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Author Topic: Complete information on working SM style device.  (Read 294596 times)

Offline MarkSnoswell

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #315 on: March 30, 2008, 10:24:04 AM »
for everyones info:

You can not fill 3D space with regular tetrahedra. For those interested tetrahedra can be stacked linearly and they for a tetrahelix.  google tetrahelix for more information.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2008, 03:13:31 PM by MarkSnoswell »

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #316 on: March 30, 2008, 10:31:07 AM »
I have a piezo delay line from an old color TV--the delay is 63 microseconds.  I might want to try that instead of the iron coil...
This is a much more realistical thing. Piezo delay should be a broad-band delayer for the most part. Iron wire just delays the highest frequencies only (but for 3.5MHz should work, of course), maybe working as an all-pass filter.

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« Reply #317 on: March 30, 2008, 10:39:41 AM »
konduct:  I've got a juno 106 synth but it don't go higher than about 22khz...how are you planning on doing the frequency doubling?   

Thanks
If that helps, you may try using a signal multiplier chip (valves can be used for that, but that's a complex biz). You may shift the 22kHz signal to any frequency by multiplying it by the carrier frequency sinusoid (which may be even 1MHz sinewave) - well, some "dirt" will be left as negative frequencies in the original waveform signal will be shifted as well.

Actually, it can be a nice approach overall since you can use PC soundcard to define waveforms and explore different waveforms in an automatic way. Well, if the multiplier is precise you may even left your new square wave generator alone. (on the other hand, no, it's not useful due to negative frequencies shift).

If you can find a "complex" number multiplier chip (which should take 4 inputs and produce 2 outputs) you can shift any waveform precisely. You then just need to create a waveform in quadrature (it's pretty easy to do in a computer by using a linear-phase Hilbert transformer). Other 2 inputs of the chip should carry sine and cosine waves of the required shift frequency.

I think such "complex" multiplier can be created out of 2 normal multipliers if you care about 1 output only, or 4 multipliers if you need all 2 outputs.

http://www.directindustry.com/prod/analog-devices/signal-mixer-multiplier-22009-194871.html if that helps. AD8343 sounds like a good variant as its inputs can go from DC: depending on the  performance of the chip (it's not given on the page in enough detail) and your circuitry you can have gigahertz square or sawtooth (or any other form) waves.

For some really versatile base signal generation you could tie some multi-channel PC sound card with ASIO drivers that is able to run at 192kHz samplerate. For example, if you get a 8 input/8 output card you can produce at least 2 complex signals (on 4 outputs) + have 4 outputs for various aux signalling (just make sure sound card's inputs and outputs are not high-passed: high-quality audio cards do not use DC filters because of phase-linearity considerations). 8 inputs can be used for various low-frequency measurements (you may tie another multiplier with a sinewave oscillator to move any gigahertz oscillations to the low-freq range, so this whole approach is very scalable and tunable if you can get the multipliers and oscillators to work).

You may then build any signal I/O environment you like with such pro audio software like SynthEdit or SynthMaker http://synthmaker.co.uk/ well, at least you'll be able to search for resonances and create required waveforms quickly. For some CVS spreadsheet'ing it's not suitable - on the other hand you can create your own C modules that may help collect required statistics easily. Just to let you know, modern audio cards have extremely low harmonic and IM distortions, and high SNR: 100 dB is a common number, much better than what valves can have.

(example schematic below, 'complex quadrature' is a base waveform signal with its quadrature counterpart synthesized by software means - complex quadrature signal does not have negative frequencies, 'freq voltage' is a DC voltage used to define oscillator frequency)

NOTE

Hrm... all that work just to realise that multiplication shifts frequencies. So, if you have F1, F2, F3 in the signal, multiplication by FF will yield F1+FF, F2+FF and F3+FF frequencies. This won't maintain signal's shape as harmonic relationships will not be maintained. Sorry for a misleading post. :) On the other hand, sound card can be used for quick prototyping and various measurements.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2008, 03:59:51 PM by aleks »

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
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« Reply #318 on: March 30, 2008, 04:11:49 PM »
So far the frequency numbers that keep coming up from the users here are sub-harmonics of the NMR of iron.

egs. 3.5 MHz, 35 kHz, etc.

spherics clearly states "The frequency should be a harmonic of the NMR of iron".

