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Author Topic: Complete information on working SM style device.  (Read 267204 times)

Offline duff

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #75 on: March 19, 2008, 10:08:00 AM »

@zerotensor

Spherics states:

All coils [norths] need to point to a central 3D location.

Place identical coils orientated so that the poles point to the dead center of the tetrahedral.

The top coil (coil A) will be pointing downwards and the other 3 coils (X,Y,Z) will be pointing to wards the center BUT note the three coils will not be in a horizontal plane; they will be pointing 30 degrees upwards.

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« Reply #76 on: March 19, 2008, 12:48:38 PM »
I do not understand why people want to make things so complicated.
In this thread at
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4297.msg83397.html#msg83397

I gave the simple way to do things.  For precise timing, one does not use counters and state decoders, nor microcontrollers, nor DSP.

One uses a shift register where all stages are clocked synchronously.  Nothing else.

Simple, cheap, fast.
A 74HC164 will clock at 50 MHz or higher.  If you build the shift register from discrete NXP 74AHC74 dual F/Fs, it will clock to 170 MHz or higher.  I have seen SMD gates oscillate up to 400 MHz.

Use the KISS principle to go farther, faster.
A HC or AHC IC can directly trigger a bipolar transistor avalanche generator giving HV pulses with sub-nanosecond rise times.  Only a handful of standard components are necessary.  Impossible to build it any simpler or faster, or less expensive.

Tesla said use the highest voltage swing you can, and most importantly the fastest transition times.  Follow him or stay behind.

Earl

Circuitry :
Make a decoded digital count to 3 and reset counter w/CMOS or equl.
Phase the circuit dimensionaly too.

Looking at the picture, the duty cycle of coil A is about 31% (8/26). That means you could for example use a 74HC4017 with Q9 connected to MR so that it divides by 9. Then Q1, Q4 and Q7 provide pulses for coils X, Y and Z, and for coil A you use an OR gate like the 74HC4075 (or 3 diodes and a resistor) connected also to Q1, Q4 and Q7 to get about a 33% duty cycle. Then you could use a programmable clock generator module based on CY27EE16 or ICS307 or similar that is connected to a PC to generate exact frequencies, or use some other higher frequency oscillator .

At room temperature the HC4017 might be fast enough for a divide by 9, but these are relatively high frequencies, and the OR gate also introduces a slight delay/phase shift. Dividing by 3 would allow to generate a higher output frequency but it would require to form short pulses from long pulses.

Most flexible would probably be to have a microcontroller or DSP that has several programmable counters that are directly connected to output pins. That would allow to change the duty cycle and also to compensate for hardware tolerances and especially if its connected to a PC all parameters could be recorded and reproduced exactly and also of course control them dynamically.

Maxim even has an IC (DS1094L) that can generate 3 phases but it might not be flexible enough.

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« Reply #77 on: March 19, 2008, 01:38:59 PM »
  Mother nature's tetrahedral tpu.  Maybe a little ammonia little rf lots of hydrogen.   Need to fill her up.  Just pee in the tank. ::)  All kidding aside what is the nmr of nitrogen.   Jiggle that element in the middle and break the hydrogen bonds. 

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« Reply #78 on: March 19, 2008, 02:04:33 PM »
Hi Earl,
I have looked at shift registers but thats not the end of the story.
As I understand it you can clock the input and data pins and get a series of pulses to ripple along the pins.
So the pins will look like this:11111111 after 8 pulses, when what we want is 00100000

What I think is needed is about 3 flip flops connected to some nor gates and nand gates.
So output:
001____Q1 on (!1 and !2 and 3)
010____All off
011____Q2 on (!1 and 2 and 3)
100____All off
101____Q3 on (1 and !2 and 3)
110____All off
111____Reset
 
3 F/F for a 50% duty cycle.

Or use 2 F/F for no duty cycle then drive the output to a delay line chip or like you say use an avalanche circuit (bit of coax and a high speed power mosfet).

Regards
Rob


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« Reply #79 on: March 19, 2008, 02:51:04 PM »
Rob,

a suitably connected SR will give you one single bit gliding from stage to stage.
All stages are logic zero except one.

connect
Stage 1 - avalanche generator 1 / coil 1
Stage 2 -
Stage 3 - avalanche generator 2 / coil 2
Stage 4 -
Stage 5 - avalanche generator 3 / coil 3
Stage 6 -

I haven't had time to look at coil 4, but don't see any major problems.

Then you program your synthesized clock generator to start at X and end at Y with step of Z and dwelling time of Q.

