players has been decapitated and from the wound emits seven streams of blood; six become wriggling serpents and the center becomes a winding plant..
Not too bright...

So instead of touting the past or torching the present, take that giant step outside of your minds. For as long as you think like the rest you can't do the best!

Listen up! I can tell you this: That all the answers have been given and they are right in front of your faces. While everybody is waiting for the solution like a DC potential, the recipe you all have been waiting for has been given to all like HV kicks. One just has to wait and collect them.
Isn't this the slickest puzzle/adventure on the planet? And we little humans won't even pick up the bread crumbs that show the path because we want the whole loaf shoved in our faces. It is not just an american problem either.

One of my ongoing suspicions is that if a build is made to exacting standards according to finite control of the vectors then the builder must build using exact geometries and special materials. I believe this over complicates things. There have been many posts from the heavens stating 'Keep it simple'. I could be a simpleton though.

--giantkiller. Unconventional thinking leads to unconventional solutions.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 03, 2008, 06:19:19 PM
By the way,  a spark gap will reduce your pulse rise time to about 1-5 ns - even less if you use a UV field to radiate the gap.  Turn-off time can be greatly reduced with magnetic quenching

So, with a little work, a crappy pulse kicks ass.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on September 03, 2008, 09:12:10 PM
@grumpy


     A little lazer action goes along way.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 03, 2008, 09:33:32 PM
an adjacent gap is good and cheap - even my UV heat lamp for reptiles worked OK
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spider on September 06, 2008, 08:00:09 PM
Hi All,

For testing my controller circuit I build a little mini tetra. Had an hour to kill.
Its running like a charm so far. No parts blown yet :)
24 Volt on the coils, in sequence, 5 volt from the output coil. No OU yet LOL.

Now for the bigger brother.

Have a nice weekend!


Greetings Spider
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on September 07, 2008, 12:32:31 AM
@to  GIANT
 

 YOU ARE HMMM OK
 
S.M  IS WORK   AN THE ELKTROSTATICs  SPEAKERS <QUAD>  AND  I WONDERING WHERE IS COMING FROM TPU
 ::) ::) ::)
  did you KNOW  GIANTKILER
 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on September 07, 2008, 04:38:09 AM
@to  GIANT
 

 YOU ARE HMMM OK
 
S.M  IS WORK   AN THE ELKTROSTATICs  SPEAKERS <QUAD>  AND  I WONDERING WHERE IS COMING FROM TPU
 ::) ::) ::)
  did you KNOW  GIANTKILER
 

The heterodyning at the right 3 frequencies produced a rotating sound effect. If you only want to use 1 frequency then cut your coils to certain lengths. Use audio to find the right spin rate then simply remove the audio and rely strictly on the coils.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on September 07, 2008, 09:09:21 AM
Does anyone know if we should be able to see the rotating compass effect near or in the middle of the Tetra?
Or will it just melt LOL

Cheers
Peter
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spider on September 07, 2008, 01:41:49 PM
Hi All

@Peter, your wish is my command LOL ;) No meltdown, just rotation. Tesla's boiled egg :)

I found a little compass I had since I was a child. I put it in the centre of my little tetra.

Made a movie http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get129

Enjoy!!!!

Greetings Spider

The stuff people do these days ................ ;D

For people who want to try PIC Processors, here is the program that is running:

loop          MOVLW   b'00001001'     ;00001001 X and A
                MOVWF   PORTB
                NOP
                MOVLW   b'00000000'   ;00000000 OFF
                MOVWF   PORTB
                NOP
                MOVLW   b'00001010'   ;00001010 Y and A
                MOVWF   PORTB
                NOP
                MOVLW   b'00000000'   ;00000000 OFF
                MOVWF   PORTB
                NOP
                MOVLW   b'00001100'   ;00001100 Z and A
                MOVWF   PORTB
                NOP
                MOVLW   b'00000000'   ;00000000 OFF
                MOVWF   PORTB
                GOTO   loop

Easy stuff, you can make your own 2 buck pulse gen  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on September 07, 2008, 03:45:23 PM
Spider, what happens to the compass with the top coil in place?

...
So, the compass only spins until the field is closed on itself, then the center of the ring becomes a void and the compass stops.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: wattsup on September 07, 2008, 04:02:18 PM
@Rosphere

My question also.

I also think the three coils should not be completely at a right angle to the toroid. It should be off by at least 10-15 degrees to initiate more spin.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Sprocket on September 07, 2008, 04:29:46 PM
@Spider - excellent video, I was expecting to see the compass rotating much more slowly, but that thing is really moving! :D  Is this as fast as you caould get it to spin?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spider on September 07, 2008, 04:31:07 PM
Oke I did the tests.

The compass is filled with a liquid so it has a lot of drag.
If I pulse the processor clockpin with 180Hz pulses, then the compass rotation starts. At 450Hz the compass cannot follow anymore and stops or just wiggels. Topcoil makes no difference. Actual RPM of the rotating field is much lower, because it takes the processor 1 clockpuls to execute 1 line of code. 1 sequence cycle is 18 lines so rpm = pulses/18.

The frequencies and voltages are much to low to see any real RMF or vortex effects.

But its great learning and valuable for future projects

Spider
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on September 07, 2008, 05:46:57 PM
Spider great fun watching

Thanks
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on September 07, 2008, 08:34:03 PM
      Something like the below image?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on September 08, 2008, 12:05:52 AM
HI TO ALL

  WHATT IF IS COMPASS  ROTATE WHAT THEN

 THIS  NOT MEAN THAT  WHILL MAGNET FILD  ROTATE  <<NO>

WE NEED TO  ROTATE JUST ONE SEGMENT OF THE ELKTROMAGNET IN ONE DIRECTION

I SEE IS GOOD  THAT PICTURE BUT  THERE IS  NO   ELKTROMAGNET ROTATTION THERE 

THE FILD IS  STUK THERE AND  IS EVERY WHERE  AUROND THE  ALL   TETRA DIVICE
IS  NOT CONCENTRATE TO ONE  DIRECTION
WHEN IS  STRAT  FIRST COIL THE FILD HAS NOT  PROPERTLY   POINTED  IS AUROND  <<AND IS NOT GIVEN  RAID  DIRECTION   FORCE  TO MAKE    SOME >
MY THINKING IS   WHEN IS STRAT ONE   LETS SAY COIL    THE FILD IS  AUROND THE  AND HE DIDNT MAKE   ANY FORCE FILD  HO WHILL BE CONCENTRATE TO  ONE POINT TO    THE     COMPASS   AND IS <<STUK THERE>
IMAGEN   IF   YOU HAVE BALL  AND YOU LIKE TO SHOT IN ONE DIRECTION    AND YOU POINT THE  ENERGY FORCE   IN  ONE  DIRECTION  OF THE BALL
IF YOU MAKE  FORCE   THE BALL   OF THE DIFERENTS POINTS AND SHOT  IN THE SAME TIME   OF  TWO PLACE OF THE SAME TIME  THE BALL  WHILL  NO MOVE

I THINK  POINT THE  <COMPASS OR   BALL   WHIT FORCE   EXSACTLY  IN ONE   DIRECTION  IF YOU WHANT TO  MOVE   OR   IF YOU DONT   POINT THE  COMPASS IS NOT ROTATE 

@GIANT KILER
WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND HOW IS GOING   <<DID  YOU REALEASET THE ELKTRONES  TO MOVE   OUT OF THE    COPER> ;)

 

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on September 08, 2008, 06:05:12 PM
HI TO ALL

  WHATT IF IS COMPASS  ROTATE WHAT THEN

 THIS  NOT MEAN THAT  WHILL MAGNET FILD  ROTATE  <<NO>

WE NEED TO  ROTATE JUST ONE SEGMENT OF THE ELKTROMAGNET IN ONE DIRECTION

I SEE IS GOOD  THAT PICTURE BUT  THERE IS  NO   ELKTROMAGNET ROTATTION THERE 

THE FILD IS  STUK THERE AND  IS EVERY WHERE  AUROND THE  ALL   TETRA DIVICE
IS  NOT CONCENTRATE TO ONE  DIRECTION
WHEN IS  STRAT  FIRST COIL THE FILD HAS NOT  PROPERTLY   POINTED  IS AUROND  <<AND IS NOT GIVEN  RAID  DIRECTION   FORCE  TO MAKE    SOME >
MY THINKING IS   WHEN IS STRAT ONE   LETS SAY COIL    THE FILD IS  AUROND THE  AND HE DIDNT MAKE   ANY FORCE FILD  HO WHILL BE CONCENTRATE TO  ONE POINT TO    THE     COMPASS   AND IS <<STUK THERE>
IMAGEN   IF   YOU HAVE BALL  AND YOU LIKE TO SHOT IN ONE DIRECTION    AND YOU POINT THE  ENERGY FORCE   IN  ONE  DIRECTION  OF THE BALL
IF YOU MAKE  FORCE   THE BALL   OF THE DIFERENTS POINTS AND SHOT  IN THE SAME TIME   OF  TWO PLACE OF THE SAME TIME  THE BALL  WHILL  NO MOVE

I THINK  POINT THE  <COMPASS OR   BALL   WHIT FORCE   EXSACTLY  IN ONE   DIRECTION  IF YOU WHANT TO  MOVE   OR   IF YOU DONT   POINT THE  COMPASS IS NOT ROTATE 

@GIANT KILER
WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND HOW IS GOING   <<DID  YOU REALEASET THE ELKTRONES  TO MOVE   OUT OF THE    COPER> ;)

 



I am labeling the green loop as copper(it makes skin turn green) or iron wire (it has the green nylon jacket). The conductor can be placed anywhere in the fields. There are 3 three coils in the picture. I will do rat shack spool test tonight.

@all,
Now here is a really big bomb.
If you look at the picture of Wardenclyffe with Nikola in it. We know that the picutre is altered. I think he is there to protray a huge answer. In that picture there are T-coils on the floor. They are are inside a huge canister like coil that runs the perimeter. Why?
He is sparking in the field!
Now we have seen multiple small examples of a frequency driven coil inside a DC biased coil haven't we?

Now lets reverse the configuration. In the Hubbard we have a moving field outside the canister like coil. I am thinking that any size drive parameter is ok. Spark gap, HV, or LV pulses of 12v @ 2amp. The last specification is what I run with most of the time. Hubbard used a distributor to channel the spark to 8 locations sequentially

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on September 08, 2008, 09:35:00 PM
I have my controller built now, need to test it yet, i have also built the tetra frame but need to spend some time working on the coils.

Peter
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spider on September 08, 2008, 10:00:16 PM
Excellent build Peter,

Looking forward to your results!!!


Spider.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: NRG4EVR on September 08, 2008, 11:20:09 PM
@Spider
 Nice build on the Tetra coils. First post here for me.
What PIC are you using for your controller? I have been thinking about trying one myself.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on September 09, 2008, 12:35:15 AM
uC's and PWM circuits are not the way to go for this application; too slow and noisy

standby for chap.2
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spider on September 09, 2008, 07:03:27 PM
This is what we want!!!!!!!!!!!!   ;D ;D ;D

Spider

Delphi Rules  8)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 09, 2008, 07:16:41 PM
Can you switch your IGBT's on and off in 20ns?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spider on September 09, 2008, 07:21:24 PM
@Grumpy,

I dont know yet. Some one told me I could reach 3,5ns with the igbt driver combo. But my EE skills still suck.
I am anxiously waiting for Poynts circuit schematic.

Programming I am much better at. LOL

Spider
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Vortex1 on September 10, 2008, 12:19:49 AM
Is anyone able to access page 4, Master of Magnetics thread? I and another see a blank page or no return. I think this page has the decisive Dr. Schinzinger test report #2.

Here's the link to p4 or you can go there and try it.      http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.120.html

I queried Stephan Hartmann, but no info as yet.

....V
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 10, 2008, 12:42:48 AM
== February 07, 2006 ==

Schizinger Report

ROLAND SCHINZINGER PhD. Report on Test of Energy Device

At the request of Mr. Richard Mincherton I was present on October 28th at a test demonstration of a device that its inventor claims will produce electric power without measurable energy input except as derived from the earth'’ magnetic and gravitational fields.

The test was conducted at the inventor's home. I was allowed to bring and use measuring instruments, but because the inventor had to leave after 11 hours, I was not able to conduct independent tests on my own.

Based on my observations, I can attest to the fact that the three models of the device displayed and tested on that day did indeed light up one, two and six light bulbs (each rated at 100 watt and 120 volt) respectively. This was less then the figures quoted to me before the test, but still adequate to demonstrate that the devices function in some fashion.

The smallest unit produced 140 to 150 volts unloaded and 60 to 90 volts when lighting one 100-watt bulb.

The mid-sized unit produced 250 volts unloaded, and was observed producing 142 Volts at .5 Ampere after 30 minutes of lighting two bulbs.

The largest unit produced 798 Volts unloaded. With a six-bulb load the voltage dropped to 420 Volts.

It was difficult to determine how many hours the devices may be able to operate because the
inventor ended the demonstration after 11 hours. I could not detect any time-varying magnetic field that might have provided an external energy input.

After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments (though not the ontroller box located at the center of the device). These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance.
October 29, 1995 Roland Schinzinger
RESUME ROLAND SCHINZINGER
Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering (UCI)
Professor Emeritus of Electrical Engineering (UCI)
PhD, Univ. California, Berkeley 1966
MS, “ 1954
BS, “ 1953
Westinghouse Design School / U. of Pittsburgh 1955
Apprenticeship (Technikum), Bosch Co. 1947
High School (Doitsu Gakuin, Tokyo, Abitur) 1945
Academic Appointments:
(UCI) Associate Dean 1979-83, 1985-86
(UCB)Teaching Fellow 1963-65
Robert College Istanbul Turkey:
Associate Professor 1962-63
Associate Professor 1958-62
University of California, energ. & Mgt. (Grad Program) 1991-92
California State Polytechnic University 1978-80
University of Santa Maria, Brazil 1993
University of Kariruhe, Germany-
Power and High Voltage Institute 1986
University of Manchester Inst. Of Science and Tech.-
And Imperial College, London: 1972-73
Honors:
Fellow, Institute of Electrical and Electronics Eng.,(IEEE)
Fellow, Institute for the Advancement of Engineering
Award for Contributions to Professionalism (IEEE)
1983 Centennial Medal (IEEE)
Science Faculty Fellow (Natl. Sc. Foundation) 1964-65
Sangamo Prize Fellowship (Sangamo Electric) 1953
Honor Societies HKN, TBN, Sigma xi
Listed in “Who’s Who, Am. Men & Women in Science and Engineering
Publications:
Over 70 technical papers, plus numerous reports and commentaries.
Also four books: Ethics in Engineering McGraw-Hill
Conformal Mapping P.A.Laura
Emergencies in Water Delivery Davis Pub.
Electrical Laboratory SIMA Ltd.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Vortex1 on September 10, 2008, 01:50:58 AM
Thanks Grumpy,

I already have a copy of the reports, I was just curious why that page is unavailable. Hoped others would try to access the page as a test.

BTW that is the earlier Schinzinger report #1 available on page 2 Master of Magnetics. There was also a test report #2 posted on March 20, 2006

In comparing the two reports SM seems to have made significant advances in output regulation between the Feb 7 and March 20 2006 posts, which are actual test report dates of Oct 29, 1995 and Dec 12, 1995 or 14 days span.

The report is a good refresher though.

Sorry for off topic.

V
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: jeanna on September 10, 2008, 01:58:21 AM
Thanks Grumpy,

I already have a copy of the reports, I was just curious why that page is unavailable. Hoped others would try to access the page as a test.

BTW that is the earlier Schinzinger report #1 available on page 2 Master of Magnetics. There was also a test report #2 posted on March 20, 2006

The report is a good refresher though.

Sorry for off topic.

V
It comes as a blank page on 2 different browsers including firefox.

jeanna
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 10, 2008, 05:43:57 AM
I can not access those pages either, but  I saved a great deal of the old posts:

Quote
This is a copy of a letter I received from Dr. Schinzinger during our period of correspondence. It is probably around 1995 or so.
 