@spherics, this needs clarification please.

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« Reply #319 on: March 30, 2008, 04:25:53 PM »

Hrm... all that work just to realise that multiplication shifts frequencies. So, if you have F1, F2, F3 in the signal, multiplication by FF will yield F1+FF, F2+FF and F3+FF frequencies. This won't maintain signal's shape as harmonic relationships will not be maintained. Sorry for a misleading post. Smiley On the other hand, sound card can be used for quick prototyping and various measurements.


It could if you wanted it to but the mix can be 100% dry (orig signal) or wet(higher signal).  It splits it into two separate signals. Again...overcomplicating things...if the audio gear had all this noise or wasn't suitable for something like this, it probably wouldn't sound good coming out of the speakers either. My rig sounds nice. The most distortion I may get would probably come from the amplifier.  But I think that the ability to adjust things on the fly or even better, I can automate changes of any of the parameters...I can set up sweeps...cool down intervals...anything. I really think this is going to be like taking a Ferrarri to a gokart track!

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #320 on: March 30, 2008, 04:40:45 PM »
(Snip)
Coils XYZ are pulsed at frequency F1

F1 is either the NMR frequency of FE or that frequency Divided by 3

with a phase of 120 degrees between each coil. 
Coil A is fed a frequency of 3 x F1

Coil A is either fed the NMR frequency of FE or that frequency multiplied by 3

and has a phase of 0 with respect to the other coils.

In other words:
When air-core coil X pulses so does air-core coil A.
When air-core coil Y pulses so does air-core coil A.
When air-core coil Z pulses so does air-core  coil A.

The frequency should be a harmonic of the NMR of iron. Do not use iron anywhere in your device this will only cause huge eddy current problems. Iron is magnetic because of the geometry and spacing of its atoms (stationary waves remember) which interact with the ether flow in a resonant fashion despite what you may already believe! The NMR is directly linked to this geometric spacing and hence to the resonant frequency of the ether. If you pulse iron wire at iron's NMR you'll get a minor resonance effect even if the coil is not tuned to that frequency. Steven Mark was utilising this effect along with the timing delay action of iron wire to generate a rotating magnetic field of the correct frequency. The requirement for coil A to pulse in time with the other coils was not understood by SM who unwittingly incorporated its effect via interaction of several coils. A testament of observation over emperical understanding!

To complete the picture the intercept coil can be an air-core toroidal coil placed in a horizontal plane halfway between the top coil and the bottom three coils sized so that the outside of the toroid would touch, but not overlap, the imaginary planes of the tetrahedral pyramid sides. The diameter of the toroid hole should be the same as the diameter of the toroid windings for optimum results but quite frankly you could stick two solid 1 cm diameter 3/4 circle copper bars into the field and measure substantial voltage and current.

I trust you'll appreciate the risk you are now all taking. Too many of you are tempting fate by feeding the output back into the input. Consider 1000 fold output power over input. Oh yes, these are the levels you are potentially working with. 100Watt goes to 100KW. With no feedback this is a major copper vaporising experience. With feedback your momentary 100KW goes to a potential 100MW but more realistically 1MW or less as wires vaporise. How on earth do you think you and your house will survive such an event ?????????????????

I've shown enough for you to now understand with what you are playing and a schematic outline of a relatively safe design that will get you the results that you desire.

I've taken the liberty of posting whilst on vacation. Good luck.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #321 on: March 30, 2008, 05:04:46 PM »
A couple of things that everyone should know.

SM stated, in his email response to the Bob Boyce .PDF, that it took them years to understand that they could not understand WHY it worked!  So once again, Spherics is correct.

SM stated, "That it would take a hundred years before anyone found the correct frequency."  And it would have had not Spherics given it to us.

Some of you fail to realize the momentous occasion this is.  I am stunned.  Being a skeptic is fine, but open your mind.  Let's build both Spherics version 2008 TPU and Spherics explanation for the Early TPU. 

Over the many months, some have made preconception of how the TPU works, and this, for you does not fit.  I am sorry.  Our versions were always missing the two most important factors, and I have shouted it from the rooftops:  The CORRECT frequency(s) and the RMF or rotating magnetic field. 

