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Offline Grumpy

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #210 on: March 27, 2008, 12:09:36 AM »
sparks,  I just saw you added the drawing.  Yes you are correct, that's my interpretation as well.

I took the liberty of correcting the diagram so as not to lead people astray:

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #211 on: March 27, 2008, 12:20:48 AM »
Was FreedomFuel trying to convince everyone to "bury the TPU" because it had "neclear weapon" potential?

Didn't SM say he got a visit from the Atomic Energy Comission?

A goes to B goes to C...

Hello All,
This is correct.  If the unit reached perfect "harmonics" it could take out a city, the man from AEC had said.  SM was threatened with jail, etc. because of the dangers involved.  Remember the "imploding TV's?"

What I think:
I think Spherics was/is SM's engineer.  I think the earliest TPU, was the least dangerous and is why we have now been told how to build it.

I think Spherics and SM have continued to work on the TPU as told by SM, to iron out some of the bugs.  And that Spherics first post is the latest incarnation.

I think that Spherics gave out too much information on the implosion coils, thus it's removal.  It add's credance in my mind to everything he has said, based on what SM has told us about the dangers of the TPU.

I think that the "three Frequencies" needed for the other SM TPU's, were frequencies that tapped into huge magnetic waves and these would have increased the "COMP" field producing more current.  But SM said even if we did not hit the "correct" frequency's" we would see power, but only a little.  The "COMP" field would be much weaker.

I think that Spherics knows about Bob Boyce's device, because I had Mannix send a copy of the .pdf that I composed to SM to look over.  I think that he passed it to Spherics, thus Spherics mention of Bob Boyce.

Lastly I think some of us should build the kick coils and some should build the 2008 version of the TPU as described in Spherics first post.

I think that Spherics used the user name of Spherics because it was the name of SM's former company.

Stop jabbering and let's try to actually build something for once.  Out of twenty replicators of the Bob Boyce device only ONE ever got to the point to actually test it.  If nothing works some can wag their finger and say I told you so.  I don't care. 

Will you, the readers of this post, build and post your experiments or just continue to talk everyone to death?   ;) :D 

@ Spherics

Thank you, very very much, from a grateful soul.

God Bless,

Bruce

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #212 on: March 27, 2008, 02:32:23 AM »
The coil disposition has merit. The bifilar idea as shown, in my opinion is of no use. The current will just bypass through the coil of least resistance. The fact that the coils are connected as shown, nothing will happen. The idea of creating a second squeeze effect will not work as shown. You will actually decrease the field. Sorry.

All the ether talk is simply wishful thinking and does not touch the reality of the apparatus at all. Basically as the toroid produces current, it will create a BEMF (yes I hate that word) onto which the three  bottom coils will rub their fields. The top coil will simply create a constant repulsion zone over the toroid. Nothing more. Nothing less. No need for fancy ether talk because it does not mean anything. You will probably need to send an excitation current into the toroid to start the drag conditions like any standard alternator. You can choose your tires and your rims, but you won't re-invent the wheel on this one.

Also, stating this is a more efficient design then the TPU. Say what? Did I read this correctly. I would hope that to say this, one would have a working spheric unit and a working TPU and have done exact performance comparisons before one would state this in public. More efficient?

Like I said on the outset of this thread, the design is interesting in that it resembles Otto's ECD but with a more logical field development. This is said and based on the ECD "experience" with thanks to Ottos and Robertos hard work. Nothing more.

There remains so many questions concerning the design itself that it is futile to spend time talking about master theories. Main things will be;

- to find the proper toroid/coils winding ratios.
- to develop the proper driving method - non SS if you expect to use the flyback.
- to develop the true angles for the coils because I do not think the perfect triangle design will work since the fields from the coils will be coming out ovular.
- develop a reasoning on if the coils will be driven as primaries or as high inductance and use some Tesla know-how to reduce the overall power consumption.

In my view, the idea of three down, toroid, one up is good. But not three out. I would put the triangle upside down with the three coils around the bottom tip driving the toroid from inside where the drag could be contained with the top coil impulses otherwise you will lose 75% of the field effect. But that's just me. Triangles are good for structure but have no special merit for substance. The components used will decide the substance.