 
Roland Schinzinger
Ph.D.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691
 
Dear Steven,
 
Thank you for your kind words of sympathy regarding my loss. We both share similar feelings.
 
In your letter you asked my opinion:  I think it is a miracle that your device works. Exactly how it converts energy is elusive to both of us at this time. That does not mean we shouldn't apply ourselves to know for sure. My offer to work with you still stands. I understand your difficulties with the gentlemen you work for and I will not take your decision personally. I will be glad to talk to you and help you all I can. My offer to work on the project was made with the greatest respect and not as some kind of justification to the Foremost Corporation. I told them that from what I could see of your units they did supply substantial amounts of both voltage and current. I told them I could not give any indication of the value of the discovery without knowing more about it. I did recommend that they invest necessary funds to continue working on the discovery and that I was interested in working with you. That is about all I said to them on the subject. Anything you may have heard to the contrary is not true.
 
To further our discussion, the reason you can not use small transformers within or at close proximity to your unit is because of the leakage fields of magnetic flux. They induce currents into nearby circuitry and most likely cause frequency changes in the operating point of the control unit. Remember when you inject even a small frequency component into sensitive frequency dependant equipment you can have a disaster. That is exactly what I believe is occurring when you try to use a transformer close to your units.  There will be all kinds of harmonics present within this field extending past the radio frequency range. If I were to compare the two I would say that toroidal transformers would be more susceptible. This may be contrary to common thought. Toroidal transformers have all their flux aligned with the grain of the steel used in them. This is the reason for their reduced size as compared with E I cores. When operated at higher flux density you can permit a smaller core. Toroids will always saturate quickly, however, E I transformers ramp up to saturation levels slowly. If anything, I would suggest you work with E I rather then Toroids. In either case I believe you will find that you will have to place the inverter well outside the collector coils.
 
You may also leave a message for me at my office at the University of California Irvine.
 
Sincerely,
 
Roland

==============================================

Quote
Roland Schinzinger
PhD.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691
 
December 1, 1995
 
Dear Steven,
 
Thank you for dinner the other night. I truly enjoyed the experience and the ride home together. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
 
When you get to be my age Steven you have learned how not to ruffle feathers. If I were in your shoes I would do exactly what we discussed.
 
I have talked to my associate about the problems as you see it involving the heat created by your unit when generating power. He is willing to assist us in finding a solution and he does not feel it is an insurmountable problem.
 
The current involved no matter how slight must be a contributing factor, regardless. We must first consider all the working principles and decide how to go about solving the problem.
 
I look forward to seeing you and your unit at my laboratory around eight thirty on Saturday morning.
 
I will have only one observer and we will be otherwise alone.
I promise you that we will give an honest evaluation of everything we observe and will attest to what we find.
 
If you need to talk to me first you may leave a message for me at my office at the University of California Irvine.
 
Sincerely,
 
Roland

===================

Second test report:

Quote
Roland Schinzinger
PhD.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691
 

Second report on Energy Device
 
At the request of Steven Mark I agreed to thoroughly test his invention of an energy device “toroid” at my laboratory at the UCI campus.
With me was John Sanchez who will act as an observer and Mr. Mark who will operate his device for the tests.
 
The device is reported to develop measurable amounts of electric power beyond any known battery or storage device. In fact the inventor claims that his device will create electric power indefinitely as long as it is permitted to cool at intervals.
 
Mr. Mark arrived promptly at 8:30 AM and wasted no time in permitting my examination of two units.
The first unit was roughly shaped like a large donut. It measured approximately 4.72” across with an inside diameter hole of 3” making a core width approximately 1” thick
The unit was exactly 2” tall, resembling a “Toroid”. I did not measure the weight however the unit was extremely light when held in the hand.
 
Mr. Mark connected the unit directly to a 100 watt 120 volt incandescent light bulb and caused the unit to operate. It did in fact illuminate the incandescent bulb quite brightly. I measured the voltage at 137 volts D.C. exactly, (ObS). See note*
I then measured the current flowing through the wires to the bulb at a steady one-ampere, (ObS).
We noted the time at 9:06 AM.,(ObS).
We next measured the light output from the bulb with a luminescence meter and noted that it read2.5, (ObS). Next we measured a similar incandescent bulb placed in a socket powered from the main 120 volt (as measured) AC power provided to the laboratory. It measured 2.4 on the luminescence meter. This can probably be accounted for because the voltage as measured from the Toroid device is 137 volts and therefore 12 volts greater, generating a slight increase in light output over the incandescent light powered by the laboratory main power supply system.
The toroid device did indeed provide the standard voltage and current necessary to provide electric lighting for a 120-volt circuit.
The inventor then asked us for another bulb, which we provided him and he set about connecting the second bulb along with the first.
The second bulb was connected in parallel to the first and did indeed light just as brightly as the first.
I measured 137 volts now across the output just as before although the load had doubled and the impedance halved (ObS).
I measured the current flowing to the two bulbs at just less then 2-amperes, (ObS).
The inventor stated that the unit would provide the two amperes at 137 volts for several hours, if not indefinitely. We were cautioned that the unit while in operation would generate heat leading to self-destruction if not shut down and permitted to cool. He claimed that after cooling the unit could be restarted and used again over and over.
We permitted the first unit to remain in operation and provide power for the two incandescent bulbs while we turned our attention to the second larger unit the inventor brought with him for testing.
 
The second unit was again toroid shaped with a large hole in the center. It was approximately 15” at the outside and 13 “ inside with a core thickness of approximately 1”.  The unit was 4” tall. The unit was not measured in weight but could be easily lifted with one hand, (ObS).
 
The inventor started the second larger unit in operation and cautioned myself and Mr. Sanchez not to touch the output leads from the device as they were at lethal potential. The time was 9:39 AM.
The inventor measured the output leads and told us there was 600 volts potential at several amperes.
He connected the unit to five 120 volt 100 watt incandescent light bulbs as provided by myself. The larger second unit did indeed brightly light the five incandescent bulbs brightly. These bulbs were wired in series.
I measured the current through the wire connected to the 5-bulbs at 1.1 ampere, (ObS). I measured the voltage at 614 volts D.C., (ObS).
 
The inventor then connected another five 120 volt light bulbs along with the first five making a total of ten 120 volt, 100 watt incandescent light bulbs lighting at equal intensity.
I measured the light output with a luminescence meter at 2.43 each light bulb, (ObS). I did not measure the current but calculated it to be 2 amperes at 614 volts.
I asked the inventor if this was the limit of the unit and he replied, “by no way.”
He provided a quick blow fuse rated at 50 amperes.
With two large electrical clamps and wiring, he shorted the fuse across the output terminals of the toroid and destroyed the fuse, (ObS). There was only a slight flickering of the ten incandescent bulbs as observed although there was a tremendous discharge of sparks from the output terminals of the toroid unit.
The inventor then gave me the fuse for examination. It was warm to the touch and smelled acrid, (ObS). It was a large 240 volt AC air conditioner disconnect fuse and designed for severe service duty, (OsS).
The inventor’s claim that the large toroid output terminals were at lethal potential was no longer in question.
 
The time was 11:20 AM when the inventor removed the small toroid unit from operation because of heat build up.
I examined the small toroid unit and it was indeed quite hot to the touch.
 
The unit had been in steady operation for exactly two hours and fourteen minutes.  Noted: 2-hours and 14 minutes, (ObS).
 
The load of 2- amperes at 137-volts did not change through the test period.
 
I can personally state that I do not know of any battery or storage device of this size or weight with this capability.
 

The time was 12:47 when the inventor removed the large toroid device from operation.
It had been in constant operation for three hours and eight minutes.
Noted: 3-hours and 8 minutes, (ObS).
 
The load of 10-amperes and the voltage of 614 volts did not change throughout the test with the exception that the voltage did began to fluctuate at 12:03 and began a slight decline to 598 volts by the end of the test. This could be due to heating of the unit while in operation.
 
I can personally state that I do not know of any battery or storage device of this size or weight with this capability.
 
I cannot determine how many hours the toriod units could potentially operate because of our limited time available for testing.
I can however state with relative certainty I believe the tests show great potential for this Toroid technology.
 
 
 
December 12, 1995                                                      Roland Schinzinger
 
*note:  (ObS)  “also observed by John Sanchez”.

==============================

25kw - now we're talkin'
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Mannix on September 11, 2008, 02:11:43 AM
http://www.butlerwinding.com/elelectronic-transformer/toroidal/tape_wound.html
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: otto on September 11, 2008, 10:55:03 AM
Hello all,

@Mannix

didnt the "big brains" here told us that to use a core is wrong??

Yes, Im using a core!!!

Otto
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on September 13, 2008, 11:43:13 PM
One coil done 3 to go

35SWG 1.85km 774 Ohms3.23Henrys

Peter
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 14, 2008, 12:14:20 AM
Hello all,

@Mannix

didnt the "big brains" here told us that to use a core is wrong??

Yes, Im using a core!!!

Otto

...and you have no good result because of it
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on September 14, 2008, 12:39:30 AM
Hi   to ALL
   
Hi   Mannix   << BODY GARD    FOR  TPU  >> 
 
WHAT NOW  YOU  WHILL  LIE  AS  HOW MANY TIMES  YOU WHILL  UP HERE AND SAY
 
WHAT  IS YOU PORPOSE OF   YOUR REPLY  FOR  THIS FORUM 
  YOU ARE TO LONG HERE  AND   I DONT SEE NOTHING  ALL  THIS YEARS  NO ENY PIC.  OR  SOME TPU  OF YOU  <<WHAT YOU WHANT >>YOU DONT HELP AS  YOU MAKE  AS  TO  LOSE  THE TIME   HERE
 
IF YOU ARE MAN FOR  AND  LETS SAY YOU  ARE GOOD  EXPERIMENTATOR  <<LET  SEE SOME OF YOU     <<TEST OR  SOME  OF  YOUR    gold  TPU >

EVERY PEOPLE HERE IS SHARE SOME  OR PICTURES  OR VIDEOS  >> 
YOU NOTHING  WAY

YOU  ARE  LOSE  TIME HERE
                                         
                                          WHEN YOU WHILL SHOW SOME VIDEO OR PIC     
\
                                          THEN WE  WHILL SEE  YOU  ANTEHER ASPECKT LIKE 

                                          GOOD MAN   
 


                                  NOW  YOU ARE NOT  THAT MAN
     

                              S.M ALL READY SHOW  THE VIDEO   YOU  DONT  ???
                                 ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on September 14, 2008, 03:25:39 PM
One coil done 3 to go

35SWG 1.85km 774 Ohms3.23Henrys

Peter

Hi Peter,

Nice wind!  How did you manage this?  I built a coil winder with PIC micro and stepper motors, but I could not get something this good!


Regards,

Dave.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on September 14, 2008, 03:44:16 PM
Hi Dave
Thanks for the comments.

LOL i was going to build a coil winder just as you described, but thought i would try a manual wind first, it was not so hard really.
i wanted a 38mm hole in the middle and 19mm square cross section coil, because i am driving at 330v fast pulses, i needed as much wire as i could get on the coil to increase the resistance.

I bought some 38mm washers with 8mm hole in middle, i used enough washers side by side to give me 19mm, i then placed two old cd's each side and two mdf disks i cut the same size as the cd's for stiffening the cd walls i then used 2 large washers to hold all together with long 8mm bolt.
I put down a thin layer of insulation tape over the washers to wind onto.

I then placed the 8mm bolt into a speed variable battery drill and held in a vice,i fed the wire through a long small dia tube to hold and feed the wire into carefull layers, with a bit of concentration and practise i got very good results, every 20 layers or so i stopped winding and brushed a layer of Laquer on the wire, i continued this until all 1.85km were wound.

I then put two more coats of laquer on the outside of the coil, and when dry i carefully dismantled the mdf and cd's, this was tricky because the cd's were glued to the coil so i used some fresh laquer to redissolve at the cd interface and then with a gentle twist of the cd removed it.

Once both cd's were removed, i then painted both flat sides with about 4 layers of Laquer with good soakings and when dry, i then removed the washers from the center, and then painted laquer on the inside.

I used a fast drying Laquer 30 minuets drying time.

Hope that helps

the finished coil is over 0.5kg Gulp

Peter
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CTG Labs on September 14, 2008, 03:47:35 PM
i continued this until all 1.85km were wound...

Ya, a lot of wire!

How long did the over all wind take?


Regards,

Dave.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on September 14, 2008, 03:57:28 PM
Heres a picture of the Tetra Frame, i used 1.5mm card covered in masking tape as the mold, then filled with resin.

Peter
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on September 14, 2008, 04:01:30 PM
It takes about 30-40 minutes to wind it, and then a day or two of laquer painting on and off.
Even with the drill at full speed i was able to get good control over the layering, it almost finds it's own path across with a gentle help.

Peter
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: wattsup on September 14, 2008, 06:19:33 PM
@Peterae

Nice wind. I am wondering if you could please try something that will help with my continued curiosity with all sorts of coils using the same test method. This I call the Coil Handyguy Test because it is based on his swinging device. I have made a diagram below to explain a simple test and would like to know if your coil will make voltage rise. If you have two small neomagnets and a metal shaft, a diode, a high mf cap and a voltmeter this would take about 5 minutes. You may find the result very revealing.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Elvis Oswald on September 14, 2008, 07:12:57 PM
Hi all.  I just found this thread today and thought I'd record my two-cents.

I had followed the thread about S.M. - and while I do believe there is a natural source of energy that can be tapped without "work" - I was convinced that S.M. was full of S.H.I.T.

However - the first post of this thread makes sense.  He just didn't know how it worked.

The description in the first post, of iron magnets, is inline with what Ed Ledskalnin said he knew about what he called individual pole magnets.  He said these monopoles ran against each other with a 'right hand twist'... that they were flowing in one pole of the earth, and out the other.
These monopoles preferred to flow through metal.

He said that the iron simply allowed this force to flow through it.  That this is the result of the alignment of the underlying structure sounds reasonable.
That steel can be magnetized by applying electricity (and realigning the underlying structure) makes sense as well.

In regards to heterodyning, anyone fine tuning in order to achieve a difference frequency that is [some significant harmonic] of the other frequencies?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on September 15, 2008, 03:48:29 AM
@wattsup,
Joseph Newman.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on September 15, 2008, 03:54:32 AM

In regards to heterodyning, anyone fine tuning in order to achieve a difference frequency that is [some significant harmonic] of the other frequencies?


welcome!

I am in process of connecting a 4 channel cntlr to 8 bifilars. 16 tanks. cntlr has other flavors also.
coils also have removable iron/

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: otto on September 15, 2008, 06:24:34 AM
Hello all,

I have to clarify something:

For me, everything except wires is a core. A strip, a donut plate........it depends only what metal(s) you use as a core.

@Grumpy

because Im using a core I HAVE success.

Otto
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: b0rg13 on September 15, 2008, 06:28:24 AM
Hello all,

I have to clarify something:

For me, everything except wires is a core. A strip, a donut plate........it depends only what metal(s) you use as a core.

@Grumpy

because Im using a core I HAVE success.

Otto

GOOD to hear Otto, keep up the good work!.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: dani1 on September 15, 2008, 11:56:53 AM
Hallo Otto,

>>There is of course a reason I use 40 and 60 turns but this is a long story that I will post in a few days when I have a verification of my little theory.

Ich freue mich für Dich, dass du mit deinen Forschungen weitergekommen bist, find es aber letztendlich doch schade, dass du darüber nichts detailiert mehr posten willst, aus Angst jemand verseuche deinen PC.

Gruß, Dani


(Das ist so doch blödsinn. Besorge dir ein ordenliches Antivirenprogramm, halte deinen PC durch Windowsupdate auf dem neusten Stand, und installiere eine zusätzliche Firewall. Dann wähle dich noch mit einem Router in das Internet. Wenn du meinst dein Computer ist schon verseucht, nimm die die Zeit und installiere Windows neu auf eine neue Festplatte, und hole dir deine alten benötigten Dateien über usb (mit einem festplattengehäuse) in den neu aufgesetzten rechner. Erst wenn du abgeschottet bist, gehe wieder ins Internet)
 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: otto on September 15, 2008, 01:04:37 PM
Hello all,

no, Im not afraid of viruses and attacs to my PC.

