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Offline Grumpy

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #225 on: March 27, 2008, 03:23:39 PM »
@ all,

spherics mentioned the spin after you turn off the pulsing,  and I assumed the gyration of the atomic spins,  but let's assume there is no mass, like spherics describes, just empty space.    The question is, can you actualy have a true, real ROTATION with some INERTIA  (that can keep it going after the pulsing stops) ?   

The answer to this is a bit complicated, since there could be resonance in the LC circuits forming the pulses, and there can be observed and deduced that something is rotating (by seeing the ringing on an oscilloscope)  but if this can be snubbed out instantly, the theory says there is nothing !!! no rotation no nothing, it dies out instantly.   Why?  because the rotation is an illusion,  because it is acually a SUPERPOSITION of phased signals, but in actuality you just have individual fields from the coils that pulse, that's all.   So when these coils stop pulsing,  NO MORE FIELD!!!.   Or is there something?   If anybody can prove beyond a shodow of doubt that they can trully "spin" empty space and can prove that it's not the coils ringing after the pulse stops,  then you might have a shot at stardom.
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What is "inertia" in "ether terms"?  It has long been known by "Etherist" that the torsion, COMP, density, or Tempic field can linger for long periods after the initiating influence has been removed.  This field is what "dowsers" detect, but I guess that is "pseudoscience"...

Stephan Marinov believed that there were no "fields" - only the "potentials" and you already know that the ?potential fields? exist even without the ?physical fields?.  So, if I rotated the A-field, which causes a change in it's position and therefore it relationship with the ether, space, or dielectric vacuum - will it cause a current to manifest in a wire within this space?

You might not have seen it, but I recently put forth the question of is radiant energy (Tesla?s name for it) a current in the dielectric?  It?s charge is neutral, yet it reacts with conductors ? pulling at them - charging them electrically.  Is this an inward directed flow of something?  How does RE impart a charge to a conductor when it has no charge itself?  Does RE have a magnetic moment?  In a vague way, I just stirred the pot.

Let go of your "idiology" or stop wasting your time!

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #226 on: March 27, 2008, 03:29:08 PM »
Maybe we should try looking at this from an acoustic perspective instead of EM.  The phase delayed bifilar coil creates a longitudinal pulse.  The three control coils are like 3 speakers, all pointed toward the listener.

The top coil is required because sound will not propagate in a vacuum.  In this case the pulsing B-field is the medium, instead of air.

Maybe Spherics is an audiophile? ;)

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #227 on: March 27, 2008, 04:21:58 PM »
How does RE impart a charge to a conductor when it has no charge itself?
That's a good catch. Charge means existence of an electron. When we are talking about electric potentials or currents (this is what we are using in wires to do work), this does not have to deal with charge - it may deal with kinetic energy which manifests itself as EM waves in wires.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #228 on: March 27, 2008, 04:32:54 PM »
     @em devices

           An electric motor rotating magnetic field doesn't rotate.  It is as you described it a static field pulsed sequentially, which make the polar centers appear to be rotating.  This is a driven field which is totally out of sinc with the ambient magnetic field.    If we pulse a solenoid winding of bifilar wire the usually lost eddy currents are captured by the complimentry winding so at the very least we have an efficient solenoid.  The electrons in the conductor are responding to the ambient magnetic field (I hate to use the word aether so I'll just call it amf) long before we initiate the pulse.  In fact the amf is the scource of  BEMF.  We say the magnetic field collapses.  What's making it collapse and to what state is it collapsing to?
   The pulse adds energy to the electron's inerita within the conductor.  The skin electrons or drift electrons are in the inertial frame of the amf already.  The energy they absorb will amplify the amf  and any BEMF becomes just EMF.
There will of course be drain on the pulse energy by the atomic structure not in phase with the amf and result in thermal losses but that's resistance for you.

     The above solenoid coil's magnetic field is a product of the amf and results in flux concentration in phase with the amf.
This allows your pulse energy to accumulate in the future.

     Another funny thing I ran across was a ufo movie in Italian with at least 300 ufo stills compiled.  At the end of one of them was Spherics build protrayed at night. 4 balls of light  assembled in a tetrehedral lattice.  It was the only shot of many but there it was on film.  The weirder it gets the weirder it gets.  (Grumpy, I'm starting to get a little paranoid right now) ???
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #229 on: March 27, 2008, 04:36:17 PM »
Charge means a divergence of density - a variation in density of space around a point.

Regarding RE, if the little corpuscles that Tesla said had so little charge as to be considered neutrons were a current loop - perhaps composed of two charges working together with the vacuum dielectric between them - were to strike a closed conductor - would their closed loop merge into the closed conductor - self-capacitance might absorb or cancel this...

hmm - still can't quite get my mind around it

EDIT: correction to previous post - "Roentgen effect" should be "Roentgen current" (the "effect" refers to a different phenomenon)
« Last Edit: March 27, 2008, 04:58:29 PM by Grumpy »

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #230 on: March 27, 2008, 05:15:59 PM »
Maybe we should try looking at this from an acoustic perspective instead of EM.  The phase delayed bifilar coil creates a longitudinal pulse.  The three control coils are like 3 speakers, all pointed toward the listener.

