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Author Topic: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(  (Read 31845 times)

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2008, 10:10:04 PM »

@Bourne

Double staking the magnets must improve the 'efficiency' (COP) of the SSG but is not always essential to get it 'turning'.
I have 2 others SSGs with 'single' magnets :



Hi NerzhDishual

My understanding is this; the magnets are just the 'finger' that flicks the switch. The magnets field has to be strong enough to energise the trigger coil to turn on the transistor. On doing so the coils do their thing which, in turn, moves the wheel to repeat the process.

The circuit will never have a COP >1 because its just a simple circuit! The magic comes from the effect it has on the Lead Acid Battery. Once the batteries have been conditioned, and this takes literally months of charging and discharging, continuously without breaks, you should have a system that can charge at a rate of 1 to 1. Once this is achieved the "free energy" comes from the mechanical movement of the wheel. If this can be used to run a generator then you have "free" electricity! Yipee!

I have simplified that to some degree but I think you know what I mean.

The circuit diagram presented on the Peswiki page, posted above by prometei is NEVER going to pump out unlimited amounts of free energy but it is a good learning tool to understand the process

"Rain water is free but you still have to purchase a bucket to catch it in"

@ prometei

Rectangle magnets, definitely rectangle magnets. Bigger the better!

Watch the "Energy from the Vacuum" series particularly the Bedini film you will learn much. http://www.energyfromthevacuum.com/

Also, get this book http://www.cheniere.org/books/FEG/index.html

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2008, 11:44:36 PM »

Hi Bourne,

Sorry to be succinct but writing in English is laborious for me...

Yes, I see (and agree with) what you mean. In the SSG device the 'magic' (should there be any :)) is in the batteries and not in the circuit.

However, I have the feeble-mindedness to believe that some circuits could be OU (coils, transients, sharp gradients, resonance etc...).

For example:
Free Energy Electronic Circuit ,- Zoltan Szili
http://www.rexresearch.com/szili/szili.htm

http://freenrg.info/Misc/Pretoria_News.pdf
http://freenrg.info/Misc/Quantum.pdf  

http://www.fredericgauthier.com/energie/cuivre.html (In French)

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2008, 11:27:30 PM »
Hey every1! The problem is solved. I should have used 12 volt batteries instead of the 6 volt ones. The 6 volt battery was not enough to get the wheel to spin by itself.
Here is a short video of the test run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_wwRbcJWAo
it is a mess. I'll play around with this setup for a bit and then I'll build another one, properly, with a coil that does not fall apart :)


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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2008, 11:27:30 PM »
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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2008, 11:44:51 PM »
bourne:

Nice machine and great video!  I have been considering making one of these for a while now so I can recondition my cell batteries, and others.  Great information...thank you.

Bill

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2008, 12:28:00 AM »
@ prometei

Well done!   Its always something simple.  Welcome to the club :)

@ Pirate

Thanks!

It will never repair shorted cells in batteries but it will bring back to life batteries that can't be charged with a 'normal' charger. Dive in, you'll love it!

@ everyone

Unfortunately the http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/ group has been disbanded. I think it was a combination of the moderator giving up and Mr J Bedini getting a hard time from some of the members  :'(
That's like punching your teacher for telling you something you didn't know. "mental-cakes"

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2008, 08:36:34 PM »
hey everybody

I've gathered all the parts together and assembled them into a "compact" unit. :)

How do you guys measure the voltages, when?  I've seen many videos on youtube where the voltage is measured directly from the batteries while they are hooked up to the charger while it is running.  I did tests while the motor was running, right away after the motor was stopped and the batteries disconnected from the circuit and 10 minutes later with the batteries still disconnected. The measurements differ. Which readings should one use for statistical purposes?

also, how does one use the little (25mA min) light bulb in order to find the sweet spot ? I don't have a light bulb in the circuit so I just adjust the variable resistor until I get

1. max RPM with min current or
2. loudest clicking with least amount of current

I'm not really sure if these are the correct ways for adjusting the circuit

(http://infinaut.front.ru/bedini/bedini%20charger%202008%20March%20front%20view.JPG)

(http://infinaut.front.ru/bedini/bedini%20charger%202008%20March%20top%20view.jpg)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts9JhjM5tW4


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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2008, 10:39:14 PM »
@ Bourne:

I went back and watched the trailers for the Energy from the vacuum series on the link you posted.  This is great stuff.  Do you know anywhere on the web I might be able to view the entire videos without purchase?  I know, they need the money for research, but I can't afford them right now but would love to see them.  Thanks.

