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Author Topic: Complete information on working SM style device.  (Read 294790 times)

Offline seychelles

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #675 on: February 25, 2021, 05:20:19 AM »
WILL A PHYSICS GRADUATE PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND GIVE THEIR SINCERE OPINION?
https://imgur.com/a/qnoUR4u

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #676 on: February 25, 2021, 11:11:46 PM »
WILL A PHYSICS GRADUATE PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND GIVE THEIR SINCERE OPINION?
https://imgur.com/a/qnoUR4u

I find that image is impossible to read.


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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #677 on: February 27, 2021, 12:37:54 AM »
ok, putting the terminal block back on the 5 core setup now. Ive had the pdf for some time and the 5 core, but I wasnt sure what I was looking at or for at the time. Now that I have the thought that each primary affects only 1/5 of the secondary and those induced portions add in voltage, Im dying to go through the tests as in the speaker analogy. May need to see what goes on when only 1 primary is powered and then subsequent coils are powered, as with 1 primary there are 4 other cores affecting the sec. I may have to make a couple setups with just 2 cores, then 3 and so on to find how those other cores affect the sec. I worry that maybe with the 5 core that just powering 1 primary may lead to a very inefficient transfer that may increase in eff as I power more primaries. If so, then 5 may not be enough to break any barriers. Will see.
The most interesting thing I anticipate is the increase in sec voltage as I add in primaries vs what we get in an ordinary transformer where as we add more primary windings, the sec voltage would go lower. So power 1 primary and test the sec for voltage, and then add the other primaries 1 at a time and confirm what the pdf says of the sec voltage increase. Then power 1 primary and see what we can do with it as in a load. Like if it can drive a lite load at a particular level, and then put 2 primaries in series with the same input, where as I said before should produce the same voltage on the sec but will have reduced our input current by half, and see if it can still drive the same lite load the same or better or worse. If the same or better, this would be a good thing, because as we add primaries the input will reduce each time and see how far we can go with that. 

Excited.
Mags

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #677 on: February 27, 2021, 12:37:54 AM »
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #678 on: February 27, 2021, 09:45:05 AM »
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I find that image is impossible to read.
I can't read it either.
p.s.And if you do such thing? Just more rings.Maybe there will be something interesting?

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #679 on: February 27, 2021, 01:52:38 PM »
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #680 on: February 27, 2021, 06:11:46 PM »
Here I hope this can be read ?
From Loud Fisherman above


I had hoped to speak with member who shared this to understand what he is trying to
Convey or imply ?


Perhaps soon?
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Sorry to post here , if someone understands this perhaps a separate thread?


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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #681 on: February 27, 2021, 06:29:46 PM »
HOW DO I DELETE THIS POST PLEASE. I STUPIDLY POSTED THIS AS A FAVOUR FOR SOMEBODY.
IDIOT ME . YOU ARE RIGHT IT IS A PILE OF CAT VOMIT.

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #682 on: February 27, 2021, 10:24:49 PM »
I can't read it either.
p.s.And if you do such thing? Just more rings.Maybe there will be something interesting?
The idea is to put individual primaries on individual cores with the secondary looped through all the primary cores, so that each primary only induces its own portion of the secondary so that each individual portion of the secondary induced adds up in voltage total on the secondary.
Have an air conditioning issue at my home so dont know if I can get to this today. if not then tomorrow
Mags

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #683 on: March 02, 2021, 03:51:34 PM »
Hey Mags, I didn't get around to making my transformer yet, either, but I found something else that I've never seen before. I think it's related to the TPU because I think SM's TPU works the same way as Daniel Cook's battery. I won't get into why, but I think they both use coils with very high parasitic capacitance.

Anyway, I found this patent by J L Leconte who was a prestigious scientist in his time, but not due to electromagnetics. He claims it acts as a transformer, or as a means of taking off branch circuits from a main circuit. Mysteriously, he claims it operates on currents produced by a "dynamo electric machine", which at that time was known to have a commutator and produce DC. He also claims that it produces current "without impairment by waste to the direct current of the generating machine".