The top coil is required because sound will not propagate in a vacuum.  In this case the pulsing B-field is the medium, instead of air.

Maybe Spherics is an audiophile? ;)

Bolt suggested a 3 channel amplifier. I built it.
I did Bucket -O- Vibes. 3 speakers facing the center and was able to heterodyne a spin.
I applied that circuit to my Bose acoustic radiator and I almost broke my house.
IS did Audiohenge. 3 speakers facing the center and was able to heterodyne a spin. He almost killed his plants.

We built things. 8)

--giantkiller.
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« Reply #231 on: March 27, 2008, 05:52:00 PM »
nice work tao,  may I suggest you simulated something slightly different than what spherics proposed?    Note that there is no vertical plane that cuts exactly through the top vertical coil AND contains TWO lower coils.   Why is that?  Becasue if you look from the top,   the 3 bottom coils are spaced at 120 degrees.

So you need to simulate just one vertical coil and one bottom coil  (full simulation not assuming symetry), then you will have what spherics describes. (at least one pulsing instance, where top coil and one of the 3 bottom coils pulse together)

Anyway,  I like the picture, and yes we can see the "voids" clearly.    The real question is what do the voids do, can they induce a current into the toroid placed at that location?   My answer,  NO.   :)


@ all,

spherics mentioned the spin after you turn off the pulsing,  and I assumed the gyration of the atomic spins,  but let's assume there is no mass, like spherics describes, just empty space.    The question is, can you actualy have a true, real ROTATION with some INERTIA  (that can keep it going after the pulsing stops) ?   

The answer to this is a bit complicated, since there could be resonance in the LC circuits forming the pulses, and there can be observed and deduced that something is rotating (by seeing the ringing on an oscilloscope)  but if this can be snubbed out instantly, the theory says there is nothing !!! no rotation no nothing, it dies out instantly.   Why?  because the rotation is an illusion,  because it is acually a SUPERPOSITION of quasi-static phased fields, and due to their electrical phasing only "appear" to rotate.   So when these coils stop pulsing,  NO MORE FIELD!!!.   Or is there something?   If somebody can prove this beyond a shodow of doubt, that they can trully "spin" empty space, and can prove that it's not the coils ringing after the pulse stops,  then you might have a shot at stardom.


EM
thanks tao nice image.
The output coil goes here as shown on tao image. My original message desribed the coil placement as halfway between the two coils. In my reply to you yesterday concerning why the toroid is correct as an output coil I again described this positioin in reference to magnetic field lines which match with tao image. At no point did I say the coil was to placed at the void like you suggest.

Again with regard to the Aspden Effect I enclosed a comment from Harold Aspden. This experiment is easy to conduct and verify. You'll also find that there is a disparity when spinning up a block of aluminium without any magnets which is even easier to try as an experiment (disparity of approx. 13-16%). You'll also find the same with nickel (disparity of approx. 8-12%). With unmagnetised iron you'll also get a smaller effect in the region of approx. 5% difference.

This author (Harold Aspden) has assembled a motor using disc-shaped ferrite magnets of the kind used in
loudspeakers, mounted on a rotor shaft and interleaved with electrical sheet steel laminations
each having eight poles. Here rotation causes the magnets to induce radial EMFs in those poled
rotor laminations and the passage of those poles past the corresponding poles of a stator
assembly causes flux pulsation. So we have the induction of a pulsating radial electric field in
aether coextensive with the rotor assembly, a recipe according to what has been stated above for
inflow of aether energy.
However, here again, this being an alternative version of a homopolar magnet machine,
the thought of this ever being a way forward in meeting our future energy needs has been ruled
out. However, the tests on this motor did give further insight into that interplay with the aether
and the presence of an anomalous energy gain.
When the motor was first started, spinning at some 1500 rpm, it was noted that it reached
that speed after switch-on in a period of 20-30 seconds. If it was then stopped and restarted, its
speed-up time to that speed was some 5 seconds if no more that two or three minutes had passed
since it had come to rest, but the longer the period waited before restart, the longer it took to
reach 1500 rpm. It was as if there was something there having a weak inertial coupling with the
rotor that was spinning separately and slowing down at a slower rate. Here was what seemed
to be an aether phenomenon.
Before moving on from that research effort several tests were performed at different
times of day and with different compass orientations of the rotor axis. The phenomenon varied
with spin axis direction, suggesting that the quantum spin of the aether has a fixed orientation
in space, a result consistent with the author?s theoretical expectations dating back to the late
1950 period. This phenomenon has been named ?The Aspden Effect? by Dr. Hal Fox, editor of
the U.S. publication New Energy News, which is why that expression is used as the title to this
section.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #232 on: March 27, 2008, 06:16:46 PM »
To ALL,

What is the easiest way to amplify the voltage of a square wave from 20V to 300V (I think that is what he said earlier)?