I dont want to post SHIT and MISLEAD people. I see here a lot of people are building TPUs, posting schematics, their results....

I dont want to jump in like in the past.

Just a short one about cores:

some people forgot Esa Manu and his posts??

Otto
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: BEP on September 15, 2008, 01:18:39 PM

some people forgot Esa Manu and his posts??

Otto

@Otto,

Not at all  ;) but finding a balance of materials has been impossible for me. To me the primary purpose for a 'core' is to be the primary winding driving the control coil of the next core.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: otto on September 15, 2008, 01:45:20 PM
Hello all,

@BEP

yes, the cores are the main problem. You can use magnetic or non magnetic  metals or both, I dont know. What I kow is that with various cores I have totally different results and totally different connections in a TPU.

I think I made a big mistake in my TPU work:

I should have a  better look at the open TPU where we can count the biffilar numbers of the control coils and then use various cores to get a working TPU. This would be the best way, I hope at least.

Otto
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on September 16, 2008, 11:34:50 PM
is anyone here up to the challenge of working with the document i uploaded and or working toward the next step of correlating it to SM's devices? or are all just waiting for it to be handed to you on a silver platter? i thought there would be some discussion about it thus far but since there have been no pm's to me or posts on it, apparently no one is looking at it. wow, seems to me that a lot of the hard work was just done for you, but it's not getting through i guess. i'm not asking you to work with me or help me, i'm wondering if anyone is alive out there and can see any value in what was presented. if it's trash then you can say so.

Mannix? any comment?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on September 17, 2008, 12:13:49 AM
Hello all,

Just a short one about cores:

some people forgot Esa Manu and his posts??

Otto

That was a whole diffrent story.


seems to me that a lot of the hard work was just done for you


Get a life.


are all just waiting for it to be handed to you on a silver platter?


Finally you start to understand what is happening.

Hello all,

I HAVE success.

Otto

Show me yours and i will show you mine.....
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on September 17, 2008, 01:10:51 AM
Get a life.

of course you're right marco; it was "easy".

the ball is in your court then.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 17, 2008, 01:44:26 AM
is anyone here up to the challenge of working with the document i uploaded and or working toward the next step of correlating it to SM's devices? or are all just waiting for it to be handed to you on a silver platter? i thought there would be some discussion about it thus far but since there have been no pm's to me or posts on it, apparently no one is looking at it. wow, seems to me that a lot of the hard work was just done for you, but it's not getting through i guess. i'm not asking you to work with me or help me, i'm wondering if anyone is alive out there and can see any value in what was presented. if it's trash then you can say so.

Mannix? any comment?

I replied back a few pages in this thread.  Maybe you missed it:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4297.msg124676.html#msg124676

Most, if not all, of what you wrote has been brought up before.  It's all rather irrelevent unless you wind some coils and the only ones I see doing that are Peterae and Spider.  The hard work is not in writing up how you think something works.  The hard work is in showing how it works, and I recall you repeatedly asking for this very thing.

Now is a good time to "crap or get off the pot" with this thread and either build the device or leave it to the builders, Peterae and Spider.

the ball is in your court, Poynt99
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on September 17, 2008, 02:40:37 AM
ic, well that explains a lot.

it's interesting how it's usually only those that feel they are elite somehow, and yet have produced nil results themselves that pipe up.

there are those that do appreciate the work that's gone into the document. not all are so negative, short-sighted, and knee-jerkish in their reactions. some may even be those that receive your kingly praise.

the thread's all yours grumpy
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 17, 2008, 03:06:31 AM
ic, well that explains a lot.

it's interesting how it's usually only those that feel they are elite somehow, and yet have produced nil results themselves that pipe up.

there are those that do appreciate the work that's gone into the document. not all are so negative, short-sighted, and knee-jerkish in their reactions. some may even be those that receive your kingly praise.

the thread's all yours grumpy

You missed my poynt.  I was trying to coax you into building the device rather than discussing how it works.

Nil results?  I've had and posted many results - most dispelling the myths surrounding radiant electricity - such as the "green arc".  I also showed that a compass will align to a static electric field as well as a magnetic field.

I have no results with this device because I'm not trying to build it.  Maybe I should. 

Spherics handed to this forum on a "silver platter" and the response has been rather "ungrateful" - with the exception of a couple of people building.

Let's see now.  Four coils alike, yada yada, pulse three by phase and fourth with each of the three.  Only 300v?  NMR reference puts you in the MHZ range...doopty do...

So you could probably use something like a ring counter or Johnson counter, run the top coil off the clock and the rest off the counter.  Use counter output to trigger avalanche mode transistors or mosfets with delay line to set duration of the pulse.  Find Earl's ratrace controller in the Earl's Corner thread - this circuit has adjustment of the pulses - delay and width.  Google the avalanche stuff.  Google the hv power supply.

Anyone see why this approach will not work?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 17, 2008, 05:50:01 AM
Link to Earl's Corner:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2996.msg43797.html#msg43797

He has many ideas for pulse generation in this thread - time to try them.

(Of course a PIC is an alternative to logic IC's.)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: otto on September 17, 2008, 06:24:06 AM
Hello all,

@Marco

not now. Later.

Otto
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Mannix on September 17, 2008, 07:23:56 AM
Link to Earl's Corner:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2996.msg43797.html#msg43797

He has many ideas for pulse generation in this thread - time to try them.

(Of course a PIC is an alternative to logic IC's.)

Grumpy,
That thread is off limits to most people here


Otto good work! ..I hope that you can make it clear enough for others to follow
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: otto on September 17, 2008, 08:37:03 AM
Hello all,

@Mannix

thanks. I learned here that photos, videos, pdfs are a must. No problem.

As Im not jet on the "end point" of my work it will take a time to finish my work. I dont care how long it will take but this "journey" is the best I ever made!!!

Otto
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: khabe on September 17, 2008, 01:54:02 PM
This kind of OverUnities I do believe,
Very promising heading :o
Where to find out what title described  - Complete information on working SM style device ???
Did read several times - not even uncomplete information found,
Closer speaking, between us - found nothing  :-\
Seems classified information, fully encrypted ,
Somewhere non-encrypted version exists ;)
Best regards,
khabe

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 17, 2008, 03:05:09 PM
Grumpy,
That thread is off limits to most people here

Then go here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4297.msg83736.html#msg83736

and here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4297.msg83397.html#msg83397

and here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2582.msg36504.html#msg36504

and here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2582.msg38506.html#msg38506

Same as Earl says except you are triggering a device in avalanche mode rather than turning it on and off.

Really doesn't matter though, does it?  One in a million will actually try it.  Ten in a billion will actually stay with it long enough to make it work. The rest will stay behind.

I have 164's, 74's, etc.  Need to finish soldering my power supply and will wind the coils end of this week.

I'll post some avalanche stuff later today.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on September 17, 2008, 05:06:53 PM
Earl the use of iron NMR seems important. Our visitor explains the reasons why we are going for iron and not copper, silver or gold. Only iron interacts with the ether by providing us with magnetic field. The others don't and he also explains for good reason there is NO iron in the tpu. Basically we are simulating a chunk of iron revolving at high frequencies by emulation that the coil is not a coil at all but we are producing NMR of iron.

Can you see where this is heading if you emulate iron then spin it and wrap wire around it you have a generator!

"The frequency should be a harmonic of the NMR of iron. Do not use iron anywhere in your device this will only cause huge eddy current problems. Iron is magnetic because of the geometry and spacing of its atoms (stationary waves remember) which interact with the ether flow in a resonant fashion despite what you may already believe! The NMR is directly linked to this geometric spacing and hence to the resonant frequency of the ether."

Yes makes perfect sense! The TPU is replicating a spinning iron atom. We take the pure definition of a iron core spinning in 3D space and reconstruct the effect electrically. The ether then believes we have a bit of iron spinning at high speed and will provide the same effects.

This points to the spinning magnetic field.
The 164 points to driving that.
Searl, Hamel, TTBrown, SM, Deyo, Hubbard, Coler, Spherics have these devices. They all spin by different means.
Leedskalnin and Keely both levitated very heavy objects by wrapping a copper wire around the target.

If anyone wants the answers then here ya go. Take this process, and what Grumpy posted, and what Earl posted. Ain't that complicated.

There are alot of people here that I respect in deep reverence. I have been taught by a willingness to learn. Good advice for any of the newbies coming on board.

Or how about this take.
After 2 years of reading, posting, building, testing and jumping around with glee the information here is what I have constantly seen arise in any of the designs. They were before any of us.

--giantkiller. Peace.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on September 17, 2008, 05:42:48 PM
    Basically massless charge carriers creating charged space resonance and a massless electric current with all the magnetic field goodies.  This energy coerced from intrinsic mass energy or energy storage units.  HMMMM!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on September 17, 2008, 05:48:18 PM
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4297.msg83397.html#msg83397
And all the links including viewing the html source is very relevant.

I gather from Keely it is the space between the atomic components and between the molecules or Dynaspheric energy that we coerce to move in ways that return greater energy. Like smacking a hornets nest. :o
We work or align the sub-atomic components to attract or repell the molecules using the compression or expansion between the molecules. The Dynaspheric action is the extra effect. Normally the atoms don't move which gives a static piece of matter. Alter the covalent bonding or shake the lattice and you can disintegrate quartz to get the gold. Or like Bolt posted 'Spin to simulate an iron molecule' and the local magnetic field will look invisible to the earth field. Tweek that just right and levitate.

--giantkiller. I liked to buy a P.H.D., please.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on September 17, 2008, 06:35:46 PM
Hubbard, Searl, Coler coils are coil-centric. That is they have a copper receiver in the center. The center & perimeter coils all stand up. This vertical model cause the action on the center.

Tesla 464666(below), Marco avatar(below), T.T.Brown are horizontal models. The coils lay down. The collector/copper receiver attaches at the perimeter. The wiping or electron precession happens on the periphery. There is concentrated flux at the intersection of the coil pole and the moment of copper.
Also in the avartar there is a stick figure standing on a disk and he is holding the planet up. Kind of like Leedskalnin. He levitates and levitates a load.

The Hamel is horizontal. The magnetic pole pushes against the steel drum encasement. The magents spin is on a sine altered plane. There are 3 of these. The sine wave peaks randomly encroach upon adjacent sine planes giving a compression and decompression. He did a great job here. At high speed this device turns into a magnetic bubble. Now it is possible to see how this thing took off vertically and was never seen again. And it shut down the grid for 40 square miles. Not too difficult to understand.

http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/00464666.pdf I know it looks different and is documented different. But we know now that he puts things inside of things.
Put one or two pancake coils on the axis of this for the collector. There are even holes in the center should you decide to go mechanical at this stage. ???

The cyclical frequency has to match some precession harmonic.

--giantkiller. These are the answers I came here for.  8)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 18, 2008, 02:24:48 AM
Hey Poynt99,

I didn't know you had updated your document:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5486.msg126335.html#msg126335

Very nice compilation and deductions.  You view if things is not so different from my own.

So, you gonna build it?  "Substantial voltage and current" just waiting to be had.  Come on - winter is coming - you can run a heater off this thing - or Christmas lights for the entire house - chill your beer for free.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on September 18, 2008, 03:53:20 AM
     @gk

   That patent is for a single phase induction motor.  Which is interesting in that it was found later that the auxillary winding could be disconnected at 3/4 full load rpm and the motor still able to run with just the main winding energised.  The stator magnetic field shifting supported by the rotating armature transformer currents.   I read a book on this subject and at the conclusion the author admitted that the magnetic circuit in this type single phase induction motor was still not fully understood.  This was after 40 or 50 pages of mathmatical formulaes chord and vector reconstructions etc.  I wasn't happy.  IMO a leg got dropped on a 3phase motor and it kept spinning and the manufacturers went on from there. 

    @all

    I still fail to conceive how a rotating magnetic field is going to be observed electrically unless there is some poles set up in the flux intensity.  A motor yes a torroidal transformer?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 18, 2008, 06:11:08 AM
If you put a battery across the collector toroid, where is the magnetic field?

We are doing that in reverse - applying the magnetic field to the coil and taking out electricity.

Of course the fact that you can put two copper rods in the field and get the goods puts a twist on the simple explanation.

In brief, because a conductor is already has excess charge, an aether field moving across it will impart a force to this charge - ta-da

Coils are wound - will post a pic when I have more time.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on September 18, 2008, 01:02:57 PM
heloo
 all
 
zdravo prijatelju kako ide   <otto>

<marco>  yes is not important  to move  the stuff is  all  auround <pick up  some    voltage  is  free now>> 

      i like TUBEs  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Vortex1 on September 19, 2008, 02:57:11 PM
This avatar looks possibly like the stator and rotor assembly of a ceiling fan motor, one of the more efficient 18 pole type. Looks like Marco has the stator, and rotor locked together with tie wraps. Notice the bolt pattern for the blades at the center of the rotor assembly.

You need lots of poles when the desired rotation speed is low, unless the motor is operated in slip, which is less efficient. This is why the better (more efficient) fans have a large diameter hub.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on September 19, 2008, 04:34:26 PM
Well i pulled that out of an old 5'25 floppy disk drive spindle motor.
You know these big floppy's you could bend.
These kind of motors operate with Hall sensors and a 2 or 3 phase controller.
The clock of this one runs at 650Khz.
But i have build better things to test what happens at what speed.

Marco.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on September 19, 2008, 05:37:31 PM
The red coils are bifilar. The red clip represents the inner wind while the white clip is hooked to the outer windings matching up against the white cable ties. The yellow clip is common. The green collector is where the precession happens. Could be iron wire.

In the bifilars we have a field within a field. Pulsed at the right speed the impedance is the delay between the 2 coils.
This still represents a high speed rotating magnetic field. The red statements are the clue. Not looking in a standard way.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Vortex1 on September 19, 2008, 10:26:43 PM
Thanks for clarifying that, Marco. I should have noticed it is a little too small for a fan motor, compared to the clipleads. Were you able to get the magnetic field to rotate with this configuration?

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on September 19, 2008, 11:18:15 PM
No it was just switching coils.
Rotating magnetic fields do not exist.
Magnetic fields are stationary in space.
We can only create the apperance of a rotating field by switching coils or by moving the object that causes this effect.

Marco.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on September 20, 2008, 12:00:13 AM
     @Marco

         I beleive it is the alignment of the mass radiated electromagnetic field  energy of the copper that yields any seeming overunity effects.  The copper atoms randomized broadcast is altered by the impulse energy traveling through the copper mass.  The ambient dielectric and magnetic vectors soon return this copper mass broadcast to a confused state.  Therefore it is necessary to create a receiver that stores the radiant energy in a resonant form of some type or control the amount of external field energy exposure.     In Spherics design I see none of this.
Just 4 pulsed bifilar solenoid coils pointing at each other.  The copper re stored in an air armature.  This would be a torsion field that goes 360.  Perhaps each 1/2 revolution of which can be recaptured as the field unwinds?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on September 20, 2008, 10:02:32 AM
     @Marco

         I beleive it is the alignment of the mass radiated electromagnetic field  energy of the copper that yields any seeming overunity effects.  The copper atoms randomized broadcast is altered by the impulse energy traveling through the copper mass.  The ambient dielectric and magnetic vectors soon return this copper mass broadcast to a confused state. 


Okay so this i can follow.
In simple terms it would say pulse copper mass with fast high voltage spikes to generate the RE shockwave and add in a delay element to intensify this effect.


 Therefore it is necessary to create a receiver that stores the radiant energy in a resonant form of some type or control the amount of external field energy exposure.     In Spherics design I see none of this.
Just 4 pulsed bifilar solenoid coils pointing at each other.  The copper re stored in an air armature.  This would be a torsion field that goes 360.  Perhaps each 1/2 revolution of which can be recaptured as the field unwinds?