Many of us wanted the solution to be something that fit into our preconseption.  Spherics has seemingly improved on the original design and took time to understand "WHY" it works, so that such said improvement could be made. 

Secret Frequency:  NMR of FE and its harmonics

SM's Early TPU:
A minimal delay in a split signal, resulting in a huge magnetic field.  I would also pulse this with a "harmonic" of the NMR of FE.  I can picture in my mind why the NMR of FE would work, but I can not yet put it into understandable words.

IMHO:  This is the real deal and the long sought after answer.

Did SM's later TPU's wire up different?  I am sure.  They learned to use the static magnetic dc bias on the control wires (Kick coils) and more collectors, etc.

Lastly, Spherics choice of "Spherics" for a user name ought to tell you something, if nothing else.  SM's company name, that we did not know until the DAY AFTER Spherics first post.  Come on guys, let's finally make something that works. 

Cheers all,

Bruce

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« Reply #322 on: March 30, 2008, 06:10:59 PM »
Just a random thought guys... Iron is the most stable element, higher elements are trying to decay to become iron and lighter elements try to become iron from the other end of the scale.  Iron sits in the middle and all atoms desire to be iron...

Why iron is the most stable?  It has the best interaction with the Aether?  Surely no co-incidence...


D.

PS. Bruce, how many stars do you want next to your name?!

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #323 on: March 30, 2008, 06:12:55 PM »
Whoops...  Double post...

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #324 on: March 30, 2008, 06:28:30 PM »
Just a random thought guys... Iron is the most stable element, higher elements are trying to decay to become iron and lighter elements try to become iron from the other end of the scale.  Iron sits in the middle and all atoms desire to be iron...

Why iron is the most stable?  It has the best interaction with the Aether?  Surely no co-incidence...


D.

PS. Bruce, how many stars do you want next to your name?!
Because Earth's core is pure iron  - I've read that somewhere. Probably all we are getting is the energy from Earth's massive iron core. I mean, such massive amount of iron creates an "iron'ish" potential (and resonant) field making everything strive to become iron (since it's the lowest potential state - it's always easier to resonate together than to struggle with resonance). Well, if this fact can be used to "steal" resonant energy, that's to the better.

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« Reply #325 on: March 30, 2008, 08:20:56 PM »
    The Earth as well as the Sun must just be inertial fields capturing potential energy in their fields from the aetheric black energy waves.  Little bubbles in a sea of potential energy going every which way.  This raises the possiblity of there being all sorts of dark matter that is capturing the aetheric energy.  Dark suns and planets and maybe dark beings of intelligence.  They just don't work the aether the same way our sun does.
    The matter at hand about the NMR of iron is a tricky one.  If iron changes it's atomic structure in response to a magnetic field, would it not be resonant at all frequencys that produce a magnetic field.  Perhaps we should be looking for the time it takes for iron to respond to Earths magnetic flux density.  If the Earth's flux changes then this would be a result of Earth's response to aetheric wave inertia.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #326 on: March 30, 2008, 08:27:02 PM »
I have a piezo delay line from an old color TV--the delay is 63 microseconds.  I might want to try that instead of the iron coil...
This is a much more realistical thing. Piezo delay should be a broad-band delayer for the most part. Iron wire just delays the highest frequencies only (but for 3.5MHz should work, of course), maybe working as an all-pass filter.

@ aleks
You are somewhat nullifying what you have said a couple of pages back.
There is no problem to measure and/or use a delay using a time period. However, when talking about emf speed propagation, the delay measured in time periods with little coils hardly has any meaning. In this aleks you were correct (see your own answer). Don?t just think in pure electronics terms.
A simple point is missed. It is not a delay measured in mks, ms or any other time period. I guess it was just an expression for better understanding from shpeics. If you can measure a delay, it is probably already too late. We are talking about a delay measured in ?. Take a guess.

One rides his bicycle behind another. Both perform the same amount of work, the same weight per unit of distance per unit of time. However, the second one needs significantly less energy spent for it. At electrons or emf propagation speed level, the thing might be much more interesting than just a simple bicycle example.