I do not believe any of this has anything to do with the TPU at all and Roberto said it very quickly, this is not a TPU and there is no relation. The descriptions of the TPU operation are faulty and do not "fit". I don't know where spherics got these stories about SM working intermittently on this over years, etc., etc., and I don't buy it.

Now if there was a nice dark roomed video of this device in action, we would all feell at home here.lol

I think I have finally figured out what exactly is happening here in terms of Spherics, his unit, SM, the TPU, etc., but will wait a little longer to see what @spherics says in his next "two" posts. Language has a way of permeating through the years. I think someone better copy this thread now.

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« Reply #212 on: March 27, 2008, 02:32:23 AM »
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #213 on: March 27, 2008, 02:46:30 AM »
The coil disposition has merit. The bifilar idea as shown, in my opinion is of no use. The current will just bypass through the coil of least resistance. The fact that the coils are connected as shown, nothing will happen. The idea of creating a second squeeze effect will not work as shown. You will actually decrease the field. Sorry.

All the ether talk is simply wishful thinking and does not touch the reality of the apparatus at all. Basically as the toroid produces current, it will create a BEMF (yes I hate that word) onto which the three  bottom coils will rub their fields. The top coil will simply create a constant repulsion zone over the toroid. Nothing more. Nothing less. No need for fancy ether talk because it does not mean anything. You will probably need to send an excitation current into the toroid to start the drag conditions like any standard alternator. You can choose your tires and your rims, but you won't re-invent the wheel on this one.

Also, stating this is a more efficient design then the TPU. Say what? Did I read this correctly. I would hope that to say this, one would have a working spheric unit and a working TPU and have done exact performance comparisons before one would state this in public. More efficient?

Like I said on the outset of this thread, the design is interesting in that it resembles Otto's ECD but with a more logical field development. This is said and based on the ECD "experience" with thanks to Ottos and Robertos hard work. Nothing more.

There remains so many questions concerning the design itself that it is futile to spend time talking about master theories. Main things will be;

- to find the proper toroid/coils winding ratios.
- to develop the proper driving method - non SS if you expect to use the flyback.
- to develop the true angles for the coils because I do not think the perfect triangle design will work since the fields from the coils will be coming out ovular.
- develop a reasoning on if the coils will be driven as primaries or as high inductance and use some Tesla know-how to reduce the overall power consumption.

In my view, the idea of three down, toroid, one up is good. But not three out. I would put the triangle upside down with the three coils around the bottom tip driving the toroid from inside where the drag could be contained with the top coil impulses otherwise you will lose 75% of the field effect. But that's just me. Triangles are good for structure but have no special merit for substance. The components used will decide the substance.

I do not believe any of this has anything to do with the TPU at all and Roberto said it very quickly, this is not a TPU and there is no relation. The descriptions of the TPU operation are faulty and do not "fit". I don't know where spherics got these stories about SM working intermittently on this over years, etc., etc., and I don't buy it.

Now if there was a nice dark roomed video of this device in action, we would all feell at home here.lol

I think I have finally figured out what exactly is happening here in terms of Spherics, his unit, SM, the TPU, etc., but will wait a little longer to see what @spherics says in his next "two" posts. Language has a way of permeating through the years. I think someone better copy this thread now.

@ Wattsup

The man just told you that if you build it you will see a KICK!!  And your response is, "The bifilar idea as shown, in my opinion is of no use."  HUH????  Either Spherics is a liar, or people just want to ignore information, because it does not fit their preconceptions.  Typical.  More Jabber.

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #214 on: March 27, 2008, 03:00:16 AM »
Every time we feed a square wave into a coil, a "kick" will occur.  It's what we do with the kick that is important.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #215 on: March 27, 2008, 03:11:40 AM »
Since spheric has declined to clarify his design in relation to the original SM design, I'll take a stab at describing what I think he is really trying to say:

With all 4 poles oriented and fired as he shows in the diagram, i.e. all N-poles facing inward, there will be a repulsion or bucking of fields in such a way that the vector sum of each coil pair creates crudely a rotating magnetic mono-pole (RMMP) of sorts, mostly in the horizontal plane. Due to the mutual angle of the bucking fields, the resultant field extends outside the perimeter of coils XYZ.

