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Author Topic: Complete information on working SM style device.  (Read 296883 times)

Offline Gustav22

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #375 on: April 21, 2008, 05:30:00 AM »
Hi Rob,
thanks for your reply.
@Gustav,
300V, don't be so silly. Start off at 1V and work your way up.......
Sure, you are right.
But I assume my logic circuit (see my previous post) to get the pulse sequence spherics recommended is ok !?

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #376 on: April 21, 2008, 09:13:02 AM »
Thanks for your comments Loner,
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I'll post any results on the "Results" thread.  Starting the test NOW!!!!
I hope you will be able to measure a signal on the collector-toroid.
Any old signal there would be great. Good luck.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #377 on: May 14, 2008, 06:03:16 AM »
Hello all,
               This is my first post so i thought i'd keep this thread going since it sparked my interest in the tpu.  i was hoping to get some feedback on this prototype i came up with, I'm winding the coils with kynar wire about 750 turns each and was thinking to use sandwich layers of cpacpacpacpa (copper,plexi,aluminum) as the collector coil as i heard somewhere that when exposed to a mag field a high voltage is exhibited across plates. Any feedback, criticism is appreciated  :)

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #377 on: May 14, 2008, 06:03:16 AM »
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #378 on: May 14, 2008, 06:16:38 AM »
Hello all,
               This is my first post so i thought i'd keep this thread going since it sparked my interest in the tpu.  i was hoping to get some feedback on this prototype i came up with, I'm winding the coils with kynar wire about 750 turns each and was thinking to use sandwich layers of cpacpacpacpa (copper,plexi,aluminum) as the collector coil as i heard somewhere that when exposed to a mag field a high voltage is exhibited across plates. Any feedback, criticism is appreciated  :)

the field must cross the collector.   Stick with toroidal collector like Spherics showed for now.  He stated that two coppers bars would also indicate the effect.

Great-lookin build.  Need to catch up...


P.S.  - nice sink

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #379 on: May 14, 2008, 06:20:08 AM »
replace the metal components with nylon or delrin equivalents.

McMaster.com has them - fast shpping.

Alternate is to hot-glue with plastic - get 'er dun!

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
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Offline sparks

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #380 on: May 14, 2008, 06:23:37 AM »
  @Grumpy

    Do you think that the interior of the coils need to be manipulated so the kick doesn't end up getting absorbed there. 

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #381 on: May 14, 2008, 06:29:36 AM »
  @Grumpy

    Do you think that the interior of the coils need to be manipulated so the kick doesn't end up getting absorbed there. 

No.  Keep the core "air"  - low loss plastic if you want - PVC is marginal - Teflon is great - rolled poly sheet is quick and easy.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #381 on: May 14, 2008, 06:29:36 AM »
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #382 on: May 14, 2008, 06:31:57 AM »
Tip from Eric Dollard:

"matter" will distort the field.  This includes insulators.  He felt that the rod-type supports were best - better than solid plastic which is worst.

Just get a kick at this point though

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #383 on: May 14, 2008, 07:08:04 AM »
replace the metal components with nylon or delrin equivalents.

McMaster.com has them - fast shpping.

Alternate is to hot-glue with plastic - get 'er dun!

Thanks for that Grumpy i thought of using nylon, as of now , they are nonferrous (brass)..has anyone had progress with a circuit ., i'm leaning towards Earls rat race controller, since i have been offline for awhile , have there been any developments in circuitry? oh and a big thanks to overunity for making the net what it was meant for, liberation through bringing ideas together  ;)

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #383 on: May 14, 2008, 07:08:04 AM »
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #384 on: May 14, 2008, 09:39:50 AM »
arggg... my tounge is getting hurt from biting it so hard. Enough!

Spherics description has some remarkable consistencies... but lets get the things I dont agree with out of the way to start with... There is one slip up (the 30 deg angle) that I think is an honest mistake and one thing I disagree with (the iorn related NMR and special topology).

I cant believe that no one here has noticed the *exact* match between the kick coil description and the coil and drive described in the Italian Energia patent. Unless one is copying the other this provides mutual support for this mechanism.

The description of the inital discovery and development is highly plausable and consistent. SM was into audio development -- to gain lower impedance in voice coils bifilar winding is a good way to go. It is also plausable to apply slightly delayed signals to the windings (short enough delay not to affect the audio response) in an attempt to further reduce the impedance. Acording to Spherics this led SM to notice the kick effect -- exactly as the Energia patent also documents.

As for the final evolved configuration that Spherics starts with. This reduces to a non-radiating antenna configuration with fleid rotation. I doub't Spherics or co-workers new this. Non-raditaing configurations are a very recent discovery and very little known. A consequence of non-radiation at resonance is that the antenna will actually trap energy at that frequency. These configurations will deliver energy into heating any nearby material that unbalances the configuration. When balanced they are truly non radiating at the resonant frequency. In the far field the fourier energy at the resonant frequency falls to zero.

@keytone
Any unbalancing of a non-radiating antenna configuration will destroy it's effect -- this includes magnetic materials *and* dielectrics anywhere close to it.  What support materials you do use should be radially symetric about the vertical axis.

@all
here is a controller circuit I have designed and tested -- it works perfectly in practice -- This will all be documented and released shortly along with an advanced half bridge mosfet switch design that will let people switch reactive loads hard (under 10ns) from 0 - 500V or more at up to 5MHz. Again this has been designed and tested already - it's just waiting for prototype boards and broader testing before fully documenting and general release.

