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Author Topic: Complete information on working SM style device.  (Read 295344 times)

Offline Bruce_TPU

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #300 on: March 30, 2008, 04:40:10 AM »
Hey Guys,

PLEASE reread Spherics first post.  (As a matter of fact, all of them!)  Many of you are confusing his design with SM's early TPU.  Spherics design DOES NOT call for iron nor any delay.  Simply the correct arrangement of coils pulsed with the correct timing and the correct NMR of FE harmonics.

SM's early TPU has the iron delay coil.  PLEASE UNDERSTAND...You want the "COMP field" produced from the bifilar wound coil on SM's early version.  This is a LARGER magnetic field.  This is pulsed in rotation, with the magnetic north of each "Kick Coil" facing the collectors.  I spent hours drawing it up for you all, using Spherics description.  It is simple to build. 

@ Rosphere
You may be right, but the man says 30 degrees, and made it boldfaced.  You might try it his way first.

@ ALL
I know and understand that human nature is to change things, and to try to "improve" on them before you even have a working model.  As usual, I would say to "simply follow the man's directions and not change a thing!"

If you want to "experiment" with something, try using different size coils and wire since that is the only thing missing.

For SM's early TPU, use insulated iron for the delay coil like the man said.  Get it working as shown in my diagram, and then you can start changing things up.

Gauss strength of the comp field.  Huge magnetic wave.  Rotate the magnetic field at high speed.  It is all about the coils and their interactions with one another. 

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #301 on: March 30, 2008, 05:32:33 AM »
Hey Guys,

PLEASE reread Spherics first post.  (As a matter of fact, all of them!)  Many of you are confusing his design with SM's early TPU.  Spherics design DOES NOT call for iron nor any delay.  Simply the correct arrangement of coils pulsed with the correct timing and the correct NMR of FE harmonics.

SM's early TPU has the iron delay coil.  PLEASE UNDERSTAND...You want the "COMP field" produced from the bifilar wound coil on SM's early version.  This is a LARGER magnetic field.  This is pulsed in rotation, with the magnetic north of each "Kick Coil" facing the collectors.  I spent hours drawing it up for you all, using Spherics description.  It is simple to build. 

@ Rosphere
You may be right, but the man says 30 degrees, and made it boldfaced.  You might try it his way first.

@ ALL
I know and understand that human nature is to change things, and to try to "improve" on them before you even have a working model.  As usual, I would say to "simply follow the man's directions and not change a thing!"

If you want to "experiment" with something, try using different size coils and wire since that is the only thing missing.

For SM's early TPU, use insulated iron for the delay coil like the man said.  Get it working as shown in my diagram, and then you can start changing things up.

Gauss strength of the comp field.  Huge magnetic wave.  Rotate the magnetic field at high speed.  It is all about the coils and their interactions with one another. 

Cheers,

Bruce

I second that motion. You guys can actually manage to confuse somebody that is trying to follow this verbatim. By the time they get to the end of thread, their has been too much additive synthesis to the original idea. Additional points that backup spherics posts are great as they help understand the same concept from multiple perspectives. But I have heard the man practically scream NO IRON ANYWHERE more than once and you guys are building iron coils? wtfita? I think you circuit building guys have too many options to play with and gets lost in the complicated translation.

FWIW. I am going to approach this from a musical point of view.  This gives me full control over frequency and phase as well as on the fly adjustments. I only have two channels to work with now so I will have to daisy chain an additional card before I can fire 4 coils up. As far as watts...Why in the world can't you just use a DC car audio amplifier? They're perfect...4 channels...the one I have is 2500 Watts. If you need more juice, just turn up the boost. HPF and LPFs built in as well. Maybe quit trying to build the blender everytime you want to try a new cocktail mix and just go buy a blender. If anyone has the means to try an audio approach, I have a nice simple phase adjuster as a dx/vst plugin as well as several software synths with square wave generators built in.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #302 on: March 30, 2008, 05:47:39 AM »
Music is a good approach but it will give you an upper limit of 20khz




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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #302 on: March 30, 2008, 05:47:39 AM »
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #303 on: March 30, 2008, 05:50:07 AM »
Bruce,  thanks for the effort in drawing that diagram, but I don't see any resemblance to SM's first TPU.  In fact I don't think we should even bring up the name of Steven Mark on anything that is presented in this thread.  Spherics ideas are perhaps related to SM by the word ROTATE only, but then so are motors and wheels.

Then I have to wonder at this statement, just like poynt99 did:
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...Simply the correct arrangement of coils pulsed with the correct timing and the correct NMR of FE harmonics..

Why are we pulsing at NMR harmonics for Iron  (FE), if we use no iron in the design? Spherics said that originally, I know.  like tao quoted:

 
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The NMR is directly linked to this geometric spacing and hence to the resonant frequency of the ether.