This i cannot follow exactly..
What do you mean by storing RE in a resonant form?
In simple terms, the RE just charges up the wires it hits.
Yes in Spherics design this happens in free space and this is important relating to Stevens heating problem.
In Stevens design the field was going through all the metal which resulted in huge eddy currents heating up the unit to levels of self destruction.
Anything you put into the RE zone will interact with it and so this is where you want your output coil only.

So i'm not sure what you mean by storing the RE.
This is simply done in a capacitor between the output coil and a reference terminal.

Marco.


Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on September 20, 2008, 04:37:14 PM
         @Marco

   
     I believe that the tpu pulls re from the copper collector winding.  The external circuit then reacts by filling this void.  Your explanation of the heating problem makes sense.  The energy flows into through and out of the tpu with  the currents creating  induction heating at the external field to control winding interface.  Now if these eddy currents were put to work somehow like spinning a ring armature the system would be more efficient.  I believe Tesla in creating his coil capacitor uses the current to create a dynamic capacitor whose charging is a byproduct of the current.   In the tpu this would require alot of engineering and additional coils.   Hmmmmm

     Below I have included a current transformer used for metering feeders to commerical buildings.  Tpu seems to just be the reverse of this action.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on September 20, 2008, 05:22:49 PM
I believe Tesla in creating his coil capacitor uses the current to create a dynamic capacitor whose charging is a byproduct of the current.   In the tpu this would require alot of engineering and additional coils.   Hmmmmm

Yes. This so true. I keep invisioning the dynamics of the tpu and the NT512340. Reverse engineering the later is almost nil because it is in plain sight. One just has to map the forces and vectors. These same elements could be manipulated in other configurations but any misalignments would show up as diminishing returns or extra undesirables like heat or runaway, the worst.

This is where the real adventure lies.

--giantkiller. You are in a maze of twisty, turny, little passages with exits in all directions.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: wattsup on September 20, 2008, 05:46:19 PM
@sparks

Here is something I have been mulling over as an idea for quit some time that may touch upon what you are saying.

Basically you have three coils.

First a coil (blue) is wound from top to bottom with one insulated magnet wire as two spheres. Since the coil is wound continuous, the top sphere would be north and the bottom south, or vise versa.

Over the blue sphere your wind a primary (red) coil of not too many winds. Again since the primary is one wire going over both spheres, the top would be north and the bottom south, again or vise versa.

Over this you put a wrap about 1/2" thickness of a non magnetic material (green) that is hard enough to wind a  last coil over.

Then you wind the final coil (orange) over the material in the same manner as the blue coil and again you will have a north polarity on top and south on the bottom or vise versa.

If both blue and orange coils are slightly energized, they should produce an outer and inner north polarity on the top and the same south polarity on the bottom. Then when you give a capacitor discharge to the primary this should shoot out RE into the space between both coil sections.

Now here is the question.

If the RE can be ejected from the primary with north polarity particles in the top portion and south polarity particles in the bottom section, then what will happen. These particles will be stuck between two coils of the same polarity as the RE and hopefully, because the coils will cause a repelling action on the same polarity particles, the RE will spin around and around on its own endlessly as long as the blue and orange fields are maintained.

As this spin occurs, this will create movement over the coils and should produce an electrical output from the blue and orange coils. Like two living poles of a battery. So you will have a self energized loop with output.

Maybe the spin will not be endless but if the coiling can perpetuate this action for a few seconds longer then the primary discharge, then a well timed capacitor discharge action on the primary will create more spin inside the coils hence energy output then the actual energy consumed.

Does this make sense?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on September 20, 2008, 09:35:43 PM
        The idea looks very interesting in as much as it creates a resonant chamber like earth's Schuman  cavity. 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on September 20, 2008, 11:38:23 PM
  Spherics may have been looking at the crop circles for his plans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLBePbCxhCA&feature=related
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on October 05, 2008, 03:27:23 AM
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(http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/mistakes.jpg)

(http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/stupidity.jpg)

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Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on October 05, 2008, 05:08:09 PM
  Spherics may have been looking at the crop circles for his plans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLBePbCxhCA&feature=related

Well i guess only closed minds can argue with that.

I refer to the water hammer by Keely.
http://www.code144.com/7129-6105195.php

If one does one thing then they become a limited being. But if one encompasses their dream then the dream encompasses them and they experience infinty through unity.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on October 05, 2008, 05:10:54 PM
Hey men Rosphere your not giving up are you?  :'(

M.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on October 05, 2008, 05:22:19 PM
    Stan Myers resonated the krap out of a watervapor, ionized exhaust gas from his engine and nitro mix.  As well as employing lazer excitation of the mix in a emwave reflecting cavity.  Compressed it and made his motor go vrooom vrooom.   Ask any truck driver if his engine doesn't get real perky when it's foggy.
I wonder if Leedskalin didnt have himself a crude microwave device in his box on top of his tetrahedral/tripod lift.  Exciting the coral blocks to become positively charged capacitor plates that get driven by the very negatively charged Earth?
    Imagine lifting a limestone block using a cell phone. ::)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Rosphere on October 05, 2008, 06:08:06 PM
Hey men Rosphere your not giving up are you?  :'(

M.

My money, my time, and my patience are all wearing a bit thin these days.  But, when I do have a small excess of these things, this quest is one of the few things that interests me.

No, I am not giving up; just using a bit of humor to cope with my shortcomings.  I had a little Lambrusco last night and I think those despair posters are hilarious.  Do not tell me that you did not get a chuckle or a grin from at least one of them.

Thank you for your kind words.

You want to tell the folks about your new avatar?   ;)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on October 05, 2008, 07:01:04 PM

You want to tell the folks about your new avatar?   ;)


It's from another thread my solid state Faraday disk generator.

Here is the vid http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item148 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item148)

Marco.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on October 05, 2008, 07:18:42 PM
      Cool idea Marco.  I always wanted to try pulsing a magnetic field inside an alternator stator that would duplicate a spinning rotor.  Something like an inside out motor stator inside an alternator stator but using timed impulse dc to create a rotating magnetic field effect.  I think GK and Local Joe did something to this effect.  I was going to take the rotor out of an automobile alternator and put copper shading coils in the rotor steel and pulse the rotor.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: turbo on October 05, 2008, 07:28:41 PM
But you never tried it.... right?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on October 05, 2008, 07:56:01 PM
     Not yet. :D   
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: wings on October 05, 2008, 10:08:11 PM
Spherical Waves of Electric, Magnetic and Gravitational Fields

http://www.grandunification.com/hypertext/ExperimentalEvidence.html#Experimental%20Proof%20of%20the%20BOLPM

wings
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on October 05, 2008, 10:11:37 PM
Well I got my latest setup swirling and twirling for a start.
I drive 4 pair of adjacent coils in a circle so it becomes a full 360 degrees. I can jerk a magnet. These coils are bifilar. So I have another 8 to drive. I got the heat sinks from monitors for the fets too. Just in case. At resonance I am at 2 amps or 5 amps off. The other 8 coils I am going to drive in the opposing direction.  Kinda like a sweet 16 combo. The clocks can be synced or duality. The control is 2 x 4 channels. I will build a 2 x 8 and a 16 channel mod next if need be.
I change the frequency and I can here the varying speed of this setup spin.

I saw the two last pieces of this great puzzle that I have been interested in. The hydrogen and water molecule model crop circles and the math to Ed. Leedskalnin Coral Castle. Totally fantastic. What a place to be with this knowledge in these times and in such a societal morasse of ignorance.

I'll be in Santa Domingo on the 14th when the big ships turn on.

@Rosphere, You can never go back... :o

--giantkiller. Thank you all very, very much for the support. :)

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spider on October 05, 2008, 10:18:50 PM
@GK,


Pics, video......? we love that!!!

:D :D


Spider
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on October 05, 2008, 10:54:54 PM
@GK,


Pics, video......? we love that!!!

:D :D


Spider
Oh the shame of it all, to have such an unbounded mess! But it runs. This is the step of the first power up to minor adjustments. I might have been premature but now I cam play. Mu ha ha ha ha.

I promise, I you don't touch that dial, I won't touch this setup. I just make tweaks. I am going for the really good scope shots. Maybe... These things have got to be tried.

@Marco,
That is a nice Faraday build!

--giantkiller.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Spider on October 05, 2008, 11:05:00 PM
Thanks GK,

I am beginning to see similarities with a design I am already quite familiar with, and its not the tetra. :)

Hope to hear your results soon!!

Spider
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on October 06, 2008, 12:26:30 AM
I am beginning to see similarities with a design I am already quite familiar with, and its not the tetra. :)

Uhhhh... Sanford and son's backyard?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: BEP on October 06, 2008, 12:52:44 AM
"Uhhhh... Sanford and son's backyard?"

@GK

At least you can see some of the bench surface!

Going by your last pic I would say - drive the radial coils in quadrature instead of ringing one little bell at a time. If so you may see some of the results Stephan Marinov reported  ;)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on October 06, 2008, 02:49:36 AM
@GK


         One thing I found out experimentally is that the clips used on rackshack jumpers are steel.  When I was setting up a capacitance coupled plazma excitor the steel on the alligator clips screwed up everything.  I was working in the low mhz range so it may not be a problem at lower freqs.  ???

@Wings

       I believe what is being described as light balls are spherical plazma constructs.  Something like tiny ball lightning rolling round the plazmoshpere.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on October 06, 2008, 04:22:19 AM
"Uhhhh... Sanford and son's backyard?"

@GK

At least you can see some of the bench surface!

Going by your last pic I would say - drive the radial coils in quadrature instead of ringing one little bell at a time. If so you may see some of the results Stephan Marinov reported  ;)


The mind is a funny thing. I know where all the wires go but I dare not straighten them up yet.  :D

!!! Yessir !!!
That is what this all about. I was contemplating my next setup. The quadrature timing worked on the GK4 reeeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy well.
I am always open too increasing the combinatorial factors. I will do quadrature next.

@sparks,
Yes. Steel accepted. I am in the 100k range. I thought you would recognize the coils. Partly your idea... 8)

@Rosphere,
I am working on a new medical device using pulsed magnets. I call it OUCPR! (Forgive me Eddy V.)This will work better than the toy on your avatar's chest. You know... In case you need to kick the ticker. :D

--giantkiller. We travel on.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on October 07, 2008, 05:12:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCf7SNUb-Q
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on October 07, 2008, 10:48:10 PM
Slow progress on my part.
I had to make 7 coils in total.
1 coil fell apart while taking the cd sides of when wet :(
1 coil was wrong size because i used too many washers so width was wider
1 coil inductance measured incorrectly yet resistance was correct when trimmed to 740 Ohms.
The other 4 coils i used were all good matches, all 740 Ohms +/- 0.5 Ohm @ 3.025 Henrys +/- 0.005 Henrys

The resonance frequency measured by the ringing period is 5.333 Khz

All coils mounted using 1.5mm card impregnated with Laquer as glue, Alignment has been checked and is dead on.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on October 07, 2008, 11:18:03 PM
Sweet! Match that up with Barbury castle crop circle.
http://www.cropcircleship.com/wiki/Barbury_Castle_Tetrahedron (http://www.cropcircleship.com/wiki/Barbury_Castle_Tetrahedron)

And this is a mix between the NT512340 patent A and B. Could also be a galaxy.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on October 08, 2008, 12:37:22 AM
     If we take microwaves and excite a metal to ionize air we get ourselves a plazma as one knows if he has ever nuked some chineese food and not removed the little steel handles on the takehome containers.  Now if we inject a water mist along with some seed hydrogen through this plazma we get ourselves some thunder.  The plazma depolarizes the water molecule to water molecule molecular bond and water goes to gas real fast.  This along with electrolysis of gaseous hoh and an abundance of oxygen and boom.
     Stan Meyer did this but he created his plazma flow using an ionized gas jet into the combustion chamber.  Hope that wasn't him out there in his water powered dune buggy making the crop circles. :)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on October 12, 2008, 09:52:25 PM
It is interesting that the crop circle swirls in a clockwise direction which for the uk is correct for water down a plug hole, i wonder if there is a similar crop circle in the southern hemisphere that swirls in the anti clockwise direction.

Looking down at Spherics layout picture coils X,Y,Z are pulsed in a fashion to fire in a anti clockwise config, so i wonder if this would alter in the nothern hemisphere as water goes down my plug hole clockwise, i am wondering if i should fire the coils the same as my water, i believe its the same for tornado's.

Peter
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on October 12, 2008, 10:25:51 PM
Which way does wind circulate around a low pressure area in the Southern hemisphere?   CCW from space up north.  A hipressure cw from space.  I believe a high pressure area is just a cyclone upside down where the point of the vortex is in the upper atomosphere.  This allows cold dense air from the upper atmosphere to travel down the eye wall and up goes the barometer.  Now if we accept the existence of neutrinos the Sun is a constant scource of these high velocity particle streams.  What does mother Earth do with em. I think she swirls them in at the poles and gets us a magnetosphere sheath for emradiation shielding.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: FunkyJive on November 02, 2008, 03:11:54 AM
I came across this topic following Google searches on Ether Resonance.

The first post sounded pretty plausible as the means for creating a solid vortex with the coil orientations, though what concerned me just a little was the mention of driving voltage (not current) as the means for energising the coils. Nevertheless, the field density that is created about an inductor is generally a function of the inductance (determines the rise time to full current), and the coil resistance (determines maximum possible current for a given drive voltage). It just seemed a little "odd" that drive voltage should specifically be mentioned, with no mention of the inductance or coil resistance, in relation to a given driving frequency.

Anyhow, as I say the theory looks pretty sound so worth a shot.

I have personally taken a somewhat different route, using impedance transformation to induce extremely high orthogonal circulatory currents about a conductiive "shell". This wasn't originally designed for energy extraction from the ether but more to do with studies into the feasibility of electromagnetic levitation and propulsion systems, though with currents in excess of 400A on each channel, and rise times of a few-hundred nanoseconds, I am seeing a small but significant 2-3 Amperes of resonant energy by way of a pulse train at about 6MHz. The amplitude is of-course phase-dependent and the driver that I designed doesn't allow me to tweak phase angles nearly far enough to see a considerable "exponential" rise by approaching a "tuned" phase-shift. Suffice to say I'll be doing a few mods and further experimentation in this field. I should also add at this point that the "resonant" energy that I'm seeing returned from the model has the following characteristics (which make my early observations somewhat interesting)...

The resonant frequency of the returned current does not change, and remains entirely independent of driving phase angles, pulse width (from 5us to 60us), drive frequency (1Hz to 10kHz) or applied driving voltage to the coils. Furthermore, it is completely   absent when driving either of the internal coils alone, irrespective of drive current. If the returned pulse where a product of the two driving waveforms, then the frequency would vary with changing phase or pulse width - which it does not.


The impedance transformation and high currents dampen transformer inductance, so that instead of lots of contributory windings (and corresponding inductance) to generate a given field intensity, this is transformed down to what amounts to effectively a shorted turn in the vertical plane in the model featured below, and ability to excite the coils at high transient speeds. The copper tape provides just sufficient skin-effect resistance to assure a pretty even current distribution and appears to work rather well, and therefore takes the effects of transformer core material out of the equation as the field emanates from the copper-covered shell.

FWIW, below are early pics of the current model and the (then-incomplete) bespoke driver that I designed and built for my tests and investigations, and all fits into a 4U flight case   :)


All the best,

FunkyJive.



Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Mannix on November 02, 2008, 07:11:13 AM
More detail would be greatly apreciated ..your results could be very useful to some peole here
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: FunkyJive on November 02, 2008, 12:30:26 PM
Thanks Mannix.

My primary focus remains on electromagnetic levitation/propulsion, though the results that I observed could well be an interesting by-product in response to the generation of high-intensity EM vortices. The jury's still out on my observations, and the back-EMF was simply the diode-summed output from two coils and perhaps not the best means to collect "Ether energy" (presuming this is possible) from a vortex.