Bill

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2008, 01:38:06 AM »

Hi prometei  Looks good!

You will find the battery voltage drops a little after charging, that's normal. Think of it like a gas pressure in a balloon, the battery being the balloon and your charger being the pump. When you disconnect your 'pump' some of the 'gas' leaks out and continues to leak out over time.
Mr J Bedini always said it is better to put a load on the charged batteries straight away. It is not like a 'normal' battery charger as you will learn!
 If your worried about what voltage to note down use them all. I would suggest noting a 'running' voltage, a 'stopped' voltage and an 'after 5 minute rest' voltage you might see some improvements (battery conditioning) if you make a large spread-sheet. Don't bother trying to measure current flow out of your charger, it doesn't use current to charge your batteries. But 'do' measure current out of your charged batteries when under load testing

Its almost an instinct you have to develop when tuning your machine. This is because every machine is different. The way I tuned mine was to test every 10 ohms of base resistance from 1000ohms down to 150ohms  :o  I charged the battery for half an hour then timed the discharge down to a set voltage value i.e. 12.40volts. Yes, it took ages and ages (2 weeks I think!). I have a massive spread-sheet showing all the times and voltage values etc. but it would be meaningless to anyone with a different set-up.
The general idea is to get the lowest current draw from your run battery with the best/highest charge appearing in your charge battery.
My final conclusion for my machine was 540ohms base resistance (yours WILL be different). Then when you have found your 'sweet spot' swap your potentiometer for fixed value resistors.

Like I said, its almost an instinct you have to develop based on your set-up. There is no easy way, just hard work.

Point one is basically the idea, fastest RPM with lowest current draw.
I don't understand your point 2 "loudest clicking with least amount of current" ?? What is clicking?

One other thing; try and use large diameter 'fixed' or crimped leads for your batteries.

peace!


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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2008, 01:54:17 AM »
@ Bourne:

Thanks.  I found them here and just watched part 1.  Amazing and very well done documentary.  This link requires the free VEOH player...very good resolution.

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v6261554PzpfRK82

Bill

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2008, 02:25:51 AM »
You will find the battery voltage drops a little after charging, that's normal.

Yes, the voltage of the primary battery drops while the voltage of the charging battery actually increases, that happens a couple of minutes after I disconnect the batteries from the circuit.


I don't understand your point 2 "loudest clicking with least amount of current" ?? What is clicking?

Well I've meant this buzzing, ringing sound,  kinda like very very vast clicking, it starts slow but as the rotor speed increases you can't tell the clicks apart anymore. If I increase the resistance of the potentiometer the sound starts to faint.


I'm doing charge discharge testing now. I've got two 12 volt 3.4 Ah C-20 batteries and I'm using 160 mA fans to discharge them, would it be ok to use something like a 300-400 mA bulb?, that's higher then the c20 rating of these batteries.

ciao!
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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2008, 05:35:59 AM »
Here is the link to part two of Energy from the vacuum.  Great coverage on Bedini.  I am glad I watched both 2 hours parts.  I learned a lot more about Bedini's work and it is great.  I am going to begin work on one tonight. Thanks again.

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v6261564q8pAYnjY



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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2008, 06:08:44 AM »
also, how does one use the little (25mA min) light bulb in order to find the sweet spot ? I don't have a light bulb in the circuit so I just adjust the variable resistor until I get...

i put 25mA bulb in series with the base resistor/pot and i put a matching bulb as the load instead of a battery. you can skip the bulb in series with the base resistor but i liked to see what was happening on both ends. adjust your pot till you get the really bright flashes on the bulb connected to the output. you will know when you hit it, it will be much brighter. the recommendation on a higher wattage pot is sound. you will burn the lil one up.

the buzzing/ringing is resonance, glad you got it running!


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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2008, 01:16:57 PM »
hey WilbyInebriated thaks 4 yo input
 gonna go get me some of them little light bulbs and them higher wattage pots, by the way how many watts minimum  should I look for?


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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2008, 04:57:44 AM »
couple watts should do it. we scavenged some lil ones out of a video converter box that a friend offered for parts and they burned up quick, but i was messing around putting all sorts of strange loads on the charge end also. i would figure out what your sweet spot resistance is and then use hardwired resistors. your sweet spot shouldn't change unless you change coils or magnet arrangement.

if you have any DC auto test lights you can use those for the bulbs on the resistor and charge, they wont light as bright as the lil 25mA bulbs do but will work in a pinch

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2008, 07:14:10 AM »
@ All:

I am gathering my components and can not wait to build.  Thank you all for all of the great info and links.

Bill

 

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