This spherics guy seems to think NMR is based on geometry and spacing of atoms etc, and this shows how much he knows.   Perhaps he can answer the question why the NMR frequency is not FIXED and changes with a BIAS H field, or did he even know that.


Then spherics HINTS that SM discovered his "KICK" by playing with delay lines and bifilar speaker coils, well,  this  conflicts with what SM says himself, who's right?

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I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers...   ..
except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase.....

Just like GK said,  the closer we get the louder the noise....... 

EM
« Last Edit: March 30, 2008, 06:18:32 AM by EMdevices »

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #304 on: March 30, 2008, 06:04:15 AM »
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Many of you are confusing his design with SM's early TPU.

Actually, spherics is confusing his own design with SM's designs.

SM DOES NOT configure his kicker coils in the tetrahedral fashion spherics describes for his own design....period!

@ Bruce,

Which version are you trying to depict with your drawing, SM's or spherics'?

spherics' design doesn't use the iron delay line, and SM's coils are not configured that way, so I would say you might want to go back and read both SM's and spherics' posts. In both cases, your drawing would be in error.

btw, spherics is the one that departed from SM's design, and we are trying to understand it from his point of view, not change it.

@ EM,

I think spherics has hit on several key points of great value, aside from rotation, but I agree that there are too many inconsistencies to drop everything and start building it until several points are clarified.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #305 on: March 30, 2008, 06:15:06 AM »
the only thing that intreagues me about spherics is that he brought some information about SM, even though it doesn't fit and his theory is flawed in my opinion.

This makes me wonder, is he an old timer that did what we are doing now,  back in the 90's?   and now he came back due to the intensity of this effort and Jack coming forward?  I think he and Jack know each other and previously interacted on a forum.

I think this might be the explanation,  these are old timers  (and even Jack claimed he disclosed some info at Kelly website before)  and it's interesting to see what kind of misinformation about SM, was flowing around back then.   Where did they get it?

EM

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #306 on: March 30, 2008, 06:18:51 AM »
@ Rosphere
You may be right, but the man says 30 degrees, and made it boldfaced.  You might try it his way first.

@Bruce_TPU,

There is only one reference to the 30 degrees upwards angle.  (It may be emboldened because he wanted to emphasize the upward angle as it follows the text which states that the three coils are not on a horizontal plane.)

However, a reexamination of spherics first post shows eight text references and four links to the hexagonal packing tetrahedron which requires a 19.5 degree upwards angle.

There is an obvious discrepancy here: if the correct upwards angle is indeed 30 degrees then all of the other references to the HSP tetrahedron are incorrect. I believe that it is much more likely that the man made one mistake instead of twelve mistakes.  Or, he may be using an irregular tetrahedron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-packing

http://cst-www.nrl.navy.mil/lattice/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXO7-Lajxdg

http://www.everyscience.com/Chemistry/Inorganic/Ionic_Solids/a.1296.php

...To resonate with the ether a specific pattern is required. The spherical propagation of waves means that spherical packing dictates the precise location of electromagnet coils for optimum control. Review the files at the start of this posting. Hexagonal spherical packing (HSP) is where you need to focus. Many of you are unwittingly using face centered cubic ( FCC ) arrangement of coils. You will have limited success if your coils are placed according to FCC arrangements.

There is good reason for hexagonal packing as these scientists are beginning to comprehend.
Google the following terms to understand:  iron superconductivity hexagonal packing

All coils need to point to a central 3D location. If you look at the hexagonal packing the most basic arrangement is 4 spheres forming a tetrahedral. Place identical coils orientated so that the poles point to the dead center of the tetrahedral. You should imagine 3 spheres with one sphere on top. The top coil (coil A) will be pointing downwards and the other 3 coils (X,Y,Z) will be pointing to wards the center BUT note the three coils will not be in a horizontal plane; they will be pointing 30 degrees upwards...  If you set up according to hexagonal packing all coils are equidistant from each other and pointing towards a common center...

So, I first plan to use the pure tetrahedron with its 19.5 degree upwards angle.  I am also considering the design of a support structure with a potential future rework in mind so that I can simply insert three 10.5 degree wedges to get to the 30 degree upward angle, (and the vertically stretched irregular tetrahedron.)

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #307 on: March 30, 2008, 06:25:05 AM »
Music is a good approach but it will give you an upper limit of 20khz
I can at least go as high as 6 Mhz ...effectively higher by doubling the octaves. 20Khz is just the end of the audible range...it doesn't just "stop" there.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #308 on: March 30, 2008, 06:27:00 AM »
@Rosphere

I think your exploration of 3D geometry modeling is excellent.  I will mention what I know regarding hexagonal close packing and tetrahedrons...


