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gn0stik

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #405 on: June 06, 2008, 01:13:32 AM »
HI

  FOR S.M  IF is here    man how  long time you whill   keep dis  secret  WE  HAVE HERE IN THIS FORUM    HAVE TO MUCS  THEORY  IS  TELING  OF DIFERENT PEOPLE  OF  ALL THE   WORLD   WAY   YOU CAN  TEEL SOMETHING    AND HELPS TO  GOING IN THE  RAID WAY   OF  OUR   THEORY    I DONT  WHANT TO TEEL ALL SECRET << BUT TELL  AS  THE   RAID WAY TO FIND DIS  >>
I HAVE LEARN  AND   AND   I SEE  ALL THIS  THEORY IS POSIBLE   BUT   I DONT KNOW   HO IS THE TRUE   THEORY   OF YOU 

 IF YOU HAVE  THAT  DIVICE  HO HAVE ABLE TO SAVE THE ALL WORLD   WAY  YOU CAN  HELP  OF  ALL MAN  KIND    <<THE  < GOD HAS  GIVE TO NIKOLA TESLA   ALL THAT  SUPERIOR STUFF  TO   OPEN  WAY   TO GOING   TO BE PERFECKT WORLD
>>GOD GIVE  ALL THAT  FOR  TO BE PERFECKT   IF THE  GOD  HAS TOLD YOU  HOW TO MAKE  <LETS SAY PERPETUMOBILE> WAY  YOU DONT SHARE   YOU  DIVICE
IF  YOU DONT WHANT TO TELL EVERYTHING  THEN SEND  ANTHER 
VIDEO    NEW  OF  YOU TPU

MAN   IS TO LONG TIME IS  10 YEARS 
 
I ONLY  NEED  IS  JUST   TO TELL THE RAID WAY TO KEEP GOING  FIND  HOW IS WORKING

<<P.S     IF THE ONE LIFE  OF ENY  MAN IS  TO   IMPORTANT  THEN  ALL MAN OF  ALL WORLD  IS  NOT IMPORTANT   >>
I LIKE TO  SAY  S.M  MAKE  YOU   FINAL STEP    AND  MAKE RISK  YOU  LIFE  TO TELL  THE TRUE     
THE   FUTURE IS IMPORTANT    TO IMPROVE  AND  GOING  TO MAKE BETER WORLD

THE <<Nikola Tesla   HAS  SHARE  ALL  THAT 100 PATENTS FOR   ALL GOOD  OF THE WORLD
               
           Steven Mark     I HOPE SOME DAYS    THE FUTURE CHILDREN   WHILL BE SAID
 
             NIKOLA TESLA HAS   MAKE ELKTRICITY 
         BUT S.M  IS  MAKE  ELKTRICYTI   HO IS FORK   PERPETUAL WAYS  ;) ;) ;)


You are so awesome, keep it up man, I love reading your posts.

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dumb demand Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #406 on: June 08, 2008, 07:34:22 PM »
@MACEDONIA  CD, in case you don't grasp.

It is very easy to demand some one's pain-and-brain child, to give it away, even for "the sake of better world". Example: give one your newly born child to fix problems of ten sick people. They will pay, but what non-human monster can make such deal?

Demanding one person for saving of ignorant world of spoon-fed brain-washed slaves is not fair. It is even insulting, when taking into account, that he clearly stated about his legal agreement, positions relative to thinking, experimenting and creativity. Yet, without "special case", TPU could be studied by the way of scientific question/answer, if technical detales of implementation are intellectual property, thus are hidden.


Next is (long and) constructive approach: history, education, skills, slavery agendas.


Mind you that Faraday was walking from one room to another for 10 years to make "electricity from magnetism". After another 40 or so years Maxwell wrapped all experimental data in math form. And yet another 20 or so went, to have Herz and others to evaluate Maxwell's predictions.

Here comes The Great Tesla. I doubt he will dream about any electricity, if he didn't knew it already from the school. He did many great things, but let's focus on problems.

1) free electricity for everyone -- problems with banker Morgan and all other corrupted slavery-keepers

2) many experiments and effects. problems:
  2.1) no interest from theoreticians to collect, organize and finally wrap results in math, like Maxwell did. This kind of math work is needed to make intensive up-development. Math-handwaving, over-mathemaization and "Big Bang"-kind of bullshit as a result -- isn't a right way to go.
    Relativistic fan and fun science, its religion are also so -- i.e. it's better to make dream-experiments with clocks and observers, than to look on *actual* experimental data and see ALL *actual* facts. It's kind of nazi mind-blinding crap from same time era, that today is as alive as ever.
    No wonder, why Tesla's works are still mystery. Especially stupid, if one will think about how useful and applicable many thing were right away!
    Oh, yea, refs: Harold Aspden is a good source with reliable historical and practical information. I've just saw his name and web site was mentioned here, and i cannot stop reading his works for whole last week now. (I wonder why he didn't wrote or analysed TPU yet.)