In SM's design (presumably), as with Tesla's seminal insight alike, the RMF created is a rotating magnetic di-pole (RMDP), mostly in the horizontal plane.

So maybe a RMMP is spherics' goal as opposed to the 'less efficient' RMDP?

i.e. Does a RMMP create a vortexing aether field more efficiently than a RMDP does?

thanks for your latest post spherics.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2008, 03:52:18 AM by poynt99 »

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #216 on: March 27, 2008, 03:53:27 AM »





The SM designs all work on the same set of principles. A pulse into a coil generates an expanding magnetic field. The magnetic field comes into being by an underlying patterning of the ether. It is a cascade action on the part of the ether that causes the EFFECT of an expanding magnetic field. If you then cause a second magnetic field to expand through the same space as the already expanding magnetic field, a specific cascading action, a pattern is setup in the ether which is the EQUIVALENT of a magnetic field and has many of the characteristics of a magnetic field. By this I mean it will interact with metals, and cause the EFFECT of a current, IF the field is moving across the metal.  I will refer to this field as a COMP field from now on. But please be clear this COMP field is in addition to the expected magnetic field. This COMP field, a patterning in the ether, is dampened and effectively nulled by magnetic metals. This is why if you are using an iron core in the coils named control coils you will never get a working TPU.

No doubt this may be disconcerting to many who have fond references to baling wire, iron wire and the like. I will now digress onto the circumstance surrounding the initial eureka moment as I understand them. Audiophiles who frequent this watering-hole will no doubt have heard of QUAD ESL electrostatic speakers. An essential design element is the incoming signal is sent into, I believe, 7 or 8 progressive delay elements. These elements delay the signal by microseconds each time.

As part of experiments, associated with what would become his 3D spacial control patents, he was using these delay elements with custom made bifilar wound voice coils (i.e. air coils) and unexpectedly detected an anomolous signal on his spectrum analyser.

Steven Mark created his own delay elements using iron wire after several years of intermittent experimentation. The technique was to carefully wrap a bifilar air-coil using copper wire. The longer the length of copper the better but using identical lengths. The two coils were connected to the SAME pulse waveforms in parallel so that the magnetic field is additive NOT cancelling. The delay element was added in series to only one of the coils that made up the bifilar coil. The delay coil was made from insulated iron wire wound into an air coil. An oscilloscope was connected to both COPPER coils. The setup would be pulsed with a dc offset square wave (i.e. 0 to 20V not -10 to 10V) at the resonant frequency of the bifilar coils. The tuning consisted of cutting the iron wire down in length until an unexpected pulse/signal appeared. This pulse is the kick. I will refer to these tuned bifilar coils as kick coils.

You are privy to the information that the COMP field is nulled by iron. Those who so wish may like to take some time to fully comprehend the frustrations of closely packing the delay and bifilar coils together only to find the unexpected pulse was no longer appearing!!!  This is what SM had to contend. And Jack says SM was not technical. Bunkum!!

From traditional electrical engineering view point the kick coils for a particular quantity of energy now put out the expected magnetic field but also put out the COMP field which has effects like a magnetic field. In a world that excludes the ether, these coils are overunity. If the world took into account the ether, then the coils would not be thought of as overunity.

The magnetic field is now larger than expected. All that needs to be done is to rotate this field in a circle and intercept the field with an output coil. The captured energy is greater than the input energy because of the energy apparently created by the COMP field. If you arrange all N poles of the kicker coils so that they point towards the center and pulse each coil in turn you will get a rotating magnetic field. There are many ways to create a rotating magnetic field. A secondary effect of a rotating field is the entrainment of the COMP field so that the pattern in the ether is partially additive. A big problem was the iron in the delay coils. It was found that a large solenoid fed with a DC current to produce a static magnetic field around all of the kicker coils allowed the kicker coils to be tuned with the iron delay coils in close proximity.