Lay down horizontally with food and drink, watch the oscilloscope and with-in a day or week depending upon your luck, you will find the desired frequency.  Start with a larger step and if not found reduce step size and sweep again.  Continue until the bank of incandescent lamps shining on your eyes wakes you up, hehehehe

We have no idea yet how wide the sweet spot is.  1 Hz? 10 Hz? 100 Hz? 1kHz?

I know someone sweeping an entirely and totally different FE configuration who told me his sweet spot was only 100 Hz wide.  No gradual rise or fall, no Gaussian curve, just wham bam:  full there or not at all.  Blink your eyes and you don't see it.

Regards, Earl
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #80 on: March 19, 2008, 03:37:32 PM »
Hi Rob/Earl,

Even simpler, a decade counter can work which counts as 10000000, 01000000, 0010000. Then the 4 one triggers the reset.

The only problem with this is the the counter doesn't count up again until the next rising clock pulse.  As we use the clock pulse as the main coil at the top, and each pulse is f/3, the result is that the clock pulse coil will turn on at the same moment as each of the other 3 coils, but remains on only half the length of time as it goes off with the falling signal, but the decade counter keeps its outputs high until the next pulse hi, ignoring the falling edge!

There is of course a small lag time between when the 4017 sees a rising edge and the time it takes its output to go hi.  It may be needed to place a buffer or perhaps two invertors in series for the main signal to add a similar delay and tighten the two up?!

Just my 2 cents...


Regards,

Dave.

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« Reply #81 on: March 19, 2008, 03:50:15 PM »
Dave,

thanks for your tip.

I prefer to stay miles away from decades counters, unless I need to count.

Notice that there are 12 internal AND gates in such a decade counter in
order to do state decoding.  You will have inherent phase noise and jitter until
the cows come home.

My advise is to stay away from decade counters and stick with shift registers.

Respectfully, Earl

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« Reply #82 on: March 19, 2008, 03:52:05 PM »
Hi Earl,

Ya, just presented as a quick and dirty option, but as you say, better to look at other options.



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« Reply #83 on: March 19, 2008, 09:41:43 PM »
Sadly to say, I have to agree with Grumpy on this one.   

I see nothing special here.  Besides there are better ways to create a rotating magnetic field and the coils need to be oriented in a different maner to extract energy from the rotation.   This seems to be nothing more than wishful thinking based on atomic symetery to imply something.

NMR is not a set frequency for one, and depends on the STATIC H field that the material is imersed in.

Second,  coils A is redundant since it pulses with each of the 3 sector coils, and all it does is deflect the flux somewhat.  You can elimnate it and tilt the angles on the 3 coils below.  Then you can say you have an inplane rotating magnetic vector, but the TPU location does nothing.  Flux needs to CUT THROUGH THE COILS AREA, and from the placement it does not do that very well.   

Lastly, this is not SM's technology, and does not approach what we see in the videos.

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« Reply #84 on: March 19, 2008, 09:55:44 PM »
     This shit is way too screwed up..  First he infers Truman drops a couple of these on Japan (no demonstration guy was an animal) then he tells you how to make one.  Just make sure you tune it out of phase.  The ether energy is going to be nice and just swirl around right where you want it.  No reflections no rf no thermal energy just a nice easy swirling of unlimited potential energy at extraordinary high frequencies.  Tune it to a frequency that iron has so that the magnetic bubbles that are necessary to compact hang around because iron remembers.  But make sure you don't create 4 spherical mag fields at the same time cause then you can't shut it off cause your fckd when you do and the same if you don't.  Why build the coils at all just buy 4 microwave ovens bypass the door switches hang one on the tree out back, 3 propped up at 30 degrees on the ground,  a coil of copper tubing hanging under the top one, triggering circuit from rackshack, and away you go.
     I'd try making one of these with speakers first and see if you can get some air spinning before replicating a potential "density" bomb.
     Tao's find pictured below incorporates design  simplicity.  Electrical vortex.  Might need a little kick coil to get the spin up. 
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« Reply #85 on: March 20, 2008, 12:34:30 AM »
The angle of the coils appears not to be critical if it was then SM tpu would have never have worked or it would have looked like the layout described herein with bits sticking out.  BUT the timing is interesting and although not unique in the idea i don't believe anyone on this forum has reproduced even slightly the correct firing sequence.

Already having discussions over the right way to do this and i agree shift registers work just fine and will clock up easy to many megs. No need for expensive synth chips.