So, in my opinion, it's unique because it looks like a transformer but with the intention of drastically increasing the capacitance. Anyway, I bought a large 80 mfd motor run capacitor yesterday, so sometime I'm going to be cutting it open and wiring it up to see what it does.

0 pdf is leconte's patent
01 is cook's patent if anyone needs it

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #684 on: March 03, 2021, 12:15:39 AM »
Running the test for voltage on secondary(middle winding through all cores) tonight. The terminal strip, the first 2 to the far left are the secondary. The secondary was wound bifilar but here I just put them in parallel. Near .5ohm. The primaries are marked as to winding polarity for each. If I remember correctly all windings were to be 1 ohm, and the 2 bifi sec in parallel measured .5ohm. The primaries measured 1ohm to .9ohm, and was a bit flustered when I measured the 5 primaries in series as it was about 3.5ohm, shoulda been 5 to 4.5ohm.   But I got out the old wavetek meter, .01ohm resolution and the primaries were closer to .6 to .7ohm.  Anyway, they are all very close.

So first to drive 1 primary and then 2, then 3, etc.  Im driving them with an audio amp and sig gen. So I put the resistor inline. Amp can take 4ohm.  So as I put the primaries in series, I will adjust the input so all primaries have the same voltage as a single primary in reference to measuring the secondary voltage out. Then Ill do simple load tests.
Mags

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #685 on: March 03, 2021, 01:33:39 AM »
Guess I will have to get smaller wire. Mine are .1 ohm :o  No wonder I am blowing up things ;D
I have a half roll of #20 but still take 98feet of wire. too much for the torrid I have. Guess I will have to choose a freq that will make Xl add the extra


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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #686 on: March 03, 2021, 01:56:20 AM »
Hey Thae
I used 30awg.   Got the cores from radioshack when they were open. They were sold as inductors and I cut the wire off. But any cores should do.  Just checked, online radioshack is still up but they dont have these inductors/chokes any longer.

I have 8 more of the same I used on the 5 core and 12 smaller ones. But I would be looking at even numbers of what is a doubling from 1. If I had known now what I believe will happen, the 5 should have been 4 or 8.  But still, if my input to 1 primary is say 4vac on the secondary, im anticipating 20vac with all 5 primaries in series. Dont have 16 of either cores. But its something to go with. Threading the small cores while they are fixed in place is not as easy as just winding a single core. I wound the primaries then fixed the cores onto the bed panel. The thin wire made things a bit easier.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #687 on: March 03, 2021, 01:11:50 PM »
I have a total of 8 (1 is errant some where) of T157 -60 cores. Unknown if they are iron powder or ferrite.


Still, enough to do a 3 and 6 core. 10% duty cycle should spare the transistors for a while.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #688 on: March 04, 2021, 12:06:35 AM »
Found more info regarding plural primaries in this Korean patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/KR20080085122A/en

Image is from the patent. The patent uses a pipe as secondary to heat conductive fluid, but states a plurality of primaries to increase the pipe emf without increasing the secondary turns. Also confirms that output emf is turns ratio multiplied by number of primaries (2nd image, 4 is number of primaries)

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #689 on: March 04, 2021, 12:52:17 AM »
I have a total of 8 (1 is errant some where) of T157 -60 cores. Unknown if they are iron powder or ferrite.


Still, enough to do a 3 and 6 core. 10% duty cycle should spare the transistors for a while.
Hey Thae
Yeah, give it a shot. I dont think that number of turns or the core sizes matter in trying to get the results Im thinking of. Freq may need to be fiddled with depending on the inductive components. I ran this thing back when I made it with a class A soundstream car amplifier and what I was looking for was resonant output from the bifi secondary. It lit a 12 car bulb very bright at the right freq. Was surprised the 30awg was able to handle it. But the amp choked. Still have to repair that thing. ;D Have a nice collection of the amps from back when soundstream was the leader in car audio.
Didnt have time to do much more yesterday. Time flies when you want to do things you want to do. So Im on the bench in a bit here. Should have some numbers soon.
Mags



 

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