DNA is a charged molecule.  It is electronegative and repels itself.  (yes I am going somewhere with this!)   In bacteriophage T4, the well known virus that looks like a little spider, DNA follows hexagonal close packing, because it minimizes the potential energy of the DNA inside an icosohedron. The DNA is "pressurized" inside the virus capsid and configures itself into spiral crystal geometries.

(http://www.rkm.com.au/VIRUS/BACTERIOPHAGE/bacteriophage-T4-400.jpg)

(http://www.bact.wisc.edu/themicrobialworld/Viruses4.jpg)

(http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/resources/oceanography-book/Images/BacteriophageCartoon.jpg)
The shape of the viral capsid is ICOSOHEDRAL.  I don't know if this helps you, but it seems to me it's related to a tetrahedron.


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Snub_tetrahedron.png/180px-Snub_tetrahedron.png)
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Icosahedron with triangles colored to show construction as a snub tetrahedron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icosohedron


Anyway, I hope this helps and is not too off-topic; I definitely support the 3D geometry modelling.   Nature has built in geometries.


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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #309 on: March 30, 2008, 06:34:23 AM »
konduct:  I've got a juno 106 synth but it don't go higher than about 22khz...how are you planning on doing the frequency doubling?   

Thanks

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #310 on: March 30, 2008, 06:40:58 AM »
You guys have nerve to say you're getting closer. You mean that since someone from outside your circle gave you something somewhat concrete to go on? How is that or the resulting interest of others noise? Because it seems to be actually going somewhere, you deem yourself the masters and the newcomers "noise"? Please tell me I'm reading this wrong? I know everyone here has been working hard on this and I'm sure everyone wants to be the first to harness it. Just watch the egos...it's always been man's downfall. If someone makes a mistake...try and help them correct it. Like the 19.5 degree thing. I think he wants to use that because of the hyperdimensional physics relationship, but that only has to do with the points of tetraheron and where they line up on a sphere...19.5 has nothing to do with the internal angles.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #311 on: March 30, 2008, 06:46:43 AM »
konduct:  I've got a juno 106 synth but it don't go higher than about 22khz...how are you planning on doing the frequency doubling?   

Thanks
FX...VST pitchshifter that double whatever the input is frequency is...basically octaves. Run one into another and you can go as high as you want in theory...although actual speakers don't like it too much. I am planning on using all digital generators and fx and running the output into a car audio amp. Send each of four total channels through its own channel on the amp so it a pure unmixed signal from start to end. That's why I need two more channels of output from the generators. I've got everything else I need though.

Juno eh? Good stuff. I've got a couple Tritons and a JV 2080 plus an arsenal of software synths.

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #312 on: March 30, 2008, 07:57:56 AM »
edit 3:
Initially I had posted an image here, which I thought would be helpful to find the correct coil arrangement.
But I then realized that it will just add to the confusion.
The correct way is to stick to spherics' original description
All coils need to point to a central 3D location. If you look at the hexagonal packing the most basic arrangement is 4 spheres forming a tetrahedral. Place identical coils orientated so that the poles point to the dead center of the tetrahedral. You should imagine 3 spheres with one sphere on top. The top coil (coil A) will be pointing downwards and the other 3 coils (X,Y,Z) will be pointing to wards the center BUT note the three coils will not be in a horizontal plane; they will be pointing 30 degrees upwards.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2008, 05:16:12 PM by Gustav22 »

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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #313 on: March 30, 2008, 08:40:00 AM »
Gustav , I agreed with what you posted! 


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Re: Complete information on working SM style device.
« Reply #314 on: March 30, 2008, 09:34:23 AM »
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Gustav , I agreed with what you posted! 
Thanks for your support Feynman, but the explanation and image I had originally posted above were not correct, as the image I had made did not lend support to a 30? setup.

I understand Rosphere's problem, as from this image
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Tetrahedral-angle-3D-balls.png
the 19.5? clearly seem to be the correct value.

Yet spherics states 30?.
How come?
Why did he not tilt X,Y,Z at 19.5? which would be the obvious angle, but mounts them at a steeper angle like 30??
Because if he would fix them at 19.5? the collector torroid would get in the way, i.e. the torroid would partly block the line of sight between the 3 base coils and the center. So he has to tilt X,Yand Z steeper, in order to fire the pulses through the doughnut hole into the center.

As the collector torroid is not allowed to "overlap", see spherics' 1st posting.
With X,Y,Z mounted at 19.5? a collector torroid of the correct dimensions as specified by spherics would overlap into the firing line.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2008, 08:23:14 PM by Gustav22 »

 

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