  2.2) governmental cover up of patents, information, etc. It's mainly due to (1), profits, military "applications" and other "patriotic" big-brother stuff.

  2.3) Don't know about how Tesla handled info-sharing himself. As it was said, he died poor. Thus, i don't think, he was asking too much for info that he might wanted to sell (if there was demand at all). Also why patent protection and fees didn't work? Even court had made decision about radio only after his death. Stupid bureaucrats couldn't do their job properly and in time.
  Ouch, he was too ahead of the time, thus discredited by stupid scientific fashion and followers.


OK, now another thing: what will you do with some one's technology? How you will do anything with it?. Monkey see, monkey do? How about brainy humans, tools usage, creativity, imagination, learning, passing of knowledge and wisdom? Yes, government should take care of all this stuff now. Or does it?


Modern education and skills. Before i will start, just want to notice, that you, dear MACEDONIA CD, can't handle simple English: typing, work with dictionary, spell checking. (It's not an insult, just a note). This is quite odd in the public forum.

So what about physics, mathematics and engineering?

Physics is all about experiments, interpretation, theories and back to experiments. Again Harold Aspden has all said and done. All what i was searching and wondering for nearly last ten years of my education/graduation, i was able to read and understand in the very well-written, experimentally adopted/proven, really scientifically theoretical ways.

Yes, one needs math for that, because it is a language of science. Yes, you can speak sh*t and f*ck with it. But if no one else can understand that, then who cares?

Mathematics. How many times in modern life, books, etc. it can be seen "math is too hard, let's go shopping", "introduction: here we will not use math"(don't scare, read on), pocket calculators, etc.? And even in shops i doubt many will do raw estimations or calculations of overall cost in mind. In arithmetic or algebra i doubt many can do simple stuff as in mind as well as on paper. Laziness or stupidity?

200 or so years ago math. analysis (high-math) was in full development, yet now many even in the field, not just on street, cannot tell simple story about derivative or integral. Same with geometry and as common of the two disciplines -- vector analysis (scalar/vector multiplication, some specific forms of derivatives and integrals). In short: there is nothing special about this *language*: as addition to general operations (+-/*^), derivative is a speed or rate of change, integral is a (parametric) sum.

Again, very good all-in-one place to look at complex things on simple language is Harold Aspden's web sites (and references on books), http://www.aspden.org/books/mas/masch08.pdf first page:

"Do we know the law of interaction for discrete charges which are both in motion? We can hardly explain the physics of diverse phenomena in terms of common relation with a particle system of electric charge unless we can answer this question with a firm 'yes'. Explaining Nature in terms of electric charge behaviour is physics. The mathematician knows how his symbols interact so he has no problem creating his theories of the universe. The physicist has problems finding the facts and even finding how to express the facts, because we are not quite sure any more what we mean when we talk of a particle in motion. Motion is a relative quantity and requires a reference frame. Do we have to specify a reference frame to develop physics?[...]"

Read Whittaker's "A History of the theories of aether and electricity, vol. 1" to find out about how "a profound mathematician Cauchy" in 10 years using pure analytical approach created 2+3 theories of phenomena of the Nature which all were quite ridiculous from physical points of view.

Important things to ask for and see here: what ideas are in the base, are they handwavings or experimental facts? Then, what can be seen by analysing written results? Is it physical, is it experimentally provable, is it Natural or it's bullshit after all? OK, latter may be a religious thing, which shares math as language, but anyway.  Tesla's case shows, that no math was ever used to *start* with. E.g. there are all old laws of Coulomb or Faraday, yet Tesla is a mystery.

So, next time you will hear "quantum mechanics and its equations show", "theory of relativity proves", think of the above. And don't get hooked with all that quantum or mega-universe or mars-mission stuff. There are plenty of questions right before our eyes and in our life on the Earth. But i doubt important information or research results are released. TPU case is special, because it is very convincing and touches very foundation of modern life and economy. Yet it is just one person.

Sure many advanced things are not easy at all, but basic physics is proven and is a building block of many complex things. I personally upset about ignorance of population about questioning and using simple facts.

Tech skills. This is different matter from common knowledge and education. Many handcrafting things and know-how are kept in secret. But let's focus on electronics and especially its application (no materials science of components or very big and complex designs).