Earlier in this thread Tao posted a representation of Cliff Hazleton's free energy device, though this would be very easy for me to replicate with my control unit. If early tests prove positive then... say... 80-100KV developed from driving two ignition coils at somewhere between 250Hz and 1kHz, and feeding the aluminium plates differentially, could get rather interesting   ;D ;)

My drive unit has all that I need to easily replicate this and, although I don't have race-specified ignition coils to-hand, I do have good conventional ones that should easily develop 30-40kV when driven hard and fast by capacitive discharge. I'll give this a shot and will post back with the results either way, though will probably be next week now before I've had the chance to construct the model and fire it up.


All the best,

FunkyJive
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: FunkyJive on November 02, 2008, 07:34:41 PM
Please excuse my double-post, though what I have to say could have direct relevance to any device endeavouring to yield energy from the ether...

Hazelton's model that I mentioned above, and featured on the first page of this thread, claims significant rectifed DC power into a purely resistive  load, whereas trying to add capacitance to the output of the rectifier reportedly resulted in no  output.

Assuming these claims to be true and complete, this would suggest the need for impedance transformation to develop maximum power into a load whilst sustaining a certain "Q" factor, if the energy source and coupled load were characterised by source and load impedance respectively. You are trying to create a vortex from which power can then be extracted, though like any resonant tank circuit you have to match the source impedance to the load to both optimise power transfer and avoid over-damping the resonant part (or "vortex" in this case).

In the case of Hazelton's model, if the stated resistor were instead taken to a series-connected capacitor (of any  size), then it is perfectly reasonable to expect that a sustained pulse charge into the capacitor would   then result whilst the peak DC from the rectifier were greater than the charge on the capacitor. However, as the capacitor were charging, there would be a voltage drop (and hence wasted power in the form of heat dissipation) created by the resistor.

This would therefore suggest the application of a transformer offering multiple tappings to allow for optimising power delivery to a given load, and I have no doubt that this would apply to Sphreric's model as-well. In this case it is the collection toroid that could be tapped at certain intervals to allow for optimal load-matching and sustained power delivery.


All the best,

FunkyJive
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on November 03, 2008, 12:36:23 AM
Nice work, FunkyJive.

I, too, am interested in the Hazelton device.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: BEP on November 05, 2008, 12:31:54 PM
@FunkyJive

The first post sounded pretty plausible as the means for creating a solid vortex with the coil orientations, though what concerned me just a little was the mention of driving voltage (not current) as the means for energising the coils. Nevertheless, the field density that is created about an inductor is generally a function of the inductance (determines the rise time to full current), and the coil resistance (determines maximum possible current for a given drive voltage). It just seemed a little "odd" that drive voltage should specifically be mentioned, with no mention of the inductance or coil resistance, in relation to a given driving frequency.

A voice of reason and understanding of this topic? Most don't understand calculations use 'Ampere Turns Ratio' for a reason.

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I have personally taken a somewhat different route, using impedance transformation to induce extremely high orthogonal circulatory currents about a conductiive "shell".

Now you have the third vector for creation of true rotation ;)

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I am seeing a small but significant 2-3 Amperes of resonant energy by way of a pulse train at about 6MHz. The amplitude is of-course phase-dependent and the driver that I designed doesn't allow me to tweak phase angles nearly far enough to see a considerable "exponential" rise by approaching a "tuned" phase-shift. Suffice to say I'll be doing a few mods and further experimentation in this field. I should also add at this point that the "resonant" energy that I'm seeing returned from the model has the following characteristics (which make my early observations somewhat interesting)...

The resonant frequency of the returned current does not change, and remains entirely independent of driving phase angles, pulse width (from 5us to 60us), drive frequency (1Hz to 10kHz) or applied driving voltage to the coils.

Yes. The result frequency should be dependent upon the dimensions of the device, not so much on the injected signal or the null time of that injected signal.

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The copper tape provides just sufficient skin-effect resistance to assure a pretty even current distribution and appears to work rather well, and therefore takes the effects of transformer core material out of the equation as the field emanates from the copper-covered shell.

 ;D

I'm interested in your results after you are able to vary the phase relationships.

Excellent work! Please keep it up.

BEP

BTW:

To pick up that rotation... May I suggest a flat spiral turn coil with handedness opposite your dielectric rotation just outside and on the same plane. Use very few turns. Best suggestions is same mass as that outer foil wrap.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on November 05, 2008, 01:59:30 PM
   @Bep

       I believe that the capacitance of the coil mass is often overlooked.  Tesla sure as heck didn't overlook it.  The transient current of a coil is way over the steady state current of the same coil.   Thus the ampere turns ratio on energizing the coil must be calculated when determining flux density changes.  This transient current is not utilized in electric motors but is a scource of inefficiency resulting in eddy currents and heat losses.  Still electric motors can achieve high efficiency.  Utilization of the transient currents should be able to push the electric motor into overunity. 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: FunkyJive on November 06, 2008, 02:35:16 AM
Thank you BEP and Sparks.

Having worked with light RF electronics for so long, I've really got to start bringing "Ampere Turns" into my postulations.

Professionally dealing with boring short-range communications technologies on a daily basis, where +10dBm is a "lot" of power (LOL), this terminology doesn't even get a look in. However (please excuse me should I appear sexist in any way), bring on the "Man's" electronics and it's a somewhat new ball-game  ;D

To be honest, the subject of aether energy is a considerable diversion as no-doubt for most and, before I have sufficiently educated myself in the art, I'd freely admit that my new projects possess a kind of suck-it-and-see  "rough science". However, early results look intriguing, and I'll be sure to keep you posted should I realise significant improvements and discoveries.

Loving this for sure  ;D ;D ;D


All the best,

FunkyJive
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: cosmoLV on November 11, 2008, 11:13:15 PM
Hi, I'm from Latvia and new here, but also searching for alternative energy, lot of thinking and visualisations i have... But now back to thread!
I'm gonna share my experience, i don't know if somebody write about this, but there it is:
1. Earth's magnetic field is called the proton gyromagnetic ratio, and is equal to 0.042576 hertz per nanotesla (Hz/nT)
2. The strength of the Earth's magnetic field varies with time and location, so that the frequency of Earth's field NMR (EFNMR) for protons varies between approximately 1.5 kHz near the equator to 2.5 kHz near the geomagnetic poles

Earth has rotation speed + Sun + interact with magnetic poles = magnetic field distortion/movement you can see this very great if you have third eye or even if somebody has out of body experience, universe is amazing and energy too - combine this together.

you newer make Solid State Generator without these factors, maybe in some case of luck can help - visualise your device as finished (for start point) :)

Thanks and I'm happy to be here :)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on November 12, 2008, 03:33:06 PM
    Thankyou for your post cosmoLV.   Would you say then that a given coordinate on the surface of the Earth would then experience a change in the magnetic density at a rate of 1.2 to 2khz.  And how would we be able to observe or make a system relavent to this change in the magnetic field.  Perhaps the combination of two metals that respond to the changing magnetic density in different manners?
Thanks again.





Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: cosmoLV on November 12, 2008, 04:23:19 PM
(http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/antennas/ferrite_rod_antenna/ferrite_rod_antenna_operation.gif)
instead of rod you need torus (that is main thing in that device)

any way, sample about thinking...
if we think about anti gravity - we must know, there are no anti gravity, but way to push away gravity field from something, from example some device or thing.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: cosmoLV on November 12, 2008, 09:26:22 PM
Sorry about double post.
But, the main thing in Static generator is Ferrite (this is the main thing in ordinary radio (antenna))
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Mk1 on November 19, 2008, 12:26:36 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-packing

http://cst-www.nrl.navy.mil/lattice/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXO7-Lajxdg

http://www.everyscience.com/Chemistry/Inorganic/Ionic_Solids/a.1296.php


There are those amongst you that have shown courage and conviction; something that is sorely lacking in so many of the young minds of today. Can I say that you will all believe what I have to say ? Certainly not. It is a reflection of society today that so many do not question yet reject anything outside of their comfort zone. This forum is the antithesis of such dower formulaic habits. Unfortunately so many have come to associate a questioning mind as being synonimous with a disbelieving mind when in reality a questioning mind needs to be an open mind; a mind that allows the absurd, the idiotic and beyond credulous ideas to perculate into the subconscious. It is only when the full bounds of the ideas have been allowed full roam of all aspects of the mind that the varacity of the claim can be fully comprehended. All I ask is that you ponder the essence of my presentation in light of the known characteristics of the Steven Mark TPU.

I am sure many of you have already perused the given web references and have already started to believe that this posting is misplaced! Oh ye of little faith. Matter is nothing more than spherical stationary standing waves within the travelling ether! Already I hear the shutters closing. It is the ether that has the energy not the matter; it is the ether that is manipulated via torsion fields set up via electromagnetic fields; it is the ether that vortexes and is the essence of the electromagnetic field; it is the collapsing ether vortex that releases energy. The ether its self pulsates at extra-ordinary high frequency. It is this pulsing that feed energy into the spherical standing waves, that is matter, that brings about all of the characteristics of an atom.

To resonate with the ether a specific pattern is required. The spherical propogation of waves means that spherical packing dictates the precise location of electromagnet coils for optimum control. Review the files at the start of this posting. Hexagonal spherical packing (HSP) is where you need to focus. Many of you are unwittingly using face centered cubic ( FCC ) arrangement of coils. You will have limited success if your coils are placed according to FCC arrangements.

There is good reason for hexagonal packing as these scientists are beginning to comprehend.
Google the following terms to understand:  iron superconductivity hexagonal packing

All coils need to point to a central 3D location. If you look at the hexagonal packing the most basic arrangement is 4 spheres forming a tetrahedral. Place identical coils orientated so that the poles point to the dead center of the tetrahedral. You should imagine 3 spheres with one sphere on top. The top coil (coil A) will be pointing downwards and the other 3 coils (X,Y,Z) will be pointing to wards the center BUT note the three coils will not be in a horizontal plane; they will be pointing 30 degrees upwards. Now those of you on the ball will no doubt see why Bob Boyce, Marinov, GiantKiller et al. have had extraordinary results. In these designs the coils are pointing horizontal and not angled upwards, and the top vertical coil is created by wrapping around all of the three coils. As the vertical coil is not identical to the other 3 this creates problems which is why DC they feed into this coil; and the other coils need to be fed with high energy pulses. It is not optimum and neither are their results. If you set up according to hexagonal packing all coils are equidistant from each other and pointing towards a common center. You need only supply correctly phased DC offset square waves of approximately 300V (levels of 0V and 300V not -150V to 150V) to succeed in creating a rotation magnetic field which in reality is vortexing ether. Surely I don't need to tell you how to intercept a high speed rotating magnetic field to create current of high potential!

Now I'm telling you the practical theory on how to use the ether. Steven Mark never did understand exactly why things worked. His coils are not optimum but never-the-less indirectly generate what my four coils will achieve.

Coils XYZ are pulsed at frequency F1 with a phase of 120 degrees between each coil.
Coil A is fed a frequency of 3 x F1 and has a phase of 0 with respect to the other coils.

In other words:
When air-core coil X pulses so does air-core coil A.
When air-core coil Y pulses so does air-core coil A.
When air-core coil Z pulses so does air-core  coil A.

The frequency should be a harmonic of the NMR of iron. Do not use iron anywhere in your device this will only cause huge eddy current problems. Iron is magnetic because of the geometry and spacing of its atoms (stationary waves remember) which interact with the ether flow in a resonant fashion despite what you may already believe! The NMR is directly linked to this geometric spacing and hence to the resonant frequency of the ether. If you pulse iron wire at iron's NMR you'll get a minor resonance effect even if the coil is not tuned to that frequency. Steven Mark was utilising this effect along with the timing delay action of iron wire to generate a rotating magnetic field of the correct frequency. The requirement for coil A to pulse in time with the other coils was not understood by SM who unwittingly incorporated its effect via interaction of several coils. A testament of observation over emperical understanding!

To complete the picture the intercept coil can be an air-core toroidal coil placed in a horizontal plane halfway between the top coil and the bottom three coils sized so that the outside of the toroid would touch, but not overlap, the imaginary planes of the tetrahedral pyramid sides. The diameter of the toroid hole should be the same as the diameter of the toroid windings for optimum results but quite frankly you could stick two solid 1 cm diameter 3/4 circle copper bars into the field and measure substantial voltage and current.

I trust you'll appreciate the risk you are now all taking. Too many of you are tempting fate by feeding the output back into the input. Consider 1000 fold output power over input. Oh yes, these are the levels you are potentially working with. 100Watt goes to 100KW. With no feedback this is a major copper vaporising experience. With feedback your momentary 100KW goes to a potential 100MW but more realistically 1MW or less as wires vaporise. How on earth do you think you and your house will survive such an event ?????????????????

I've shown enough for you to now understand with what you are playing and a schematic outline of a relatively safe design that will get you the results that you desire.

I've taken the liberty of posting whilst on vacation. Good luck.
   


  Let me have a crack at explaining the high voltage reaction, i saw it from a french patent that explained it .
He called it energy from the vacuum.This is due to the copper so as electricity start pushing electron in the wire , electron move but once the electric current stops the electron moved will kickback to its previous position creating high negative sparks, to test this all need is a 9 volt battery and a large enough coil and a multimeter , i even managed to light a 120vdc neon bulb on the first try .Good coil are usually anything more than 400 turns, from hair clipper or microwave motor that principal can be recreated by any means of switching on and of power since there is such a kickback that i am not sure if very little to nothing is taken from the battery, starting the tpu with 2 magnets
most likely done with hall sensors and 2 reverse poles magnet.Hope this helps .
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: cosmoLV on November 19, 2008, 11:10:56 PM
(http://www.cheniere.org/books/efv/e98b5a.gif)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: braden on November 19, 2008, 11:44:40 PM
Guys take a look at patent 119825
and the British patent GB 2390941
if this( Cooks patent) concept were turned in to a complete a toroid, what in your opinion would be the outcome.According to Harold Aspden we have Aether at work in Cooks device ,plus a lot of what you guys are trying to achieve with the TPU
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Antimon on November 20, 2008, 12:14:45 AM
Have you tried that? :)

A.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on December 13, 2008, 10:49:18 PM
Guys an update, i am still building and testing, i have a fully moved to modules
heres my current setup
The Modules are as follows

1 x Signal Generator using the LTC1799 chip curently running at 50kHz to 13Mhz
4 x Fet Modules each fet Module has it's own internal psu regulation and driver and output stage.
1 x Controller module
Which consists of a Logic ring counter based on Poynt's circuit, runs really stable zero zitter at 13Mhz
4 x Monostable boards previously using 74Hc221 mono chips but just moved to digital see Next Post.

All board are now double sided and this has greatly reduced noise and jitter.

The idea of the modules is to be able to change each bit of the circuit by redesign without a complete rebuild, for instance the ring counter logic board can be replaced using 74G series chips to run upto 1Ghz if needed not that i need to as it should run at upto 20Mhz with no problems at the moment.

The monostable modules are now redundant as i have new digital monostable boards see next post
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on December 13, 2008, 10:55:48 PM
Ok onto the new digital Monostable boards, i use the DS1023 series chips.

The delay chips are set using Dip switches, i am using 1nS res chips, so i can set the phase delay between 1nS and 255nS, this delayed pulse then feeds a second DS chip configured for pulse, which in itself is adjustable between 1nS and 255nS, the Digital Mono board is good upto 20Mhz.

The first picture is the circuit, followed by a scope shot of a pulse 255nS in width that is delayed by 255nS in phase from the driving clock pulse which comes from the ring counter.

I am using active low drive fet drivers with schmit triggered inputs and am able to pulse down to 25nS using my current setup.

Forget about the noise on the input waveform it's because my scope gnd wasnt near the chip output so it's not really there.

Also the chips come in different speeds with resolutions of upto 250pS




Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: poynt99 on December 13, 2008, 11:37:40 PM
Nice job on the builds Peter. Looks like good performance too.

Along with those two big electrolytic caps there, are they paralleled with at least one 0.01u ceramic or mica capacitor?