Intercepting only N poles of the kicker coils means you get a DC output along with a smaller induced ripple from pulsing the kicker coils.

Feedback of the output into the input was achieved using toroidal saturable inductor switches. I've copied the picture from other messages of the inductor switches. Refer to the patent for an example to see how these switches are used. Early designs used a small magnet to bias the saturable inductors.

All SM devices had small batteries to power the LC oscillators. The LC oscillators were used as control pulse currents to the saturable inductors. To start the process high voltage capacitors were step charged, this is why the coils took time to start-up! The first few pulses came from these pre-charged capacitors being switched via saturable inductors. Part of the DC output was feedback to keep the capacitors fully charged.

My design shown at the very start of this message thread eliminated the need for an iron delay coil because the pattern is set up in the ether outside of the influence of copper metal of the control coils. It directly allows the COMP field to be generated IN FREE SPACE. By placing the output toroidal coil within this free space the COMP field is intercepted. The complete lack of any magnetic materials within this design is what allows this to happen.

I do believe there are elements of information here that you will not have been aware of before. I trust this is enough to convince at least some of you to reflect and ponder more seriously on this material.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19820016542_1982016542.pdf



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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #217 on: March 27, 2008, 04:40:28 AM »
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Intercepting only N poles of the kicker coils means you get a DC output along with a smaller induced ripple from pulsing the kicker coils.

Yes Bruce this would account for the mainly DC output, which is why I explained the rotating field as similar to a mono-pole.

As you are a man that seems to have a lot of the answers, how does the rotating di-polar field in SM's device account for this DC output?

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #218 on: March 27, 2008, 04:52:06 AM »
You are all missing many peices of the puzzle and trying to put it together anyway.

The goal here, as will many devices, unbeknownced to the inventer, is to manipulate what spherics has termed "density".  This "density" has other names, one of which is the "tempic" field.  I researched this for a great deal of time - starting with the familiar A-field and B-field to find the work of Wilbert Smith and others.  Density implies a gradient or scalar - i.e. a single unit parameter like "temperature".  I used the word "parameter" on purpose.  In Smith's work, he explains that the universe is composed of 12 parameters in three fabrics of 4 parameters each.  7 parameters are required to study a particle and the other 5 are required to do something with the particle.  Density or the tempic field is the first parameter of the "field' fabric which is separate from the "space" fabric.

Anyway, you take this "density" and you "diverge" it.  This gives you an electric field - which has a vector and a scalar. Now that  you have an electric field, you make this loop on itself and you now have the "curl" of the "divergence" of the "density" - i.e. a magnetic field. This is dynamic so a constant change is required to maintain it.

Like I stated before - the field of this device must form as a vortex.

Some of you may notice a similarity with the mention of voltage and current on two copper rods in this vortex and similar statements by Tesla when he pulled 100 of amps from his coils or vaporized aluminum foil.

The more intuitive will notice that he said "copper" rods - no aluminum, no iron, etc.

So what if ths does not look like a ring!  Who said it has to? 

The "kick" referred to is coupled to the time field - tapping the aether.

We might ask ourselves, what happened to the rate of time (entropy) within this field - this don't look like Kansas anymore...

Oh and last but not least - build it like he said and stop overthinking it.

EDIT: Time is the gradient of spin.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #219 on: March 27, 2008, 05:14:28 AM »
At the nuts and bolts level, spherics' and SM's designs are quite different, yet I think we are being told that the fundamental operation is the same. I invite anyone to explain the differences and the similarities at the nuts and bolts level.

For all those that have this all figured out already, your input is appreciated.

I think in order to build either version we need to start examining the nuts and bolts of the device rather than "tempic" fields and the like.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #220 on: March 27, 2008, 06:20:02 AM »
     I am just going the SM route with a timing coil and output coil just to see a big pulse on an oscope.  (Not a big ring I would have got without Grumpy's corrections :P)  Then monitor the magnetic field around the output coil with and without the timing.  Just checking.  I might try using a small saturable core reactor instead of snipping wires though.  I guess the pulse frequency isn't critical just the shape so maybe start off at 5khz.  I've got a 0-10khz power supply  0-230vdc used to pulse a hv transformer.   I think it is going to be critical to shield the timing coil from any em energy so that it splits the pulse energy in phase with the target waves.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #221 on: March 27, 2008, 06:55:28 AM »
(I'm sure there is a cool Latin phrase for that).