Digital era of calculating toasters. What about analog electronics? Sure there are many-many semiconductor devices with fine datasheets, ready to be used, etc. Sure there are many schematics, textbooks, standard ways of doing things, industry technologies, wisdom, etc.

Yet there's no automated and reliable way of creating and evaluating designs. Components quality/precision, all kinds of noise, parasitics, PCB, environment, connections and even cables -- all contribute in final result and performance.

After success of solid state materials and digital designs, analog while still important, went even more deeply in dependence of final IC blocks. Interesting, how much knowledge, wisdom and craft left from previous generations of electronic engineers? How many today's young amateurs interested in more than reading datasheets, application notes and getting free samples? Case of tubes.

Add all bankers', their puppet government's conflicts of interests and simple human respect for privacy here.

Button line: think from many points of view, what you are demanding for.

MACEDONIA CD

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #407 on: June 08, 2008, 11:12:06 PM »
hi   @ olecom

 yes you are  raid   you say the true things  all that stuff is controlING  one thing   << MONEY>>
THAT IS POWERFULL   THEN LIFE 
   
yes is  something about  discahrge  of cap   
when i have start whit this problematic      i have start  whit  this  discharge  simple cap
I HAVE   ONE  OLD   PHISIC FRIEND   OLD  PROFESSOR   AND GOOD    MAN    I  E SAID  THE SIMPLE   THING OF CAP  <<YOU  WHILL CHARGE  WHIT   SMALL   INPUT  ENRGY <,,BUT WHEN YOU DISCHARGE  SHORT  YOU WHILL HAVE     MORE AMPS   MAYBE   10  OR 50  TIMES   BIGER   WHEN  YOU PUT THERE  <<AND  ATHERE  WHEN THIS HAPEND   YOU HAVE ONLY   AMPS   WHITOUT   VOLTAGE >>STRANGE  SIMPLE THINGS   

ATHERE  I HAVE  THING  AND  I HAVE MADE SOME SIMPLE TEST  HOW TO CREATED  SPIN  IN ONE DIRECTION  LIKE ROTATIONS 
AND THEN I HAVE  THING  HOW IS FORK  A SIMPLE   AC  MOTOR  WHIT ONE   <phase >

yes  there is  one WIRE   whit  two ends  but  way is made  coils  in the serial ways  <that is  only one  wire  whit  two ends   >>way  is have  to make    serial  colis whit that way  >>
and  there is start to  see clear  <<there is my kicks >>.LIKE YOU HAVE SOME  MOVIE   AND  YOU THEN   CUTIN IN TO THE  FRAMES>SIMPLE THINGS LIKE I HAVE   ONE   HZ   AND I MAKE    COIL WHIT SERIAL  AND  GET  MORE   KICKS >AND   GET THE  SPEED 
BUT IS THE PROBLEM HOW  TO MAKE   SPINING IN ONE DIRECTION HMMMMMMMMM
 YES  YOU  HAVE SAID   ABOUT   <<Harold Aspden >>
yes  is  like   i have multivibrator  sheme  whitout transistors   ;)
two caps   two coil and  then isonly have i switching
YES IS  HAROLD IS  GOOD THING   BUT IS NEED  LITLE  TO IMPROVE  WHIT  SOME PARTS  THERE 

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #408 on: June 09, 2008, 03:14:09 AM »
Hi Guys;

I don't want to change the topic but I thought I'd share an experiment I just did regarding the very first item on this thread, SPHERICS TPU. I was always interested in his design and was hoping someone would attempt it, but it seems there was a lot of discussion but no real replication.  I am not qualified to design the solid state driver it would take to feed the coils to induce rotation so in my attempt I used a motor with rotor and magnet which turned on three magnet switches  sequentially and fed the bottom three coils, as well as the top coil with each pulse. I have been trying different speeds to feed the coil and induce a rotating field but I am getting nothing on the output coil. I have tried   feeding the coils with 6 and 12 volts DC but nothing seems to work.  I would appreciate if someone could point me to a simple driver circuit that could feed the coils sequentially so that I can give this thing a fair shake. I know the motor Idea is far to slow to create the effect but I thought I'd give it a try anyway.

SPHERICS, if your out there how about some advice on the driver and the feed voltage?

Have a look.  http://picasaweb.google.com/vincemormile/2008_06_08?authkey=LtgXvSRHaH4

Regards
Vince

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #409 on: June 09, 2008, 06:23:02 AM »
@ vince - Nice build! I also saw some interesting aspects of spherics' idea, but unrelated to the TPU. I'm inclined to wonder about possible electro-gravitic effects. Maybe you could *safely* suspend a sliver of iron or a sewing needle somehow, just to see if there's anything interesting going on?

