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Author Topic: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(  (Read 31987 times)

Offline capacitor70

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2008, 02:17:25 PM »
just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(

1. VCR Motor bearings, 3 inch wheel diameter.
2. CD player lence magnets. total 6 magnets. Easy to obtain and much power full in small size, 7mm X 7mm X 1mm :o
3. 32 turns coil. ???
4. single Ferrite core. 8 mm core diameter. ???
5. Power supply 12V and 5V 5Amps.
6. Transistor TIP122. ???
7. Diode 1N4007 also tried with 1N4148.

1. How much turns require to start the motor ?
2. Darlington paire transistor is suitable?
3. Pulse pick up coil gives only 0.01V AC max when rotor is rotated. I think less voltage becouse of less number of turns.
    is this the reason motor is not rotating?
4. Ferrite core is suitable ? ?

Tried with reed relay, it is burned (by mistake), and it requires very close distance to operate.
 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2008, 02:59:16 PM »
just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(

1. VCR Motor bearings, 3 inch wheel diameter.
2. CD player lence magnets. total 6 magnets. Easy to obtain and much power full in small size, 7mm X 7mm X 1mm :o
3. 32 turns coil. ???
4. single Ferrite core. 8 mm core diameter. ???
5. Power supply 12V and 5V 5Amps.
6. Transistor TIP122. ???
7. Diode 1N4007 also tried with 1N4148.

1. How much turns require to start the motor ?
2. Darlington paire transistor is suitable?
3. Pulse pick up coil gives only 0.01V AC max when rotor is rotated. I think less voltage becouse of less number of turns.
    is this the reason motor is not rotating?
4. Ferrite core is suitable ? ?

Tried with reed relay, it is burned (by mistake), and it requires very close distance to operate.
 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???


hi there

2. Are the CD Player magnets neodym, ceramic....?
3. 32 turns? That's too little I think, my bifilar coil has around 1000 windings.
4. Not sure about ferrite core, I have thin welding rods packed together.
5. I use 12V, when I first used 6V it was not enough. And ye 5 amps that's more then enough for a small setup I think.
6. Not sure about the TIP122 transistor, I use 2N3055
7. I use only 1N4007 diodes in my setup.

1. You mean how hard do you need to spin it? My rotor needs a light spin and it starts to pick up speed by itself.
2. I'm not sure if a Darlington is needed in this simple setup.
3. By looking at your pictures I see that your coil is not installed, what is the distance between the core of the coil and the magnets ?
4. I'm not sure.

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2008, 04:54:34 PM »
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2. Are the CD Player magnets neodym, ceramic....?   
 Dont Know, But it satisfy this condition  Neodymium magnets are very strong in comparison to their mass, but are also mechanically fragile. Some steel kind of coting is there on outside and inside very very fragile. black,gray color.

3. 32 turns? That's too little I think, my bifilar coil has around 1000 windings.
 I will try this soon

4. Not sure about ferrite core, I have thin welding rods packed together.
  When I have pulsed coil by hands wheel spins, current is too much...

1. You mean how hard do you need to spin it? My rotor needs a light spin and it starts to pick up speed by itself.    Without coil once weel is spin it rotatels at least 50 time, bearings are somooth

3. By looking at your pictures I see that your coil is not installed, what is the distance between the core of the coil and the magnets ?  I am holding coil in hands, first trial run, distance can be adjested..

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
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Offline prometei

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2008, 08:27:55 PM »

3. 32 turns? That's too little I think, my bifilar coil has around 1000 windings.
 I will try this soon

I think that's the main problem. I have not seen any SSG with less than 450 windings. Most people recommend more than 850 windings.

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2008, 08:51:35 PM »
Hey, seems about right time to chime in... ;)

What kind of wire are you guys using for the coil?

I tried to make an electromagnet (to just get my first motor to spin) and I used 26awg (27swg) enameled copper wire , 350' onto a ferrite core.  The resistance I measured was 20ohms.  But when I run 12V through this , there is no magnetic field.  The copper wire just gets hot.  Any ideas?