.99
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Peterae on December 13, 2008, 11:45:38 PM
Hi Poynt
Yer theres decoupling all over the place but all using sm caps on the reverse side of the pcbs.
Ive mainly used 0.1uf but am starting to add extra 0.01uf , all the larger caps are low esr and also use 1uf low esr sm caps for the psu;s as well in all there are 6 seperate psu's in all the modules.
The noisey gnd on the scope shot was because i only used 1 scope probe gnd connected to a sma screw on the case, i relaized afterwards and checked across the chip outputs and the noise wasnt there, the output pulse is relatively clean anyway and because my fet drivers only switch at the mid logic level transistion they are fairly noise resistant.

I am very happy with the new digital mono config, it would have been even better if i didnt need to use the schmit inveter logic to negate the delayed pulse output which drives my fet driver.
Lots more tests to do yet.

Cheers for the heads up

Peter
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: NewAge on December 20, 2008, 03:48:51 PM
Above goes to diagram.

Yes, this is what I described. Thanks for the diagram.

This diagram shows you what is needed to get a kick, and view a kick on an oscilloscope.

No iron as a core. Wind on a stiff poly pipe. Use copper wire for the windings.
Keep the delay coil 2+ feet away from the bifilar coil.
Keep the bifilar as far away as possible from your oscilloscope and permanent magnets.
Pulse with a square wave.
Tune as per previous post.
I am sorry - what permanent magnets and delay coils is he talking of?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Antimon on December 20, 2008, 06:06:48 PM
Wow, someone is interested in this experiment :)

You don't need permanent magnets. A delay coil is a poor way to create a delay. Nowadays you should use a microcontroller for precise timing. The tuning with a delay coil is horrible.

A.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: NewAge on December 20, 2008, 07:42:14 PM
Wow, someone is interested in this experiment :)

You don't need permanent magnets. A delay coil is a poor way to create a delay. Nowadays you should use a microcontroller for precise timing. The tuning with a delay coil is horrible.

A.
Great! We shall move on without magnets.

OK, from what I understand so far the key to succesfull working device is a precise calculation of the size of control coils/number of turns/section, distance from the corners so that they overlap and create the required magnetic void as shown on the Tao's emulation. Any idea how this could be done?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: innovation_station on December 21, 2008, 09:33:09 PM
lol well now that is funny  8)

i could have added this peice to the puzzel but i did not

sure i know where it fits and i know what it means ....  ;D

but we aint there YET!!   ya know  ;D

great job tho  ;)

ist

parallel hummmmmm
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: duff on January 02, 2009, 07:58:39 AM


Above goes to diagram.

Yes, this is what I described. Thanks for the diagram.

This diagram shows you what is needed to get a kick, and view a kick on an oscilloscope.

No iron as a core. Wind on a stiff poly pipe. Use copper wire for the windings.
Keep the delay coil 2+ feet away from the bifilar coil.
Keep the bifilar as far away as possible from your oscilloscope and permanent magnets.
Pulse with a square wave.
Tune as per previous post.

I am sorry - what permanent magnets and delay coils is he talking of?

With reference to the above Spherics post, it appears the original post has lost it's reference to the quoted images from EMdevices. You can click on the link that is still referenced there to view it.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4297.msg85123#msg85123 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4297.msg85123#msg85123)

This creates confusion because of the EMdevice post/image directly above it.

-Duff
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Fritz1 on January 02, 2009, 07:36:25 PM

Has anyone watched the TPU with a heat camera to see how the heat propagates through the device? Does anyone know where the heat buildup starts? I haven't built a TPU yet and I don't have a thermal camera. Just a question.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: BEP on January 02, 2009, 11:54:56 PM
Has anyone watched the TPU with a heat camera to see how the heat propagates through the device? Does anyone know where the heat buildup starts? I haven't built a TPU yet and I don't have a thermal camera. Just a question.

 :)
I have a IR camera but no TPU that works so I can't help.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Fritz1 on January 04, 2009, 06:01:27 PM
Thanks BEP.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on January 19, 2009, 07:56:27 AM
I just want you to see this maybe it can help.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/95105/The-Hendershot-Motor-Mystery



otits
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on January 19, 2009, 08:12:34 AM
this one also

http://www.loris-hemlof.com/thetpu.pdf


otits
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on January 19, 2009, 05:12:17 PM
  Thankyou  Tito

 
        There has been proven by main stream physicists that there exists a magnetic relativity between the core of a torroidal solenoid and the ambient magnetic field.  It has also been proven that there exists an electric relativity between the space inside a charged sphere and the ambient electric field.
   These could be said to be monopoles.  The electric and magnetic field gradients normally a product of charged moving mass are now overpowered by the gradient between the monopoles and other scources of polarized space.
The effect on for example the 27volt electric field gradient between an electron and a proton in a 1s orbital would be overidden by the stronger electric field gradient established by the monopole.  Another effect would be the alignment of the magnetic moments of both the electrons and neucleui to the newly formed magnetic field gradient.   This alignment of mass to the newly formed electromagnetic field gradient would create a lattice of mass which would appear to the field as cold or without randomized inertial effects.  Changing the field into a superconductor.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 04, 2009, 08:56:38 PM
The Quest for the TPU is still at hand.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 04, 2009, 10:46:42 PM
        There has been proven by main stream physicists that there exists a magnetic relativity between the core of a torroidal solenoid and the ambient magnetic field.  It has also been proven that there exists an electric relativity between the space inside a charged sphere and the ambient electric field.
   These could be said to be monopoles.  The electric and magnetic field gradients normally a product of charged moving mass are now overpowered by the gradient between the monopoles and other scources of polarized space.


@sparks
Do you have any references please?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on March 04, 2009, 11:31:11 PM
Sounds like T.H. Moray.
http://www.tesla.hu/moray/moray.htm
The Sea of Energy in which the Earth floats link.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on March 04, 2009, 11:47:21 PM
Summer is coming and it is time to put the paddles across the chest of this thread...

More power, Igor!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Goat on March 05, 2009, 06:15:51 AM
Hi all

I just had a thought and before I get hit by the bus of life I want to share it with you all, it's probably the kind of TPU normal people shouldn't attempt but here goes.

I posted this in the Joule Thief thread awhile back but just had a thought on how to make it work, well possibly:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg160207#msg160207

Instead of using a dynamo to drive the circuit what if we used a 12 DC/120 VAC with the ground as common and hot and neutral to drive Line1 and Line2 of Tesla's toroid converter?  Not sure what kind of spark gaps would be necessary to make it work but as far as the drive circuit I think a small DC/AC converter would be enough to test the theory.

Let me know what you think.

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Mannix on March 05, 2009, 07:23:04 AM
Exceptionaly excellent links GK!

Title: Stubblefield & Meucci
Post by: giantkiller on March 08, 2009, 04:54:57 AM
http://www.icehouse.net/john34/stubblefield.html

http://www.icehouse.net/john34/mucci.html
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: EMuntinga on April 18, 2009, 08:49:35 AM
hello all

i have been reading for a while now and did some rechearch and i stumbled on this
what if the device is equipted with Helmholtz Coils.

!!!!!This type of coil is used to generate a uniform magnetic field. Two coils are held parallel to each other at a distance less than their diameter . The field between the coils should be quite uniform, providing the strength of the overall field is high enough.

Helmholtz coils are commonly used for scientific tests which require controlled field conditions.

look at the helmholtz picture i have attached.

XYZ Coils
These are simply solenoids, or Helmholtz coils arranged to point in all three dimensions. They are also used for scientific tests or experiments involving controlled field conditions. Some theoretical teleportation experiments mention the use of XYZ coils for creating some kind of 'fourth dimensional' field When this field is coupled to an object and then driven at some fundamental resonant frequency, the object could be made to move in the fourth dimension. An observer would see the object disappear and then re appear in a different location.
Also picture attached.

next:
Penning Trap - Plasma Containment
A Penning trap is a set of electromagnets or coils that will create a controlled non-uniform magnetic field. The diagram on the left shows how the magnetic field is slightly less intense in the centre of the trap. This 'bubble' in the field lines is where a non neutral plasma can be contained. A non neutral plasma is simply a plasma that has an overall positive or negative charge, such as a collection of electrons. A charged 'particle' such as an electron would require an accelerating force to move it across the magnetic field lines. Without this external force the electrons in a penning trap will tend to spiral back and forth within the area of weakest field. The converging field lines at each end act like a 'magnetic mirror' allowing the plasma to remain contained .

picture plasmacontain.

Please prevent explosion of the planet.
please use a frequency generator because one of these coils amplifies the energy with a factor 250000 Volt, can let our planet explode when handled improperly and when used in combination with 220 or 110 Volt would cause a black out.

be carefull when experimenting

ernst
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on April 18, 2009, 04:50:56 PM
This is the final answer. The possiblities far exceed the device when altering spacetime. Now mix Helmholtz with Keely.

--giantkiller. If you're not living the dream, then you're running from the nightmare. 8)

hello all

i have been reading for a while now and did some rechearch and i stumbled on this
what if the device is equipted with Helmholtz Coils.

!!!!!This type of coil is used to generate a uniform magnetic field. Two coils are held parallel to each other at a distance less than their diameter . The field between the coils should be quite uniform, providing the strength of the overall field is high enough.

Helmholtz coils are commonly used for scientific tests which require controlled field conditions.

look at the helmholtz picture i have attached.

XYZ Coils
These are simply solenoids, or Helmholtz coils arranged to point in all three dimensions. They are also used for scientific tests or experiments involving controlled field conditions. Some theoretical teleportation experiments mention the use of XYZ coils for creating some kind of 'fourth dimensional' field When this field is coupled to an object and then driven at some fundamental resonant frequency, the object could be made to move in the fourth dimension. An observer would see the object disappear and then re appear in a different location.
Also picture attached.

next:
Penning Trap - Plasma Containment
A Penning trap is a set of electromagnets or coils that will create a controlled non-uniform magnetic field. The diagram on the left shows how the magnetic field is slightly less intense in the centre of the trap. This 'bubble' in the field lines is where a non neutral plasma can be contained. A non neutral plasma is simply a plasma that has an overall positive or negative charge, such as a collection of electrons. A charged 'particle' such as an electron would require an accelerating force to move it across the magnetic field lines. Without this external force the electrons in a penning trap will tend to spiral back and forth within the area of weakest field. The converging field lines at each end act like a 'magnetic mirror' allowing the plasma to remain contained .

picture plasmacontain.

Please prevent explosion of the planet.
please use a frequency generator because one of these coils amplifies the energy with a factor 250000 Volt, can let our planet explode when handled improperly and when used in combination with 220 or 110 Volt would cause a black out.

be carefull when experimenting

ernst
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on September 30, 2009, 06:31:02 PM

It appears I have been too brief in my presentation. I truly believed that there would be a group here who would be able to make the leap between the Steven Mark devices you are familiar with and the design that I showed.

Firstly although this has been mooted I am not Jack. All I will say is the interview says more about the character of Jack than it does Steven Mark. I will also add that the SM device uses rotation. I say this without doubt and Jack is wrong in saying rotation is not necessary.

I will now talk about the Steven Mark designs you have seen in the videos and the like so you will understand why my design at the start of this message works.

The SM designs all work on the same set of principles. A pulse into a coil generates an expanding magnetic field. The magnetic field comes into being by an underlying patterning of the ether. It is a cascade action on the part of the ether that causes the EFFECT of an expanding magnetic field. If you then cause a second magnetic field to expand through the same space as the already expanding magnetic field, a specific cascading action, apattern is setup in the ether which is the EQUIVALENT of a magnetic field and has many of the characteristics of a magnetic field. By this I mean it will interact with metals, and cause the EFFECT of a current, IF the field is moving across the metal.  I will refer to this field as a COMP field from now on. But please be clear this COMP field is in addition to the expected magnetic field. This COMP field, a patterning in the ether, is dampened and effectively nulled by magnetic metals. This is why if you are using an iron core in the coils named control coils you will never get a working TPU.

No doubt this may be disconcerting to many who have fond references to baling wire, iron wire and the like. I will now digress onto the circumstance surrounding the initial eureka moment as I understand them. Audiophiles who frequent this watering-hole will no doubt have heard of QUAD ESL electrostatic speakers. An essential design element is the incoming signal is sent into, I believe, 7 or 8 progressive delay elements. These elements delay the signal by microseconds each time.

As part of experiments, associated with what would become his 3D spacial control patents, he was using these delay elements with custom made bifilar wound voice coils (i.e. air coils) and unexpectedly detected an anomolous signal on his spectrum analyser.

Steven Mark created his own delay elements using iron wire after several years of intermittent experimentation. The technique was to carefully wrap a bifilar air-coil using copper wire. The longer the length of copper the better but using identical lengths. The two coils were connected to the SAME pulse waveforms in parallel so that the magnetic field is additive NOT cancelling. The delay element was added in series to only one of the coils that made up the bifilar coil. The delay coil was made from insulated iron wire wound into an air coil. An oscilloscope was connected to both COPPER coils. The setup would be pulsed with a dc offset square wave (i.e. 0 to 20V not -10 to 10V) at the resonant frequency of the bifilar coils. The tuning consisted of cutting the iron wire down in length until an unexpected pulse/signal appeared. This pulse is the kick. I will refer to these tuned bifilar coils as kick coils.

You are privy to the information that the COMP field is nulled by iron. Those who so wish may like to take some time to fully comprehend the frustrations of closely packing the delay and bifilar coils together only to find the unexpected pulse was no longer appearing!!!  This is what SM had to contend. And Jack says SM was not technical. Bunkum!!

From traditional electrical engineering view point the kick coils for a particular quantity of energy now put out the expected magnetic field but also put out the COMP field which has effects like a magnetic field. In a world that excludes the ether, these coils are overunity. If the world took into account the ether, then the coils would not be thought of as overunity.

The magnetic field is now larger than expected. All that needs to be done is to rotate this field in a circle and intercept the field with an output coil. The captured energy is greater than the input energy because of the energy apparently created by the COMP field. If you arrange all N poles of the kicker coils so that they point towards the center and pulse each coil in turn you will get a rotating magnetic field. There are many ways to create a rotating magnetic field. A secondary effect of a rotating field is the entrainment of the COMP field so that the pattern in the ether is partially additive. A big problem was the iron in the delay coils. It was found that a large solenoid fed with a DC current to produce a static magnetic field around all of the kicker coils allowed the kicker coils to be tuned with the iron delay coils in close proximity.

Intercepting only N poles of the kicker coils means you get a DC output along with a smaller induced ripple from pulsing the kicker coils.

Feedback of the output into the input was achieved using toroidal saturable inductor switches. I've copied the picture from other messages of the inductor switches. Refer to the patent for an example to see how these switches are used. Early designs used a small magnet to bias the saturable inductors.

All SM devices had small batteries to power the LC oscillators. The LC oscillators were used as control pulse currents to the saturable inductors. To start the process high voltage capacitors were step charged, this is why the coils took time to start-up! The first few pulses came from these pre-charged capacitors being switched via saturable inductors. Part of the DC output was feedback to keep the capacitors fully charged.

My design shown at the very start of this message thread eliminated the need for an iron delay coil because the pattern is set up in the ether outside of the influence of copper metal of the control coils. It directly allows the COMP field to be generated IN FREE SPACE. By placing the output toroidal coil within this free space the COMP field is intercepted. The complete lack of any magnetic materials within this design is what allows this to happen.

I do believe there are elements of information here that you will not have been aware of before. I trust this is enough to convince at least some of you to reflect and ponder more seriously on this material.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19820016542_1982016542.pdf

I believe the COMP Field is a "companion field":

http://www.bibhasde.com/veipaper.pdf

http://www.bibhasde.com/compwavepaper.pdf

I'll leave interpretations and conclusions to the reader.

EDIT:
This effect was mentioned on ZPEnergy back in 2004 as a possible explanation for Sweet's VTA, and is mentioned in several astrophysical texts.

I doubt that the author has heard of the TPU, or has put any possible power generation aspect into the public domain.