How would McGuiver do it?  Don't respond with a component or some other basic, vague remarks, I need a circuit.

I have the rest covered.

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« Reply #233 on: March 27, 2008, 06:31:31 PM »
@Grumpy
Look at the guts of a camera flash circuit, I know you probably know this but it has two step options one is from 1.5v to 300 and the 300 dumped through its fly back lc makes the 4KV to trigger the xenon.

This trigger can happen much faster and your only looking for a little current not hundreds of  microfarads like i was using it for . I propose this.

. A few camera flash boards with relays hooked in between the cap and the charging circuit hooked to a controller to set the timing. All the boards need is 1.5v at about a 500ma . that should be enough current for 3 or 4 of em.  That way you can use them to charge caps, set the relay' as there dump gates in to the main coils. If using small capacity high voltage caps they should charge to 300v in a second  if using larger caps 100mfd or more it might take 2 to 3 seconds to charge from a dedicated ps or battery.  I know its not an exact square wave but you can always do the lc calc to see freq of discharge of your caps to the inductor your dumping them through. It should be nice and disruptive at the least and cheap.  Sorry if this is no help. 
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #234 on: March 27, 2008, 06:41:55 PM »
To ALL,

What is the easiest way to amplify the voltage of a square wave from 20V to 300V (I think that is what he said earlier)?

How would McGuiver do it?  Don't respond with a component or some other basic, vague remarks, I need a circuit.

I have the rest covered.

        I think you need to start at O volts  to 300v.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #235 on: March 27, 2008, 07:07:52 PM »
He wants to step up his output so he gets 300 volts.  Hmmm.  Damn I wish I knew how to do this, I'm stuck at this point too.  The only thing I can think of is a step up coil, but I don't even know how well that would work.  Relays are out.  ICs generally don't handle that high of voltage.  We need pese!  or Earl, anyone??

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« Reply #237 on: March 27, 2008, 07:18:19 PM »
WTF?

Uping a pulse is easy for me. 

I want to increase the voltage of a clean square wave - something a "voltage amplifier" would do.

I know it can be done with trannies or mosfets fairly easily, but don't have any sources with me at this time.

Was hoping to find a circuit that we could all use and post here to get this rolling.

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« Reply #238 on: March 27, 2008, 07:18:37 PM »
He wants to step up his output so he gets 300 volts.  Hmmm.  Damn I wish I knew how to do this, I'm stuck at this point too.  The only thing I can think of is a step up coil, but I don't even know how well that would work.  Relays are out.  ICs generally don't handle that high of voltage.  We need pese!  or Earl, anyone??
What's the reason to have high voltage? Higher amperage should do the job. Is there any effective difference between 12V/2A and 300V/0.08A? In my opinion, it's all a question of weights (if seen from the point of view of system of equations used to describe schematic), it may not be relevant to underlying physical processes as for these, the difference between 12V/2A and 300V/0.08A is non-existent. Of course, I may be incorrect in assuming this. But if you want to argue, please give good arguments.

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« Reply #239 on: March 27, 2008, 07:23:08 PM »
 ::)

My friend, listen. Think about, no, visualize the following:
Imagine that you have a cannon which fires a projectile at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour.
The amount of energy held in the moving projectile until converted is lets say a figure of ten.
It will never become more then our figure of ten. The energy will slowly dissipate until the projectile slows and begins to fall to the ground and it's finale dissipation will occur when it strikes the earth or the object it was aimed at. Now, we have been told that there will never be more energy available from the projectile other then what was given to it when first fired into the sky, EXCEPT for the following example:
Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well.
Do you see how the different things all relate here?
Let me expand your mind for a moment....
Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon? Now you have another cannon traveling at 1000 miles an hour... Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired. However, since the cannon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles an hour when you fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000 miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile! You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another cannon and you fired it. Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and so on....
The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for conversion.
A long time ago, i said, if you take a bullet and throw it at the side of an automobile;e it will bounce off. However, if you place the bullet into a gun and fire it at the automobile it, with sufficient velocity, go through the metal door and through the other side because of the inertia energy available for conversion.
Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly enough!
Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert into huge amounts of energy.
Even electrons.....................................
Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of magnetic flux. what if you disable the effects of the flux?
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back. electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility! How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling close to the speed of light? Remember the bullet story.
Think of this:
Energy conversion is different when you consider speed. 12 volts at 100 amps is slow and the energy can not dissipate quickly enough to kill you by discharge. But, it is a lot of energy especially if converted to speed. Reduce that 100 amps to 100 mA but increase the voltage (speed) to 100,000 volts and you can electrocute someone!
"My unit operates on these principles"!!!!!.
Think about all those frequencies traveling inside the collector coil and how they interact.....
Sincerely,

 

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