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giantkiller

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #525 on: September 17, 2008, 06:35:46 PM »
Hubbard, Searl, Coler coils are coil-centric. That is they have a copper receiver in the center. The center & perimeter coils all stand up. This vertical model cause the action on the center.

Tesla 464666(below), Marco avatar(below), T.T.Brown are horizontal models. The coils lay down. The collector/copper receiver attaches at the perimeter. The wiping or electron precession happens on the periphery. There is concentrated flux at the intersection of the coil pole and the moment of copper.
Also in the avartar there is a stick figure standing on a disk and he is holding the planet up. Kind of like Leedskalnin. He levitates and levitates a load.

The Hamel is horizontal. The magnetic pole pushes against the steel drum encasement. The magents spin is on a sine altered plane. There are 3 of these. The sine wave peaks randomly encroach upon adjacent sine planes giving a compression and decompression. He did a great job here. At high speed this device turns into a magnetic bubble. Now it is possible to see how this thing took off vertically and was never seen again. And it shut down the grid for 40 square miles. Not too difficult to understand.

http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/00464666.pdf I know it looks different and is documented different. But we know now that he puts things inside of things.
Put one or two pancake coils on the axis of this for the collector. There are even holes in the center should you decide to go mechanical at this stage. ???

The cyclical frequency has to match some precession harmonic.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #526 on: September 18, 2008, 02:24:48 AM »
Hey Poynt99,

I didn't know you had updated your document:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5486.msg126335.html#msg126335

Very nice compilation and deductions.  You view if things is not so different from my own.

So, you gonna build it?  "Substantial voltage and current" just waiting to be had.  Come on - winter is coming - you can run a heater off this thing - or Christmas lights for the entire house - chill your beer for free.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #527 on: September 18, 2008, 03:53:20 AM »
     @gk

   That patent is for a single phase induction motor.  Which is interesting in that it was found later that the auxillary winding could be disconnected at 3/4 full load rpm and the motor still able to run with just the main winding energised.  The stator magnetic field shifting supported by the rotating armature transformer currents.   I read a book on this subject and at the conclusion the author admitted that the magnetic circuit in this type single phase induction motor was still not fully understood.  This was after 40 or 50 pages of mathmatical formulaes chord and vector reconstructions etc.  I wasn't happy.  IMO a leg got dropped on a 3phase motor and it kept spinning and the manufacturers went on from there. 

    @all

    I still fail to conceive how a rotating magnetic field is going to be observed electrically unless there is some poles set up in the flux intensity.  A motor yes a torroidal transformer?

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #528 on: September 18, 2008, 06:11:08 AM »
If you put a battery across the collector toroid, where is the magnetic field?

We are doing that in reverse - applying the magnetic field to the coil and taking out electricity.

Of course the fact that you can put two copper rods in the field and get the goods puts a twist on the simple explanation.

In brief, because a conductor is already has excess charge, an aether field moving across it will impart a force to this charge - ta-da

Coils are wound - will post a pic when I have more time.


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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #529 on: September 18, 2008, 01:02:57 PM »
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #530 on: September 19, 2008, 02:57:11 PM »
This avatar looks possibly like the stator and rotor assembly of a ceiling fan motor, one of the more efficient 18 pole type. Looks like Marco has the stator, and rotor locked together with tie wraps. Notice the bolt pattern for the blades at the center of the rotor assembly.

You need lots of poles when the desired rotation speed is low, unless the motor is operated in slip, which is less efficient. This is why the better (more efficient) fans have a large diameter hub.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #531 on: September 19, 2008, 04:34:26 PM »
Well i pulled that out of an old 5'25 floppy disk drive spindle motor.
You know these big floppy's you could bend.
These kind of motors operate with Hall sensors and a 2 or 3 phase controller.
The clock of this one runs at 650Khz.
But i have build better things to test what happens at what speed.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #532 on: September 19, 2008, 05:37:31 PM »
The red coils are bifilar. The red clip represents the inner wind while the white clip is hooked to the outer windings matching up against the white cable ties. The yellow clip is common. The green collector is where the precession happens. Could be iron wire.

In the bifilars we have a field within a field. Pulsed at the right speed the impedance is the delay between the 2 coils.
This still represents a high speed rotating magnetic field. The red statements are the clue. Not looking in a standard way.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #533 on: September 19, 2008, 10:26:43 PM »
Thanks for clarifying that, Marco. I should have noticed it is a little too small for a fan motor, compared to the clipleads. Were you able to get the magnetic field to rotate with this configuration?


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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #534 on: September 19, 2008, 11:18:15 PM »
No it was just switching coils.
Rotating magnetic fields do not exist.
Magnetic fields are stationary in space.
We can only create the apperance of a rotating field by switching coils or by moving the object that causes this effect.