He does have a great deal of work performed after these papers on his web site, some of it confirms the threory outlined in these two papers.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: ronotte on October 01, 2009, 06:32:50 PM
@Grumpy,

your correlation of Spherics COMP field and the 1992 B R De (Dept Energy-California) may be really correct. The researcher anyway reported only a theoretical approach concluding that the 'Companion wave' could be used to carry additional BW for data. In reality they tested only heir assumptions by trying to measure a by broduct of this EM: a physical dipole antenna mechanical momentum. For example it remains unclear if said mechanical displacement really due to Companion wave action!

The analogy with Spherics text is incredible...but the so well described COMP field I have not seen.

In Spherics 3D device that I built and fully tested, the CCU coils are almost touching. This means that pulsing a CCU I found on the adjacent CCUs very big signals (copia of the pulsed one). Well, but no power at all on collector......so no COMP field generated ...and no interaction with copper. No way even to measure any mechanical displacement.

I do not know how to setup that comp field. An idea could be that to pulse in sequence a number of coils 'one almost over the previous' using HV ns pulse and according very high repetition rate. Of course the coil being of low inductance and arranged in a toroidal former.

ronotte
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on October 01, 2009, 10:10:53 PM
@Grumpy,

your correlation of Spherics COMP field and the 1992 B R De (Dept Energy-California) may be really correct. The researcher anyway reported only a theoretical approach concluding that the 'Companion wave' could be used to carry additional BW for data. In reality they tested only heir assumptions by trying to measure a by broduct of this EM: a physical dipole antenna mechanical momentum. For example it remains unclear if said mechanical displacement really due to Companion wave action!

The analogy with Spherics text is incredible...but the so well described COMP field I have not seen.

In Spherics 3D device that I built and fully tested, the CCU coils are almost touching. This means that pulsing a CCU I found on the adjacent CCUs very big signals (copia of the pulsed one). Well, but no power at all on collector......so no COMP field generated ...and no interaction with copper. No way even to measure any mechanical displacement.

I do not know how to setup that comp field. An idea could be that to pulse in sequence a number of coils 'one almost over the previous' using HV ns pulse and according very high repetition rate. Of course the coil being of low inductance and arranged in a toroidal former.

ronotte

Hello Roberto,

The author has performed addtional test and written additional papers regarding the companion field since this time (1992).  He states on his web site that the CFA (cross field antenna) verifies the existence of the companion field.

After reading a few of his articles, I noticed that what he described sounded more and more like William Hooper's "Motional Electric Field" and I believe they are the same thing.  If you comapre the two, you will see striking similarities and many identical properties.

How to see it?  I am not so good at it - yet.  Sometimes it scares you.  I started with spark gaps and they work, but are erratic.  Vacuum triggered gaps will probably work very well, as will avalanche stacks, and saturable reactors.  Triode and other valve tubes too, as you will not need a high rep rate.  If it is there, you will see it with one pulse.  This won't charge a cap or battery, but it will effect it.

Start with just one coil and use the highest voltage that you can work with and a fast rise at the switch.  How fast of a rise?  As fast as you can make it.  The fastest switch is worthless without the shockwave, so look at the path that the energy takes from the switch.  You want it be very fast and then BAM! it hits the coil.  You are working with a wave that moves along a wire - not electrons!  Why match the load?  How much energy just missed the coil?  This is no normal load!  This is a mass that is going to be hit with a hammer and ring like a bell.  You do not want to reflect the pulse back to the switch.  You want to release it into space as radiated waves of changing density.  The switch is open when the energy slams into the coil.  The traveling wave of your pulse has a big problem now.  It has a big polarization current the cannot go into the wire as the wire is open.  This current is not from electrons - it can not dissipate as heat.   It can not stay around the wire. What is it to do?

To not create the shockwave would be a violation of "conservation of energy".

Use a neon power supply - not a microwave oven transformer.

As far as I could uncover, Joseph Henry was the first to encounter it and document it when he discharged Leyden Jars into a coil to magnetize needle / nails and found that he had magnetized nails two floors below his lab.  So, a cap, coil, and switch will work.  Keep in mind that the event did not always occur for Henry.



Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: darkspeed on October 01, 2009, 10:49:45 PM
Hello Roberto,

The author has performed addtional test and written additional papers regarding the companion field since this time (1992).  He states on his web site that the CFA (cross field antenna) verifies the existence of the companion field.

After reading a few of his articles, I noticed that what he described sounded more and more like William Hooper's "Motional Electric Field" and I believe they are the same thing.  If you comapre the two, you will see striking similarities and many identical properties.

How to see it?  I am not so good at it - yet.  Sometimes it scares you.  I started with spark gaps and they work, but are erratic.  Vacuum triggered gaps will probably work very well, as will avalanche stacks, and saturable reactors.  Triode and other valve tubes too, as you will not need a high rep rate.  If it is there, you will see it with one pulse.  This won't charge a cap or battery, but it will effect it.

Start with just one coil and use the highest voltage that you can work with and a fast rise at the switch.  How fast of a rise?  As fast as you can make it.  The fastest switch is worthless without the shockwave, so look at the path that the energy takes from the switch.  You want it be very fast and then BAM! it hits the coil.  You are working with a wave that moves along a wire - not electrons!  Why match the load?  How much energy just missed the coil?  This is no normal load!  This is a mass that is going to be hit with a hammer and ring like a bell.  You do not want to reflect the pulse back to the switch.  You want to release it into space as radiated waves of changing density.  The switch is open when the energy slams into the coil.  The traveling wave of your pulse has a big problem now.  It has a big polarization current the cannot go into the wire as the wire is open.  This current is not from electrons - it can not dissipate as heat.   It can not stay around the wire. What is it to do?

To not create the shockwave would be a violation of "conservation of energy".

Use a neon power supply - not a microwave oven transformer.

As far as I could uncover, Joseph Henry was the first to encounter it and document it when he discharged Leyden Jars into a coil to magnetize needle / nails and found that he had magnetized nails two floors below his lab.  So, a cap, coil, and switch will work.  Keep in mind that the event did not always occur for Henry.

Good info Grumpy! Just wanted to add.. as far as I know ... once you get the pulse procedure down.. the pulses are additive.. so it may take a while for full achievable power to spool up
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: ronotte on October 02, 2009, 12:37:37 PM
Hi all,

about the 'Companion wave' there is a recent .doc from the researcher who now says:


BASIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMPANION WAVE THEORY:

QUESTION:  How has the scientific establishment accepted the idea of companion waves?

It is fair to say that the scientific establishment has very completely rejected the idea.

QUESTION:  Why should one test this theory when the scientific establishment has rejected the idea?

The idea was rejected first on this basis:

FIRST OBJECTION: The companion wave term derived by me (the second term in Eq. (8) of the JphysA paper) has no practical significance.  It is only a mathematical artifact.


You can find the full article at:  www.bibhasde.com/compwave.doc ...too good to be true ;D


Roberto




Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on October 02, 2009, 02:48:30 PM
They say the same of "displacement current".
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: wings on October 02, 2009, 03:17:30 PM
http://www.bibhasde.com/defense.html

"The idea of Companion Waves was published in physics journals. It has been studied by the US military, and dismissed as incorrect."

http://www.bibhasde.com/radiocomm.html

 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on October 02, 2009, 07:16:36 PM
The machine complex ("deus ex machina" ) told Keely and TTBrown that same thing. We know the potential and possibilities. Does anyone really think it is not being used in black projects? Think again.

Podkletnov proved the items on the defense page.

The companion wave: This wave does not follow from Maxwell’s Equations. This is new physics by any definition: TransMaxwellian physics. We have stepped out of physics as it is known today. 
Quote
Outside: My favorite place.

My heroes are intelligent men that met with ridicule. Oddly enough our reality at any given point in human history has been created by this club of Atlas'.


http://www.bibhasde.com/defense.html

"The idea of Companion Waves was published in physics journals. It has been studied by the US military, and dismissed as incorrect."

http://www.bibhasde.com/radiocomm.html
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: dankie on October 02, 2009, 08:35:58 PM
These 'companion waves' will not be implemented for use on planet earth . They are gonna use cold fusion , Hydrino from blacklight , and Xogen technology .

None of that eather stuff has been proven so far , its all a bunch of hearsay , none of it is goverment funded or backed thus far .



Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on October 02, 2009, 08:59:43 PM
'You are correct if you believe you are correct' Henry Ford.
Keep up the good work!
May I suggest reading Keely, T.T.Brown and Podkletnov to further your belief system and knowledge.
I am currently reading about Nobel Laureates Hannes Alfven and Enrico Fermi.

These 'companion waves' will not be implemented for use on planet earth . They are gonna use cold fusion , Hydrino from blacklight , and Xogen technology .

None of that eather stuff has been proven so far , its all a bunch of hearsay , none of it is goverment funded or backed thus far .
Absolutely! Why walk on water when you can 'Dogpaddle'?!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on October 02, 2009, 09:34:21 PM
I leave conclusion and opinions to the reader.  The doc that Roberto referenced was written in 2003.

Bibhas De calims that the E-H Antenna exhibits companion wave effects:
http://www.bibhasde.com/radiocomm.html#cfacomp
http://www.eh-antenna.com/

Email to Bibhas De from Lewey Gilstrap:

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[On March 2, 2007, I got an email from Lewey Gilstrap. Portions of that email are reproduced below with his permission. I found his idea interesting.

What this amounts to, in essence, is that electromagnetic energy can propagate over a continuum of conditions from E < cB through E = cB to E > cB. The first part of this spectrum is what I have described. The second part is what Gilstrap describes. That is to say, the conventional electromagnetic wave (with E = cB) – which today is seen as the be all and end all of electromagnetic propagation – is just one point in this spectrum.

The enormity of the combined idea can be seen by considering just one minor consequence of it: It will put paid to the anointed cosmological discoveries that are based on the assumption that electromagnetic waves are the only form of electromagnetic energy propagating in the universe. – BRD]

A few days ago, I ran across your website while doing a search for related items. I had not been aware of your work before, and I read with considerable interest the material on the Companion Wave. However, I was disappointed that you did not mention the electric wave twin of the magnetic Companion wave. The twin is just as interesting as the Companion. Both the Companion wave and its twin are longitudinal, both propagate through salt water without loss other than normal inverse square loss and neither is stopped by a Faraday cage; for the Companion wave, E < cB and for the twin, cB < E. Both the Companion and its twin can be detected as end fire (not transverse) from an ordinary dipole, but it takes special phasing or a special antenna to detect either one. I showed that both waves satisfy Maxwell's equations and that no modification of Maxwell's equations is needed.

The reason I know about these waves is that I got a patent on the electrostatic wave (actually, on the antenna, which was quite different from a normal dipole and it did not involve crossed fields). The patent was awarded in 1976 (Electrostatic Communications System; United States Patent 3964051). I knew about the Companion wave, but my antenna design for the magnetic wave would have required a lab for fabrication which was not available to me and I just dropped further work on it. Later, I got a contract to build two prototypes of the electric wave system for the Navy. The units were tested first in a swimming pool and later in the Chesapeake Bay. The units had a carrier frequency of 10 MHz, and, although the range of the units was not very great, we did show that there was no exponential attenuation of the signal (other than inverse square spreading) for around 10 wavelengths separation of the transmitter and receiver. Unfortunately, the naysayers in the Navy killed any further development, claiming that "it would not work." (Yes, they ignored my physical reasoning, my mathematical reasoning, and the experimental work with the prototypes.) My estimate as to potential range after several years of development was on the order of 1000 km, although that might have been optimistic. After seeing your material, I think that I could do a much better job of antenna design for either of the twins now than I did twenty years ago. I long since stopped working on the two waves, but have used some of the principles I developed for them for investigation of other non-standard waves, one of which is even more exotic than the twins.

Lewey Gilstrap

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: darkspeed on October 02, 2009, 09:42:13 PM
'You are correct if you believe you are correct' Henry Ford.
Keep up the good work!
May I suggest reading Keely, T.T.Brown and Podkletnov to further your belief system and knowledge.
I am currently reading about Nobel Laureates Hannes Alfven and Enrico Fermi.
Absolutely! Why walk on water when you can 'Dogpaddle'?!

Shure... They all think special waves are not real.. except for when they are actually using them  ;D Pesky explosive plasma!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAdj6vpYppA&NR=1
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: dankie on October 02, 2009, 09:45:00 PM
'You are correct if you believe you are correct' Henry Ford.
Keep up the good work!
May I suggest reading Keely, T.T.Brown and Podkletnov to further your belief system and knowledge.
I am currently reading about Nobel Laureates Hannes Alfven and Enrico Fermi.
Absolutely! Why walk on water when you can 'Dogpaddle'?!

O sure ... and you understand and are able to apply that hyperphysics to something that can save money and do something ?

Or you are just reading the Bios and skipping all the equations .

I study physics at school , basic physics for elecrical drive motors and the like , I study industrial electronics , automated system logics mostly , we dont need to study super-luminal physics , we need to understand forces and speeds , motors strenghts etc ..  . And some small electronics , I am a good student and I find my level of physics to be the most difficult course I have ever took .

Can you really understand that stuff ? You can claim to read them but can you understand and do something with that MIT level wave and superluminal physics ?

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: allcanadian on October 02, 2009, 09:50:29 PM
@Dankie
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None of that eather stuff has been proven so far , its all a bunch of hearsay , none of it is goverment funded or backed thus far .
lol, Of course and this hearsay was propagated by the likes of Tesla,Rutherford,Thompson,Faraday,Ampere,Gauss,Weber,Maxwell,Albert Einstein etc..... only the people who were mostly nobel prize winners and practically invented electrodynamics and quantum mechanics believed this Aether nonsense, where most average weak minded people obviously know better. Ask yourself this question--"What is electricity,magnetism and gravity fundamentally"?, not the effects of the latter but what they are. When you find the answer to this question maybe an Aether will not be so far fetched.
Regards
AC
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on October 02, 2009, 10:12:35 PM
As long as you are a cog on a gear of the status quo machine you'll be running kinda sluggish.
I didn't skip the equations and this is not a test. Why bash when you can bloom?
This is out of the box thinking compared to regular society. Get on board or put your head down and whimper like the rest. There is no future while looking back.
So come on? Just play along with the status quo, get a good grade, and walk away. Alot of us here had to. We can't turn back and never will.
Any PHD worth his weight has had to go against the crowd.
So I send you an invitation. I invite you to join the party and forget who is not invited.
Get over the lose.
If you want to hear 'Real stupidity' then go to Coral Castle and listen to the guides! I should have taken a gun, but not for me. It is the same old story as the destruction of Alexander library. Do you want to live in a constant deplorable condition as this? Then start burning scrolls because those that can't see the future are stopped dead in their tracks.
Like I have stated before many times. Your reality that you are grasping to hold is sand. It's over and it's changing. Welcome to the new reality. Can you handle this kind of commadaerie? Do you want to make the future or just sit there with the tv remote in your dumbed down hand?
Genius is not know what you know it is what you do.

O sure ... and you understand and are able to apply that hyperphysics to something that can save money and do something ?

Or you are just reading the Bios and skipping all the equations .

I study physics at school , basic physics for elecrical drive motors and the like , I study industrial electronics , automated system logics mostly , we dont need to study super-luminal physics , we need to understand forces and speeds , motors strenghts etc ..  . And some small electronics , I am a good student and I find my level of physics to be the most difficult course I have ever took .

Can you really understand that stuff ? You can claim to read them but can you understand and do something with that MIT level wave and superluminal physics ?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: BEP on October 02, 2009, 10:20:40 PM
Judging by some of the negative comments I would suggest reading the theory of the EH antenna, also known as CFA's.

Their use is becoming more common. Physical dimensions can be as low as 1% of a wavelength. Mounting height requirements are incredibly low. Have matched pairs at both ends of a communication link and your operating range is far beyond the best Yagi.

As far as the COMP fields... I'll reserve comments except to say even Maxwell didn't think in only 2 dimensions. Why are we?
 
The Navy did drop it but the Army picked it up. If you have any contacts (and I don't mean Google or Wikipedia) look for info on "Project Giant Reach".