"Obre los Ojos" comes to mind...

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« Reply #222 on: March 27, 2008, 10:51:34 AM »
Another visual...

Was made by doing a FEMM sim of two mag fields interacting at 120 degrees, then the image was processed in Photoshop to mirror the fields seen.

This in effect then shows a 2d 'slice' of the mag field interactions going on, similar to EMdevices's picture on page 5 but different. This picture shows the 2d 'slice' of the unit after the aether vortex would have been presumably setup...

NOTE: THIS IS A 2D 'sliced' VIEW FROM THE SIDE OF THE DEVICE!

Here are some of spherics's quotes that you might find interesting when looking at the image below:

"To complete the picture the intercept coil can be an air-core toroidal coil placed in a horizontal plane halfway between the top coil and the bottom three coils sized so that the outside of the toroid would touch, but not overlap, the imaginary planes of the tetrahedral pyramid sides. The diameter of the toroid hole should be the same as the diameter of the toroid windings for optimum results"

"With a little bit more thought you may even consider the placement of the magnetic void and again see that this void would transpose on rotation to form a toroid void. The persistence of the ether waves long after the magnetic field allows discrete time separated pulses to merge in their affect on the ether. This void combined with the rotating pulses cause the ether to spiral."

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« Reply #223 on: March 27, 2008, 02:06:52 PM »
nice work tao,  may I suggest you simulated something slightly different than what spherics proposed?    Note that there is no vertical plane that cuts exactly through the top vertical coil AND contains TWO lower coils.   Why is that?  Becasue if you look from the top,   the 3 bottom coils are spaced at 120 degrees.

So you need to simulate just one vertical coil and one bottom coil  (full simulation not assuming symetry), then you will have what spherics describes. (at least one pulsing instance, where top coil and one of the 3 bottom coils pulse together)

Anyway,  I like the picture, and yes we can see the "voids" clearly.    The real question is what do the voids do, can they induce a current into the toroid placed at that location?   My answer,  NO.   :)


@ all,

spherics mentioned the spin after you turn off the pulsing,  and I assumed the gyration of the atomic spins,  but let's assume there is no mass, like spherics describes, just empty space.    The question is, can you actualy have a true, real ROTATION with some INERTIA  (that can keep it going after the pulsing stops) ?  

The answer to this is a bit complicated, since there could be resonance in the LC circuits forming the pulses, and there can be observed and deduced that something is rotating (by seeing the ringing on an oscilloscope)  but if this can be snubbed out instantly, the theory says there is nothing !!! no rotation no nothing, it dies out instantly.   Why?  because the rotation is an illusion,  because it is acually a SUPERPOSITION of quasi-static phased fields, and due to their electrical phasing only "appear" to rotate.   So when these coils stop pulsing,  NO MORE FIELD!!!.   Or is there something?   If somebody can prove this beyond a shodow of doubt, that they can trully "spin" empty space, and can prove that it's not the coils ringing after the pulse stops,  then you might have a shot at stardom.


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« Reply #224 on: March 27, 2008, 02:32:39 PM »
Anyway,  I like the picture, and yes we can see the "voids" clearly.    The real question is what do the voids do, can they induce a current into the toroid placed at that location?   My answer,  NO.   :)

The question is how does the ether vortex interact with a conductor in the same space.

It was mentioned earlier that two copper rods placed into the space occupied by the vortex would convey voltage and current.  Kinda sounds like placing the plates of a capacitor in a moving dielectric - look up the "Roentgen effect" - isn't that interesting?

The non-ionic conductive  field produced around the elevated capacitive terminal of a Tesla magnifier, doesn't sound so strange any more.

Anyway, the experiment to see a kick should be tried first - Dave is already doing this.

 

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