Marco.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #535 on: September 20, 2008, 12:00:13 AM »
     @Marco

         I beleive it is the alignment of the mass radiated electromagnetic field  energy of the copper that yields any seeming overunity effects.  The copper atoms randomized broadcast is altered by the impulse energy traveling through the copper mass.  The ambient dielectric and magnetic vectors soon return this copper mass broadcast to a confused state.  Therefore it is necessary to create a receiver that stores the radiant energy in a resonant form of some type or control the amount of external field energy exposure.     In Spherics design I see none of this.
Just 4 pulsed bifilar solenoid coils pointing at each other.  The copper re stored in an air armature.  This would be a torsion field that goes 360.  Perhaps each 1/2 revolution of which can be recaptured as the field unwinds?

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #536 on: September 20, 2008, 10:02:32 AM »
     @Marco

         I beleive it is the alignment of the mass radiated electromagnetic field  energy of the copper that yields any seeming overunity effects.  The copper atoms randomized broadcast is altered by the impulse energy traveling through the copper mass.  The ambient dielectric and magnetic vectors soon return this copper mass broadcast to a confused state. 


Okay so this i can follow.
In simple terms it would say pulse copper mass with fast high voltage spikes to generate the RE shockwave and add in a delay element to intensify this effect.


 Therefore it is necessary to create a receiver that stores the radiant energy in a resonant form of some type or control the amount of external field energy exposure.     In Spherics design I see none of this.
Just 4 pulsed bifilar solenoid coils pointing at each other.  The copper re stored in an air armature.  This would be a torsion field that goes 360.  Perhaps each 1/2 revolution of which can be recaptured as the field unwinds?


This i cannot follow exactly..
What do you mean by storing RE in a resonant form?
In simple terms, the RE just charges up the wires it hits.
Yes in Spherics design this happens in free space and this is important relating to Stevens heating problem.
In Stevens design the field was going through all the metal which resulted in huge eddy currents heating up the unit to levels of self destruction.
Anything you put into the RE zone will interact with it and so this is where you want your output coil only.

So i'm not sure what you mean by storing the RE.
This is simply done in a capacitor between the output coil and a reference terminal.

Marco.



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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #537 on: September 20, 2008, 04:37:14 PM »
         @Marco

   
     I believe that the tpu pulls re from the copper collector winding.  The external circuit then reacts by filling this void.  Your explanation of the heating problem makes sense.  The energy flows into through and out of the tpu with  the currents creating  induction heating at the external field to control winding interface.  Now if these eddy currents were put to work somehow like spinning a ring armature the system would be more efficient.  I believe Tesla in creating his coil capacitor uses the current to create a dynamic capacitor whose charging is a byproduct of the current.   In the tpu this would require alot of engineering and additional coils.   Hmmmmm

     Below I have included a current transformer used for metering feeders to commerical buildings.  Tpu seems to just be the reverse of this action.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2008, 05:04:10 PM by sparks »

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #538 on: September 20, 2008, 05:22:49 PM »
I believe Tesla in creating his coil capacitor uses the current to create a dynamic capacitor whose charging is a byproduct of the current.   In the tpu this would require alot of engineering and additional coils.   Hmmmmm

Yes. This so true. I keep invisioning the dynamics of the tpu and the NT512340. Reverse engineering the later is almost nil because it is in plain sight. One just has to map the forces and vectors. These same elements could be manipulated in other configurations but any misalignments would show up as diminishing returns or extra undesirables like heat or runaway, the worst.

This is where the real adventure lies.

--giantkiller. You are in a maze of twisty, turny, little passages with exits in all directions.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #539 on: September 20, 2008, 05:46:19 PM »
@sparks

Here is something I have been mulling over as an idea for quit some time that may touch upon what you are saying.

Basically you have three coils.

First a coil (blue) is wound from top to bottom with one insulated magnet wire as two spheres. Since the coil is wound continuous, the top sphere would be north and the bottom south, or vise versa.

Over the blue sphere your wind a primary (red) coil of not too many winds. Again since the primary is one wire going over both spheres, the top would be north and the bottom south, again or vise versa.

Over this you put a wrap about 1/2" thickness of a non magnetic material (green) that is hard enough to wind a  last coil over.

Then you wind the final coil (orange) over the material in the same manner as the blue coil and again you will have a north polarity on top and south on the bottom or vise versa.

If both blue and orange coils are slightly energized, they should produce an outer and inner north polarity on the top and the same south polarity on the bottom. Then when you give a capacitor discharge to the primary this should shoot out RE into the space between both coil sections.

Now here is the question.

If the RE can be ejected from the primary with north polarity particles in the top portion and south polarity particles in the bottom section, then what will happen. These particles will be stuck between two coils of the same polarity as the RE and hopefully, because the coils will cause a repelling action on the same polarity particles, the RE will spin around and around on its own endlessly as long as the blue and orange fields are maintained.

As this spin occurs, this will create movement over the coils and should produce an electrical output from the blue and orange coils. Like two living poles of a battery. So you will have a self energized loop with output.

Maybe the spin will not be endless but if the coiling can perpetuate this action for a few seconds longer then the primary discharge, then a well timed capacitor discharge action on the primary will create more spin inside the coils hence energy output then the actual energy consumed.

Does this make sense?