Then there is the original work that used to be posted under 'Time-Domain.com" UWB tranceivers, no antenna, sized less than a dime, 40 meg throughput over 10 miles non-line of site. Was used to locate bodies and survivors in the big Mexican quake. Not perceptible by conventional radio equipment, etc. etc.

Maybe it isn't ether but it isn't in the civilian books either.

Believe what you wish. Just don't bash folks for thinking otherwise.

BEP
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: dankie on October 02, 2009, 10:48:05 PM
Yeah I have seen the palsness videos , I know about the EH antenna . I made posts about it @ my site .

But what about our cars , what about our eletronics @ home , what about home-heating ?

Its all a bunch of hearsay and seesay to me , I cant run my computer with that palsness circuit , I cant run my car with "ether" , and if I could , how would it take to transfer that "time-domain" potential to useable hot current that I can understand  , how long would it take , how much secret knowledge do I need ?

It has no relevance to my problems .

I will choose those solar cells over time domain potential

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: darkspeed on October 02, 2009, 11:26:35 PM
Can you really understand that stuff ? You can claim to read them but can you understand and do something with that MIT level wave and superluminal physics ?

Yes.

Thats why some people get into MIT.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: wings on October 02, 2009, 11:31:26 PM
http://www.antentop.boom.ru/004/files/tuwc004.pdf

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=I6wYAAAAEBAJ&dq=puthoff

http://www.antentop.boom.ru/004/files/eh004.pdf
http://www.antentop.boom.ru/files/eh002.pdf



Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on October 03, 2009, 01:39:01 AM
Based on the number of trolls around, we must be getting closer.

Lewey indicated that there is at least one other type of "exotic wave" besides the twin forms of "companion wave" .

Hmm.  Wonder what that wave does...

pulse - shockwave moving through static magnetic feild - comp field make the electrons move - yada yada

So, can one of us find a really easy way to create the "shockwave" - with all the associated effects...no proprietary or fancy stuff.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: dankie on October 03, 2009, 02:01:56 AM
Yeah , you are closer to an economic disaster than ever before .

Nobody here is close to anything , dont kid yourself .

You are all totally inoffensive , as close as you were 3 years ago .




Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Grumpy on October 03, 2009, 02:50:40 AM
Yeah , you are closer to an economic disaster than ever before .

Nobody here is close to anything , dont kid yourself .

You are all totally inoffensive , as close as you were 3 years ago .

You are not driving a car on 100% HHO so shut the fuck up, dipshit.

Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: BEP on October 03, 2009, 03:17:25 AM
You are not driving a car on 100% HHO so shut the fuck up, dipshit.

He isn't?

Maybe he is still burning his furniture every night then buying a new set each day just to heat his house? After all, that would be more efficient and economical than buying and using the solar cells, batteries, inverters, etc etc etc.

On a different note:

What would we have if we placed two EH sets perpendicular to one another then drove them 90 degrees out from each other?

I'm asking because I don't know.

With the same setup using common dipoles we would have a circular polarization of the transmitted signal.

Maybe these other wave types are just variations?

>>EDIT - Perhaps just adding rotation qualifies it as a different wave type?


BEP
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sparks on October 03, 2009, 04:06:23 AM
    As  we accelerate charge carriers it results in  transverse waves that are radiated perpendicular to the acceleration vector.  What alot of people don't get or forget is that a transverse wave is also radiated when we DEACCELERATE charged mass.  As solar wind meets geomagnetic field it is deaccelerated from millions of miles an hour to a dead stop.  This deacceleration of tons of charged mass every nanosecond of every day must be generating alot of em energy. This frequency band is going to be very very low but the field strength should be quite high.  I don't think it is possible to build a physical antennae which would catch a wavelength of this size but a rotating magnetic field loop antennae can be made to rotate at any desired frequency.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on October 03, 2009, 04:10:59 AM
Ride 'em, cowboy! Yee ha!

You are not driving a car on 100% HHO so shut the fuck up, dipshit.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sigma16 on September 16, 2010, 12:48:06 AM
Further information realted to the TPU can be foudn here.  It is posted under "Tesla" since he discovered the essential effect.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9749.msg257229#msg257229
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bulgar on October 04, 2010, 11:14:28 PM
Hello!
Working on tetrahedron about a year and a half.
Use the DDS generator based on AD9835.
Here we use the scheme to phase shift:
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9769/tpudrivingcircuit.gif (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9769/tpudrivingcircuit.gif)
Limiting the pulse duration with 74HC123, and now from the one shot with the MOSFET drivers, mosfets & RCD clamps and etc.

You can explore some of the pictures and diagrams that I've experimented with here:
http://mazeto.net/index.php?topic=739.0 (http://mazeto.net/index.php?topic=739.0)

I tried different designs, and concluded that he had to work with higher frequencies.
The one I can think of avalanche transistors are the variety of ZTX415.

Greetings, I accept any ideas and suggestions!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sigma16 on October 05, 2010, 04:06:05 PM
Hello!
Working on tetrahedron about a year and a half.
Use the DDS generator based on AD9835.
Here we use the scheme to phase shift:
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9769/tpudrivingcircuit.gif (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9769/tpudrivingcircuit.gif)
Limiting the pulse duration with 74HC123, and now from the one shot with the MOSFET drivers, mosfets & RCD clamps and etc.

You can explore some of the pictures and diagrams that I've experimented with here:
http://mazeto.net/index.php?topic=739.0 (http://mazeto.net/index.php?topic=739.0)

I tried different designs, and concluded that he had to work with higher frequencies.
The one I can think of avalanche transistors are the variety of ZTX415.

Greetings, I accept any ideas and suggestions!
Make a large solenoid coil that will fit around the entire tetrahedral device so that all four coil are within the magnetic field fo the solenoid

Power the solenoid with dc from a 7ah 12v battery or dc power supply of at least 12v.  High voltage is better.

This will lower the frequency required to achieve the rotation effect.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on October 05, 2010, 09:54:52 PM
I am progressing towards 4kv-50kv as a bias for the charge pump I am building.
The signal is reported to travel at 26xSOL in the field outside the wire. Podkletnov papers.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bulgar on October 05, 2010, 11:06:32 PM
Last I tried it and got the best results:
http://mazeto.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=739.0;attach=16162;image (http://mazeto.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=739.0;attach=16162;image)
The 4 coils are of such a configuration. Do not get anything abnormal except higher voltage in a collector ~ 50V and a few milliamperes current.
http://mazeto.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=739.0;attach=16154;image (http://mazeto.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=739.0;attach=16154;image)
90% of the trials conducted by the bifilar winding and iron yoke delay.

sigma16 @ This is not going to happen with a permanent magnet?
For model 15 cm in height what should be the proportion of approximately? Current in the coil what should be? Okay be limited by the resistor?
Maybe Ill try your idea first, would take time to build a high-frequency circuit. /ZTX415 ..../

These days, read mise dealing with something simple. I will experiment with a Tesla transformer. With bifilar primary/secondary and any lag ciruits. Would we get a magnetic vacuum?

giantkiller @ Thanks to review, would be interested!

Regards!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sigma16 on October 06, 2010, 12:07:39 AM
Don't mix Tesla transformer with single wire coils.   The tetrahedral device uses single-wire coils of very long wire length and high voltage positive pulses.  Remember that Spherics said if you double the amount of wire then you double the effect but the power applied remains the same.

The same magnetic field has to encompass all four coils.  You can use a large rheostat to adjust the current to the solenoid coil and connect to a battery.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bulgar on October 06, 2010, 10:41:24 AM
In the "Tesla" design I wanted to achieve high voltage winding of tetrahedron and it worked. I think the problem is that they are magnetically coupled.

Long coils? This is new to me. How much longer? How to solve the problem of skin effect? /current will terribly small => low power of pulses/ The use of bifilar windings and delay group thought that to obtain the magnetic vacuum.

To keep the low frequencies? with the current scheme can not work with more than 300-400kHz for the oneshot 74123 multivibrators and mosfets. The external solenoid will reduce the required frequency to so?

I would be grateful if I receive a response to these uncertainties. And I can began to work. ;)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sigma16 on October 06, 2010, 04:08:18 PM
In the "Tesla" design I wanted to achieve high voltage winding of tetrahedron and it worked. I think the problem is that they are magnetically coupled.

Long coils? This is new to me. How much longer? How to solve the problem of skin effect? /current will terribly small => low power of pulses/ The use of bifilar windings and delay group thought that to obtain the magnetic vacuum.

To keep the low frequencies? with the current scheme can not work with more than 300-400kHz for the oneshot 74123 multivibrators and mosfets. The external solenoid will reduce the required frequency to so?

I would be grateful if I receive a response to these uncertainties. And I can began to work. ;)

The "bifilar wire method", where both wores are pulsed and one is delayed is a method of pulse compression to achieve a higher voltage pulse that is shorter than the pulse you applied.   You can achieve the same results with higher voltage and a single wire coil. 

Placing a solenoid around all of the coils will lower the required repetition frequency to the low kHz range.

The coils are not magnetically coupled.  They generate a field of force similar to a charge and this is produced sequentially to impart movement to the field.  Like charge in motion, it is inductive.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Bulgar on October 07, 2010, 12:42:11 AM
Giantkiller colleague spoke for 4-50kV. This is a lot and I can not imagine it applied to the inductive load.
About 310V Are? With the multiplier can pick up to 600-900V power supply.
Does it matter the direction of rotation of the field produced by XYZ, because spherics no mention of this. / According to a torsion theory should have /
 How should foreign-oriented magnetic solenoid? / Such use and Stefan Marinov in Magvid, and perhaps for the same reason /.

Sigma16 @'ll be glad to know your ideas on what theory is based.

This technology will make the world a better place if people become humble.

Thanks guys! Hopefully one day  to we drink beer. :D

I plan to finish the stupid questions and gets to work.

С нами бог! /God is with us!/ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyFGNHOsH5Q)
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: giantkiller on October 07, 2010, 01:26:45 AM
The higher voltage gives higher near field density. Think of compressed medium. Within this the 2 interacting frequencies shock this medium pushing it along or tsunamis caused by earthquakes. Think of magnetic bullets. The medium contains the effort. Without it the energy just flies off into space in all directions breaking equipment and bruising bodies.
I am applying a thickness around the interaction. A listener to the sound. A transmitter for the transmission.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: e2matrix on October 07, 2010, 03:47:23 AM
Last night I was playing a large crystal healing bowl over a foot in diameter and probably 15" deep.  You slowly and evenly move a suede covered wand around the rim of the bowl.  What was interesting is that on the first rotation around the bowl and maintaining even pressure at all times the sound was not very loud.  As the second, third, fourth and fifth circles were completed the sound became louder and louder while still maintaining the same speed and pressure.  I thought of the TPU and how much similarity this process probably has to what is sought in the TPU.  We start sound by vibrating the wand along the rim of the bowl but some of that sound starts setting up a resonance in the bowl that keeps increasing in strength.  While I think most of what is happening is obvious I wonder if there are some insights we can glean from such a simple instrument to apply to the TPU.  Maybe or maybe not but it was an interesting experience for me to see how the same input energy kept producing more and more output sound over a period of time.  If that bowl had been a straight flat edge I'm sure the sound would not have increased over time.  Geometry is important in this as I suspect it also is important in the TPU.  The sound is initiated at the point where the wand meets the edge of the bowl.  If one goes too slow you will not get a vibration and if you are going too fast you won't get a smooth sound or consistent vibration.  You learn to sense a speed that feels like you are pushing the sound around in a way that will increase the overall loudness.  Once it's at full loudness it still takes very little effort to keep it going.  It all just sounds so familiar to what I read is needed in the TPU.  I think part of the challenge is to understand how to replicate electrically what is happening mechanically in a crystal bowl such as this. 
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: sigma16 on October 07, 2010, 04:21:07 PM
Giantkiller colleague spoke for 4-50kV. This is a lot and I can not imagine it applied to the inductive load.
About 310V Are? With the multiplier can pick up to 600-900V power supply.
Does it matter the direction of rotation of the field produced by XYZ, because spherics no mention of this. / According to a torsion theory should have /
 How should foreign-oriented magnetic solenoid? / Such use and Stefan Marinov in Magvid, and perhaps for the same reason /.

Sigma16 @'ll be glad to know your ideas on what theory is based.

This technology will make the world a better place if people become humble.

Thanks guys! Hopefully one day  to we drink beer. :D

I plan to finish the stupid questions and gets to work.

С нами бог! /God is with us!/ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyFGNHOsH5Q)

74123 is fast enough.  Motorola makes a few multivibrators that are much faster, but then MOSFETs are slow.

300v is enough, and 600v or 900v is better

ZTX avalanche transistor is nice but expensive.  With variable voltage power supply of 200v to 1000v and 10ma or greater current you can test most transistors for avalanche voltage and find ones that are cheaper than ZTX type.  I am using a series string of 2N5551 with good results.  Keep in mind that most circuit board materials will leak at higher voltages and leakage current will be too great to allow avalanche.

Solenoid IS oriented like solenoid in MAGVID of Marinov - probably for same reason

Counterclockwise for north hemisphere of earth without solenoid, but solenoid allows either direction depending on solenoid orientation.  Solenoid direction is north pole up and counterclockwise coil field rotation.

Apply torsion theory.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Super God on June 12, 2011, 08:20:17 AM
Hello,

I was looking over spherics posts, especially the parts about saturable inductors and I have a question:

Do the LC oscillators control the saturable inductors or do the saturable inductors switch the LC oscillators to their respective control coil?

Thank you fellow experimenters!
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Super God on June 13, 2011, 12:18:12 AM
The only problem is the rise and fall times I would assume would be too slow for the control coils, I'll give it a shot though. So the saturable inductors would be switches for the LC oscillators, thus limiting the current from the collector back into the control windings...
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Super God on June 13, 2011, 12:25:10 AM
Ah wait:
"The LC oscillators were used as control pulse currents to the saturable inductors."

Maybe the LC oscillators WERE used to pulse the control coils. From the patent I see that it compresses the wave and makes it more akin to a pulse than a sine wave...interesting! Since saturable inductors are controlled using DC it makes sense that he was referring to the control coil windings and not using the LC oscillators to control the saturable inductors...
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Super God on June 17, 2011, 05:20:03 AM
Ok, I have a 6AS7 tube, max current is about 125ma. Max volts is about 135, so I'm going be pulsing the coil with about 55 volts. The specification sheet did not mention what voltage I have to appy to the grid? Also what is the voltage on the grid in reference to?

Looking at tube circuits it appears that the output is attached to the B+/Plate voltage and the tube merely grounds it when the grid is energized. Across a coil that would be a dead short, is there supposed to be cap in between the coil and the B+ voltage to keep it from shorting?
Title: ATTENTION TO SPHERICS, HARRY12345, PLEASE EMAIL ME...
Post by: apotential on December 31, 2011, 10:45:48 PM
Spherics, Harry12345,

If you are still around, I would like to get into contact with you. Please email me at apotential@hushmail.com

Chances are, you'll never read this, but if you do, please contact me, its important.
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: apotential on February 10, 2012, 02:58:41 AM
Ditto...
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: CompuTutor on February 10, 2012, 07:42:20 AM
OK, here is the part I don't get,
if the problem of the original design
was that it ramped into overload,
and therefore had heat runaway.

Why aren't we, or why didn't he,
just make lemonade from lemons
and use liquid cooling to collect it ?

I see the runaway issue as a plus,
make electricity first,
and make heat too !

Am I the only one to see this ?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: MeggerMan on November 10, 2013, 02:42:09 AM
@All,
Its been over 6 years since this thread was started.
I think its time to try some experiments.


Anyone interested?




Meggeman
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: e2matrix on November 10, 2013, 07:41:18 PM
I'm sure a lot of people are interested in the TPU and experiments.   I'm interested but from what I've seen of Bruce-TPU's work it's complex or he has just not hit on the right setup yet.   Do you have something in mind?
Title: Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 05, 2020, 09:45:38 PM
This one also seems to have some nice garbage.

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