Kames.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #327 on: March 30, 2008, 08:46:00 PM »
I have a piezo delay line from an old color TV--the delay is 63 microseconds.  I might want to try that instead of the iron coil...
This is a much more realistical thing. Piezo delay should be a broad-band delayer for the most part. Iron wire just delays the highest frequencies only (but for 3.5MHz should work, of course), maybe working as an all-pass filter.

@ aleks
You are somewhat nullifying what you have said a couple of pages back.
There is no problem to measure and/or use a delay using a time period. However, when talking about emf speed propagation, the delay measured in time periods with little coils hardly has any meaning. In this aleks you were correct (see your own answer). Don?t just think in pure electronics terms.
A simple point is missed. It is not a delay measured in mks, ms or any other time period. I guess it was just an expression for better understanding from shpeics. If you can measure a delay, it is probably already too late. We are talking about a delay measured in ?. Take a guess.

One rides his bicycle behind another. Both perform the same amount of work, the same weight per unit of distance per unit of time. However, the second one needs significantly less energy spent for it. At electrons or emf propagation speed level, the thing might be much more interesting than just a simple bicycle example.

Kames.


Well, yes, I'm somewhat nullifying what I have said (not much, though, since piezo effect should have much longer delays - hence I've used 'much more realistical' word combination).

These 'delay coils' (including piezo effect based one) are probably working just like low-pass filters inducing some group delay well below the cutoff point. I'm not fighting against the fact of delay, but with the word "delay". It should have been written as "phase shift" at certain frequencies.

By the way, if we consider piezo effect and its acoustic nature (say if it is an air-based piezo effect), 63microseconds equals to 21millimeter space which is pretty OK to consider a broadband delay - not what happens inside the wire. I mean, you can have a broad-band 63musec delay with piezo effect just at the distance of 21millimeter space. This is totally real. Attaining broad-band delay with wire is questionable, and should be considered a phase shift instead.

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« Reply #328 on: March 30, 2008, 09:26:17 PM »
@Bruce

I !00% agree with your belief this the real deal, there are so many things that Spherics posts explain about the original TPU and its method of operation, there are many small details which would be extremely difficult to build into a credible story. The biggest thing for me on this is my intuition is screaming that it 'feels' right.

Those who do not agree should sit back and wait... if it does not work then you can say 'told you so' and everything will move on, but I don't think that going to happen. Tesla was a builder and he built, if he had just theorised or followed convention he would not have achieved anything. We know all the current theorys are incorrect, and that is demonstrated adequately by 10 years of replication effort, where much has been learnt but the goal has not been reached. Theories are convenient abstractions, but abstractions are not things, and cannot capture every detail because they are vast simplifications. As the old Zen saying goes 'A finger pointing at the Moon is not the Moon'.

Lets not kill of this effort with though experiments, Tesla would not have. An Einstein was much a fan or any theory including his own.

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« Reply #329 on: March 30, 2008, 09:47:21 PM »
Lets not kill of this effort with though experiments, Tesla would not have. An Einstein was much a fan or any theory including his own.
The only thing I'd like to justify is the NMR of iron and how much "ambient" it is. Well, normal magnetic field measurements give low values which should equate to measurements of low-passed signal. Such approach cannot detect energy at higher frequencies. OK, let's pretend Earth produces a lot of magnetic field oscillations at NMR frequency of iron (due to its iron core). What kind of "directionality" these oscillations have? In my opinion NMR oscillation should be ambient since atoms all "resonate" being at different and changing positions within the atomic lattice. If this is the case then a "non-linear" magnetic flux tapper (mentioned in some post on this forum) would be possible as the ambient resonance is not a DC field. So, let's hope this is the real source of energy. I would be pretty unhappy if my hypothesis of nuclear disintegration happening in TPU proves to be correct (though, the Hutchinson effect should be it I think, as it causes anti-gravity field, but this effect is probably unrelated to SM's TPU at all).

Note that by "ambient" I mean a DC field with an oscillating intensity in all points of space this field occupies. So, the simplest "test deck" would be creating an oscillating DC magnetic field and trying to tap energy out of it. And so, if you succeed at tapping enough energy with some resonator device, you'll be able to tap Earth's magnetic energy if tuned to the iron's NMR frequency. Well, these are just speculations.
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