As builders all ready have something that sort of resembles a tpu and we know from SM designs many ways to skin a cat surely its not too difficult to at least make up a timing board and give it a whirl. Im a firm believer that its only volts, frequency and timing thats required and not amps thus power requirements should minuscule. Like most similar technologies the sequencer is only the catalysts and there is no need for handling the output power at all. ..keely and Joe Newman come to mind.

One of the interesting concepts of the locked 3 to1 timing ratio means it should be much easier to find the base frequency of operation even if that is linked to the size of the tpu or is a constant value. But the rub is SM clearly heard saying turning on frequency one then two UNLESS this was to throw off potential copy cats for the same reason as using a reed switch.

I think what happens in the end after trying for so long you become so pessimistic that anything new that comes along is dismissed simply because you failed in the past.

BTW whats this on Jacks show today that some group playing with technology that is messing up the weather? very interesting if someone got a link to more information.

edit more.........our Mr spherics is still about he has taken time out from the beach bar while on vacation and edited the gifs to go with his opening posts. As he has posted the gifs and provided the angles required why argue its wrong?
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« Reply #86 on: March 20, 2008, 02:30:31 AM »
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Surely I don't need to tell you how to intercept a high speed rotating magnetic field to create current of high potential!


He does not tell since he doesn't know for sure.  This is exactly what I was talking about.  His TPU is not placed correctly in relation to the rotating magnetic field to capture the energy.  This person is just another "PC hero" who thinks he's discovered something and veils himself in mystery to impress and gain credibility.   He makes a number of erroneous statements as well, and doesn't know much about electomagnetics or atomic physics apparently.

EM   

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« Reply #87 on: March 20, 2008, 02:50:25 AM »
Hmmm....

PC hero or not the idea of 3D waves crashing reminds me of the wonderful smell of burning Bakelite. I think I'll try it. But I Iike the idea of slamming the A's together instead of the B's. Kinda like Marco's dancing magnets but with 3D safety glasses on.

I'll probably just have to open the windows again to clear the smoke. After all - serious target or not you gotta have fun with it.

>>Edit

EM said "NMR is not a set frequency for one, and depends on the STATIC H field that the material is imersed in."

I knew that but something just clicked. The above IS TRUE. So if earlier TPUs used a magnet perhaps that was the reason?
Yes, I still think the idea reed switches were used is still bunk. Sorry guys :(

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« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2008, 11:09:09 AM »
@EM,

I do 100% agree with you:

THIS IS NOT SM's TECHNOLOGY and should not be posted here.

From the inception of this thread I've seen many, many intringuing exploits: this being one of the best...but in my opinion so far from any reality. Yes it would be so easy to build it and prove something but I think that we will loose time as after carefully analyzing the proposed setup I think that nothing of extraordinary will happen neither in the interaction centre nor in capturing power.

The dfro suggestions still does apply 100% and I assure you provide for what we all are seeking: just do it.

Roberto

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« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2008, 01:34:55 PM »
@Guys

The idea here is not to use fancy electronics that will kill the flyback. Don't forget, this is simply a rotational 120 degrees so firing each coil in succession means you can send juice into the first one, open the first one and send the flyback to the second, open the the second and send the flyback to the third then open the third and send the flyback to the first, and so on thereafter. Now if the coils are designed to resonate with the flyback high voltage low amperage, there is a good chance this will work. Don't forget the flyback will be in reverse polarity.

All the toroid wants to see is a rotational field. It won't care if it is from low voltage high amperage, or high voltage low amperage, but Tesla has shown that your design will use less energy with the later form. The idea is to use the same energy twice. @AC has shown this in The Tesla Project thread with very simple control and I have tested this with a small motor going back and forth with only one current pulse.

But if you are planning to just do the same old linear pulsing high frequencies, it will be energy intensive. Learn from the ECD. It has already been tried. There are no 3D waves crashing here since the process is in succession. The packing method simply assures full coverage over the toroid.

Now if the three bottom coils are North up, and the top coil is North down and the top coil pulses at each bottom pulse, the top coil will create repulsion over the toroid and the three bottom coils will create the rotation. That is pretty close to simulation of drag conditions in any alternator/generator.

Also, and this I cannot really predict, once current starts flowing from the toroid, the toroid itself will have the resistance to the current flow (yes this time it's BEMF - hate that word) that will create another field inside the device. This interaction with the rotating field and top repulsion is not clear but it will happen.

But regardless of the coil configuration, the basic idea seems sound and could surely be applied to many generator styles.

@Roberto

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