Here is a picture of my elektromagnet:
(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2963/elektrolg7.jpg)

Thanks

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
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Offline capacitor70

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2008, 04:37:32 AM »
I tried to make an electromagnet (to just get my first motor to spin) and I used 26awg (27swg) enameled copper wire , 350' onto a ferrite core.  The resistance I measured was 20ohms.  But when I run 12V through this , there is no magnetic field.  The copper wire just gets hot.  Any ideas?

Coil works as electromagnet without problem, Similar type like yours with ferite core and large number of turns (more than 200 Turns)

Coil shows some times N pole, When connected to DC, some times it atracts the magnet S pole. with Iron or ferrite core.  ??? ???

Soon, I will make 1000 turns bifilar coil...

Check This link http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/atep1.htm
« Last Edit: April 28, 2008, 01:54:11 PM by capacitor70 »

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2008, 05:54:54 AM »
 ;D ;D :D  Motor is Running, with two relay coils,  

current taken is 2 to 3mAmps at 12Volts

With relay coil it gives 2 to 3V for transistor drive.
See videos here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg04c_H5wdY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCKMHHvgmCU
« Last Edit: April 29, 2008, 06:27:11 AM by capacitor70 »

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2014, 03:38:10 AM »
Hello all,
Another new builder here that was amazed by the possibilities of the SG and SSG. I have tried after watching many videos and reading countless forums to build my own monopole as close to possible to posted bedini schematics on a vcr head roter. The exception is that I dont have space and cash at this time for the actual bicycle wheel kit and all parts listed aren't readily available. Ok for the lack of schematic knowledge I have I am slowly learning them but from the many I have researched they are all basically the same as this YT video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttY7yLXZSpo.

My build is around 140 turns using 40 feet of 22-gauge run wire and 40 feet of 26-gauge trigger wire on bifilar on same spool it came from in radio shack 315' magnet wire set http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2036277
The magnet setup I have tried on hard drive using the curved neo's found inside of the hard drive using 1 epoxied on each side of disk as well as another setup consisting of vcr head with a cd-disc glued to top with 4 1" rectangle magnets from radio shack http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...=2103429spaced evenly like a + and a third setup on another vcr head with 4 tiny button neo's http://www.harborfreight.com/10-piec...ets-67488.html that i figured from the compass method have a north field while laying flat depending on which way it is filpped also in a + configuration.
Ok now free spin of the hard drive rotor is around 20-30 sec while both vcr head rotors will spin for 60-90 sec.
Here is where you guys are going to yell at me. Being on a budget and radio shack not having in stock the 3055 transistor I bought a combo pack for joule thief build consisting of 5 each 2n222a, 2n3904, and 2n4401. http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062586. figuring this could be my main mistake can anyone tell me why these wouldnt work on a small scale such as recharging rechargable batteries aa, aaa, 9v with 6.2v lantern battery as power source or I have various cell phone wall worts that may also be power source depending on reccomendations.
The diodes are another part that I couldn't replicate but I think should still work. I did get the 4001 right but radio shack didn't have the 4007 in stock so I got a 4005 http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2049728 instead to go in its place.
Another scolding point is I can't find a ne-2 neon anywhere local so I am trying a 5v led just to see if I am getting a spike from the Emitter to Collector with charge battery disconnected. The LED is lit seemingly from the power source. I then attached DMM to those leads and nothing happens when I pass a magnet by the coil at any distance, it stays same voltage as power source. I have tested the coil for shorts used wire clothes hanger core and air core and I get nothing either way. I have set my circuit up according to all schematics that seem to be the same as youtube video and forums that I have read and I can't figure out where my problem is. If this isn't enough info I can take a picture of my set-up and post it here. Let me know any suggestions please.