This control circuit will generate relative pulse durations or user selectable fixed pulse widths. It's good to about 40MHz using 74F seris logic (you need 74AHCT for the 123 as it's not availble in the 74F part).

Note: with the drive waveform Spherics suggests all four coils will resonate at the *same* frequency -- at resonance. This results in a virtual dipole with a rotating field. Around this - exactly half way up, is a toroidal coil. This dipole and toroid are the non-radiating antenna configuration.

 
« Last Edit: May 14, 2008, 02:29:14 PM by MarkSnoswell »

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #385 on: May 14, 2008, 01:43:45 PM »
@Mark

You do realize with the non-radiating dipole you will be dealing with inverse cube vs. inverse square?
Also 'effective' dimensions vs. actual dimensions?

In Spheric's coil design I see two angles of simultaneous rotation (the axis of each of two coils ON at the same time). What do you propose is being rotated? Surely the ambient charge but would there be more?

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #386 on: May 14, 2008, 03:23:48 PM »
In Spheric's coil design I see two angles of simultaneous rotation (the axis of each of two coils ON at the same time). What do you propose is being rotated? Surely the ambient charge but would there be more?

a little area of space that has a varying density and hence varying rate of entropy than the surrounding space..yada yada

Let's see, looking from the top, as the coils are pulsed:

 
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o     O


Looking at the side:

o  .  O


Looks like you might have a difference in density in two directions - formed into a loop - how quaint...like a corkscrew around the toroidal ring's air core just like the wire or maybe like a varying magnetic field in the air core space - take you pick.

(above based on work of Wilbert Smith)

At this point, one might wonder what really causes "induction" since "time" is so inexorably attached to this effect.


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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #387 on: May 14, 2008, 03:38:41 PM »
@MarkSnoswell

My main problem with the @sperics design is that basic problem of energy expended versus energy captured by the toroid. The energy required to generate the fields via coils, in order for them to push their fields out far enough to cover the toroid, will always be greater then the energy the toroid will be able to absorb. So for this to work, you will require a novel energy recovery system to capture the flyback form the coils and re-cycle it back into the system and/or a new toroid design that exhibits exeptional field capture.

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« Reply #388 on: May 14, 2008, 05:19:52 PM »
@MarkSnoswell

My main problem with the @sperics design is that basic problem of energy expended versus energy captured by the toroid. The energy required to generate the fields via coils, in order for them to push their fields out far enough to cover the toroid, will always be greater then the energy the toroid will be able to absorb. So for this to work, you will require a novel energy recovery system to capture the flyback form the coils and re-cycle it back into the system and/or a new toroid design that exhibits exeptional field capture.

Why do you think this is the case?  The "collector" in spherics 4-coil arrangement is a first order toroid.  It's tempic field is perpendicular to the toroidal ring shape that it occupies and hence in all directions inward/outward from the surface.  I would think it would be an excellent candidate for induction via a rotating tempic field.  Solenoid, on the other hand, has the wrong orientation and would not recieve the coils influence, so to speak, and the rotation would not cross the wires, but would move along them - just ain't what you need - it has to move across the wires.

Going further along these lines, a solenoid produces a tempic field perpendicular to it's surface as well.  So, this would be inward/outward from the side as well as the ends, the field at the ends may extend a greater distance than the field at the sides, as I believe it is concentrated there.

Spherics also stated that two copper rods would also indicate a current -

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The diameter of the toroid hole should be the same as the diameter of the toroid windings for optimum results but quite frankly you could stick two solid 1 cm diameter 3/4 circle copper bars into the field and measure substantial voltage and current.

I took this to mean that these two copper rods, bent into a 3/4 (270 degree) circle are oriented verticle or horizontal, but not centered - hence the voltage and current would vary depending on the angle and position in relation to the field.  Again, the tempic field has to move across the conductor and interact with the conductor's own fields.  How does the current come from an open wire?  Ancient Chinese secret - it is already in the conductor - you just make it move.

Enough time wasted trying to explain something that I only vaguely understand, time to build the thing - got to catch up with Ketone - who else is game?

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« Reply #389 on: May 14, 2008, 07:52:27 PM »
@Grumpy

There is nothing vaguely about this to understand. You need energy to produce a field. If you know the type of coils you want to wind, this should give you the energy you will require to generate a field. You can also measure in advance the distance this field has to permeate to cover the toroid. Add this to the energy expended from the top coil at each bottom coil iteration. This is the energy you will spend. Then see if your toroid can absorb at least that much energy. I am not saying it is impossible, far from it. Now if the toroid is simply a one layer 360 degree tight wound configuration, I would say forget it and do not waste your time. You will need a toroid that extends as a three dimensional object with maximum depth to capatilize on the fact that the rotating field is also in three dimensions.

What I mean is if your toroid core (or air core) was let's say 1/2" in diameter. You start your winds at let's say 1/4" apart as a first layer. You then put a 1/8"-1/4" padding over this layer then continue to wind a new layer again at 1/4" apart per turn, then add another layer of padding, then do another layer of turns, etc.  You do this until you are satisfied of the overall toroid thickness. This will produce a 3 dimensional toroidal component through which the rotating field can move without risking what I would imagine will be the main issue, and that is field deflection (which is not what you want). Think of it like a toroidal skewer. When you use a skewer to mix cooking ingredients, your need minimal force to produce maximum mix.

The neat thing is you can always increase the layers and re-test to see the difference of production per added layer.

Also, don't forget that with such a design, you are still losing at least 1/2 the field going in the other directions. That's always the bummer. Unless you add four smaller toroids on the other side of each coil or if there was any novel way of reflecting the lost field back towards the toroids. lol

 

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