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #410 on: June 09, 2008, 10:38:08 AM »
Vince maybe go look for a dc stepper motor controller chip, this would be the easiest way. I don't know any chip numbers off the top of my head so maybe go ask the geeks at the local electronic shop :D

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #411 on: June 09, 2008, 05:58:31 PM »
@ Vince


internal server error on your webpage, no pics

if you look on previous page, i do have a build that i am working on as per spherics design,

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #412 on: June 09, 2008, 07:42:13 PM »
@vince

Unable to view the above link.

How about posting some details of your tests, such as:
   Coil dimensions, spacing & angle
   Did you use a  DC offset
   What pulse frequencies you have tried
   Pulse voltage


Check out Earl's circuits: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2582.0.html


-Duff

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #413 on: June 09, 2008, 11:42:55 PM »
Sorry guys;

Try this link    http://picasaweb.google.com/vincemormile/2008_06_08?authkey=LtgXvSRHaH4

@Keytone

Sorry I had not looked at the last few pages.  Nice job!!  I just made a quick version to see if I could get any kind of output

@Duff

I used 4,12 volt solenoid coils (1" OD .5" ID 1.75" Long)
6 and 12 volt DC feed from a battery charger
approximately 3" OD 2.125 " ID pickup coil #14 gauge multistrand cppoer wire
3 magnetic security switches for the sequencing. ( probably not sensitive enough at higher speed so it is not firing the coils)
With the motor speed maximum at 1750 rpm it would have pulsed each coil that many times per minute and twice that when I used two magnets.

I think I'm going to have to come up with some other kind of switching for the coils as those magnet switches just can't turn on and off at those speeds. Maybe a brush commutator?

Regards
Vince

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #414 on: June 10, 2008, 03:41:23 AM »
Sorry guys;

Try this link    http://picasaweb.google.com/vincemormile/2008_06_08?authkey=LtgXvSRHaH4


Vince,

That is the same link that you gave us before.

Try logging out of your google account and then see if you can access it.

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I think I'm going to have to come up with some other kind of switching for the coils as those magnet switches just can't turn on and off at those speeds. Maybe a brush commutator?

A commutator will introduce noise...


Thanks for the details...


-Duff

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #415 on: June 10, 2008, 05:47:43 AM »
Does it not disturb anyone else that spherics specifies 300V yet does not provide ANY dimensions whatsoever aside from (incomplete) relative dimensions? What use is 300V if you don't know what you're applying it to? Let's see I think I'll try 3 turns on my coil and apply my 300V... ZAP! WOW it exploded must be free energy..... come on now.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #416 on: June 10, 2008, 06:35:07 AM »
 :D LOL

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #417 on: June 10, 2008, 06:52:02 AM »
Duff

I logged off and it seems to work fine from my end.
Give it a try.

Vince

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #418 on: June 10, 2008, 08:53:52 AM »
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Does it not disturb anyone else that spherics specifies 300V yet does not provide ANY dimensions whatsoever aside from (incomplete) relative dimensions? What use is 300V if you don't know what you're applying it to? Let's see I think I'll try 3 turns on my coil and apply my 300V... ZAP! WOW it exploded must be free energy..... come on now.
@juice

The physical dimensions are based on the hexagonal spherical packing. The bubble or ball sizes and should be relative though there is still a lot of room for error...

Yes it bothers a lot of us. Thats probably why more have not jumped into this thread. There is much missing.



@Vince

I was finally to access your pics though I changed nothing here.

Spherics states:

     "Someone mentioned the Alberto Molina-Martinez device as being the same. It would appear at
      a casual glancing at the patent to be chock full to the brim with iron/steel and other magnetic
      materials
which I have said ad nausium is a no-no. "


You may be defeating your purpose with the steel frame.

Other than that, nice work!

I may be joining you & Keytone  if I can come to terms with the NMR frequency issue.


-Duff

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #419 on: June 10, 2008, 03:39:19 PM »
He didn't mention a wire length - so it was probably not that important.

Since you are trying to project something out the end of the coil, I'd try a long solenoid shape with the length longer than the inner diameter which concentrates the external magnetic field at the ends - like the little white spools that wire comes on - with like 30 to 28 awg magnet wire - several hundred feet - maybe even over a thousand - so between 700 and 1500 feet - kinda depends on what the spool will hold and what looks like it will work.

As for the NMR - isn't that like 32 MHz-ish?  Wouldn't this relate to the pulse width or repetition frequency?  Probably the width as we are impact exciting the coils.  So, pulses in the nanosecond range adjusted for best effect.

and no metal supporting structure...