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2014, 02:27:51 PM »
You are going to need an ne2 neon bulb, if you don't have it just eliminate it (not a great idea long term).
There are those very small inexpensive neon nightlights that are just a 47K or 98K resistors in series
with a ne2 bulb. Carefully cut the plasic off the bulb, then cut the ballast resistor off the
the plug lead. *LEDS will not function correclty for the ne2 in the monopole circuit*


Just a hint, The SGS motor circuit was designed to minimize component count, therefore
the correct functioning of the circuit *depends on parameters of the active transistor*. It may
be possible to add components to adjust parameters of the others, but the easiest thing is to get
a 2n3055 or an NJE direct equivalent. Advance Electronics would be a good source
or any local TV electronics repair shop should have one.


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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2014, 02:52:55 PM »
I understand the need for the neon bulb in the larger 12 volt applications but again I am going for smaller scale if possible because of the parts I have on hand. I was figuring if I am only trying to charge 1.5 volts max a 3-6 volt led in plave of the ne-2 lamp may be sufficient but regardless of that I still can't get  said 6 volt neon to light up when connected to emitter and base. I can't understand how soo many people are running monopole coils as small as a fingernail and getting enough voltage to charge 12volt batteries and still getting at least 65volt BEMF. I dont know if my transistors are having a negative effect or my coil just isn't big enough though it should be plenty big to give me at least something when passing a magnet by it.

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2014, 04:52:47 PM »
Yes, please post a photo of your setup!

The Bedini motor system works on relatively high-voltage spikes. Simply using smaller transistors and less wire and LEDs instead of neons... you are not making a Bedini motor any more.

The 2n3055 is really cheap and is the recommended transistor to use. Some other transistors that you can find in old CRT TV circuit boards are also good to use, but you should be able to get hold of some 2n3055s easily enough, they are very common. The transistors in your JT kit won't handle the high voltage spikes that are fundamental to the Bedini system, although the metal-can 2n2222a transistor can work well in high-current JTs with spikes of 50 or 60 volts. Any reasonable Bedini rotor-coil system will be making spikes in the hundreds of volts, though, so the smaller transistors don't have a hope of surviving. Not all 2n3055s are created equal, either.... try to find name-branded ones, not generic unlabelled Chinese fakes. The neon is there as a kind of "90 volt fuse" that fires when the spike from the coil exceeds its threshold voltage, and this protects the transistor from these HV spikes. So you can see that an LED would not do the same thing, once you got the coil making the spikes the LED would just fail open and then the transistor would probably die in short order. No pun intended.

I know you are getting tired of watching videos.... especially mine.... but here's how I made my first Bedini monopole motor/charger, when I was helping someone else get started. (If you search this forum you might find that old thread... we finally got his working.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKN0tSLqIYc

There is a better way, IMHO, to make "bedini-style" pulse motors, though, that MileHigh first suggested. We call it the MHOP, and it does everything any Bedini motor does, in terms of charging external caps or batteries, etc. but it's a little more complicated electronics project, probably not for raw beginners, although it's really not that bad.

ETA: The 1n400x rectifier diodes are tough little buggers. The 1n4005 is fine to use instead of the 4007, even though you can get spikes that exceed its voltage rating, it generally can take it since the spikes are so short duration.

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2014, 05:14:00 PM »
Ah... I see in the photo up above your post that the builder is using a lower-voltage system with a TIP122 Darlington transistor. My supplier sells these for 75 cents each, they are common as dirt! And the builder uses a LED and capacitor in place of the neon in the higher voltage system. You might consider trying the circuit he used up above.

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2014, 05:10:40 PM »
Thanks for the suggestion tinsel. I have since bought a 2n3055 and a TIP31 and still can't get anything spinning but did finally get around 20 Milliamps output spinning by hand. I also scrapped a magnetic window alarm for a reed switch thinking that could be the culprit and still no results. I have since then re-engaged joule thief and ran across the re-emf circuit by Rene. It seems to be doing what I was looking for as far as charging and desulfating same as bedini circuit and with less materials and space. So again thanks for the input and I enjoy your videos.

 

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